Re: [VOTE] mod_ftp for HTTP Server Project
Final Tally: +1 (binding): Jim Jagielski Sander Striker Roy T. Fielding Rich Bowen Paul Querna Geoffrey Young Brian Pane Bill Stoddard Justin Erenkrantz William Rowe Graham Leggett Jeff Trawick +1 (non-binding): Colm MacCárthaigh Mladen Turk Jeff McAdams Sander Temme -1 (binding): None -1 (non-binding): Paul Houle
mod_ftp for incubation PASSES (Was: Re: [VOTE] mod_ftp for HTTP Server Project)
On Jul 7, 2005, at 2:26 PM, Jim Jagielski wrote: I volunteer as Champion. I therefore Call A Vote on whether we should support mod_ftp for inclusion into the Incubator and if we should accept mod_ftp upon graduation from the Incubator. Now that vacation and other offline activities are done, I'm finishing this up. I saw no (binding) -1 votes and numerous +1 votes (both binding and non). As such, I declare the vote as passing. I will not propose mod_ftp to the Incubator. Thanks to all for the votes and feedback!
Re: [VOTE] mod_ftp for HTTP Server Project
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I haven't checked how good they work personally, but there are several open > source FTPS servers > like proftpd and vsftpd: > http://www.proftpd.org/ > http://vsftpd.beasts.org/ Hrmm...ok...and we use vsftpd...interesting, I didn't realize it supported it. I do remember, now, why we don't support FTPS, and it wasn't because of the (perceived) lack of servers...our load-balancing system doesn't support it. Well, regardless...mod_ftp could lead to FTPS support in Apache, which could be a good thing in any case. :) -- Jeff McAdams "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
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Jeff McAdams wrote: > I could easily see this resulting > in FTPS support finally being available in open source. Not that I'm a > big fan of FTPS in general, but not having an FTPS server available in > the open source world is something of a gap that probably should be filled. I haven't checked how good they work personally, but there are several open source FTPS servers like proftpd and vsftpd: http://www.proftpd.org/ http://vsftpd.beasts.org/ Regards Rüdiger
Re: [VOTE] mod_ftp for HTTP Server Project
Jeff Trawick wrote: On 7/7/05, Jim Jagielski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I therefore Call A Vote on whether we should support mod_ftp for inclusion into the Incubator and if we should accept mod_ftp upon graduation from the Incubator. +1 (not that you need any more votes) FTP can be crufty, but ftp clients are everywhere, and for that reason it is useful to provide ftp as a way to get at data without a hassle, particularly on random boxes where you don't want to worry if client software for more "modern" protocols is already installed/configured. I'm not an ASF member...and I'm not sure what in this message triggered this thought, but...for what its worth. I'm glad to see this work as well. Just to throw out another potential benefit down the road of this work. I could easily see this resulting in FTPS support finally being available in open source. Not that I'm a big fan of FTPS in general, but not having an FTPS server available in the open source world is something of a gap that probably should be filled. -- Jeff McAdams "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [VOTE] mod_ftp for HTTP Server Project
On Jul 7, 2005, at 11:26 AM, Jim Jagielski wrote: I therefore Call A Vote on whether we should support mod_ftp for inclusion into the Incubator and if we should accept mod_ftp upon graduation from the Incubator. +1 S. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.temme.net/sander/ PGP FP: 51B4 8727 466A 0BC3 69F4 B7B8 B2BE BC40 1529 24AF smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature
Re: [VOTE] mod_ftp for HTTP Server Project
On 7/7/05, Jim Jagielski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I therefore Call A Vote on whether we should support mod_ftp for > inclusion into the Incubator and if we should accept mod_ftp upon > graduation from the Incubator. +1 (not that you need any more votes) FTP can be crufty, but ftp clients are everywhere, and for that reason it is useful to provide ftp as a way to get at data without a hassle, particularly on random boxes where you don't want to worry if client software for more "modern" protocols is already installed/configured.
Re: [VOTE] mod_ftp for HTTP Server Project
Jim Jagielski wrote: I therefore Call A Vote on whether we should support mod_ftp for inclusion into the Incubator and if we should accept mod_ftp upon graduation from the Incubator. +1 Regards, Graham --
Re: [VOTE] mod_ftp for HTTP Server Project
At 01:26 PM 7/7/2005, Jim Jagielski wrote: >I therefore Call A Vote on whether we should support mod_ftp for >inclusion into the Incubator and if we should accept mod_ftp upon >graduation from the Incubator. ++1 I see this more valuable to httpd as a case study in alternate protocols than the ftp: scheme it offers. Until we have several modules, mod_snmp, mod_ftp, etc, we will never truly recognize where we must divide connection from resource from request. Some have asked if there is anything more to do. Others asked if it would support -x- (caching, content, whatever). Resources are served as sub-requests of the 'connection' (login) request. So they can contain anything, be cached or not, etc. The entire gamut of what you can serve from http: flows to ftp: But certainly more can be done. The request model in an httpd 2.2 or 2.4 version can become much cleaner, as we better divide the components of httpd. Bill
Re: [VOTE] mod_ftp for HTTP Server Project
On Thu, Jul 07, 2005 at 02:26:13PM -0400, Jim Jagielski wrote: > I therefore Call A Vote on whether we should support mod_ftp for > inclusion into the Incubator and if we should accept mod_ftp upon > graduation from the Incubator. +1. -- justin
Re: [VOTE] mod_ftp for HTTP Server Project
Jim Jagielski wrote: I therefore Call A Vote on whether we should support mod_ftp for inclusion into the Incubator and if we should accept mod_ftp upon graduation from the Incubator. +1 Bill
Re: [VOTE] mod_ftp for HTTP Server Project
On Jul 8, 2005, at 5:45 AM, Colm MacCarthaigh wrote: And then, on top of this, I'd love for the ftp module to be able to serve content from a proxy backend. So that I can run a decent reverse proxy FTP server - but loadbalanced and using HTTP as the retrieval mechanism. Actually, an FTP Proxy Server is one main improvement to mod_ftp that is an obvious one, at least imo.
Re: [VOTE] mod_ftp for HTTP Server Project
Jim Jagielski wrote: > Now that Covalent has released it's ERS 3.0 distribution, mod_ftp is now > officially offered for donation/incubation/graduation to the ASF. sounds like fun > The entire code-base, including Perl test scripts for inclusion in > httpd-test, > is available and ready for donation into the ASF svn repos. if help, mentoring, or other foo is needed on the httpd-test front I'm more than willing to donate whatever time or assistance is needed. > I therefore Call A Vote on whether we should support mod_ftp for > inclusion into the Incubator and if we should accept mod_ftp upon > graduation from the Incubator. +1 --Geoff
Re: [VOTE] mod_ftp for HTTP Server Project
On Fri, Jul 08, 2005 at 02:16:27AM -0700, Paul Querna wrote: > IPv6, pretty sure it does. Cool :) > mod_cache is a no. Not sure it could, at least in the current > incaration of mod_cache, since the actual caching of files is so tied to > HTTP Headers. I've been looking at it over the last while, for hacking it into mod_ftpd. Caching FTP transfers should definitely be possible, with only a little bit of generalisation to mod_cache neccessary. What would be really useful for me though, and what I've been looking at is having an interoperable cache, so that if someone downloads a file using HTTP and it's in the cache, when an FTP request comes in for the same file - it is served from the cache. I realise it's crazy, but there's more information in the cache than FTP actually needs, so it is possible. How ugly the solution might be is another thing. And then, on top of this, I'd love for the ftp module to be able to serve content from a proxy backend. So that I can run a decent reverse proxy FTP server - but loadbalanced and using HTTP as the retrieval mechanism. It may only be useful to people like me who run mirror servers and have to make a lot of content available over ftp and http, and need scalability for that content delivery, but there's enough possible benefit for me to justify some of my time trying to add those features :) -- Colm MacCárthaighPublic Key: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [VOTE] mod_ftp for HTTP Server Project
Colm MacCarthaigh wrote: On Thu, Jul 07, 2005 at 03:49:39PM -0400, Jim Jagielski wrote: Is there anything left for the community to work on? Or rather, do you think there is enough to do to attract a few (new) developers? Yes, on both counts :) Does it currently support IPv6, mod_cache? (I realise that second one is less likely). IPv6, pretty sure it does. mod_cache is a no. Not sure it could, at least in the current incaration of mod_cache, since the actual caching of files is so tied to HTTP Headers. -Paul
Re: [VOTE] mod_ftp for HTTP Server Project
On Thu, Jul 07, 2005 at 03:49:39PM -0400, Jim Jagielski wrote: > >Is there anything left for the community to work on? Or rather, do > >you think there is enough to do to attract a few (new) developers? > > > > Yes, on both counts :) Does it currently support IPv6, mod_cache? (I realise that second one is less likely). -- Colm MacCárthaighPublic Key: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [VOTE] mod_ftp for HTTP Server Project
Jim Jagielski wrote: I therefore Call A Vote on whether we should support mod_ftp for inclusion into the Incubator and if we should accept mod_ftp upon graduation from the Incubator. +1 Regards, Mladen.
Re: [VOTE] mod_ftp for HTTP Server Project
On Jul 7, 2005, at 11:26 AM, Jim Jagielski wrote: I therefore Call A Vote on whether we should support mod_ftp for inclusion into the Incubator and if we should accept mod_ftp upon graduation from the Incubator. +1 Brian
Re: [VOTE] mod_ftp for HTTP Server Project
Jim Jagielski wrote: > I therefore Call A Vote on whether we should support mod_ftp for > inclusion into the Incubator and if we should accept mod_ftp upon > graduation from the Incubator. +1, I think this is a great addition to the httpd project, and would love to help with the Incubation. -Paul
Re: [VOTE] mod_ftp for HTTP Server Project
> I therefore Call A Vote on whether we should support mod_ftp for > inclusion into the Incubator and if we should accept mod_ftp upon > graduation from the Incubator. +1. Having an "integrated" FTP server makes sense when Apache HTTPd is measured up against IIS.
Re: [VOTE] mod_ftp for HTTP Server Project
This is a code donation, using well-established ASF procedures, in the interests of having that codebase become part of the ASF HTTP Server Project, either bundled in with httpd or via a "subproject". No idea what you mean by "abandoned" code nor "support"... I would suggest you look into the Incubator Project, which is how we import external codebases and build a community around them. On Jul 7, 2005, at 4:37 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is this just a code dump... or are the Covalent authors promising to support it and help adapt it to ( Non-Covalent Apache ) needs? There's already an awful lot of Covalent sponsored code in Apache 2.0 that was 'abandoned' by the original authors. I believe any code submission to Apache requires at least some clarification about "support". Kevin Kiley In a message dated 7/7/2005 2:49:51 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Jul 7, 2005, at 3:19 PM, Sander Striker wrote: > > Is there anything left for the community to work on? Or rather, do > you > think there is enough to do to attract a few (new) developers? > Yes, on both counts :)
Re: [VOTE] mod_ftp for HTTP Server Project
I therefore Call A Vote on whether we should support mod_ftp for inclusion into the Incubator and if we should accept mod_ftp upon graduation from the Incubator. +1 Roy
Re: [VOTE] mod_ftp for HTTP Server Project
Jim Jagielski wrote: I therefore Call A Vote on whether we should support mod_ftp for inclusion into the Incubator and if we should accept mod_ftp upon graduation from the Incubator. I don't know if I get a vote, but it's -1 This would have been an exciting project in 1989, but ftp doesn't work well with today's internet.: today it's just a way to make systems that "just don't work" for people.
Re: [VOTE] mod_ftp for HTTP Server Project
Is this just a code dump... or are the Covalent authors promising to support it and help adapt it to ( Non-Covalent Apache ) needs? There's already an awful lot of Covalent sponsored code in Apache 2.0 that was 'abandoned' by the original authors. I believe any code submission to Apache requires at least some clarification about "support". Kevin Kiley In a message dated 7/7/2005 2:49:51 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Jul 7, 2005, at 3:19 PM, Sander Striker wrote:>> Is there anything left for the community to work on? Or rather, do > you> think there is enough to do to attract a few (new) developers?>Yes, on both counts :)
Re: [VOTE] mod_ftp for HTTP Server Project
On Jul 7, 2005, at 3:19 PM, Sander Striker wrote: Is there anything left for the community to work on? Or rather, do you think there is enough to do to attract a few (new) developers? Yes, on both counts :)
Re: [VOTE] mod_ftp for HTTP Server Project
Jim Jagielski wrote: Now that Covalent has released it's ERS 3.0 distribution, mod_ftp is now officially offered for donation/incubation/graduation to the ASF. mod_ftp (previously Covalent FTP) is an Apache 2.0 Protocol Module which implements FTP (RFCs 959, 1123, 2228, 2389), including such features as FTP over SSL, jailing logged-in users, extended logging, firewall awareness and limiting logins. As Covalent FTP, it has been used by numerous well-known F500 companies, and is such a real-world protocol module, and not simply an academic exercise (this is not a comment on any other protocol modules in existence, but a statement to ensure that the module has been used and tested in real-world environments by major clients). The entire code-base, including Perl test scripts for inclusion in httpd-test, is available and ready for donation into the ASF svn repos. Is there anything left for the community to work on? Or rather, do you think there is enough to do to attract a few (new) developers? Assuming the answer is yes: I therefore Call A Vote on whether we should support mod_ftp for inclusion into the Incubator and if we should accept mod_ftp upon graduation from the Incubator. +1. Sander
[VOTE] mod_ftp for HTTP Server Project
Now that Covalent has released it's ERS 3.0 distribution, mod_ftp is now officially offered for donation/incubation/graduation to the ASF. mod_ftp (previously Covalent FTP) is an Apache 2.0 Protocol Module which implements FTP (RFCs 959, 1123, 2228, 2389), including such features as FTP over SSL, jailing logged-in users, extended logging, firewall awareness and limiting logins. As Covalent FTP, it has been used by numerous well-known F500 companies, and is such a real-world protocol module, and not simply an academic exercise (this is not a comment on any other protocol modules in existence, but a statement to ensure that the module has been used and tested in real-world environments by major clients). The entire code-base, including Perl test scripts for inclusion in httpd-test, is available and ready for donation into the ASF svn repos. I volunteer as Champion. I therefore Call A Vote on whether we should support mod_ftp for inclusion into the Incubator and if we should accept mod_ftp upon graduation from the Incubator.
