Re: Oxygen icons for Apache
On Saturday 24 April 2010 16:07:54 Guenter Knauf wrote: Hi Javier. Javier Llorente schrieb: I have just talked with Pinheiro and he told me that the Oxygen icons are no longer dual-licensed. They're under the LGPL only, so they cannot be part of Apache. However, distributions can still make them the default icons. That's good enough :) maybe you can also add an alternate icon for the [back] link? I would prefer something like this: http://people.apache.org/~fuankg/.dirup.gif instead of the usual: http://people.apache.org/icons/back.gif or yours (which is already nicer, agreed): http://www.javierllorente.com/icons/up.png not as replacement, just as alternate back icon You want me to create a back icon of that style? There's a similar icon, however it's used for the symlinks (folder+arrow). what I miss with your icons is one for .zip; and some for .md5, .sha?, and .asc would also be nice ... I have icons for zip and asc already. Not for md5 and sha. I can try creating those. then it would also be helpful if you could provide an icon sheet with all icons, just as what we ship with httpd: http://people.apache.org/icons/icon.sheet.png OK, I will do so. oh, and do you also offer an archive with all icons packed together? It's available on the Build Service: https://build.opensuse.org/package/show?package=apache2-icons- oxygenproject=Apache (requires BS account) I have also uploaded it to http://www.javierllorente.com/tmp/ Greetings, -- Javier Llorente signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: Oxygen icons for Apache
Hi Javier. Javier Llorente schrieb: I have just talked with Pinheiro and he told me that the Oxygen icons are no longer dual-licensed. They're under the LGPL only, so they cannot be part of Apache. However, distributions can still make them the default icons. That's good enough :) maybe you can also add an alternate icon for the [back] link? I would prefer something like this: http://people.apache.org/~fuankg/.dirup.gif instead of the usual: http://people.apache.org/icons/back.gif or yours (which is already nicer, agreed): http://www.javierllorente.com/icons/up.png not as replacement, just as alternate back icon what I miss with your icons is one for .zip; and some for .md5, .sha?, and .asc would also be nice ... then it would also be helpful if you could provide an icon sheet with all icons, just as what we ship with httpd: http://people.apache.org/icons/icon.sheet.png oh, and do you also offer an archive with all icons packed together? thanks, Gün.
Re: Oxygen icons for Apache
On Wednesday 21 April 2010 23:24:57 Javier Llorente wrote: Here's a more detailed explanation of my situation: I have hand picked some Oxygen icons, adapted (modified) some Oxygen and Crystal icons, and created the configuration README. The Oxygen icons are under both LGPL and CC-by-SA Quoting http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/ [...] Share Alike — If you alter, transform, or build upon this work, you may distribute the resulting work only under the same, similar or a compatible license. It seems to me that the cc-by-sa is ok in this case. I could re-license my collection to have it under the Apache license. The Crystal icons are under the LGPL (only, no dual licensing from what I've read). So I understand that here lies the problem. I could look for a solution like replacing them (they're just a few). Another possibility could be having distributions (if they choose to do so) shipping Apache with this collection of icons enabled by default. But I prefer contributing my grain of salt upstream so that anyone can use it, regardless of the distribution. BTW, thanks a lot for you explanation on licensing :) I have just talked with Pinheiro and he told me that the Oxygen icons are no longer dual-licensed. They're under the LGPL only, so they cannot be part of Apache. However, distributions can still make them the default icons. That's good enough :) Greetings, -- Javier Llorente signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: Oxygen icons for Apache
On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 4:44 PM, Javier Llorente jav...@opensuse.org wrote: Hello, Apache's current icons are a bit out-of-date, so I've created a collection of icons for Apache; it has oxygen+crystal+custom icons, a config file and a README. Perhaps it could be included in Apache, so that sys admins have another option :-) You can see it live at http://www.javierllorente.com/tmp/ The package apache2-icons-oxygen is already part of the openSUSE Apache subproject rpm and src.rpm packages for CentOS, Fedora, RHEL, SLE and openSUSE can be found at http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/Apache/ The source files are located on the Build Service: https://build.opensuse.org/package/show?package=apache2-icons- oxygenproject=Apache Comments and suggestions are welcome! Greetings, -- Javier Llorente Oooh, pretty - what license are you releasing them under? Cheers Tom
Re: Oxygen icons for Apache
On Apr 21, 2010, at 11:44 AM, Javier Llorente wrote: Apache's current icons are a bit out-of-date, so I've created a collection of icons for Apache; it has oxygen+crystal+custom icons, a config file and a README. Perhaps it could be included in Apache, so that sys admins have another option :-) You can see it live at http://www.javierllorente.com/tmp/ +1 Am I correct in understanding that you're donating these to the Apache HTTP Server project, or that they're under a license that permits us to redistribute them? -- Rich Bowen rbo...@rcbowen.com
Re: Oxygen icons for Apache
Hi! I would definetly like to see them in the official release. Yours, Aron Szabo pointless.hu On 04/21/2010 05:44 PM, Javier Llorente wrote: Hello, Apache's current icons are a bit out-of-date, so I've created a collection of icons for Apache; it has oxygen+crystal+custom icons, a config file and a README. Perhaps it could be included in Apache, so that sys admins have another option :-) You can see it live at http://www.javierllorente.com/tmp/ The package apache2-icons-oxygen is already part of the openSUSE Apache subproject rpm and src.rpm packages for CentOS, Fedora, RHEL, SLE and openSUSE can be found at http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/Apache/ The source files are located on the Build Service: https://build.opensuse.org/package/show?package=apache2-icons- oxygenproject=Apache Comments and suggestions are welcome! Greetings,
Re: Oxygen icons for Apache
On Wednesday 21 April 2010 17:50:41 Rich Bowen wrote: On Apr 21, 2010, at 11:44 AM, Javier Llorente wrote: Apache's current icons are a bit out-of-date, so I've created a collection of icons for Apache; it has oxygen+crystal+custom icons, a config file and a README. Perhaps it could be included in Apache, so that sys admins have another option :-) You can see it live at http://www.javierllorente.com/tmp/ +1 Am I correct in understanding that you're donating these to the Apache HTTP Server project, or that they're under a license that permits us to redistribute them? Oops I forgot. It's under the LGPL. I am not sure if it's compatible with Apache's licensing policy. Greetings, -- Javier Llorente signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: Oxygen icons for Apache
On 4/21/2010 11:37 AM, Javier Llorente wrote: On Wednesday 21 April 2010 17:50:41 Rich Bowen wrote: On Apr 21, 2010, at 11:44 AM, Javier Llorente wrote: Apache's current icons are a bit out-of-date, so I've created a collection of icons for Apache; it has oxygen+crystal+custom icons, a config file and a README. Perhaps it could be included in Apache, so that sys admins have another option :-) You can see it live at http://www.javierllorente.com/tmp/ +1 Am I correct in understanding that you're donating these to the Apache HTTP Server project, or that they're under a license that permits us to redistribute them? Oops I forgot. It's under the LGPL. I am not sure if it's compatible with Apache's licensing policy. Well, that's not happening then, but thanks for your enthusiasm :) Bill
Re: Oxygen icons for Apache
On Wednesday 21 April 2010 20:12:00 William A. Rowe Jr. wrote: On 4/21/2010 11:37 AM, Javier Llorente wrote: On Wednesday 21 April 2010 17:50:41 Rich Bowen wrote: On Apr 21, 2010, at 11:44 AM, Javier Llorente wrote: Apache's current icons are a bit out-of-date, so I've created a collection of icons for Apache; it has oxygen+crystal+custom icons, a config file and a README. Perhaps it could be included in Apache, so that sys admins have another option :-) You can see it live at http://www.javierllorente.com/tmp/ +1 Am I correct in understanding that you're donating these to the Apache HTTP Server project, or that they're under a license that permits us to redistribute them? Oops I forgot. It's under the LGPL. I am not sure if it's compatible with Apache's licensing policy. Well, that's not happening then, but thanks for your enthusiasm :) I have used some LGPL'ed icons. However, from my understanding of the LGPL, I could change the license of my collection to make it compatible; Quoting from http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/lesser.html 4. Combined Works. You may convey a Combined Work under terms of your choice that, taken together, effectively do not restrict modification of the portions of the Library contained in the Combined Work and reverse engineering for debugging such modifications, if you also do each of the following: * a) Give prominent notice with each copy of the Combined Work that the Library is used in it and that the Library and its use are covered by this License. * b) Accompany the Combined Work with a copy of the GNU GPL and this license document. [...] Greetings, -- Javier Llorente signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: Oxygen icons for Apache
On Apr 21, 2010, at 3:13 PM, Javier Llorente wrote: Oops I forgot. It's under the LGPL. I am not sure if it's compatible with Apache's licensing policy. Well, that's not happening then, but thanks for your enthusiasm :) I have used some LGPL'ed icons. However, from my understanding of the LGPL, I could change the license of my collection to make it compatible; If it's your work, you're welcome to relicense it under whatever license you like, including ASL2. -- Rich Bowen rbo...@rcbowen.com
Re: Oxygen icons for Apache
On 4/21/2010 2:13 PM, Javier Llorente wrote: On Wednesday 21 April 2010 20:12:00 William A. Rowe Jr. wrote: On 4/21/2010 11:37 AM, Javier Llorente wrote: On Wednesday 21 April 2010 17:50:41 Rich Bowen wrote: On Apr 21, 2010, at 11:44 AM, Javier Llorente wrote: Apache's current icons are a bit out-of-date, so I've created a collection of icons for Apache; it has oxygen+crystal+custom icons, a config file and a README. Perhaps it could be included in Apache, so that sys admins have another option :-) You can see it live at http://www.javierllorente.com/tmp/ +1 Am I correct in understanding that you're donating these to the Apache HTTP Server project, or that they're under a license that permits us to redistribute them? Oops I forgot. It's under the LGPL. I am not sure if it's compatible with Apache's licensing policy. Well, that's not happening then, but thanks for your enthusiasm :) I have used some LGPL'ed icons. However, from my understanding of the LGPL, I could change the license of my collection to make it compatible; Quoting from http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/lesser.html 4. Combined Works. You may convey a Combined Work under terms of your choice that, taken together, effectively do not restrict modification of the portions of the Library contained in the Combined Work and reverse engineering for debugging such modifications, if you also do each of the following: * a) Give prominent notice with each copy of the Combined Work that the Library is used in it and that the Library and its use are covered by this License. * b) Accompany the Combined Work with a copy of the GNU GPL and this license document. [...] First; works won't be accepted with a[ny] GPL license [AGPL, LGPL, GPL etc]. The existence of two license files in the source repository would be confusing and misleading to the user, where the ASF has chosen to distribute the code strictly under one (non-copyleft) election among multiple licenses offered. Second; the ASF will not combine source code works. The combination you quote above that can and do inevitably happen with the use of ASF works when used in combination with copyleft works is left to the user's discretion and for the user to decipher and comply with (in terms of their net responsibilities under the combined licenses). This paragraph deals with, for example, SuSE's choice to combine Apache httpd with your icon collection. Now, the ASF is happy to consider contributions under the Apache License, or any license which does not add additional restrictions (e.g. copyleft clauses) or subtract any rights (e.g. non-commercial use only clauses) when added into the Apache License of the combined work. For example, the BSD license, sans advertising requirement, satisfies this consideration. The choice of license here is interesting; because your work should necessarily always be conveyed in source code (e.g. an image representation) that is transmitted to all end users (e.g. as broadly as the AGPL would require) there is really no difference between licensing these icons in BSD, AL, or LGPL. Licensing in GPL or AGPL would of course add further requirements with respect to the source code of the entire work. The only right you lose in offering a more flexible BSD or AL, rather than LGPL, is the redistribution with reuse license requirement of any modified icons if someone based a set of icons on your original art. So if these are your own originala works, and you have not conveyed all copyright to another party (e.g. the FSF) - but retain the right to convey licenses yourself, and you would like to offer these under an Apache License to the ASF, we would be glad to continue the discussion of accepting such an offer.
Re: Oxygen icons for Apache
On Wednesday 21 April 2010 22:38:06 you wrote: On 4/21/2010 2:13 PM, Javier Llorente wrote: On Wednesday 21 April 2010 20:12:00 William A. Rowe Jr. wrote: On 4/21/2010 11:37 AM, Javier Llorente wrote: On Wednesday 21 April 2010 17:50:41 Rich Bowen wrote: On Apr 21, 2010, at 11:44 AM, Javier Llorente wrote: Apache's current icons are a bit out-of-date, so I've created a collection of icons for Apache; it has oxygen+crystal+custom icons, a config file and a README. Perhaps it could be included in Apache, so that sys admins have another option :-) You can see it live at http://www.javierllorente.com/tmp/ +1 Am I correct in understanding that you're donating these to the Apache HTTP Server project, or that they're under a license that permits us to redistribute them? Oops I forgot. It's under the LGPL. I am not sure if it's compatible with Apache's licensing policy. Well, that's not happening then, but thanks for your enthusiasm :) I have used some LGPL'ed icons. However, from my understanding of the LGPL, I could change the license of my collection to make it compatible; Quoting from http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/lesser.html 4. Combined Works. You may convey a Combined Work under terms of your choice that, taken together, effectively do not restrict modification of the portions of the Library contained in the Combined Work and reverse engineering for debugging such modifications, if you also do each of the following: * a) Give prominent notice with each copy of the Combined Work that the Library is used in it and that the Library and its use are covered by this License. * b) Accompany the Combined Work with a copy of the GNU GPL and this license document. [...] First; works won't be accepted with a[ny] GPL license [AGPL, LGPL, GPL etc]. The existence of two license files in the source repository would be confusing and misleading to the user, where the ASF has chosen to distribute the code strictly under one (non-copyleft) election among multiple licenses offered. Second; the ASF will not combine source code works. The combination you quote above that can and do inevitably happen with the use of ASF works when used in combination with copyleft works is left to the user's discretion and for the user to decipher and comply with (in terms of their net responsibilities under the combined licenses). This paragraph deals with, for example, SuSE's choice to combine Apache httpd with your icon collection. Now, the ASF is happy to consider contributions under the Apache License, or any license which does not add additional restrictions (e.g. copyleft clauses) or subtract any rights (e.g. non-commercial use only clauses) when added into the Apache License of the combined work. For example, the BSD license, sans advertising requirement, satisfies this consideration. The choice of license here is interesting; because your work should necessarily always be conveyed in source code (e.g. an image representation) that is transmitted to all end users (e.g. as broadly as the AGPL would require) there is really no difference between licensing these icons in BSD, AL, or LGPL. Licensing in GPL or AGPL would of course add further requirements with respect to the source code of the entire work. The only right you lose in offering a more flexible BSD or AL, rather than LGPL, is the redistribution with reuse license requirement of any modified icons if someone based a set of icons on your original art. So if these are your own originala works, and you have not conveyed all copyright to another party (e.g. the FSF) - but retain the right to convey licenses yourself, and you would like to offer these under an Apache License to the ASF, we would be glad to continue the discussion of accepting such an offer. Here's a more detailed explanation of my situation: I have hand picked some Oxygen icons, adapted (modified) some Oxygen and Crystal icons, and created the configuration README. The Oxygen icons are under both LGPL and CC-by-SA Quoting http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/ [...] Share Alike — If you alter, transform, or build upon this work, you may distribute the resulting work only under the same, similar or a compatible license. It seems to me that the cc-by-sa is ok in this case. I could re-license my collection to have it under the Apache license. The Crystal icons are under the LGPL (only, no dual licensing from what I've read). So I understand that here lies the problem. I could look for a solution like replacing them (they're just a few). Another possibility could be having distributions (if they choose to do so) shipping Apache with this collection of icons enabled by default. But I prefer contributing my grain of salt upstream so that anyone can use it, regardless of the distribution. BTW, thanks a lot for you explanation on
