Re: [Marketing] Microsoft to announce open-standard XML file format support at midnight CET
On 11/22/05, Benjamin Horst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Count me a skeptic. The article is thin on detail. If I were to guess, I'd say they are following their old vaporware strategy: announce early to hobble the mindshare growth of a competitor, and then never deliver. The article states it will be at least 18 months before this is released! And, who is ECMA anyway? I'm not sure who ECMA is, but this webpage might help: http://www.ecma-international.org/ Quote: Since 1961 and continuing in full force today, *Ecma International*facilitates the timely creation of a wide range of global Information and Communications Technology (ICT) and Consumer Electronics (CE) standards -- MS has submitted the format to ISO, too. http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=2189 Quote: Microsoft is looking to establish its Office XML Reference Schema (the new file format for it's Office productivity suite) as an International Organization of Standardization (ISO) ratified standard -- And from a blog of a developer of the Office XML format, hosted on MSDN.com http://blogs.msdn.com/brian_jones/archive/2005/11/21/495466.aspx Quote: Today we are making a really important announcement about our XML formats. We are going to bring the Microsoft Office Open XML formats to a standards body with the intention of eventually making the formats an ISO standard. -- Another article about the standardization move: http://stuff.techwhack.com/archives/2005/11/22/221106-microsoft-to-apply-for-standardization-of-office-formats/ Quote: After their document formats are recognized as an ECMA standard, the company plans to pursue standardization at ISO, the International Organization for Standardization. -- HTH! What do you all think about the move, if it's real, that is? - Chad Smith http://www.gimpshop.net/ Because everyone loves free software!
Re: [Marketing] Microsoft to announce open-standard XML file format support at midnight CET
Hello Laurent, hello John, Laurent Godard wrote: is that still conditional reading rapidely ... The move is being supported by a number of organisations including Apple Computer, Barclays Capital, BP, _Intel_ and Toshiba. ... regarding http://marketing.openoffice.org/ooocon2005/index.html premium sponsors huh. Something i do not catch Well, perhaps we should ask the question to our good friend Daneese Cooper. We may not have convinced her to help us that much at her dinner finally... Without kidding: Intel is a big compay and they may have gotten some direct threats by MS on the ODF topic, who knows. Best, Charles. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Marketing] Microsoft to announce open-standard XML file format support at midnight CET
Hi John John McCreesh a écrit : The FT has broken the embargo: http://news.ft.com/cms/s/e9f5c0f8-5ab7-11da-8628-779e2340.html is that still conditional reading rapidely ... The move is being supported by a number of organisations including Apple Computer, Barclays Capital, BP, _Intel_ and Toshiba. ... regarding http://marketing.openoffice.org/ooocon2005/index.html premium sponsors huh. Something i do not catch Laurent -- Laurent Godard [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Ingénierie OpenOffice.org Indesko http://www.indesko.com Nuxeo CPS http://www.nuxeo.com - http://www.cps-project.org Livre Programmation OpenOffice.org, Eyrolles 2004 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Marketing] Microsoft to announce open-standard XML file format support at midnight CET
Count me a skeptic. The article is thin on detail. If I were to guess, I'd say they are following their old vaporware strategy: announce early to hobble the mindshare growth of a competitor, and then never deliver. The article states it will be at least 18 months before this is released! And, who is ECMA anyway? Microsoft will submit its Office file formats to Ecma International, the standards body, which will develop the documentation and make it available to the industry. The move is being supported by a number of organisations including Apple Computer, Barclays Capital, BP, Intel and Toshiba. Within about 18 months, customers, competitors and developers should be able to download detailed files from Ecma on how to create a Microsoft Word, Powerpoint or Excel document. On Nov 21, 2005, at 3:33 PM, John McCreesh wrote: The FT has broken the embargo: http://news.ft.com/cms/s/e9f5c0f8-5ab7-11da-8628-779e2340.html John On Mon, 2005-11-21 at 18:47 +, John McCreesh wrote: Just heard a rumour from a journalist reading an embargoed press release that Microsoft will announce an XML file format for Office which they will submit to ISO as an open-standard. The journalist claimed it would be announced at midnight CET. The monopolist is on the defensive. John - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- The Tiny Guide to OpenOffice.org now available! http://www.solidoffice.com/tinyguide/ Free Culture and Open Source: www.solidoffice.com
Re: [Marketing] Microsoft to announce open-standard XML file format support at midnight CET
On 11/21/05, John McCreesh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just heard a rumour from a journalist reading an embargoed press release that Microsoft will announce an XML file format for Office which they will submit to ISO as an open-standard. The journalist claimed it would be announced at midnight CET. The monopolist is on the defensive. John This is a good thing, though, right? I mean, people have been saying that if MS would only support ODF, everything would be just fine. So if MS comes up with an XML-based truly Open Standard (approved by ISO), then OOo could use it, MSO could use it, KOffice could use it, AbiWord could use it, WordPerfect could use it, etc. etc. etc. - and all would open 100% right, as long as the people making the software read and followed the ISO-approved Open Standard. Is that a correct statement? So why would it matter if ODF or MSO-OpenXML, (or whatever it will be called) gets approved by ISO? If it's open, it's open, right? What could MS do that would make this a bad thing? That's what I'm trying to get at. - Chad Smith http://www.gimpshop.net/ Because everyone loves free software!
Re: [Marketing] Microsoft to announce open-standard XML file format support at midnight CET
Chad Smith wrote: What could MS do that would make this a bad thing? That's what I'm trying to get at. Even MS couldn't make this a bad thing (I don't think). It would be interesting to watch. Maybe they are feeling a little competition from OpenDocument after all... Cheers, Daniel. -- /\/`) http://oooauthors.org /\/_/ http://opendocumentfellowship.org /\/_/ No trees were harmed in the creation of this email. \/_/ However, a significant number of electrons were / were severely inconvenienced. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Marketing] Microsoft to announce open-standard XML file format support at midnight CET
Chad Smith wrote: This is a good thing, though, right? I mean, people have been saying that if MS would only support ODF, everything would be just fine. So if MS comes up with an XML-based truly Open Standard (approved by ISO), then OOo could use it, MSO could use it, KOffice could use it, AbiWord could use it, WordPerfect could use it, etc. etc. etc. - and all would open 100% right, as long as the people making the software read and followed the ISO-approved Open Standard. Is that a correct statement? So why would it matter if ODF or MSO-OpenXML, (or whatever it will be called) gets approved by ISO? If it's open, it's open, right? What could MS do that would make this a bad thing? That's what I'm trying to get at. MS does not do truly open standards. Most likely, what MS is planning to do is submit their existing XML as an open standard and then, in their applications, utilize the open standard and then add proprietary information to it when the application saves. That way, MS Office can open everyone else's files reliably but nobody else can open MS Office files reliably, even though they are based on the open standard. It's the same game they played with HTML standards. Nothing new. -- Steven Shelton Twilight Media Design www.TwilightMD.com www.GLOAMING.us -=-=- Energizer Bunny arrested, charged with battery. -=-=- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Marketing] Microsoft to announce open-standard XML file format support at midnight CET
On Mon, 21 Nov 2005, Chad Smith wrote: On 11/21/05, John McCreesh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just heard a rumour from a journalist reading an embargoed press release that Microsoft will announce an XML file format for Office which they will submit to ISO as an open-standard. The journalist claimed it would be announced at midnight CET. The monopolist is on the defensive. John This is a good thing, though, right? I mean, people have been saying that if MS would only support ODF, everything would be just fine. So if MS comes up with an XML-based truly Open Standard (approved by ISO), then OOo could use it, MSO could use it, KOffice could use it, AbiWord could use it, WordPerfect could use it, etc. etc. etc. - and all would open 100% right, as long as the people making the software read and followed the ISO-approved Open Standard. Is that a correct statement? So why would it matter if ODF or MSO-OpenXML, (or whatever it will be called) gets approved by ISO? If it's open, it's open, right? What could MS do that would make this a bad thing? That's what I'm trying to get at. They could keep the proprietary, secret binary key as part of their specification. Whether ISO would approve it with that key still intact is another question, but that would definitely put it in the category of bad thing for me. YMMV. - Chad Smith http://www.gimpshop.net/ Because everyone loves free software! -- J. David Eisenberg http://catcode.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
