Boosting participation and community in Apache Labs?

2010-07-22 Thread Shane Curcuru

I was just wondering...

The Labs project (a place where any committer can starup their own 
independent mini-project to work on, potentially with other 
committers) has been awfully quiet lately.


I was wondering: is doing an article or FAQ or some sort of mentor 
outreach within ComDev a good way to increase the sense of community 
within Labs?


While there are plenty of free places to get SVN/CVS/git hosting for 
individuals, using Labs by committers gives them some visibility and the 
chance to collaborate safely with other committers.  It feels like with 
the breadth of committers we currently have that there'd be more sense 
of community and interaction within Labs.


Is this something comdev might have ideas about (by publicising to 
committers or getting mentors to talk it up, or whatever)?  Or am I just 
having some wishful thinking?


- Shane


Re: Boosting participation and community in Apache Labs?

2010-07-22 Thread Ross Gardler

On 21/07/2010 19:33, Shane Curcuru wrote:

I was just wondering...

The Labs project (a place where any committer can starup their own
independent mini-project to work on, potentially with other
committers) has been awfully quiet lately.

I was wondering: is doing an article or FAQ or some sort of mentor
outreach within ComDev a good way to increase the sense of community
within Labs?


Labs was specifically created as an infrastructure for collaboration. 
There was never any intention for there to be community:


The aim is to provide the necessary resource to promote and maintain 
the innovative power within the Apache community without the burden of 
community building. [1]



Is this something comdev might have ideas about (by publicising to
committers or getting mentors to talk it up, or whatever)? Or am I just
having some wishful thinking?


I appreciate that community around labs and community around projects in 
labs is potentially two different things. However, I don't see it as the 
role of ComDev to define what community in labs means. I do have 
opinions on the validity of a labs community and would be happy to 
share those with the labs PMC if they care, this mail is written only 
with my ComDev hat on.


With respect to the mentor programme I would be -1 on labs projects 
being engaged in any way. Similarly I would discourage mentors from 
pointing to labs as an example of community development (although as 
volunteers I won't stop them from doing so). This should not reflect on 
labs (which is a valuable project in the ASF) but rather it reflects the 
goal of the mentoring programme. The goal is to teach people about 
community development processes used in TLPs. Since the labs projects 
explicitly ignore that kind of activity I don't see that there is any 
overlap.


Speaking personally, I see labs as outside the current scope of ComDev 
work. Of course, if the labs PMC want to use the ComDev vehicle, or if 
someone in ComDev wants to work with the labs PMC, to do some outreach 
that's a different case.


Ross

[1] http://labs.apache.org/