RE: cordova serve broken

2013-11-13 Thread Dick Van den Brink
Issue created: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CB-5368
I tested on master and 3.2.0rc, not working in IE11, working in other browsers.
Landing page is working in all browsers.


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 Subject: Re: cordova serve broken
 Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 05:39:42 +
 
 Andrew wrote:
 Sounds issue-worthy.
 
 I think Josh added some usage messages to serve
 
 Yes, I drove changes by our team here. 
 
 (and a landing page for /),
 
 Yep, especially this 
 
 so the next release will be more user-friendly.
 
 Speaking of which, there's a release candidate available now, please try the 
 following:
 
 ‎npm install -g cordova@3.2.0-rc.1
 
 
 cordova create directory com.example.hello HelloWorld
 cd directory ‎
 cordova platform add blackberry10‎
 ‎
 cordova serve‎
 
 And then visit http://localhost:8000 in your browsers. 
 
 We're doing testing of Cordova 3.2 RC this week and I'm happy to work on 
 things that are identified. 
 
 I have OS X 10.9 and Windows 8 handy along with some VMs from modern.ie. If 
 there are browsers that should be tested, please let us know. 
 
 The landing page isn't particularly shiny as I don't usually spend time on 
 CSS. Patches or suggestions are welcome. 
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Re: cordova serve broken

2013-11-13 Thread Brian LeRoux
Thx Dick.

So, Braden/Josh: did we discuss these semantics changes on list at all or
was this just colloquially decided out off list and implemented? The latter
is not cool. If I missed the former I apologize.

I don't have a problem with this new feature per se but I don't think it
has been thoroughly discussed (regardless), and obviously it has not been
well tested (if at all).

And I do have trouble with adding stuff to an already very large project.
Do we need the new url scheme for app harness? If so, a landing page thing
makes sense, I guess. Feels like we walking into territory that belongs to
tooling like Grunt however. Could we have worked together to use the
designer resources available from other committers to make it look better
than an error state? Yes.

Mild rant time.

We have to use this list to keep everyone in the loop on the work being
done. We can help each other create solid releases with beautiful
experiences. Quietly introducing new semantics, untested, and a frankly
terrible looking experience is a step backwards and worst of all it wasn't
necessary. I am certain this was not deliberate or malicious but I do think
it sucks.

I am asking everyone here to think before you rock a large changeset, make
smaller atomic changes that are thoroughly discussed, and give everyone
here the opportunity to contribute to the effort. Each release should be an
improvement on the last.








On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 12:21 AM, Dick Van den Brink 
d_vandenbr...@outlook.com wrote:

 Issue created: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CB-5368
 I tested on master and 3.2.0rc, not working in IE11, working in other
 browsers.
 Landing page is working in all browsers.


  From: jso...@blackberry.com
  To: dev@cordova.apache.org; d_vandenbr...@outlook.com; b...@brian.io;
 timki...@gmail.com
  CC: j...@blackberry.com
  Subject: Re: cordova serve broken
  Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 05:39:42 +
 
  Andrew wrote:
  Sounds issue-worthy.
 
  I think Josh added some usage messages to serve
 
  Yes, I drove changes by our team here.
 
  (and a landing page for /),
 
  Yep, especially this
 
  so the next release will be more user-friendly.
 
  Speaking of which, there's a release candidate available now, please try
 the following:
 
  npm install -g cordova@3.2.0-rc.1
 
 
  cordova create directory com.example.hello HelloWorld
  cd directory 
  cordova platform add blackberry10
  
  cordova serve
 
  And then visit http://localhost:8000 in your browsers.
 
  We're doing testing of Cordova 3.2 RC this week and I'm happy to work on
 things that are identified.
 
  I have OS X 10.9 and Windows 8 handy along with some VMs from modern.ie.
 If there are browsers that should be tested, please let us know.
 
  The landing page isn't particularly shiny as I don't usually spend time
 on CSS. Patches or suggestions are welcome.
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Re: cordova serve broken

2013-11-13 Thread Bryan Higgins
To be fair to Josh, the semantic change was made long before he started
working on this project. He simply noticed serve was broken and sent a
patch to the list for review.


On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 11:19 AM, Brian LeRoux b...@brian.io wrote:

 Thx Dick.

 So, Braden/Josh: did we discuss these semantics changes on list at all or
 was this just colloquially decided out off list and implemented? The latter
 is not cool. If I missed the former I apologize.

 I don't have a problem with this new feature per se but I don't think it
 has been thoroughly discussed (regardless), and obviously it has not been
 well tested (if at all).

 And I do have trouble with adding stuff to an already very large project.
 Do we need the new url scheme for app harness? If so, a landing page thing
 makes sense, I guess. Feels like we walking into territory that belongs to
 tooling like Grunt however. Could we have worked together to use the
 designer resources available from other committers to make it look better
 than an error state? Yes.

 Mild rant time.

 We have to use this list to keep everyone in the loop on the work being
 done. We can help each other create solid releases with beautiful
 experiences. Quietly introducing new semantics, untested, and a frankly
 terrible looking experience is a step backwards and worst of all it wasn't
 necessary. I am certain this was not deliberate or malicious but I do think
 it sucks.

 I am asking everyone here to think before you rock a large changeset, make
 smaller atomic changes that are thoroughly discussed, and give everyone
 here the opportunity to contribute to the effort. Each release should be an
 improvement on the last.








 On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 12:21 AM, Dick Van den Brink 
 d_vandenbr...@outlook.com wrote:

  Issue created: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CB-5368
  I tested on master and 3.2.0rc, not working in IE11, working in other
  browsers.
  Landing page is working in all browsers.
 
 
   From: jso...@blackberry.com
   To: dev@cordova.apache.org; d_vandenbr...@outlook.com; b...@brian.io;
  timki...@gmail.com
   CC: j...@blackberry.com
   Subject: Re: cordova serve broken
   Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 05:39:42 +
  
   Andrew wrote:
   Sounds issue-worthy.
  
   I think Josh added some usage messages to serve
  
   Yes, I drove changes by our team here.
  
   (and a landing page for /),
  
   Yep, especially this
  
   so the next release will be more user-friendly.
  
   Speaking of which, there's a release candidate available now, please
 try
  the following:
  
   npm install -g cordova@3.2.0-rc.1
  
  
   cordova create directory com.example.hello HelloWorld
   cd directory
   cordova platform add blackberry10
  
   cordova serve
  
   And then visit http://localhost:8000 in your browsers.
  
   We're doing testing of Cordova 3.2 RC this week and I'm happy to work
 on
  things that are identified.
  
   I have OS X 10.9 and Windows 8 handy along with some VMs from
 modern.ie.
  If there are browsers that should be tested, please let us know.
  
   The landing page isn't particularly shiny as I don't usually spend time
  on CSS. Patches or suggestions are welcome.
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Re: cordova serve broken

2013-11-13 Thread Andrew Grieve
I changed it in September, and announced the change in a blog post:
http://cordova.apache.org/news/2013/09/13/last-week.html




On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 11:59 AM, Bryan Higgins br...@bryanhiggins.netwrote:

 To be fair to Josh, the semantic change was made long before he started
 working on this project. He simply noticed serve was broken and sent a
 patch to the list for review.


 On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 11:19 AM, Brian LeRoux b...@brian.io wrote:

  Thx Dick.
 
  So, Braden/Josh: did we discuss these semantics changes on list at all or
  was this just colloquially decided out off list and implemented? The
 latter
  is not cool. If I missed the former I apologize.
 
  I don't have a problem with this new feature per se but I don't think it
  has been thoroughly discussed (regardless), and obviously it has not been
  well tested (if at all).
 
  And I do have trouble with adding stuff to an already very large project.
  Do we need the new url scheme for app harness? If so, a landing page
 thing
  makes sense, I guess. Feels like we walking into territory that belongs
 to
  tooling like Grunt however. Could we have worked together to use the
  designer resources available from other committers to make it look better
  than an error state? Yes.
 
  Mild rant time.
 
  We have to use this list to keep everyone in the loop on the work being
  done. We can help each other create solid releases with beautiful
  experiences. Quietly introducing new semantics, untested, and a frankly
  terrible looking experience is a step backwards and worst of all it
 wasn't
  necessary. I am certain this was not deliberate or malicious but I do
 think
  it sucks.
 
  I am asking everyone here to think before you rock a large changeset,
 make
  smaller atomic changes that are thoroughly discussed, and give everyone
  here the opportunity to contribute to the effort. Each release should be
 an
  improvement on the last.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 12:21 AM, Dick Van den Brink 
  d_vandenbr...@outlook.com wrote:
 
   Issue created: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CB-5368
   I tested on master and 3.2.0rc, not working in IE11, working in other
   browsers.
   Landing page is working in all browsers.
  
  
From: jso...@blackberry.com
To: dev@cordova.apache.org; d_vandenbr...@outlook.com; b...@brian.io;
   timki...@gmail.com
CC: j...@blackberry.com
Subject: Re: cordova serve broken
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 05:39:42 +
   
Andrew wrote:
Sounds issue-worthy.
   
I think Josh added some usage messages to serve
   
Yes, I drove changes by our team here.
   
(and a landing page for /),
   
Yep, especially this
   
so the next release will be more user-friendly.
   
Speaking of which, there's a release candidate available now, please
  try
   the following:
   
npm install -g cordova@3.2.0-rc.1
   
   
cordova create directory com.example.hello HelloWorld
cd directory
cordova platform add blackberry10
   
cordova serve
   
And then visit http://localhost:8000 in your browsers.
   
We're doing testing of Cordova 3.2 RC this week and I'm happy to work
  on
   things that are identified.
   
I have OS X 10.9 and Windows 8 handy along with some VMs from
  modern.ie.
   If there are browsers that should be tested, please let us know.
   
The landing page isn't particularly shiny as I don't usually spend
 time
   on CSS. Patches or suggestions are welcome.
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Re: cordova serve broken

2013-11-13 Thread Andrew Grieve
To elaborate - when I made the change, serve was not documented anywhere,
and it was in a broken state (it was serving the root www/ instead of the
platform one), so I figured it wasn't really a launched feature, but
rather a work-in-progress.

With the last round of changes, we probably could consider it good enough
to start telling people to use it.


On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 2:18 PM, Andrew Grieve agri...@chromium.org wrote:

 I changed it in September, and announced the change in a blog post:
 http://cordova.apache.org/news/2013/09/13/last-week.html




 On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 11:59 AM, Bryan Higgins br...@bryanhiggins.netwrote:

 To be fair to Josh, the semantic change was made long before he started
 working on this project. He simply noticed serve was broken and sent a
 patch to the list for review.


 On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 11:19 AM, Brian LeRoux b...@brian.io wrote:

  Thx Dick.
 
  So, Braden/Josh: did we discuss these semantics changes on list at all
 or
  was this just colloquially decided out off list and implemented? The
 latter
  is not cool. If I missed the former I apologize.
 
  I don't have a problem with this new feature per se but I don't think it
  has been thoroughly discussed (regardless), and obviously it has not
 been
  well tested (if at all).
 
  And I do have trouble with adding stuff to an already very large
 project.
  Do we need the new url scheme for app harness? If so, a landing page
 thing
  makes sense, I guess. Feels like we walking into territory that belongs
 to
  tooling like Grunt however. Could we have worked together to use the
  designer resources available from other committers to make it look
 better
  than an error state? Yes.
 
  Mild rant time.
 
  We have to use this list to keep everyone in the loop on the work being
  done. We can help each other create solid releases with beautiful
  experiences. Quietly introducing new semantics, untested, and a frankly
  terrible looking experience is a step backwards and worst of all it
 wasn't
  necessary. I am certain this was not deliberate or malicious but I do
 think
  it sucks.
 
  I am asking everyone here to think before you rock a large changeset,
 make
  smaller atomic changes that are thoroughly discussed, and give everyone
  here the opportunity to contribute to the effort. Each release should
 be an
  improvement on the last.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 12:21 AM, Dick Van den Brink 
  d_vandenbr...@outlook.com wrote:
 
   Issue created: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CB-5368
   I tested on master and 3.2.0rc, not working in IE11, working in other
   browsers.
   Landing page is working in all browsers.
  
  
From: jso...@blackberry.com
To: dev@cordova.apache.org; d_vandenbr...@outlook.com; b...@brian.io;
   timki...@gmail.com
CC: j...@blackberry.com
Subject: Re: cordova serve broken
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 05:39:42 +
   
Andrew wrote:
Sounds issue-worthy.
   
I think Josh added some usage messages to serve
   
Yes, I drove changes by our team here.
   
(and a landing page for /),
   
Yep, especially this
   
so the next release will be more user-friendly.
   
Speaking of which, there's a release candidate available now, please
  try
   the following:
   
npm install -g cordova@3.2.0-rc.1
   
   
cordova create directory com.example.hello HelloWorld
cd directory
cordova platform add blackberry10
   
cordova serve
   
And then visit http://localhost:8000 in your browsers.
   
We're doing testing of Cordova 3.2 RC this week and I'm happy to
 work
  on
   things that are identified.
   
I have OS X 10.9 and Windows 8 handy along with some VMs from
  modern.ie.
   If there are browsers that should be tested, please let us know.
   
The landing page isn't particularly shiny as I don't usually spend
 time
   on CSS. Patches or suggestions are welcome.
   
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Re: cordova serve broken

2013-11-13 Thread Brian LeRoux
Cool. So that would not constitute discussion IMO. Point being: making that
change without discussion has lead to bugs and a poorer experience.
On Nov 13, 2013 11:26 AM, Andrew Grieve agri...@chromium.org wrote:

 I changed it in September, and announced the change in a blog post:
 http://cordova.apache.org/news/2013/09/13/last-week.html




 On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 11:59 AM, Bryan Higgins br...@bryanhiggins.net
 wrote:

  To be fair to Josh, the semantic change was made long before he started
  working on this project. He simply noticed serve was broken and sent a
  patch to the list for review.
 
 
  On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 11:19 AM, Brian LeRoux b...@brian.io wrote:
 
   Thx Dick.
  
   So, Braden/Josh: did we discuss these semantics changes on list at all
 or
   was this just colloquially decided out off list and implemented? The
  latter
   is not cool. If I missed the former I apologize.
  
   I don't have a problem with this new feature per se but I don't think
 it
   has been thoroughly discussed (regardless), and obviously it has not
 been
   well tested (if at all).
  
   And I do have trouble with adding stuff to an already very large
 project.
   Do we need the new url scheme for app harness? If so, a landing page
  thing
   makes sense, I guess. Feels like we walking into territory that belongs
  to
   tooling like Grunt however. Could we have worked together to use the
   designer resources available from other committers to make it look
 better
   than an error state? Yes.
  
   Mild rant time.
  
   We have to use this list to keep everyone in the loop on the work being
   done. We can help each other create solid releases with beautiful
   experiences. Quietly introducing new semantics, untested, and a frankly
   terrible looking experience is a step backwards and worst of all it
  wasn't
   necessary. I am certain this was not deliberate or malicious but I do
  think
   it sucks.
  
   I am asking everyone here to think before you rock a large changeset,
  make
   smaller atomic changes that are thoroughly discussed, and give everyone
   here the opportunity to contribute to the effort. Each release should
 be
  an
   improvement on the last.
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
   On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 12:21 AM, Dick Van den Brink 
   d_vandenbr...@outlook.com wrote:
  
Issue created: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CB-5368
I tested on master and 3.2.0rc, not working in IE11, working in other
browsers.
Landing page is working in all browsers.
   
   
 From: jso...@blackberry.com
 To: dev@cordova.apache.org; d_vandenbr...@outlook.com; b...@brian.io;
timki...@gmail.com
 CC: j...@blackberry.com
 Subject: Re: cordova serve broken
 Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 05:39:42 +

 Andrew wrote:
 Sounds issue-worthy.

 I think Josh added some usage messages to serve

 Yes, I drove changes by our team here.

 (and a landing page for /),

 Yep, especially this

 so the next release will be more user-friendly.

 Speaking of which, there's a release candidate available now,
 please
   try
the following:

 npm install -g cordova@3.2.0-rc.1


 cordova create directory com.example.hello HelloWorld
 cd directory
 cordova platform add blackberry10

 cordova serve

 And then visit http://localhost:8000 in your browsers.

 We're doing testing of Cordova 3.2 RC this week and I'm happy to
 work
   on
things that are identified.

 I have OS X 10.9 and Windows 8 handy along with some VMs from
   modern.ie.
If there are browsers that should be tested, please let us know.

 The landing page isn't particularly shiny as I don't usually spend
  time
on CSS. Patches or suggestions are welcome.

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Re: cordova serve broken

2013-11-13 Thread Josh Soref
Dick wrote:
 https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CB-5368
 I tested on master and 3.2.0rc,
 not working in IE11,
 working in other browsers.
 Landing page is working in all browsers.

Thanks. This is Andrew's bug. Specifically, the deflate path. 

Offhand, stackoverflow.com 1077869‎
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RE: cordova serve broken

2013-11-13 Thread Dick Van den Brink
Thanks for looking in to it! Hope I have some to check it today! Thanks!

Sent from my Windows Phone

From: Josh Sorefmailto:jso...@blackberry.com
Sent: ‎11/‎13/‎2013 23:35
To: Cordova Devmailto:dev@cordova.apache.org
Cc: Andrew Grievemailto:agri...@chromium.org
Subject: Re: cordova serve broken

Dick wrote:
 https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CB-5368
 I tested on master and 3.2.0rc,
 not working in IE11,
 working in other browsers.
 Landing page is working in all browsers.

Thanks. This is Andrew's bug. Specifically, the deflate path.

Offhand, stackoverflow.com 1077869‎
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Re: cordova serve broken

2013-11-12 Thread Andrew Grieve
Just synced and cordova serve seems to work fine. Brian - are you sure it's
broken?

We just had a thread on adding html5 as a platform. If we did this, would
cordova serve html5 be different from ripple's server?

On serve's side - it is actually a customized static file server, since it
has a special project.json file that is there for app harness's needs.


On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 10:37 AM, Michal Mocny mmo...@chromium.org wrote:

 Ah, I'm getting the picture.  I've only ever thought of using serve for (a)
 app harness and (b) livereload on a device.  For both those I wouldn't want
 any mocking of cordova stuff at all.

 So what Ripple brings to the table is (c) the ability to run on unsupported
 platforms via browser.

 I agree we want all these options, but I'm still not necessarily sold that
 they should all be merged.  Since I'm not doing the work, I'll trust you
 all to make the right call here!

 -Michal


 On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 9:53 AM, Brian LeRoux b...@brian.io wrote:

  During the lull in Ripple's development it definitely felt risky but the
  project has become rather active again of late. The big advantage is the
  mocking for all the Cordova specific stuff (like deviceready).
 
  We do need a lightweight option for App Harness. I believe we can treat
  Ripple as a middleware so maybe exposing this is the right way.
 
 
  On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 2:42 PM, Michal Mocny mmo...@chromium.org
 wrote:
 
   Forgive the ignorance, but, why should we be depending on ripple for
   implementing cordova serve?
  
   One advantage I see, is that we already do want to support Ripple as a
   client, and I'm deducing that Ripple has a server component which
 serves
   files, so why reinvent the wheel, lets share code, great.
  
   One disadvantage that I see, is that Ripple (the client) is not
  necessarily
   going to be used by everyone who wants to use cordova serve for e.g.
 app
   harness.  So, ripple seems like a heavy dependency just to serve files
  for
   app harness -- does it even work on all platforms we target (windows
  etc?).
I remember having issues in the past with depending on it.
  
   Just want to understand what it buys and what it costs us before we
 move
   forward.
  
   -Michal
  
  
   On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 8:54 AM, Bryan Higgins br...@bryanhiggins.net
   wrote:
  
Is there a JIRA for the serve issue? Josh recently added some content
  to
make the landing page functional.
   
Ripple integration sounds great. Gord - is there a way to make ripple
  run
chromeless for the app harness?
   
On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 7:54 AM, Gord Tanner gtan...@gmail.com
 wrote:
   
 I can code up a quick sample integration to see what cordova serve
(powered
 by ripple) would look like.




 On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 7:16 AM, Josh Soref jso...@blackberry.com
wrote:

  Brian wrote:
   Feels like we're starting to regress rather often on the CLI
  these
past
  two releases.
   This is due to not running tests (or indeed writing them).
 
   Thats fine. Stuff happens. A gentle reminder:
 
   - If there is a bug: write a test
   - If you are adding or refactoring code: run the tests
 
 
  http://wiki.apache.org/cordova/RunningTests isn't linked from
  http://wiki.apache.org/cordova/IssueWorkflow
  And the instructions in both sections are unusable.
 
  I'll try to improve both pages when I wake up.
 
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Re: cordova serve broken

2013-11-12 Thread Brian LeRoux
did you try navigating to localhost:8000?? I just updated to latest
(deployed) bits and its still broken for me

(can we start a new thread about ./platforms/html5 ?)


On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 1:12 PM, Andrew Grieve agri...@chromium.org wrote:

 Just synced and cordova serve seems to work fine. Brian - are you sure it's
 broken?

 We just had a thread on adding html5 as a platform. If we did this, would
 cordova serve html5 be different from ripple's server?

 On serve's side - it is actually a customized static file server, since it
 has a special project.json file that is there for app harness's needs.


 On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 10:37 AM, Michal Mocny mmo...@chromium.org wrote:

  Ah, I'm getting the picture.  I've only ever thought of using serve for
 (a)
  app harness and (b) livereload on a device.  For both those I wouldn't
 want
  any mocking of cordova stuff at all.
 
  So what Ripple brings to the table is (c) the ability to run on
 unsupported
  platforms via browser.
 
  I agree we want all these options, but I'm still not necessarily sold
 that
  they should all be merged.  Since I'm not doing the work, I'll trust you
  all to make the right call here!
 
  -Michal
 
 
  On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 9:53 AM, Brian LeRoux b...@brian.io wrote:
 
   During the lull in Ripple's development it definitely felt risky but
 the
   project has become rather active again of late. The big advantage is
 the
   mocking for all the Cordova specific stuff (like deviceready).
  
   We do need a lightweight option for App Harness. I believe we can treat
   Ripple as a middleware so maybe exposing this is the right way.
  
  
   On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 2:42 PM, Michal Mocny mmo...@chromium.org
  wrote:
  
Forgive the ignorance, but, why should we be depending on ripple for
implementing cordova serve?
   
One advantage I see, is that we already do want to support Ripple as
 a
client, and I'm deducing that Ripple has a server component which
  serves
files, so why reinvent the wheel, lets share code, great.
   
One disadvantage that I see, is that Ripple (the client) is not
   necessarily
going to be used by everyone who wants to use cordova serve for e.g.
  app
harness.  So, ripple seems like a heavy dependency just to serve
 files
   for
app harness -- does it even work on all platforms we target (windows
   etc?).
 I remember having issues in the past with depending on it.
   
Just want to understand what it buys and what it costs us before we
  move
forward.
   
-Michal
   
   
On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 8:54 AM, Bryan Higgins 
 br...@bryanhiggins.net
wrote:
   
 Is there a JIRA for the serve issue? Josh recently added some
 content
   to
 make the landing page functional.

 Ripple integration sounds great. Gord - is there a way to make
 ripple
   run
 chromeless for the app harness?

 On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 7:54 AM, Gord Tanner gtan...@gmail.com
  wrote:

  I can code up a quick sample integration to see what cordova
 serve
 (powered
  by ripple) would look like.
 
 
 
 
  On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 7:16 AM, Josh Soref 
 jso...@blackberry.com
 wrote:
 
   Brian wrote:
Feels like we're starting to regress rather often on the CLI
   these
 past
   two releases.
This is due to not running tests (or indeed writing them).
  
Thats fine. Stuff happens. A gentle reminder:
  
- If there is a bug: write a test
- If you are adding or refactoring code: run the tests
  
  
   http://wiki.apache.org/cordova/RunningTests isn't linked from
   http://wiki.apache.org/cordova/IssueWorkflow
   And the instructions in both sections are unusable.
  
   I'll try to improve both pages when I wake up.
  
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Re: cordova serve broken

2013-11-12 Thread Josh Soref
Brian wrote:
 did you try navigating to localhost:8000??
 I just updated to latest (deployed) bits and its still broken for me
 (can we start a new thread about ./platforms/html5 ?)

Jenny is testing cordova-cli @master (git fetch¹d today), and we¹re using
cordova-blackberry@3.2.x (git fetch¹d today).

She did:
cordova create 'A new App' a b
cd 'A new App¹
cordova platform add blackberry10

cordova serve

And then saw:

Static file server running on port 8000 (i.e. http://localhost:8000)
CTRL + C to shut down

And then when we visited http://localhost:8000, we saw a page with
³Package Metadata², there¹s a link for ³blackberry10² and Š well, that¹s
my definition of ³working².

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Re: cordova serve broken

2013-11-12 Thread Brian LeRoux
My definition of working is deployed not 'works on my machine'. =)

I'm not comfortable pushing just this. Steve and/or Braden: are we stable
to push a release now that this is apparently fixed?


On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 1:54 PM, Josh Soref jso...@blackberry.com wrote:

 Brian wrote:
  did you try navigating to localhost:8000??
  I just updated to latest (deployed) bits and its still broken for me
  (can we start a new thread about ./platforms/html5 ?)

 Jenny is testing cordova-cli @master (git fetch¹d today), and we¹re using
 cordova-blackberry@3.2.x (git fetch¹d today).

 She did:
 cordova create 'A new App' a b
 cd 'A new App¹
 cordova platform add blackberry10

 cordova serve

 And then saw:

 Static file server running on port 8000 (i.e. http://localhost:8000)
 CTRL + C to shut down

 And then when we visited http://localhost:8000, we saw a page with
 ³Package Metadata², there¹s a link for ³blackberry10² and Š well, that¹s
 my definition of ³working².

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Re: cordova serve broken

2013-11-12 Thread Tim Kim
Ya the cordova serve command isn't working for me either.

Just did these steps:
npm install cordova -g
cordova create foo
cd foo
cordova platform add ios
cordova serve ios
// says it's now serving on http://0.0.0.0:8000/
// browse to localhost:8000
// see '404 Not Found'




On 12 November 2013 14:04, Brian LeRoux b...@brian.io wrote:

 My definition of working is deployed not 'works on my machine'. =)

 I'm not comfortable pushing just this. Steve and/or Braden: are we stable
 to push a release now that this is apparently fixed?


 On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 1:54 PM, Josh Soref jso...@blackberry.com wrote:

  Brian wrote:
   did you try navigating to localhost:8000??
   I just updated to latest (deployed) bits and its still broken for me
   (can we start a new thread about ./platforms/html5 ?)
 
  Jenny is testing cordova-cli @master (git fetch¹d today), and we¹re using
  cordova-blackberry@3.2.x (git fetch¹d today).
 
  She did:
  cordova create 'A new App' a b
  cd 'A new App¹
  cordova platform add blackberry10
 
  cordova serve
 
  And then saw:
 
  Static file server running on port 8000 (i.e. http://localhost:8000)
  CTRL + C to shut down
 
  And then when we visited http://localhost:8000, we saw a page with
  ³Package Metadata², there¹s a link for ³blackberry10² and Š well, that¹s
  my definition of ³working².
 
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Re: cordova serve broken

2013-11-12 Thread Shazron
I confirm Tim's results (but this was 3.1.0-0.1.0), haven't tried 3.2 rc1
yet.


Re: cordova serve broken

2013-11-12 Thread Shazron
cordova cli 3.2.0-rc.1 -- cordova serve works fine on iOS


On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 2:14 PM, Shazron shaz...@gmail.com wrote:

 I confirm Tim's results (but this was 3.1.0-0.1.0), haven't tried 3.2 rc1
 yet.




Re: cordova serve broken

2013-11-12 Thread Brian LeRoux
weird. this is working?


On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 2:23 PM, Shazron shaz...@gmail.com wrote:

 cordova cli 3.2.0-rc.1 -- cordova serve works fine on iOS


 On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 2:14 PM, Shazron shaz...@gmail.com wrote:

  I confirm Tim's results (but this was 3.1.0-0.1.0), haven't tried 3.2 rc1
  yet.
 
 



Re: cordova serve broken

2013-11-12 Thread Braden Shepherdson
I think people are not aware that the semantics of the serve command
changed a while ago.

The correct steps now are:
- run cordova serve, with no platform named.
- go to http://localhost:8000/android or some other platform you have
installed
- it works, you can fetch the various assets. Cordova plugins aren't going
to work, deviceready won't fire, etc.


On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 5:38 PM, Brian LeRoux b...@brian.io wrote:

 weird. this is working?


 On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 2:23 PM, Shazron shaz...@gmail.com wrote:

 cordova cli 3.2.0-rc.1 -- cordova serve works fine on iOS


 On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 2:14 PM, Shazron shaz...@gmail.com wrote:

  I confirm Tim's results (but this was 3.1.0-0.1.0), haven't tried 3.2
 rc1
  yet.
 
 





Re: cordova serve broken

2013-11-12 Thread Brian LeRoux
Ok. I must have missed the thread where that was discussed. (?)

Seems to me we should get some design on that unstyled dashboard page b/c
it was completely unclear to me what to do. I thought it was an an error
state.



On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 2:55 PM, Braden Shepherdson bra...@chromium.orgwrote:

 I think people are not aware that the semantics of the serve command
 changed a while ago.

 The correct steps now are:
 - run cordova serve, with no platform named.
 - go to http://localhost:8000/android or some other platform you have
 installed
 - it works, you can fetch the various assets. Cordova plugins aren't going
 to work, deviceready won't fire, etc.


 On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 5:38 PM, Brian LeRoux b...@brian.io wrote:

  weird. this is working?
 
 
  On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 2:23 PM, Shazron shaz...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  cordova cli 3.2.0-rc.1 -- cordova serve works fine on iOS
 
 
  On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 2:14 PM, Shazron shaz...@gmail.com wrote:
 
   I confirm Tim's results (but this was 3.1.0-0.1.0), haven't tried 3.2
  rc1
   yet.
  
  
 
 
 



Re: cordova serve broken

2013-11-12 Thread Dick Van den Brink
I don't think it is working either on master. 

Console is giving me a status 200 on /windows8/www/index.html but with an empty 
response body.

It's giving me a 404 when the page doesn't exists so that seems to be fine.

Note: I'm testing this on a Windows machine.






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I think people are not aware that the semantics of the serve command
changed a while ago.

The correct steps now are:
- run cordova serve, with no platform named.
- go to http://localhost:8000/android or some other platform you have
installed
- it works, you can fetch the various assets. Cordova plugins aren't going
to work, deviceready won't fire, etc.


On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 5:38 PM, Brian LeRoux b...@brian.io wrote:

 weird. this is working?


 On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 2:23 PM, Shazron shaz...@gmail.com wrote:

 cordova cli 3.2.0-rc.1 -- cordova serve works fine on iOS


 On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 2:14 PM, Shazron shaz...@gmail.com wrote:

  I confirm Tim's results (but this was 3.1.0-0.1.0), haven't tried 3.2
 rc1
  yet.
 
 




Re: cordova serve broken

2013-11-12 Thread Dick Van den Brink
Did some testing, it isn't working on IE11, it does work on PaleMoon (Firefox).



So it is a bit weird because the landing page is working on IE11… Shall I 
create an issue for it?

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I don't think it is working either on master. 

Console is giving me a status 200 on /windows8/www/index.html but with an empty 
response body.

It's giving me a 404 when the page doesn't exists so that seems to be fine.

Note: I'm testing this on a Windows machine.






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I think people are not aware that the semantics of the serve command
changed a while ago.

The correct steps now are:
- run cordova serve, with no platform named.
- go to http://localhost:8000/android or some other platform you have
installed
- it works, you can fetch the various assets. Cordova plugins aren't going
to work, deviceready won't fire, etc.


On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 5:38 PM, Brian LeRoux b...@brian.io wrote:

 weird. this is working?


 On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 2:23 PM, Shazron shaz...@gmail.com wrote:

 cordova cli 3.2.0-rc.1 -- cordova serve works fine on iOS


 On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 2:14 PM, Shazron shaz...@gmail.com wrote:

  I confirm Tim's results (but this was 3.1.0-0.1.0), haven't tried 3.2
 rc1
  yet.
 
 




Re: cordova serve broken

2013-11-12 Thread Andrew Grieve
Sounds issue-worthy.

I think Josh added some usage messages to serve (and a landing page for /),
so the next release will be more user-friendly.


On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 6:10 PM, Dick Van den Brink 
d_vandenbr...@outlook.com wrote:

 Did some testing, it isn't working on IE11, it does work on PaleMoon
 (Firefox).



 So it is a bit weird because the landing page is working on IE11… Shall I
 create an issue for it?

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 I don't think it is working either on master.

 Console is giving me a status 200 on /windows8/www/index.html but with an
 empty response body.

 It's giving me a 404 when the page doesn't exists so that seems to be fine.

 Note: I'm testing this on a Windows machine.






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 I think people are not aware that the semantics of the serve command
 changed a while ago.

 The correct steps now are:
 - run cordova serve, with no platform named.
 - go to http://localhost:8000/android or some other platform you have
 installed
 - it works, you can fetch the various assets. Cordova plugins aren't going
 to work, deviceready won't fire, etc.


 On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 5:38 PM, Brian LeRoux b...@brian.io wrote:

  weird. this is working?
 
 
  On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 2:23 PM, Shazron shaz...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  cordova cli 3.2.0-rc.1 -- cordova serve works fine on iOS
 
 
  On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 2:14 PM, Shazron shaz...@gmail.com wrote:
 
   I confirm Tim's results (but this was 3.1.0-0.1.0), haven't tried 3.2
  rc1
   yet.
  
  
 
 
 



Re: cordova serve broken

2013-11-12 Thread Josh Soref
Andrew wrote:
 Sounds issue-worthy.

 I think Josh added some usage messages to serve

Yes, I drove changes by our team here. 

 (and a landing page for /),

Yep, especially this 

 so the next release will be more user-friendly.

Speaking of which, there's a release candidate available now, please try the 
following:

‎npm install -g cordova@3.2.0-rc.1


cordova create directory com.example.hello HelloWorld
cd directory ‎
cordova platform add blackberry10‎
‎
cordova serve‎

And then visit http://localhost:8000 in your browsers. 

We're doing testing of Cordova 3.2 RC this week and I'm happy to work on things 
that are identified. 

I have OS X 10.9 and Windows 8 handy along with some VMs from modern.ie. If 
there are browsers that should be tested, please let us know. 

The landing page isn't particularly shiny as I don't usually spend time on CSS. 
Patches or suggestions are welcome. 
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Re: cordova serve broken

2013-11-07 Thread Brian LeRoux
Also: wonder if it is time to revisit this as just Ripple. The new version
of Ripple is pretty awesome.




On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 11:54 AM, Brian LeRoux b...@brian.io wrote:

 Feels like we're starting to regress rather often on the CLI these past
 two releases. This is due to not running tests (or indeed writing them).

 Thats fine. Stuff happens. A gentle reminder:

 - If there is a bug: write a test
 - If you are adding or refactoring code: run the tests

 That is all.





Re: cordova serve broken

2013-11-07 Thread Josh Soref
Brian wrote:
 Feels like we're starting to regress rather often on the CLI these past two 
 releases.
 This is due to not running tests (or indeed writing them).

 Thats fine. Stuff happens. A gentle reminder:

 - If there is a bug: write a test
 - If you are adding or refactoring code: run the tests


http://wiki.apache.org/cordova/RunningTests isn't linked from 
http://wiki.apache.org/cordova/IssueWorkflow
And the instructions in both sections are unusable. 

I'll try to improve both pages when I wake up. 
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Re: cordova serve broken

2013-11-07 Thread Gord Tanner
I can code up a quick sample integration to see what cordova serve (powered
by ripple) would look like.




On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 7:16 AM, Josh Soref jso...@blackberry.com wrote:

 Brian wrote:
  Feels like we're starting to regress rather often on the CLI these past
 two releases.
  This is due to not running tests (or indeed writing them).

  Thats fine. Stuff happens. A gentle reminder:

  - If there is a bug: write a test
  - If you are adding or refactoring code: run the tests


 http://wiki.apache.org/cordova/RunningTests isn't linked from
 http://wiki.apache.org/cordova/IssueWorkflow
 And the instructions in both sections are unusable.

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Re: cordova serve broken

2013-11-07 Thread Bryan Higgins
Is there a JIRA for the serve issue? Josh recently added some content to
make the landing page functional.

Ripple integration sounds great. Gord - is there a way to make ripple run
chromeless for the app harness?

On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 7:54 AM, Gord Tanner gtan...@gmail.com wrote:

 I can code up a quick sample integration to see what cordova serve (powered
 by ripple) would look like.




 On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 7:16 AM, Josh Soref jso...@blackberry.com wrote:

  Brian wrote:
   Feels like we're starting to regress rather often on the CLI these past
  two releases.
   This is due to not running tests (or indeed writing them).
 
   Thats fine. Stuff happens. A gentle reminder:
 
   - If there is a bug: write a test
   - If you are adding or refactoring code: run the tests
 
 
  http://wiki.apache.org/cordova/RunningTests isn't linked from
  http://wiki.apache.org/cordova/IssueWorkflow
  And the instructions in both sections are unusable.
 
  I'll try to improve both pages when I wake up.
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Re: cordova serve broken

2013-11-07 Thread Carlos Santana
Gord Can you make shareable branch I want to contribute to effort also.

In addition of serving with ripple I would like to implement watch and
livereload for serve as user changes files in Project/www/ it calls
prepare and sends a livereload event to browser.



On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 8:54 AM, Bryan Higgins br...@bryanhiggins.netwrote:

 Is there a JIRA for the serve issue? Josh recently added some content to
 make the landing page functional.

 Ripple integration sounds great. Gord - is there a way to make ripple run
 chromeless for the app harness?

 On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 7:54 AM, Gord Tanner gtan...@gmail.com wrote:

  I can code up a quick sample integration to see what cordova serve
 (powered
  by ripple) would look like.
 
 
 
 
  On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 7:16 AM, Josh Soref jso...@blackberry.com
 wrote:
 
   Brian wrote:
Feels like we're starting to regress rather often on the CLI these
 past
   two releases.
This is due to not running tests (or indeed writing them).
  
Thats fine. Stuff happens. A gentle reminder:
  
- If there is a bug: write a test
- If you are adding or refactoring code: run the tests
  
  
   http://wiki.apache.org/cordova/RunningTests isn't linked from
   http://wiki.apache.org/cordova/IssueWorkflow
   And the instructions in both sections are unusable.
  
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