Re: [ALC] Request to setup ALC in Beijing
Hi, I just create a public editable document for the weekly meeting of ALC Beijing. Please add your name if you want to attend the meeting and feel free to update the agenda. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1mBu5ITy4p6nlv7jdBZ7Um0_zEJdTQso-jmxJ_gggCvQ/edit# Here are the Zoom meeting links for today's meeting. Topic: ALC Beijing Member meeting Time: Feb 27, 2020 09:30 PM Beijing, Shanghai Join Zoom Meeting https://zoom.com.cn/j/848357269 Meeting ID: 848 357 269 One tap mobile +16465588656,,848357269# US (New York) +14086380968,,848357269# US (San Jose) Dial by your location +1 646 558 8656 US (New York) +1 408 638 0968 US (San Jose) Meeting ID: 848 357 269 Find your local number: https://zoom.com.cn/u/feJIm2ZNrv Willem Jiang Twitter: willemjiang Weibo: 姜宁willem On Thu, Feb 27, 2020 at 11:06 AM zhangli...@apache.org < zhangli...@apache.org> wrote: > Do we need a precondition about base on Beijing for Members (or Full > Members)? > > -- > > Liang Zhang (John) > Apache ShardingSphere & Dubbo > > > Willem Jiang 于2020年2月27日周四 上午10:56写道： > >> >> >> On Thu, Feb 27, 2020 at 10:11 AM Sheng Wu >> wrote: >> >>> Hi Hadrian >>> >>> I like this idea. >>> >>> > At least one member of the Steering Committee SHOULD be a member of >>> dev@community.a.o. >>> This means a committer of community.a.o, right? >>> >> >> I guess it's just like the incubator.a.o, SHOULD be PMC member of >> community.a.o. >> >> >>> Sheng Wu 吴晟 >>> Twitter, wusheng1108 >>> >>> >>> Hadrian Zbarcea 于2020年2月27日周四 上午4:47写道： >>> Hi Juan Pan, Best is to keep things simple. My suggestion would be to have 3 roles: 1. Associate Members = anybody interested, low barrier to entry 2. Members (or Full Members) = members who are also committers to any ASF project 3. Steering Committee = elected from Full Members with an administrative/organizational role (similar to a PMC); size up to you Associate Members would become Full Members simply by getting the Vote of an ASF community/project, not special procedure would be necessary inside the ALC. At least one member of the Steering Committee SHOULD be a member of dev@community.a.o. You could consider removing Associate Members who were inactive for a significant time, say 2 years. Cheers, Hadrian On Tue, Feb 25, 2020 at 10:19 PM Juan Pan wrote: > Hi > > After reading the thread, two of questions came to my mind, i.e. What > is the Responsibility of ALC member? How to become a ALC member? > Moreover, i guess other ALCs will have the same questions as well. > > From the ALC doc[1], we can learn that the responsibilities of ALC are > mostly related to Apache way, so if the responsibilities of a member is to > help do those things, > that means a member at least has a basic understanding of Apache or > did some contributions? > Secondly, if many of people who may has no understanding of Apache, or > just want to be a member (for interest?), is it ok to include him as a > member? Is there any condition or bar? > > IMO, we may consider nomination and vote for a member. Our upcoming > online meet up is a good chance to discuss. > > See you then. > > [1] > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/COMDEV/Apache+Local+Community+-+ALC#ApacheLocalCommunity-ALC-ALCRolesandResponsibilities > > *Juan Pan (Trista) * > > Senior DBA & PPMC of Apache ShardingSphere(Incubating) > E-mail: panj...@apache.org > > > On 02/26/2020 09:53，Sheng Wu > wrote： > > Hi Hadrian > > So, from what I read in the thread above, I see you all being mostly in > > agreement, but are referring to different (and important) aspects. > > Yes, we are. We could discuss this more on Thur. online meeting. > > Sheng Wu 吴晟 > Twitter, wusheng1108 > > > Hadrian Zbarcea 于2020年2月26日周三 上午12:27写道： > > Most of the disagreements on the ASF lists can be traced back to a > communication issue. I think I understand what Willem proposed and I > agree > on the low bar aspect, but I think the way the term bar is used may > create > unnecessary misunderstandings. > > This being an ASF local community, it must be guided by ASF standards > (let's not call them rules). This is in the interest of advancing the > ASF > values we believe in and proved successful for over 2 decades. From > this > point of view the people who are organizing the community must know > what > they're are doing, Sheng Wu you are correct. There should be a way in > which > the organizers (or members or whatever word we choose to describe that > PMC > member like role) communicate with each other, build consensus and > execute. > If necessary, they are smart and experienced enough to ask
[jira] [Created] (COMDEV-360) RocketMQ Connect Hive
duheng created COMDEV-360: - Summary: RocketMQ Connect Hive Key: COMDEV-360 URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/COMDEV-360 Project: Community Development Issue Type: Wish Components: GSoC/Mentoring ideas Reporter: duheng h3. Content The Hive sink connector allows you to export data from Apache RocketMQ topics to HDFS files in a variety of formats and integrates with Hive to make data immediately available for querying with HiveQL. The connector periodically polls data from RocketMQ and writes them to HDFS. The data from each RocketMQ topic is partitioned by the provided partitioner and divided into chunks. Each chunk of data is represented as an HDFS file with topic, queueName, start and end offsets of this data chunk in the filename. So, in this project, you need to implement a Hive sink connector based on OpenMessaging connect API, and run it on RocketMQ connect runtime. You should learn before applying for this topic Hive/Apache RocketMQ/Apache RocketMQ Connect/ OpenMessaging Connect API h3. Mentor [chenguangsh...@apache.org|mailto:chenguangsh...@apache.org], [vongosl...@apache.org|mailto:vongosl...@apache.org] -- This message was sent by Atlassian Jira (v8.3.4#803005) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org
[jira] [Created] (COMDEV-359) RocketMQ Connect Hbase
duheng created COMDEV-359: - Summary: RocketMQ Connect Hbase Key: COMDEV-359 URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/COMDEV-359 Project: Community Development Issue Type: Wish Components: GSoC/Mentoring ideas Reporter: duheng h3. Content The Hbase sink connector allows moving data from Apache RocketMQ to Hbase. It writes data from a topic in RocketMQ to a table in the specified HBase instance. Auto-creation of tables and the auto-creation of column families are also supported. So, in this project, you need to implement an Hbase sink connector based on OpenMessaging connect API, and will execute on RocketMQ connect runtime. You should learn before applying for this topic Hbase/Apache RocketMQ/Apache RocketMQ Connect/ OpenMessaging Connect API h3. Mentor [chenguangsh...@apache.org|mailto:chenguangsh...@apache.org], [vongosl...@apache.org|mailto:vongosl...@apache.org] -- This message was sent by Atlassian Jira (v8.3.4#803005) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org
Re: [ALC] Request to setup ALC in Beijing
Hi Hadrian, I like your idea, very clear. If possible, we can share this summary to other ALCs or add something to [1] in the future. Cheers. Trista [1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/COMDEV/Apache+Local+Community+-+ALC#ApacheLocalCommunity-ALC-ALCRolesandResponsibilities Juan Pan (Trista) Senior DBA & PPMC of Apache ShardingSphere(Incubating) E-mail: panj...@apache.org On 02/27/2020 04:47，Hadrian Zbarcea wrote： Hi Juan Pan, Best is to keep things simple. My suggestion would be to have 3 roles: 1. Associate Members = anybody interested, low barrier to entry 2. Members (or Full Members) = members who are also committers to any ASF project 3. Steering Committee = elected from Full Members with an administrative/organizational role (similar to a PMC); size up to you Associate Members would become Full Members simply by getting the Vote of an ASF community/project, not special procedure would be necessary inside the ALC. At least one member of the Steering Committee SHOULD be a member of dev@community.a.o. You could consider removing Associate Members who were inactive for a significant time, say 2 years. Cheers, Hadrian On Tue, Feb 25, 2020 at 10:19 PM Juan Pan wrote: Hi After reading the thread, two of questions came to my mind, i.e. What is the Responsibility of ALC member? How to become a ALC member? Moreover, i guess other ALCs will have the same questions as well. From the ALC doc[1], we can learn that the responsibilities of ALC are mostly related to Apache way, so if the responsibilities of a member is to help do those things, that means a member at least has a basic understanding of Apache or did some contributions? Secondly, if many of people who may has no understanding of Apache, or just want to be a member (for interest?), is it ok to include him as a member? Is there any condition or bar? IMO, we may consider nomination and vote for a member. Our upcoming online meet up is a good chance to discuss. See you then. [1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/COMDEV/Apache+Local+Community+-+ALC#ApacheLocalCommunity-ALC-ALCRolesandResponsibilities *Juan Pan (Trista) * Senior DBA & PPMC of Apache ShardingSphere(Incubating) E-mail: panj...@apache.org On 02/26/2020 09:53，Sheng Wu wrote： Hi Hadrian So, from what I read in the thread above, I see you all being mostly in agreement, but are referring to different (and important) aspects. Yes, we are. We could discuss this more on Thur. online meeting. Sheng Wu 吴晟 Twitter, wusheng1108 Hadrian Zbarcea 于2020年2月26日周三 上午12:27写道： Most of the disagreements on the ASF lists can be traced back to a communication issue. I think I understand what Willem proposed and I agree on the low bar aspect, but I think the way the term bar is used may create unnecessary misunderstandings. This being an ASF local community, it must be guided by ASF standards (let's not call them rules). This is in the interest of advancing the ASF values we believe in and proved successful for over 2 decades. From this point of view the people who are organizing the community must know what they're are doing, Sheng Wu you are correct. There should be a way in which the organizers (or members or whatever word we choose to describe that PMC member like role) communicate with each other, build consensus and execute. If necessary, they are smart and experienced enough to ask for advice from an ASF officer or the board, whatever the case may be. On the other side, thinking about the intent behind the ACL Beijing, it is not intended (I assume) as a private club, but a way to promote open source and the ASF. From this point of view the community should be inclusive, there should be a low bar to entry, there should be good and active mentoring of new individuals (whatever we call them if not members) and they should be encouraged, helped, guided, mentored to be successful with open source, ASF projects and the ASF way in particular. Interested and talented individuals will get the karma in ASF projects and will go as far as they want, and will get a better understanding of what the ASF is about. The 'status' in the ACL Beijing will come from their contributions to open source projects, not the fact that they 'joined the club'. And to be clear, contributions don't mean just code contributions. IMHO, it matters less if those who join are called members of the ALC, what matters is what they do and how they are helped to become successful and how they help others to become successful. Actually the term member is a bit overloaded at the ASF as well. I remember many cases when newly voted PMC members thought they are members of the foundation, and it took a bit for them to understand the difference. So, from what I read in the thread above, I see you all being mostly in agreement, but are referring to different (and important) aspects. Best of luck, Hadrian On Tue, Feb 25, 2020 at 8:04 AM Sheng Wu wrote: Hi Willem
Re: [ALC] Request to setup ALC in Beijing
OK, I got SHOULD definition :) Willem Jiang Twitter: willemjiang Weibo: 姜宁willem On Thu, Feb 27, 2020 at 11:04 AM Hadrian Zbarcea wrote: > > > > On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 9:56 PM Willem Jiang wrote: >> >> >> I guess it's just like the incubator.a.o, SHOULD be PMC member of >> community.a.o. > > > https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2119.txt > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org
Re: [ALC] Request to setup ALC in Beijing
Do we need a precondition about base on Beijing for Members (or Full Members)? -- Liang Zhang (John) Apache ShardingSphere & Dubbo Willem Jiang 于2020年2月27日周四 上午10:56写道： > > > On Thu, Feb 27, 2020 at 10:11 AM Sheng Wu > wrote: > >> Hi Hadrian >> >> I like this idea. >> >> > At least one member of the Steering Committee SHOULD be a member of >> dev@community.a.o. >> This means a committer of community.a.o, right? >> > > I guess it's just like the incubator.a.o, SHOULD be PMC member of > community.a.o. > > >> Sheng Wu 吴晟 >> Twitter, wusheng1108 >> >> >> Hadrian Zbarcea 于2020年2月27日周四 上午4:47写道： >> >>> Hi Juan Pan, >>> >>> Best is to keep things simple. My suggestion would be to have 3 roles: >>> >>> 1. Associate Members = anybody interested, low barrier to entry >>> 2. Members (or Full Members) = members who are also committers to any >>> ASF project >>> 3. Steering Committee = elected from Full Members with an >>> administrative/organizational role (similar to a PMC); size up to you >>> >>> Associate Members would become Full Members simply by getting the Vote >>> of an ASF community/project, not special procedure would be necessary >>> inside the ALC. At least one member of the Steering Committee SHOULD be a >>> member of dev@community.a.o. You could consider removing Associate >>> Members who were inactive for a significant time, say 2 years. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Hadrian >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Feb 25, 2020 at 10:19 PM Juan Pan wrote: >>> Hi After reading the thread, two of questions came to my mind, i.e. What is the Responsibility of ALC member? How to become a ALC member? Moreover, i guess other ALCs will have the same questions as well. From the ALC doc[1], we can learn that the responsibilities of ALC are mostly related to Apache way, so if the responsibilities of a member is to help do those things, that means a member at least has a basic understanding of Apache or did some contributions? Secondly, if many of people who may has no understanding of Apache, or just want to be a member (for interest?), is it ok to include him as a member? Is there any condition or bar? IMO, we may consider nomination and vote for a member. Our upcoming online meet up is a good chance to discuss. See you then. [1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/COMDEV/Apache+Local+Community+-+ALC#ApacheLocalCommunity-ALC-ALCRolesandResponsibilities *Juan Pan (Trista) * Senior DBA & PPMC of Apache ShardingSphere(Incubating) E-mail: panj...@apache.org On 02/26/2020 09:53，Sheng Wu wrote： Hi Hadrian So, from what I read in the thread above, I see you all being mostly in agreement, but are referring to different (and important) aspects. Yes, we are. We could discuss this more on Thur. online meeting. Sheng Wu 吴晟 Twitter, wusheng1108 Hadrian Zbarcea 于2020年2月26日周三 上午12:27写道： Most of the disagreements on the ASF lists can be traced back to a communication issue. I think I understand what Willem proposed and I agree on the low bar aspect, but I think the way the term bar is used may create unnecessary misunderstandings. This being an ASF local community, it must be guided by ASF standards (let's not call them rules). This is in the interest of advancing the ASF values we believe in and proved successful for over 2 decades. From this point of view the people who are organizing the community must know what they're are doing, Sheng Wu you are correct. There should be a way in which the organizers (or members or whatever word we choose to describe that PMC member like role) communicate with each other, build consensus and execute. If necessary, they are smart and experienced enough to ask for advice from an ASF officer or the board, whatever the case may be. On the other side, thinking about the intent behind the ACL Beijing, it is not intended (I assume) as a private club, but a way to promote open source and the ASF. From this point of view the community should be inclusive, there should be a low bar to entry, there should be good and active mentoring of new individuals (whatever we call them if not members) and they should be encouraged, helped, guided, mentored to be successful with open source, ASF projects and the ASF way in particular. Interested and talented individuals will get the karma in ASF projects and will go as far as they want, and will get a better understanding of what the ASF is about. The 'status' in the ACL Beijing will come from their contributions to open source projects, not the fact that they 'joined the club'. And to be clear, contributions don't mean just code c
Re: [ALC] Request to setup ALC in Beijing
Hi Hadrian, Thanks for summarize the information. As we just start the ACL Beijing, if we want to define the roles of ACL, we could borrow some ideas of other Apache projects. The basic principle is we need to follow the meritocracy way which is a key point of Apache Way. Let's discuss it in today's meeting. Regards, Willem Jiang Twitter: willemjiang Weibo: 姜宁willem On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 12:27 AM Hadrian Zbarcea wrote: > > Most of the disagreements on the ASF lists can be traced back to a > communication issue. I think I understand what Willem proposed and I agree on > the low bar aspect, but I think the way the term bar is used may create > unnecessary misunderstandings. > > This being an ASF local community, it must be guided by ASF standards (let's > not call them rules). This is in the interest of advancing the ASF values we > believe in and proved successful for over 2 decades. From this point of view > the people who are organizing the community must know what they're are doing, > Sheng Wu you are correct. There should be a way in which the organizers (or > members or whatever word we choose to describe that PMC member like role) > communicate with each other, build consensus and execute. If necessary, they > are smart and experienced enough to ask for advice from an ASF officer or the > board, whatever the case may be. > > On the other side, thinking about the intent behind the ACL Beijing, it is > not intended (I assume) as a private club, but a way to promote open source > and the ASF. From this point of view the community should be inclusive, there > should be a low bar to entry, there should be good and active mentoring of > new individuals (whatever we call them if not members) and they should be > encouraged, helped, guided, mentored to be successful with open source, ASF > projects and the ASF way in particular. Interested and talented individuals > will get the karma in ASF projects and will go as far as they want, and will > get a better understanding of what the ASF is about. The 'status' in the ACL > Beijing will come from their contributions to open source projects, not the > fact that they 'joined the club'. And to be clear, contributions don't mean > just code contributions. > > IMHO, it matters less if those who join are called members of the ALC, what > matters is what they do and how they are helped to become successful and how > they help others to become successful. Actually the term member is a bit > overloaded at the ASF as well. I remember many cases when newly voted PMC > members thought they are members of the foundation, and it took a bit for > them to understand the difference. > > So, from what I read in the thread above, I see you all being mostly in > agreement, but are referring to different (and important) aspects. > > Best of luck, > Hadrian > > > > On Tue, Feb 25, 2020 at 8:04 AM Sheng Wu wrote: >> >> Hi Willem >> >> I am pretty sure this should not be having a bar like a project official >> committer. But no bar? I don't think this is a reasonable idea. >> As ALC we will use the Apache branding and Apache ALC branding, I prefer >> there should be some guides, otherwise, how should we protect it? >> >> And more, how should we make sure, the member could talk about the culture >> of Apache basically correct(I wouldn 't say accurate, but at least, not >> misguide)? -- This question is suitable for JianSheng too. >> How about the next one asking joining the ALC, what should we do? If he is >> also not an Apache committer/PMC/member again >> >> Sheng Wu 吴晟 >> Twitter, wusheng1108 >> >> >> Willem Jiang 于2020年2月25日周二 下午5:18写道： >>> >>> I don't think we need to setup a bar on the people who want to join the ALC. >>> As we are short of hand to advocate the Apache way in China. I think >>> JianSheng can provide a great help for us. >>> ALC is not a Apache project, current we don't have the PMC or >>> Committers, but I think community PMC can give us some guide and >>> advices for it. >>> Current the member of ALC Beijing are the active committers of Apache >>> or other people who interesting about it. We may need to discuss a >>> way how to introduce new blood in a meritocracy way. >>> The main purpose of ALC is building a local community around ASF >>> projects, helping Apache projects cooperate with each other, and let >>> Chinese community to know better about Apache Software Foundation. >>> For the content we provide for the local audience should follow the >>> Apache Way and for the logo and branding related issues we also need >>> the approve from Apache Branding officer. >>> >>> Willem Jiang >>> >>> Twitter: willemjiang >>> Weibo: 姜宁willem >>> >>> On Tue, Feb 25, 2020 at 4:45 PM Sheng Wu wrote: >>> > >>> > Hi Willem >>> > >>> > Is there any invitation rule(guide) about adding a new member? >>> > What is different between a member and not a member? >>> > >>> > To be clear, I am not objecting, I just don't get the context. >>>
Re: [ALC] Request to setup ALC in Beijing
On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 9:56 PM Willem Jiang wrote: > > I guess it's just like the incubator.a.o, SHOULD be PMC member of > community.a.o. > https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2119.txt
Re: [ALC] Request to setup ALC in Beijing
On Thu, Feb 27, 2020 at 10:11 AM Sheng Wu wrote: > Hi Hadrian > > I like this idea. > > > At least one member of the Steering Committee SHOULD be a member of > dev@community.a.o. > This means a committer of community.a.o, right? > I guess it's just like the incubator.a.o, SHOULD be PMC member of community.a.o. > Sheng Wu 吴晟 > Twitter, wusheng1108 > > > Hadrian Zbarcea 于2020年2月27日周四 上午4:47写道： > >> Hi Juan Pan, >> >> Best is to keep things simple. My suggestion would be to have 3 roles: >> >> 1. Associate Members = anybody interested, low barrier to entry >> 2. Members (or Full Members) = members who are also committers to any ASF >> project >> 3. Steering Committee = elected from Full Members with an >> administrative/organizational role (similar to a PMC); size up to you >> >> Associate Members would become Full Members simply by getting the Vote of >> an ASF community/project, not special procedure would be necessary inside >> the ALC. At least one member of the Steering Committee SHOULD be a member >> of dev@community.a.o. You could consider removing Associate Members who >> were inactive for a significant time, say 2 years. >> >> Cheers, >> Hadrian >> >> >> On Tue, Feb 25, 2020 at 10:19 PM Juan Pan wrote: >> >>> Hi >>> >>> After reading the thread, two of questions came to my mind, i.e. What >>> is the Responsibility of ALC member? How to become a ALC member? >>> Moreover, i guess other ALCs will have the same questions as well. >>> >>> From the ALC doc[1], we can learn that the responsibilities of ALC are >>> mostly related to Apache way, so if the responsibilities of a member is to >>> help do those things, >>> that means a member at least has a basic understanding of Apache or did >>> some contributions? >>> Secondly, if many of people who may has no understanding of Apache, or >>> just want to be a member (for interest?), is it ok to include him as a >>> member? Is there any condition or bar? >>> >>> IMO, we may consider nomination and vote for a member. Our upcoming >>> online meet up is a good chance to discuss. >>> >>> See you then. >>> >>> [1] >>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/COMDEV/Apache+Local+Community+-+ALC#ApacheLocalCommunity-ALC-ALCRolesandResponsibilities >>> >>> *Juan Pan (Trista) * >>> >>> Senior DBA & PPMC of Apache ShardingSphere(Incubating) >>> E-mail: panj...@apache.org >>> >>> >>> On 02/26/2020 09:53，Sheng Wu >>> wrote： >>> >>> Hi Hadrian >>> >>> So, from what I read in the thread above, I see you all being mostly in >>> >>> agreement, but are referring to different (and important) aspects. >>> >>> Yes, we are. We could discuss this more on Thur. online meeting. >>> >>> Sheng Wu 吴晟 >>> Twitter, wusheng1108 >>> >>> >>> Hadrian Zbarcea 于2020年2月26日周三 上午12:27写道： >>> >>> Most of the disagreements on the ASF lists can be traced back to a >>> communication issue. I think I understand what Willem proposed and I >>> agree >>> on the low bar aspect, but I think the way the term bar is used may >>> create >>> unnecessary misunderstandings. >>> >>> This being an ASF local community, it must be guided by ASF standards >>> (let's not call them rules). This is in the interest of advancing the ASF >>> values we believe in and proved successful for over 2 decades. From this >>> point of view the people who are organizing the community must know what >>> they're are doing, Sheng Wu you are correct. There should be a way in >>> which >>> the organizers (or members or whatever word we choose to describe that >>> PMC >>> member like role) communicate with each other, build consensus and >>> execute. >>> If necessary, they are smart and experienced enough to ask for advice >>> from >>> an ASF officer or the board, whatever the case may be. >>> >>> On the other side, thinking about the intent behind the ACL Beijing, it >>> is >>> not intended (I assume) as a private club, but a way to promote open >>> source >>> and the ASF. From this point of view the community should be inclusive, >>> there should be a low bar to entry, there should be good and active >>> mentoring of new individuals (whatever we call them if not members) and >>> they should be encouraged, helped, guided, mentored to be successful with >>> open source, ASF projects and the ASF way in particular. Interested and >>> talented individuals will get the karma in ASF projects and will go as >>> far >>> as they want, and will get a better understanding of what the ASF is >>> about. >>> The 'status' in the ACL Beijing will come from their contributions to >>> open >>> source projects, not the fact that they 'joined the club'. And to be >>> clear, >>> contributions don't mean just code contributions. >>> >>> IMHO, it matters less if those who join are called members of the ALC, >>> what matters is what they do and how they are helped to become successful >>> and how they help others to become successful. Actually the term member >>> is >>> a bit overloaded at the ASF as well. I remember many cases when newly >>> voted
Re: [ALC] Request to setup ALC in Beijing
Hi Hadrian I like this idea. > At least one member of the Steering Committee SHOULD be a member of dev@community.a.o. This means a committer of community.a.o, right? Sheng Wu 吴晟 Twitter, wusheng1108 Hadrian Zbarcea 于2020年2月27日周四 上午4:47写道： > Hi Juan Pan, > > Best is to keep things simple. My suggestion would be to have 3 roles: > > 1. Associate Members = anybody interested, low barrier to entry > 2. Members (or Full Members) = members who are also committers to any ASF > project > 3. Steering Committee = elected from Full Members with an > administrative/organizational role (similar to a PMC); size up to you > > Associate Members would become Full Members simply by getting the Vote of > an ASF community/project, not special procedure would be necessary inside > the ALC. At least one member of the Steering Committee SHOULD be a member > of dev@community.a.o. You could consider removing Associate Members who > were inactive for a significant time, say 2 years. > > Cheers, > Hadrian > > > On Tue, Feb 25, 2020 at 10:19 PM Juan Pan wrote: > >> Hi >> >> After reading the thread, two of questions came to my mind, i.e. What is >> the Responsibility of ALC member? How to become a ALC member? >> Moreover, i guess other ALCs will have the same questions as well. >> >> From the ALC doc[1], we can learn that the responsibilities of ALC are >> mostly related to Apache way, so if the responsibilities of a member is to >> help do those things, >> that means a member at least has a basic understanding of Apache or did >> some contributions? >> Secondly, if many of people who may has no understanding of Apache, or >> just want to be a member (for interest?), is it ok to include him as a >> member? Is there any condition or bar? >> >> IMO, we may consider nomination and vote for a member. Our upcoming >> online meet up is a good chance to discuss. >> >> See you then. >> >> [1] >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/COMDEV/Apache+Local+Community+-+ALC#ApacheLocalCommunity-ALC-ALCRolesandResponsibilities >> >> *Juan Pan (Trista) * >> >> Senior DBA & PPMC of Apache ShardingSphere(Incubating) >> E-mail: panj...@apache.org >> >> >> On 02/26/2020 09:53，Sheng Wu >> wrote： >> >> Hi Hadrian >> >> So, from what I read in the thread above, I see you all being mostly in >> >> agreement, but are referring to different (and important) aspects. >> >> Yes, we are. We could discuss this more on Thur. online meeting. >> >> Sheng Wu 吴晟 >> Twitter, wusheng1108 >> >> >> Hadrian Zbarcea 于2020年2月26日周三 上午12:27写道： >> >> Most of the disagreements on the ASF lists can be traced back to a >> communication issue. I think I understand what Willem proposed and I agree >> on the low bar aspect, but I think the way the term bar is used may create >> unnecessary misunderstandings. >> >> This being an ASF local community, it must be guided by ASF standards >> (let's not call them rules). This is in the interest of advancing the ASF >> values we believe in and proved successful for over 2 decades. From this >> point of view the people who are organizing the community must know what >> they're are doing, Sheng Wu you are correct. There should be a way in >> which >> the organizers (or members or whatever word we choose to describe that PMC >> member like role) communicate with each other, build consensus and >> execute. >> If necessary, they are smart and experienced enough to ask for advice from >> an ASF officer or the board, whatever the case may be. >> >> On the other side, thinking about the intent behind the ACL Beijing, it is >> not intended (I assume) as a private club, but a way to promote open >> source >> and the ASF. From this point of view the community should be inclusive, >> there should be a low bar to entry, there should be good and active >> mentoring of new individuals (whatever we call them if not members) and >> they should be encouraged, helped, guided, mentored to be successful with >> open source, ASF projects and the ASF way in particular. Interested and >> talented individuals will get the karma in ASF projects and will go as far >> as they want, and will get a better understanding of what the ASF is >> about. >> The 'status' in the ACL Beijing will come from their contributions to open >> source projects, not the fact that they 'joined the club'. And to be >> clear, >> contributions don't mean just code contributions. >> >> IMHO, it matters less if those who join are called members of the ALC, >> what matters is what they do and how they are helped to become successful >> and how they help others to become successful. Actually the term member is >> a bit overloaded at the ASF as well. I remember many cases when newly >> voted >> PMC members thought they are members of the foundation, and it took a bit >> for them to understand the difference. >> >> So, from what I read in the thread above, I see you all being mostly in >> agreement, but are referring to different (and important) aspects. >> >> Best of luck, >> Hadria
Re: [ALC] Request to setup ALC in Beijing
Hi Juan Pan, Best is to keep things simple. My suggestion would be to have 3 roles: 1. Associate Members = anybody interested, low barrier to entry 2. Members (or Full Members) = members who are also committers to any ASF project 3. Steering Committee = elected from Full Members with an administrative/organizational role (similar to a PMC); size up to you Associate Members would become Full Members simply by getting the Vote of an ASF community/project, not special procedure would be necessary inside the ALC. At least one member of the Steering Committee SHOULD be a member of dev@community.a.o. You could consider removing Associate Members who were inactive for a significant time, say 2 years. Cheers, Hadrian On Tue, Feb 25, 2020 at 10:19 PM Juan Pan wrote: > Hi > > After reading the thread, two of questions came to my mind, i.e. What is > the Responsibility of ALC member? How to become a ALC member? > Moreover, i guess other ALCs will have the same questions as well. > > From the ALC doc[1], we can learn that the responsibilities of ALC are > mostly related to Apache way, so if the responsibilities of a member is to > help do those things, > that means a member at least has a basic understanding of Apache or did > some contributions? > Secondly, if many of people who may has no understanding of Apache, or > just want to be a member (for interest?), is it ok to include him as a > member? Is there any condition or bar? > > IMO, we may consider nomination and vote for a member. Our upcoming online > meet up is a good chance to discuss. > > See you then. > > [1] > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/COMDEV/Apache+Local+Community+-+ALC#ApacheLocalCommunity-ALC-ALCRolesandResponsibilities > > *Juan Pan (Trista) * > > Senior DBA & PPMC of Apache ShardingSphere(Incubating) > E-mail: panj...@apache.org > > > On 02/26/2020 09:53，Sheng Wu > wrote： > > Hi Hadrian > > So, from what I read in the thread above, I see you all being mostly in > > agreement, but are referring to different (and important) aspects. > > Yes, we are. We could discuss this more on Thur. online meeting. > > Sheng Wu 吴晟 > Twitter, wusheng1108 > > > Hadrian Zbarcea 于2020年2月26日周三 上午12:27写道： > > Most of the disagreements on the ASF lists can be traced back to a > communication issue. I think I understand what Willem proposed and I agree > on the low bar aspect, but I think the way the term bar is used may create > unnecessary misunderstandings. > > This being an ASF local community, it must be guided by ASF standards > (let's not call them rules). This is in the interest of advancing the ASF > values we believe in and proved successful for over 2 decades. From this > point of view the people who are organizing the community must know what > they're are doing, Sheng Wu you are correct. There should be a way in which > the organizers (or members or whatever word we choose to describe that PMC > member like role) communicate with each other, build consensus and execute. > If necessary, they are smart and experienced enough to ask for advice from > an ASF officer or the board, whatever the case may be. > > On the other side, thinking about the intent behind the ACL Beijing, it is > not intended (I assume) as a private club, but a way to promote open source > and the ASF. From this point of view the community should be inclusive, > there should be a low bar to entry, there should be good and active > mentoring of new individuals (whatever we call them if not members) and > they should be encouraged, helped, guided, mentored to be successful with > open source, ASF projects and the ASF way in particular. Interested and > talented individuals will get the karma in ASF projects and will go as far > as they want, and will get a better understanding of what the ASF is about. > The 'status' in the ACL Beijing will come from their contributions to open > source projects, not the fact that they 'joined the club'. And to be clear, > contributions don't mean just code contributions. > > IMHO, it matters less if those who join are called members of the ALC, > what matters is what they do and how they are helped to become successful > and how they help others to become successful. Actually the term member is > a bit overloaded at the ASF as well. I remember many cases when newly voted > PMC members thought they are members of the foundation, and it took a bit > for them to understand the difference. > > So, from what I read in the thread above, I see you all being mostly in > agreement, but are referring to different (and important) aspects. > > Best of luck, > Hadrian > > > > On Tue, Feb 25, 2020 at 8:04 AM Sheng Wu > wrote: > > Hi Willem > > I am pretty sure this should not be having a bar like a project official > committer. But no bar? I don't think this is a reasonable idea. > As ALC we will use the Apache branding and Apache ALC branding, I prefer > there should be some guides, otherwise, how should we protect it? > > And more, how should w
