Re: [WG: Code of conduct] Proposal

[Justin Mclean]

Hi,

Can you give us some idea of what you have already changed in the CoC text, I 
expected a little more from the version control history.

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Re: [WG: Code of conduct] Proposal

[Justin Mclean]

Hi,

I can also help out here.

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Re: Regarding the Apache Committee Report Helper Website

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Hi,

The statistics alone are fairly meaningless in a report. What I like to see in 
a report are more details about the community and what it is doing to attract 
more committers.

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Re: [PR] Propose "why" folder that we will keep as "advisors" knowledge base [comdev-working-groups]

[Justin Mclean]

HI,

> An implicit +1 from the RM is not something that should be encouraged.

I agree, but some projects still do it.

> Also the minimum length of time for voting is 72 hours, except for
> urgent security-related releases.

A few projects have longer times for voting, so they still fit within the 72 
minimum.

Kind Regards,
Justin

Re: [jira] [Commented] (COMDEV-543) Sharpeners use cases

[Justin Mclean]

Hi,

I added the list because I had it at hand so it could be used to improve the 
existing document; if I had time at the moment, I would have written it in the 
style of the existing document, but sadly, I do not at the moment.

Re “too many release candidates”, one thing I have observed is that sometimes 
people rush through checking RCs or stop after a single issue is found and 
don’t do a full check; this can lead to unnecessary RCs being created. 
Encouraging people to come up with a checklist and follow all steps when 
reviewing RCs is something that can help a community.

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[jira] [Commented] (COMDEV-543) Sharpeners use cases

[Justin Mclean (Jira)]

[ 
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/COMDEV-543?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel&focusedCommentId=17817389#comment-17817389
 ] 

Justin Mclean commented on COMDEV-543:
--

I agree guiding projects on what to do in these situations is the more 
difficult part, but this was the list I had at hand that might help form the 
document you have started on, particularly the couple of gaps it has.

> Sharpeners use cases
> 
>
> Key: COMDEV-543
> URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/COMDEV-543
> Project: Community Development
>  Issue Type: Improvement
>  Components: Comdev
>Reporter: Phil Steitz
>Priority: Minor
> Attachments: use-cases.md
>
>
> Brain dump of ideas for sharpeners use cases



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[jira] [Commented] (COMDEV-543) Sharpeners use cases

[Justin Mclean (Jira)]

[ 
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/COMDEV-543?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel&focusedCommentId=17817176#comment-17817176
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Justin Mclean commented on COMDEV-543:
--

Here's a list I have if it helps - theres some overlap  with teh use-cases doc 
added, but a few missing things I think.
Is unsure when to recognise committers
Is having online meetings that are not brought back to the mailing list.
Has a website external to apache.org
Is missing reports
Is missing release votes
Has too many release candidates
Has author tags in the code
Discussions are happening off-list.
Too much talk is happening on the private list.
Users' questions are going unanswered on the mailing list.
There is little or no activity on the mailing list.
There are many GitHub or version control notifications on the mailing list.
Building the project is challenging.
Getting the LICENSE and NOTICE correct is difficult.
The PMC is making releases without voting on them.
The PMC members are not looking after the project's name and brand.
No PMC members have been elected for a while
No committers have been elected for a while.
The project is having trouble attracting contributors.
PMC members are not signed up to the private mailing list.
The project has a benevolent dictator.
A single company is controlling the direction of the project.
Releases are not being placed in the ASF distribution system.
The project is voting on too many things.
PMC members have a conflict of interest.
Conversations on the mailing list mainly occur in a language other than English.
Only a few core people from one company are contributing code.


> Sharpeners use cases
> 
>
> Key: COMDEV-543
> URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/COMDEV-543
> Project: Community Development
>  Issue Type: Improvement
>  Components: Comdev
>Reporter: Phil Steitz
>Priority: Minor
> Attachments: use-cases.md
>
>
> Brain dump of ideas for sharpeners use cases



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Anyone interested in an ALC in Sydney?

[Justin Mclean]

Hi,

I thought I had asked this before, but I can’t find the email. Is anyone 
interested in helping out with an ALC in Sydney? I know there’re not many ASF 
PMC members in Sydney, but there should be enough user interest.

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Re: Community-run MVP programs at the ASF

[Justin Mclean]

Hi,

Is seems to me the real issue here is that the commit bar for the Cassandra 
project is too high. Reduce it, and you don’t need MVP programs or anything 
similar. Calling it an Ambassador program doesn’t make it better. Calling it 
“Cassandra Ambassador Program” is even worse as that implies it’s something 
official from the ASF, when it is not. The ASF recognises merit by making 
people active in the project committers and PMC members. A project should give 
a commit bit to anyone who is currently committed to the project. It doesn’t 
matter if that activity declines at a future date.

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Re: Proposal: Consolidate the various pages about voting/deciding

[Justin Mclean]

Hi,

Note that you also need to understand some of the terms as described here [1] 
to understand that page [2].

Kind Regards,
Justin

1. https://www.apache.org/foundation/glossary.html
2. https://www.apache.org/foundation/voting

Re: [HELP WANTED] Find person to exchange and sign gpg key in Shanghai, China

[Justin Mclean]

HI,

> According to "How to link into a public web of trust"[2], we have to prepare a
> hard copy of the key fingerprint(handwritten or printed ?) and readworld
> identification in face-to-face meeting. 

This is not a requirement for being a release manager, just a nice to have.

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Re: Where to Get an Updated Graphic with List of ASF Projects Logos

[Justin Mclean]

Hi,

> How does it pull them? While Logging Services doesn’t have a logo Log4j does 
> but isn’t there.

See https://www.apache.org/logos/about.html 


Justin

Re: What are best practices for hosting content on project website?

[Justin Mclean]

Hi,

Projects should strive to be vendor-neutral. Putting up branded videos may give 
the impression that there's a relationship between the project and the company 
that doesn't exist and IMO it would be best to avoid that. I notice that the 
same was done in Kafka's release notes which is probably not ideal from a 
vendor neutrality point of view. 

What would you do if another vendor asked to have one of their videos given 
equal prominence on that page?

I'd also be concerned that even if you implement user consent, you would still 
be giving user data to the 3rd party vendor if they are hosting the videos, 
which is probably something you shouldn't do on an ASF site. Also, the vendor 
could change that video to something else, and while they may not do that, the 
project's PMC should be in control of the content, not a 3rd party. So it would 
be best for the project to host any videos themselves.

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Re: Proposal to add "release requirements" check

[Justin Mclean]

Hi,

> However that assumes that you know where to find the download page(s).
> It also assumes that projects update their download page(s) to only
> show current releases.

It does indeed assume that, and a few other things. Currently policy doesn't 
specify what the download page URL should be, but once known I would guess it 
wouldn’t change often.

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Re: Proposal to add "release requirements" check

[Justin Mclean]

Hi,

> Purging old releases needs at least two data sources:
> - the list of files on downloads.apache.org  
> (or the dist.a.o source).
> This is trivial to obtain.
> - the list of current versions for each release. This is the most
> difficult part.

The check dist area script I wrote attempts to do this. [1] It get the list of 
released version from the download page and matches them up with what is in the 
dist area. To be complete you also need to look in the archives (which I’ve not 
done yet).  It does have some of the issues you mention but it’s a start and 
worked for abut 90% of Incubating projects. having something that works for 
project project is probably a good start and it can be refined from there.

Kind Regards,
Justin

1. https://github.com/justinmclean/ReleaseChecker/blob/main/checkdistarea.py

Re: Proposal to add "release requirements" check

[Justin Mclean]

Hi,

I've written some Python scripts to check download pages and release areas for 
incubating projects. [1] They work in most cases if you know the download URL 
and the project has a single product. You can find them here - feel free to use 
or suggest changes.

Kind Regards,
Justin

1. https://github.com/justinmclean/ReleaseChecker
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Online Open Source Hackathon November 22nd to 26th

[Justin McLean]

Hi,

I’m involved in helping out an online Open Source Hackathon that will be held 
on 22nd to 26th November. For more information please see 
https://opensourcehack.cbrin.com.au. International teams are welcome to apply 
and we don’t ask that you hand over any IP. It would be great to see some teams 
using Apache projects there. you can register your team on the website.

As well teams I’m also looking for a number of speakers (3-5 minutes on an OS 
relevant topic and a pre recorded talk is fine), judges and mentors. The team 
involved have run many hackathons before and are well organised. If you would 
like to be involved please get in touch off list.

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Online Open Source Hackathon November 22nd to 26th

[Justin Mclean]

Hi,

I’m involved in helping out an online Open Source Hackathon that will be held 
on 22nd to 26th November. For more information please see 
https://opensourcehack.cbrin.com.au . 
International teams are welcome to apply and we don’t ask that you hand over 
any IP. It would be great to see some teams using Apache projects there. you 
can register your team on the website.

As well teams I’m also looking for a number of speakers (3-5 minutes on an OS 
relevant topic and a pre recorded talk is fine), judges and mentors. The team 
involved have run many hackathons before and are well organised. If you would 
like to be involved please get in touch off list.

Kind Regards,
Justin

Re: Update to ICLA to include github id

[Justin Mclean]

https://docs.github.com/en/github/setting-up-and-managing-your-github-user-account/merging-multiple-user-accounts

On Sun, 9 May 2021, 2:10 pm Roman Shaposhnik,  wrote:

> On Sat, May 8, 2021 at 7:21 PM Craig Russell  wrote:
> >
> > Hi Roman,
> >
> > I understand that GitHub now recommends (not enforced) that people use a
> single
> > GitHub id for all of their interactions on the service, and to
> specifically delete all
> > accounts except for the one account. They can then merge the deleted
> accounts
> > to their one account.
>
> Where is this coming from? Do you have a URL? I'm simply asking because it
> goes
> directly against most employer's recommendations that I know of.
>
> > [So this is different from Google mail accounts, which Google encourages
> folks to have multiple accounts for different purposes.]
> >
> > If people have multiple GitHub accounts, the one on the ICLA would be
> the one that they plan to have associated with their Apache id in future.
> >
> > Apache will only allow an Apache id to be associated with one GitHub id
> so I think we are ok there. Happy to have operations verify this.
>
> There's a LOT of things to unpack here, but I'm still not sure what
> problem are we trying to solve.
>
> Thanks,
> Roman.
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Re: Update to ICLA to include github id

[Justin Mclean]

Hi,

Since recent projects trend to use GitHub and GitHub names instead of real
names. It can make it hard to match ICLAs to real people so I think it
makes sense to have it on the ICLA form. Best to probably make it optional
as not everyone have a GitHub account.

Thanks
Justin

On Sun, 9 May 2021, 12:21 pm Craig Russell,  wrote:

> Hi Roman,
>
> I understand that GitHub now recommends (not enforced) that people use a
> single GitHub id for all of their interactions on the service, and to
> specifically delete all accounts except for the one account. They can then
> merge the deleted accounts to their one account.
>
> [So this is different from Google mail accounts, which Google encourages
> folks to have multiple accounts for different purposes.]
>
> If people have multiple GitHub accounts, the one on the ICLA would be the
> one that they plan to have associated with their Apache id in future.
>
> Apache will only allow an Apache id to be associated with one GitHub id so
> I think we are ok there. Happy to have operations verify this.
>
> Craig
>
> > On May 8, 2021, at 6:45 PM, Roman Shaposhnik 
> wrote:
> >
> > On Sat, May 8, 2021 at 6:03 PM Craig Russell 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> I propose to modify the ICLA to include the submitter's github id.
> These days, with GitHub, projects propose new committers and all they
> really know about them is the contributors' github id. This sometimes makes
> it challenging for Secretary to find the corresponding PMC vote, which
> delays things. If the github id is included in the ICLA, it's much easier
> to verify the project and the status of the contributor.
> >
> > My immediate reaction: which one of half a dozed GH IDs do you mean?
> > (and yes, people have been train to segregate between different
> > employees, organizations, etc.)
> >
> > Also, I'm really not quite sure what verification step knowing ONE of
> > these IDs would help. Can you please elaborate?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Roman.
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Re: Importing external codebase which is not under APL

[Justin Mclean]

Hi,

> Thanks for replying, are you with ASF legal?

I help out there (and currently assistant VP), but I’m not a lawyer or anything 
like that.

> Hashicorp CTO and their management agreed over email, which I could forward 
> over our public lists or ask them to send a confirmation on the voting 
> thread. I think the codebase is owned by a company (Hashicorp), do we need 
> the company to agree to the license change or all the contributors 
> irrespective? This is the repository 
> https://github.com/hashicorp/terraform-provider-cloudstack 
> 
Normally code like this would come in via a software grant [1] and have an IP 
check.

I also see there was one -1 vote, did the person go into any more detail to why 
they voted -1?

Thanks,
Justin

1. https://www.apache.org/licenses/contributor-agreements.html#grants
2. https://incubator.apache.org/ip-clearance/

Re: Importing external codebase which is not under APL

[Justin Mclean]

Hi,

The MPL license is not compatible with the ALv2. Do you have a link to where 
they agreed to change the license? Did all of the previous contributors the 
code agree to the license change?

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Re: [ALC] ALC Indore Event (April 2021)

[Justin Mclean]

Hi,

> 2. https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/x/QhjZCQ

I noticed the stats are not quite up to date. I have a little script that I use 
to generate ASF stats, that injects the values into the slides I use. Currently 
there are 234 IPMC members and 36 podlings. 

> 3. 
> https://speakerdeck.com/adityasharma/apache-incubator-and-how-incubator-communities-are-built

Great overview and introduction to the Incubator here. Only things I see 
perhaps missing is the importance of branding. I think I recognise some of the 
content :-)

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Re: [ALC] ALC Indore Event (April 2021)

[Justin Mclean]

Hi,

> For week 1, the content will be almost similar to the slides shared in
> our previous events [2] and [3]. For week 2, we are referring to the
> existing resources of Apache OFBiz[4] for content.
> 
> 1. https://s.apache.org/alc-indore
> 2. https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/x/IEp4CQ
> 3. https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/x/Dyx4CQ

Great work on the slides, it give a good overview and it nicely simplifies some 
complex ideas. I have some feedback, feel free to apply or not as you see fit.

On the first slide desk:
- 19 (Apache project ecosystem) you should mention GitHub as an issue tracker, 
most new projects tend to use it.
- 20 it would be good to emphasise that non code contribution are also 
welcome.(I see 21 does make that clearer)
- 23 update to latest ApacheCon

On the second slide deck:
- 18 (How Apache projects work?). ASF members also elect the board. I think 
committer vote on code is possible misleading. ASF project exist for their 
users so saying that have no formal governance is probably not needed and 
possibly implies a hierarchy where one shouldn’t exit.
- 19 add GitHub issue for tracking.
22 - add non code contributions

I also notice the agenda mentioned the Incubator but I don’t see that mentioned 
in the slides.

Are these slides under version control somewhere? Perhaps you could consider 
donating them to the Apache Training project?

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Justin
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Re: [ALC] ALC Indore Event (April 2021)

[Justin Mclean]

Hi,

> The ALC [1] Indore Chapter [2] is planning to organize numerous workshops
> on 'The Apache Way 101'. Through this workshop, we will spread awareness
> about the The Apache Way and try to help people make their first
> contribution to any of the Apache project. During these workshops, we will
> be conducting numerous sessions on various related topics.

Out of interest - what language will these workshop be in and are they in 
person or virtual?

> The workshop will be of 2 weeks duration and cover the following topics:
> Week 1

Have you got any ASF member / people who been around for a while to review to 
provide feedback on the material?

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Re: New Apache.org product concept: Digital Merit Badges

[Justin Mclean]

Hi,

If it something fun and aimed at building community and opt-in then I’d say go 
for it.

> Here's the badges I have earned at Fedora:
> 
> https://badges.fedoraproject.org/user/rcb 
> 

There's some fun ones there. I’d like to hand out a few of these [1] :-)

> Perhaps some more serious ones ...
> 
> * Mentored a podling
> * Voted on a podling release
> * Vetoed a podling release (Looking at you, Justin!) ;-)

A -1 vote on a release is not a veto - perhaps we need a badge for that :-)  
And I think you find it’s possibly more than one release :-) [2]

Thanks,
Justin

1. https://badges.fedoraproject.org/badge/fedora-legal-badge-of-doom 

2. A  rough pony mail search about 200 and I’m coming up to have voted on 1000 
releases.

Re: New Apache.org product concept: Digital Merit Badges

[Justin Mclean]

Hi,

Other foundations such as the linux foundation do have badges for their 
training courses and certification[1], but I don’t know of any that have badges 
for making contributions. Openhub does track contribution and awards people a 
kudos score and badges based on contribution. e.g. [2]

One down side I see badges may make it harder for part time contributors as 
they get less recognition. People who are paid full time to work on a project 
will most likely find it easier to gain badges. While this already happens to 
some extent with projects with high committer bars, it could further demotivate 
people who can only contribute occassionally. This is likely to impact on the 
diversity of contributors, and further increase bias. Some of this may depend 
on how the badge system is designed and if it weighted more towards new 
contributors or people who been around on a project for some time.

The other issue I see is how are the badges awarded? Automatically issuing 
badges on X commits, on x mails to a mailing list, or when becoming a PMC 
member or committer seems possible but is likely to be some work. For instance, 
what if the person doesn’t have an apache id?

Depending on the badges it might also easy to game. e.g. if I need 100 commits 
to get a badge, then I’m going to make lots of small commute rather than one 
big one. If there a badge for emails send to lest then I’m going to send more 
emails. I ‘m not sure that this would bee a positive gain for the community.

I do see some merit in having badges for committership, PMC membership and the 
like. These days most digital badges can be shared on linked in and other 
social media platforms and doing so may help promote the ASF and how it 
operates.

Thanks,
Justin


1. https://training.linuxfoundation.org/badges-2/ 

2. https://www.openhub.net/p/apache-spark/users 

Re: Offer of Mentoring and Coaching to All Apache Communities

[Justin Mclean]

Hi Veronica,

Welcome! I’m particular interested the topics below, did you have any next 
steps in mind or how I or others can help you? I’ve got a background in 
presenting, mentoring and training and know how the ASF works.

> · How to structure and deliver effective  presentations
> · Mentor the mentors (techniques to be effective)
> · Coaching

I also interested in D&I but I think we have others who have that covered.

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Justin
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Re: [Mentor ML] How to subscribe mentor mail list?

[Justin Mclean]

Hi,

You might find it easier to subscribe/unsubscribe by using Whimsy:
https://whimsy.apache.org/committers/subscribe

This will also tell you what you are subscribed to:
https://whimsy.apache.org/roster/committer/__self__

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Justin

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Re: Migration and consolidation helm charts for ASF projects from helm/charts to apache/charts git

[Justin Mclean]

Hi,

> I am not even sure myself if I am the only one who feels the disconnection
> between reality and the current policies, that's why I started the thread
> here.

You would not be the only person who set this. People and project are making 
small steps to correct this. Recently Infra’s distribution policy was updated 
and the Incubator made these guidelines. [1] Note that Infra do support docker 
as a platform.

Thanks,
Justin

1. https://incubator.apache.org/guides/distribution.html
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Re: Is there any private mail list for comdev

[Justin Mclean]

Hi,

Yes there’s a priv...@community.apache.org that the comdev PMC (and all ASF 
members) have access to.

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Re: [ALC] Apache way presentation

[Justin Mclean]

Hi,

You might want to consider donating this to the Apache training project [1], I 
had intended to but hadn’t found the cycles yet.

Thanks,
Justin

1. http://training.apache.org
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Re: Update information on community.apache.org

[Justin Mclean]

Hi,
The date should change when the site is updated, please don't update it
automatically via JS.
Thanks,
Justin


On Mon, 17 Feb 2020, 09:18 Austin Bennett, 
wrote:

> When looking at that code for the page, I had thought that perhaps would
> not hard-code the year, but would use a javascript function to get the
> date/year and include that when the site gets rendered -- but that makes
> sense in my head, which easily doesn't translate to being
> easy-to-impliment.
>
> On Sun, Feb 16, 2020 at 1:39 PM Tomasz Urbaszek 
> wrote:
>
> > Thanks for the quick response! It seems that https://www.apache.org is
> > also little bit out of date (2019 instead of 2020). Is there any
> > possibility to use some auto-update?
> >
> > T.
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Feb 16, 2020 at 3:51 PM Shane Curcuru 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Roy Lenferink wrote on 2020-2-16 6:34AM EST:
> > > > Following the WEBSITE-HOWTO [1] I just updated the year from 2018 to
> > 2020.
> > > > However, a comdev-er still needs to publish the site [2] as I was
> > unable to.
> > > > "svnmucc: E175013: Access to
> > > >
> >
> '/repos/infra/!svn/txr/1056611-mpm7/websites/production/community/content'
> > > > forbidden"
> > >
> > > Done!  Excellent instructions, I had forgotten about the cms publish
> > > links.  Thanks to Tomasz for reporting.
> > >
> > > > [1]
> https://github.com/apache/comdev-site/blob/trunk/WEBSITE-HOWTO.txt
> > > > [2] https://cms.apache.org/community/publish?diff=1
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Re: ASF Project Licensing

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Hi,

There is also the option of having the code re-licensed (with the owners 
agreement) if it’s not under a compatible license.May projects that come to the 
Incubator didn’t have their original codebase under the Apache license.

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Re: NuttX 2020 conference

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Hi,


Sorry it’s May not Match.

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NuttX 2020 conference

[Justin Mclean]

Hi,

A project Apache NuttX. which has just entered the Incubator is planning a 
small conference in Tokyo in March.[1]  This has been in the planning stages 
before the project joined the Incubator.

There are PPMC members on the conference committee, but currently the 
conference wouldn’t meet the ASF branding guidelines and a few other things. 
I’m pointed them at the relevant policies, given feedback on some of their 
material, and hope to move them in that direction. But given the short time 
frames, and the call for papers is just about to go out, some leeway (for 
instance around the domain name) may be required. 

If anyone would like to be involved just ping dev@nuttx.apache,org

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Justin

1. https://nuttx.events
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Re: starting up a new project

[Justin Mclean]

Hi,

The best place to start that discussion is on general@incubator.apache,org. 
There you can take a look at other proposals and the conversations around them. 
[1]

The Incubator doesn’t accept all projects, with the main requirement being that 
teh project much have a code base and a community around it.

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Justin

1. https://lists.apache.org/list.html?gene...@incubator.apache.org
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Re: Logo Display

[Justin Mclean]

Hi,

A few years back I made an app to guess the apache project logo.[1][2] I could 
update it if people want. It’s all client side, logo need to be manually 
updated to hide the names.

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Justin

1. https://github.com/justinmclean/ApacheLogos
2. https://rawgit.com/justinmclean/ApacheLogos/master/compiled/index.html
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Re: Booth Volunteers Needed for ApacheCon NA Las Vegas

[Justin Mclean]

Hi,

If someone with edit right could add Apache Training as well that would be 
appreciated. It has talks at ApacheCon NA.

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Re: Booth Volunteers Needed for ApacheCon NA Las Vegas

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HI,

> Is there are repository/directory of the project logos / stickers?

Of the logos yes [1].

Justin

1. http://apache.org/logos/

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Re: Booth Volunteers Needed for ApacheCon NA Las Vegas

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HI,

I’m unable to edit the page. Put me down for some time.

Also can you add PLC4X, IoTDB and Mynewt to the sticker list. They all have 
talks at ApacheCon NA.

I’ll look through my notes for what sticker run out early but off top of my 
head it was the Apache feather, Spark and Tomcat.

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Re: Missing podling logos

[Justin Mclean]

Hi,

My second list for the logos  [1] had a few errors as it assumed .svg files 
existed for all projects. Try this one instead:

Logos misisng:
amaterasu
annotator
batchee
brpc
datasketches
dlab
flagon
gobblin
hudi
iotdb
marvin
omid
pinot
ratis
rya
s2graph
samoa
sdap
shardingsphere
singa
tamaya
training
tephra
toree
tuweni
tvm
weex
zipkin

Thanks,
Justin

1. http://www.apache.org/logos/
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Missing podling logos

[Justin Mclean]

Hi,

I was going to generate a slide containing all the podlings logos, however the 
current list seem a little out of date [1].

Mentors it would be great to remind you podlings to add a logo to [1] 
instructions are at the same link. Or if any PPMC member notices this just go 
ahead and do it!

If you add you login here [1] you can get featured on the front page of the 
Apache site, so it’s a good idea to add your logo.

These logos don’t exists:
amaterasu
annotator
batchee
brpc
crail
daffodil
datasketches
dlab
doris
druid
echarts
edgent
flagon
gobblin
hivemall
hudi
iceberg
iotdb
livy
marvin
milagro
mxnet
myriad
nemo
omid
pagespeed
pinot
ponymail
ratis
rya
s2graph
samoa
sdap
shardingsphere
spot
superset
tamaya
taverna
training
tephra
toree
tuweni
tvm
warble
zipkin

Logos can also be found here [2] and while a few less are missing, quite a few 
still are:
amaterasu
annotator
batchee
brpc
datasketches
dlab
druid
echarts
flagon
gobblin
hudi
iotdb
marvin
omid
pinot
ratis
rya
s2graph
samoa
sdap
shardingsphere
singa
superset
tamaya
training
tephra
toree
tuweni
tvm
weex
zipkin

These logos are used for a number of things including to make stickers for 
ApacheCon. You want stickers right? How to add your logo can be found here [3]

Thanks,
Justin

P.S Both lists were auto-generated so may contain an error or two, apologies in 
advance.

1. https://www.apache.org/img/
2. http://www.apache.org/logos/
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Re: [Discuss] Attributing contributions to commercial vendors investing in projects

[Justin Mclean]

Hi,

> Lots of NOTICE f iles give attribution to the pre-Apache project owner.  Why 
> not let other companies add their logo to NOTICE if it is important to them?
> 
> Maybe allow these two things and see if that makes the corporations happy.

IMO (and policy states that )NOTICE is there for legal reasons not so people 
can pay money (in one form or another) to get listed in it.

Thanks,
Justin

Re: on "meritocracy"

[Justin Mclean]

Hi,

Slightly off topic but relevant. One think we could do is look at other 
foundations and communities and see what they have done that has worked for 
them. I come across this interesting artifice this morning [1]. Note it 
includes the steps that community took to build a diverse community, I’d also 
note we’ve taken some of those steps (e.g. have a code of conduct) but perhaps 
shows where we could do more. They have set up a Drupal Diversity & Inclusion 
team [5] that spells out it values [2] and has  among other things guide on 
moderation, [3] and participation [4], Now the ASF is different to Drupal and 
some of those tings may not fit but it would be useful I think to at least 
consider them.

Thanks,
Justin

1. https://angel.co/blog/drupals-angela-byron-on-building-a-diverse-community
2. 
https://www.drupal.org/docs/8/modules/drupal-diversity-inclusion/statement-of-values
3. 
https://www.drupal.org/docs/8/modules/drupal-diversity-inclusion/drupal-diversity-inclusion-participation-moderation-1
4. 
https://www.drupal.org/docs/8/modules/drupal-diversity-inclusion/participation-moderation-guidelines/participant-guidelines
5. https://www.drupal.org/project/diversity
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Re: Help us understand the effects of developers' personality on collaboration in OSS development

[Justin Mclean]

Hi,

JFYI - And it look like they may of just spammed a whole lot of people. I just 
got an unsolicited email from them.

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dev@community.apache.org

[Justin Mclean]

Hi,

This summary may help [1] with a few things.

Thanks,
Justin

1. https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/DefaultProjectGuidelines

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[Justin Mclean]

Hi,

> The phrasing at https://www.apache.org/foundation/board/reporting 
>  is "While
> in most cases the chair works with other PMC members to write the report,
> the report is ultimately the chair's responsibility to complete and submit.”

It also needs to reflect the view of the PMC. In one project I’m the chair of 
the PMC does all the work and I add anything they have missed or suggest a few 
changes, in another I generally write the whole thing with occasional input 
from other PMC members. Either is fine, but it makes the chair life a little 
easier if it done as a collaboration, and the chair may miss things. If the 
chair is not available for any reason a PMC member can submit the report. 

Thanks,
Justin

dev@community.apache.org

[Justin Mclean]

Hi,

> The PMC doesn't select a chair (it doesn't have the authority), but it 
> motions the board to appoint a specific person as chair, sort of like 
> introducing legislation in a parliament but not being able to vote on it. The 
> board then votes and either ratifies that motion, or it says "we're not going 
> to do that and here's why". A chair is an officer of the foundation, and as 
> such, HAS to be appointoed by the board of directors in the case of top level 
> projects.

Which is what I said, but perhaps select is too strong a word, it’s more 
suggest. I’m not seen the board not accept a suggested chair for a project. I 
have however seen them remove chairs for one reason or another.

Thanks,
Justin

dev@community.apache.org

[Justin Mclean]

Hi,

Also another missed point that in some projects (and more common in
incubating projects) is that committees = PMC

Thanks
Justin

On Thu., 20 Dec. 2018, 12:19 pm Justin Mclean  HI,
>
> Nice presentation.
>
> Here my feedback on this some of this is more opinion (there’s many Apache
> ways) and some is just how things tends to be done in projects I’ve worked
> with.
>
> Slide 3:
> - We’re 6679 committers, 730 members, 199 top level PLCs, 52 podlings
> currently. [1] May be good to mention teh incubator and prodding projects.
>
> Slide 4
> - While the chair is responsible for making sure teh report is submitted
> to the board, it's the PMC who writes and contrite to it. "The report is
> technically single-author written by the PMC chair.” is sometimes teh case
> but in some project its more of a collaborative effort.
> - While only the board can appoint the chair, the chair is usually
> selected by the PMC.
>
> Slide 6
> - Rather than “Avoid toxic behaviours” I say “Discourage any toxic
> behaviour”
> - I’d be more explicit "Contributors represent themselves not the company
> they work for”
> - Code of conduct [2] should be mentioned here? in “Community > code”?
>
> Slide 7
> - include “merit doesn’t expire” concept here
> - I think the toxic stuff needs some work
>
> Slide 8
> - https://lists.apache.org is a better archive / search link
>
> Slide 9
> - Voting on contentious issues can cause division and split the community,
> so care needs to be taken to build consensus before a vote of this nature.
> - Voting on releases is different, -1 is not a veto
>
> Slide 10
> - CTR is much more common on ASF projects
>
> Slide 12
> - The tick and crosses are misleading, committer can be involved in
> everything but don’t have binding votes including on releases.
>
> Slide 15
> - Quick to review PRs need not apply with CTR and committer can mentor
> contributors as well in fact they may do that more than PMC members.
>
> I;’ll give some more feedback when I get a chance.
>
> Thanks,
> Justin
>
> 1. https://whimsy.apache.org/roster/
> 2. https://www.apache.org/foundation/policies/conduct.html
>
>
>

dev@community.apache.org

[Justin Mclean]

HI,

Nice presentation.

Here my feedback on this some of this is more opinion (there’s many Apache 
ways) and some is just how things tends to be done in projects I’ve worked with.

Slide 3:
- We’re 6679 committers, 730 members, 199 top level PLCs, 52 podlings 
currently. [1] May be good to mention teh incubator and prodding projects.

Slide 4
- While the chair is responsible for making sure teh report is submitted to the 
board, it's the PMC who writes and contrite to it. "The report is technically 
single-author written by the PMC chair.” is sometimes teh case but in some 
project its more of a collaborative effort.
- While only the board can appoint the chair, the chair is usually selected by 
the PMC. 

Slide 6
- Rather than “Avoid toxic behaviours” I say “Discourage any toxic behaviour”
- I’d be more explicit "Contributors represent themselves not the company they 
work for”
- Code of conduct [2] should be mentioned here? in “Community > code”?

Slide 7
- include “merit doesn’t expire” concept here
- I think the toxic stuff needs some work

Slide 8
- https://lists.apache.org is a better archive / search link

Slide 9
- Voting on contentious issues can cause division and split the community, so 
care needs to be taken to build consensus before a vote of this nature.
- Voting on releases is different, -1 is not a veto

Slide 10
- CTR is much more common on ASF projects

Slide 12
- The tick and crosses are misleading, committer can be involved in everything 
but don’t have binding votes including on releases.

Slide 15
- Quick to review PRs need not apply with CTR and committer can mentor 
contributors as well in fact they may do that more than PMC members.

I;’ll give some more feedback when I get a chance.

Thanks,
Justin

1. https://whimsy.apache.org/roster/
2. https://www.apache.org/foundation/policies/conduct.html



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Re: Resources for attracting a crowd

[Justin Mclean]

Hi,

> I've been working on a project for 4-5 years now which I think would make a 
> good Apache project, at least in terms of it being valuable, high-quality 
> software. We're using it internally for our production systems at work, but 
> the code is open (hosted on GitHub). Our process to date has been somewhat 
> lacking (starting out as a 1-man project, now up to 3-4 regular 
> contributors). The project is called Indy 
> (https://github.com/Commonjava/indy).

The project seems small, but you have managed to grow it and have contributors 
so congratulations. How large is your user base? Is there potential for users 
to become committers in the project?

> With my history working in and promoting the Maven community in the past, I'm 
> hesitant to say that I can give Indy the exposure necessary to attract a 
> really thriving, diverse community. This is not a strong area for me 
> personally, as talking about myself and my work doesn't come naturally. Also, 
> I've got a lot of existing commitments in life, many of which revolve around 
> Indy at work, but which don't leave a lot of room for doing extra promotion 
> work.

There's more than one way to promote a project, but it can be a lot of hard 
work and time and effort. Another Apache project I’m involved in, is seeing 
growth after a year of talking to a lot of people, speaking at conferences, 
writing articles and q whole lot of other work. Can any of the other 
contributors help you in promotion?

> Does the Incubator have some facility or capability to help project teams 
> attract a broader community?

Not explicitly, but often being part of the Apache ecosystem and interacting 
with other Apache projects can get more people interested in your project and 
become part of your community.  Are there any other apache projects you see 
synergy with or that could integrate with your project?

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Justin
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Re: Gathering all project logos in high res (or scalable) format

[Justin Mclean]

Hi,

I assume you're aware of [1] (lowres images) and [2] (a bit of fun)?

Thanks,
Justin

1. http://apache.org/img/
2. https://github.com/justinmclean/ApacheLogos

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Apache Policy Quiz

[Justin Mclean]

Hi,

A while back I posted a little logo game. [1] Well after a few comments on the 
incubator list around projects possibly graduating without fully understanding 
ASF policy, and some issues with recent release got me thinking is there 
another way we can present this information. So I made a little multiple choice 
quiz on ASF policy. [2] Give it a try [3] and tell me what you think. (It’s 
probably harder and not as fun as the logo game but aimed at a different 
audience.)

Currently it only has a dozen or so questions with some variation, so you may 
get the same question asked but it’s likely to have different answers in a 
different order. Anyway if people think this is useful perhaps we can expand it 
with more questions and broaden the scope to include other areas like the 
Apache Way, how the foundation works and the like.

I may of made mistakes and it likely some words and sentences probably need 
correcting. Proof readers and PRs welcome.

BTW it doesn’t save your scores anywhere so if you get a question wrong only 
you will know but hopefully you might learn something. Have a record of number 
of people taking the quiz and results by incubating project might be 
interesting but probably a little invasive.

Thanks,
Justin

1. https://github.com/justinmclean/ApacheLogos
2. https://github.com/justinmclean/ApacheQuiz
3. https://rawgit.com/justinmclean/ApacheQuiz/master/compiled/index.html
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Re: Creating an ASF Project Game Application ?

[Justin Mclean]

Hi,

> Don't you hate that auto spelling correction?

Every day.

>   I'm bringing a PC, my phone and maybe an old tablet.

Send me the specs offline and I may have a device that I can test it on  and/or 
just try it on the old tablet and see how it goes.

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Justin
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Re: Creating an ASF Project Game Application ?

[Justin Mclean]

Hi,

> We are going to have an Apache booth at the Paris Open Source Summit in a 
> couple of weeks so having this app available would be a really good way to 
> engage people.

Just out of interest what are do you need to run it on? It shovel work fine but 
it probably would be good to test it before hand :-)

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Justin
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Re: Creating an ASF Project Game Application ?

[Justin Mclean]

Hi,

I’ve just made a slightly improved version [1] that show a result page, 
displaying into about the project and the unburied image if you got it right or 
wrong.

Any other suggestions, feedback etc just reply here or raise a GitHub issue.

Thanks,
Justin

1. https://rawgit.com/justinmclean/ApacheLogos/master/compiled/index.html
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Re: Creating an ASF Project Game Application ?

[Justin Mclean]

Hi,

> But it's too easy when the project's name is in its logo.  Some could be
> blurred out, but some are essential to the logo.

Select "Show logos with blurred text” on the first page and you’ll get exactly 
that.

Thanks for taking a look.

Justin

Re: Creating an ASF Project Game Application ?

[Justin Mclean]

Hi,

> The output is entirety client side HTML / JS so it’s already “HTML5”.

BTW here in all its JS ugliness [1]. The debug version is easier to work with 
:-)

Thanks,
Justin

1. https://github.com/PierreSmits/ApacheLogos/blob/master/compiled/GuessLogo.js
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Re: Creating an ASF Project Game Application ?

[Justin Mclean]

Hi,

Thanks! Any suggestions for improvement (esp design wise) please put forward.

> I'm wondering if we could upgrade this project with an HTML5 version or a
> Unity version that could be very nice!

The output is entirety client side HTML / JS so it’s already “HTML5”.

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Re: Creating an ASF Project Game Application ?

[Justin Mclean]

Hi,

It’s been a couple of weeks since this thread has died down but I found a few 
of hours today to finish off a functional proof of concept version of the 
“Guess the Apache logo” application.

The source code (nothing fancy or complex) is here [1], and you can see it in 
action here [2]. It’s under Apache license and I can donate it to ASF / comdev 
if they have a place to put it. Feedback welcome. It’s JS app so will run in 
any browser. I’m not tested it on mobile or for cross browser compatability.

Apologies in advance for any projects that are missing (raise PR’s please), 
logos that are out of date, and my butchering of the “blurry” logos (stand back 
I’m editing pixels!).

Thanks,
Justin

1. https://github.com/justinmclean/ApacheLogos
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Re: Volunteers needed: Apache track at solutions.hamburg 12-14th Sep. 2018

[Justin Mclean]

Hi,

Would also like to be involved again (it was good fun) but this far out because 
of the travel distance it’s a little hard to commit to it.

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Re: FOSS Backstage Micro Sunmit Schedule Published

[Justin Mclean]

Hi,

That’s assuming trademarks approves it's use. (Or perhaps you can eat the 
evidence before they find out?) :-)

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Re: FOSS Backstage Micro Sunmit Schedule Published

[Justin Mclean]

Hi,

> If someone is selling finished feather cookie cutters, I'll buy one!
> (Although I suppose I could figure out how to buy time at a local maker
> office as well, but that's more complicated)

I just made a 3d printed one that should work (needs testing).

 I’ve emailed Share offline with photos but if anyone else wants the 3d file / 
photos or a printed one (if I can easily get it to you) just email me offlist.

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Re: Solutions.Hamburg: Invitation to provide ApacheContent

[Justin Mclean]

Hi,

> Without asking me first, Chris told Solutions.Hamburg that I would
> take over the Apache coordination of the conference.  
> 
> * Everyone who has volunteered to give a talk sends me their title(s)
> and abstract(s) and bio(s?) by midnight on Thursday evening (timezone:
> CET), thus removing the effort involved in chasing people down for
> this, or
> * someone else takes over the effort of chasing people down

I'll help out here end of the day send me the people who have not responded and 
I’ll follow up with them.

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Justin
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Re: Signing contracts?

[Justin Mclean]

HI,

Silly auto correct comedy == comdev :-)

Justin

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Re: Signing contracts?

[Justin Mclean]

Hi,

> The last word got me thinking. Who would be signing this type of contract? I 
> know that I am definitely not allowed to sign stuff on behalf of the ASF.

Probably VP comedy? But if not I sure another VP can probably be found to sign 
it.

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Re: Solutions.Hamburg: Invitation to provide ApacheContent

[Justin Mclean]

Hi,

> Dev-Day: 
> - IoT (Mynewt?, Edgent?) – An Introduction into the Framework with some 
> examples on what you can do with it?

I can help out here if no one else puts their hand up.

> - The Incubator (Lifecycle of an Apache Project)

As mentioned previously myself and Mryle can help here.

> - How to make money with Open-Source?

Wish I could help you with that ;-) Were you thinking small freelance 
consultant point  of view or something bigger? What would work better at the 
conference?

>  And probably the talks should be in German … but I’ll double check that with 
> the organizer of the conference right away.

A couple of conference I’ve spoken at in Germany about 1/2 - 3/4 of the content 
was in German the rest in English so I’m hoping this will be the case because 
my German speaking ability is null.

Thanks,
Justin
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Re: Solutions.Hamburg: Invitation to provide ApacheContent

[Justin Mclean]

Hi,

> I am willing to do a lot of the work for this, but definitely not all of it. 
> So, if there are people willing to help, please step forward. Otherwise I’ll 
> just contact the guys from that conference and cancel this project.


I assume at this point is just getting enough people to put up their hands to 
volunteer to speak and have some time to organise the schedule?

Or do you have a more defined list of tasks you need help with? Having that may 
help motivate people?

Thanks,
Justin
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Re: Speak at Open Source Summit Europe, CFP Closes July 8th

[Justin Mclean]

Hi,

I was thinking of submitting a talk or two and/or could handle the incubator 
talk.

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Justin
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Re: Solutions.Hamburg: Invitation to provide ApacheContent

[Justin Mclean]

Hi,

> That said, having a top-level 'Apache Way' talk is important, and having
> a talk about the Incubator is also greatly desired.

I would be willing to give a talk about the incubator if needed.

It’s a long way for me to travel (from Australia) but it’s a good excuse to 
visit a city I’ve not been to before.

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Justin
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Re: Help Wanted: ApacheCon content committee

[Justin Mclean]

Hi,

Reviewed many ApacheCon talks and can do so again if you need.

Thanks,
Justin

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Re: Ask for licenses

[Justin Mclean]

Hi,

And this is another good plain english site [1]

Thanks,
Justin

1. http://choosealicense.com/licenses/

Re: Ask for licenses

[Justin Mclean]

Hi,

This site may help [1]  and give a nice clear english summary of most open 
source licenses.

Thanks,
Justin

1. https://tldrlegal.com

Re: ApacheCon CFP review committee

[Justin Mclean]

Hi,

> Rich, I only got access to review ApacheCon (formerly Core) submissions; no
> the Big Data ones.

Same here (I think). If we find  big data talk submitted to core should we a) 
ask them to be moved to big data OR b) reject them. Seem to recall we had this 
issue last time as well.

Thanks,
Justin

Re: ApacheCon CFP, review committee needed

[Justin Mclean]

Hi,

> I need a small committee of assistants to help rate the talks and select
> the schedule. Please let me know ASAP if you wish to participate.

I can help out if you need but if you allready have enough people I’m good with 
that.

Thanks,
Justin

PS Have helped out in the past ApacheCons and been of the boards of a few other 
conferences etc etc…

Re: [VOTE] Ripple Release 0.9.32

[Justin Mclean]

Hi,

+1 binding

I checked:
- signatures and hashed good
- filename contains incubating
- DISCLAIMER exits
- LICENSE and NOTICE good
- no unexpected binaries
- all source files have headers

I did’t have an environment set that could compile the project. Would be nice 
to have pointer on how to set up “jake".

What's the provanance of these two files? I notice the first can be found here 
[1]
ripple-emulator-0.9.32-incubating/thirdparty/dredd.txt
ripple-emulator-0.9.32-incubating/thirdparty/fail.txt

The header on lib/client/platform/webworks.core/2.0.0/client/utils.js is 
probably a little misleading as it contains a mix of licensed code, but not 
sure if any changes are required.

There’s no need (but no issue) for Rico or XMLHttpRequest.js to be included in 
LICENSE as they Apache licensed. [2] 

Thanks,
Justin

1. http://www.retrojunkie.com/asciiart/tvmovies/dredd.htm
2. http://www.apache.org/dev/licensing-howto.html#alv2-dep

Re: [VOTE] Apache Flex SDK 4.14.0 RC1

[Justin Mclean]

Hi,

Sorry -1 binding due to LICENSE/NOTICE issues,  locale issue and the RSL issue

I checked (on OSX):
- md5 and signatures correct
- LICENSE and NOTICE have issues ( see below)
- No unexpected binaries in source 
- All source files have Apache headers
- Can compile from source
- Can create a usable SDK
- Simple desktop, mobile and browser apps work
- Simple desktop RSL app fails to work with error:
Error #2032: Stream Error. URL: file:///Users/justinmclean/Documents/Adobe 
Flash Builder 4.6/SimpleRSLTest/bin-debug/textLayout_20150121.swf
Looks like the file is question is named "textLayout_4.14.0.20150121.swf" not 
the expected "textLayout_20150121.swf".

I'm yet to test any of the new mobile skins, flat theme or new component.

The source LICENSE file is missing a few things I think:

Noticed this (and variations of):
This is SVG, a language for describing two-dimensional graphics in XML.
 Copyright 2001, 2002 W3C (MIT, INRIA, Keio), All Rights Reserved.

In these files:
modules/thirdparty/batik/resources/org/apache/flex/forks/batik/dom/svg/resources/*.mod
modules/thirdparty/batik/resources/org/apache/flex/forks/batik/dom/svg/resources/*.dtd

And this "Copyright (c) 1999 World Wide Web Consortium" in:
modules/thirdparty/batik/sources/org/w3c/css/sac/LexicalUnit.java

We have batik mentioned in NOTICE but I'm not sure that's correct (unless 
license headers were also changed). Shouldn't we have the license pointers in 
LICENSE instead as W3C licenses are permissive license? [1] The W3C software 
and document licenses [2][3] don't require any thing added to NOTICE  as far as 
I can tell (not 100% sure) but do require a copy and/or link to their LICENSE 
which we are not doing in the source package.

Other stuff:
- During the build it prompts for OSMF which it doesn't need to.
- " ant -f installer.xml" doesn't respect locale and forces en_US
- The REAMDE section on dependancies needs a little fixing
- Missing CONTRIBUTORS file
- Suggest LICENSE.base, LICENSE.bin, NOTICE.asc, NOTICE.base, NOTICE.bin either 
be moved out of the base directory so there or not included in the source 
release no confusion re which license actually applies
- Missing windows version of adl and adt from bin directory this means the SDK 
is not portable. This may be an issue to some people as discussed previously on 
the list.
- Utils display wrong copyright year eg compc displays "Copyright 2014 The 
Apache Software Foundation."

Thanks,
Justin

1 http://www.apache.org/dev/licensing-howto.html#permissive-deps
2. http://www.w3.org/Consortium/Legal/2002/copyright-software-20021231
3. http://www.w3.org/Consortium/Legal/2002/copyright-documents-20021231.html

Re: A maturity model for Apache projects

[Justin Mclean]

Hi,

> "for distribution to the public at no charge" is straight from the
> from the ASF Bylaws at http://apache.org/foundation/bylaws.html so I'm
> not keen on changing that.

Understand. No a real issue either way, just pointing out it might hinder 
adoption outside of Apache.

Thanks,
Justin

Re: A maturity model for Apache projects

[Justin Mclean]

Hi,

> I thought that was part of the Open Source definition?

Not quite (AFAIK), there's no royalties allowed on redistribution but that 
doesn't mean you can't charge for it either initially or when redistributing it 
as part of a bundle.

"The license shall not restrict any party from selling or giving away the 
software as a component of an aggregate software distribution containing 
programs from several different sources. The license shall not require a 
royalty or other fee for such sale." [1]

Perhaps change CD10 to this?

The project produces royalty free Open Source software.

Thanks,
Justin

1.http://opensource.org/osd

Re: A maturity model for Apache projects

[Justin Mclean]

Hi,

Some (very) minor things.

CD10 - "distributed at no charge to the public." while this may be true at 
Apache it doesn't have to be the case. 3rd parties wanting to this model may 
find this a stumbling block.

CD40 - Perhaps a footnote? for code donated to Apache the history before Apache 
may or may not exists.

LC30 -  Add "compatible with the Apache License" just to make it clear that 
some OS licences are not compatible with Apache?

RE30 - Perhaps remove and/or as we would  want both right?

OCXX - Do we need add something about merit once given doesn't expire?

CO50 Perhaps change "granted more rights" to "granted more responsibility"?

INXX - Add something about multiple roles/multiple hats?

Thanks,
Justin

Re: ApacheCon Schedule announced: Help still needed

[Justin Mclean]

HI,

> * Identify speakers that are speaking twice at once, or back-to-back

I have two talks back to back on the same day (Monday 350 + 4:50) but I'm good 
with that.

Thanks,
Justin

Re: ApacheCon - Uncategorized talks

[Justin Mclean]

Hi,

Just moved an  un-categorised  talk to the Flex track. I was looking a bit 
lonely in there by myself :-)

Justin

Re: Understanding the commit-then-review workflow

[Justin Mclean]

Hi,

> Ugh.  That looks garbled to me.  What exactly is a "code modification vote?"  
> Any committer should be allowed to -1 a commit (with reasons)

Any committer can vote -1 it's just not normally binding (depending on project 
guidelines), I certainly can't see it being ignored when it does happen, even a 
-1 by a user is probably trying to tell you something is up :-) There was a 
long discussion about this when we were drafting up the Apache Flex guidelines 
as the default rules are not always clear. The was an attempt to get this 
wording fixed up but not much come of it.

Thanks,
Justin

Re: Understanding the commit-then-review workflow

[Justin Mclean]

Hi,

> Typically in the Apache projects, committers (folks elected by the project 
> who have commit
> privileges) have binding vetoes. 

Actually the default is that only PMC members can veto code changes see under 
"Binding votes" from [1], but project guidelines may state otherwise.

Justin

1. http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html