Re: [marketing] ODF desktop icons for OOo (without OOo branding ATM) - volunteers?
Lars Nooden wrote: Bernhard Dippold wrote: In my eyes these colors have a message we shouldn't give up without having thought about the positive and negative aspects of this change. Same with the product information in the icons. Many icon themes use one or two colors (not counting greyscale shading). Is there a convenient way to set up a mask so that distros and versions of distros can overlay their own colors? Acceptance of the icons would be easier if there were a simple way to tune them to fit in with established desktop themes. Is that really the point? I think no, the key message of the icons is to strengthen the ODF brand. And that application independent! For ODF it is important that people understand the openness of the format, that it is based on a standard and that it can be used with different applications. From my point of view it makes really sense to have this unique icons for ODF files. And hopefully most often OpenOffice.org is the default app on the system to open these files. I am not sure if it would be really helpful if all distros and all ODF handling applications would use their own icons. We can probably do a proper marketing for OOo with keeping the ODF icons in their original design. The same would be true for the OOo brand. We should focus on the message that OOo is the best application to work with ODF. Just my 2 cents Juergen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] ODF desktop icons for OOo (without OOo branding ATM) - volunteers?
On Mon, 2009-11-23 at 10:01 +0100, Juergen Schmidt wrote: Lars Nooden wrote: Many icon themes use one or two colors (not counting greyscale shading). Is there a convenient way to set up a mask so that distros and versions of distros can overlay their own colors? .. I am not sure if it would be really helpful if all distros and all ODF handling applications would use their own icons. We can probably do a proper marketing for OOo with keeping the ODF icons in their original design. Has anyone considered asking those responsible for artwork in Linux distributions about this scheme ? Might be a good idea to do this as step #1 instead of step #50 ;-) HTH, Michael. -- michael.me...@novell.com , Pseudo Engineer, itinerant idiot - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] ODF desktop icons for OOo (without OOo branding ATM) - volunteers?
Michael Meeks wrote: On Mon, 2009-11-23 at 10:01 +0100, Juergen Schmidt wrote: Lars Nooden wrote: Many icon themes use one or two colors (not counting greyscale shading). Is there a convenient way to set up a mask so that distros and versions of distros can overlay their own colors? .. I am not sure if it would be really helpful if all distros and all ODF handling applications would use their own icons. We can probably do a proper marketing for OOo with keeping the ODF icons in their original design. Has anyone considered asking those responsible for artwork in Linux distributions about this scheme ? i don't know but i think that is not the questions here. Juergen Might be a good idea to do this as step #1 instead of step #50 ;-) HTH, Michael. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] ODF desktop icons for OOo (without OOo branding ATM) - volunteers?
Le Mon, 23 Nov 2009 10:01:28 +0100, Juergen Schmidt juergen.schm...@sun.com a écrit : Lars Nooden wrote: Bernhard Dippold wrote: In my eyes these colors have a message we shouldn't give up without having thought about the positive and negative aspects of this change. Same with the product information in the icons. Many icon themes use one or two colors (not counting greyscale shading). Is there a convenient way to set up a mask so that distros and versions of distros can overlay their own colors? Acceptance of the icons would be easier if there were a simple way to tune them to fit in with established desktop themes. Is that really the point? I think no, the key message of the icons is to strengthen the ODF brand. And that application independent! For ODF it is important that people understand the openness of the format, that it is based on a standard and that it can be used with different applications. From my point of view it makes really sense to have this unique icons for ODF files. And hopefully most often OpenOffice.org is the default app on the system to open these files. I am not sure if it would be really helpful if all distros and all ODF handling applications would use their own icons. We can probably do a proper marketing for OOo with keeping the ODF icons in their original design. The same would be true for the OOo brand. We should focus on the message that OOo is the best application to work with ODF. Just my 2 cents Juergen +1 Charles. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] ODF desktop icons for OOo (without OOo branding ATM) - volunteers?
Juergen Schmidt wrote: Lars Nooden wrote: Bernhard Dippold wrote: In my eyes these colors have a message we shouldn't give up without having thought about the positive and negative aspects of this change. Same with the product information in the icons. Many icon themes use one or two colors (not counting greyscale shading). Is there a convenient way to set up a mask so that distros and versions of distros can overlay their own colors? Acceptance of the icons would be easier if there were a simple way to tune them to fit in with established desktop themes. ... would use their own icons. A mask is a term from photography carried over to digital graphics. To clarify what I wrote, ODF is used by many apps. However, to address your point, Juergen, we can focus on OOo. OOo is provided by many distros. Each of those distros has at least one icon theme. Those themes have basic colors. There are usually two main colors to a theme, sometimes just one. It would encourage adoption of the icons if it were easy for the theme maintainers to use the icons but with their own colors. It would also help if a logo or pictogram where used to identify ODF. /Lars - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] ODF desktop icons for OOo (without OOo branding ATM) - volunteers?
Lars Nooden wrote: Juergen Schmidt wrote: Lars Nooden wrote: Bernhard Dippold wrote: In my eyes these colors have a message we shouldn't give up without having thought about the positive and negative aspects of this change. Same with the product information in the icons. Many icon themes use one or two colors (not counting greyscale shading). Is there a convenient way to set up a mask so that distros and versions of distros can overlay their own colors? Acceptance of the icons would be easier if there were a simple way to tune them to fit in with established desktop themes. ... would use their own icons. A mask is a term from photography carried over to digital graphics. thanks for the explanation but i think i have understand the term before ;-) To clarify what I wrote, ODF is used by many apps. However, to address your point, Juergen, we can focus on OOo. OOo is provided by many distros. Each of those distros has at least one icon theme. Those themes have basic colors. There are usually two main colors to a theme, sometimes just one. It would encourage adoption of the icons if it were easy for the theme maintainers to use the icons but with their own colors. again from my point of view there is no need, simply use the icons as they are. As far as i know the icons were already suggested to OASIS to become the default icon. Maybe it will change who knows but then we should use the new ones, important is to use the default ODF icons without any changes. It would also help if a logo or pictogram where used to identify ODF. good idea but should be probably addressed somewhere else Juergen /Lars - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] Anyone seen this
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11/7/2009 11:44 PM, Louis Suarez-Potts wrote: I just sent a note to this list indicating that oomouse is not an official OpenOffice.org product and that we are not endorsing it as the PR suggests. Seems to be a misunderstanding: Theo is not entitled to use or manipulate our logo as he has done nor is he entitled claim that he is in partnership with OpenOffice.org, whatever that would mean. So this is a real product? I thought it was a joke. - -- Steven Shelton Twilight Media Design, LLC 17195 Silver Parkway #134 Fenton, MI 48430 www.TwilightMD.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iD8DBQFLCty9KP0FWmSVanERAsLkAKCS89UvbhO2NBaie6NvYWlEv7wIHwCeNs6+ PHaFvvMbkHyLDOIOdrUz4gE= =/wMg -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] ODF desktop icons for OOo (without OOo branding ATM) - volunteers?
Martin Hollmichel wrote: again from my point of view there is no need, simply use the icons as they are. As far as i know the icons were already suggested to OASIS to become the default icon. Maybe it will change who knows but then we should use the new ones, important is to use the default ODF icons without any changes. I'm not sure if I really understand your point why it is important to have icons without any change, I can imagine that it will be difficult enough to get an agreement of all teams (KDE, Gnome and OpenOffice.org team) on an unified style at all, I would be fine if there would are slight differences for the icons if the artistists say they need to do some adoption to make them smoothly integrated into their specific icon themes. Indeed. Jürgen, as Michael already pointed out: we'll need to lobby for that icon idea *first*. And believe me, not even providing an easy way to exchange colors is gonna fly in Linux land - just compare the totally different icon themes in e.g. Gnome and KDE (in the shapes, and metaphors used - and not even mentioning Moblin, Maemo etc.). Designers *will* veto anything that'll make their theme visually inconsistent, ask Stella. Cheers, -- Thorsten pgpkxefiujLKU.pgp Description: PGP signature
