Re: [Marketing] Typeface used in OOo logo and artwork?
Ok. Thanks. So to answer my own question with help of that pointer, the URL for the current style guied is : http://www.openoffice.org/nonav/issues/showattachment.cgi/29949/OpenOffice.org%20Style%20Manual%20(Version%200.9).pdf -Lars Lars Noodén ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Keep the market open by keeping software patents out (deadline 31 Mar 2006): http://europa.eu.int/comm/internal_market/indprop/patent/consultation_en.htm On Mon, 20 Mar 2006, Bernhard Dippold wrote: Hi Lars, * Lars D. Noodén schrieb: On Sun, 19 Mar 2006, Steven Shelton wrote: ... I thought it was linked from the main Art Project page, but apparently it's not. Ooops! ... Could you post the link to the current style manual here while we wait for it to be added to the art project's main page? As posted in another part of this thread in the moment it's linked from the Artwork To-Do-List page (but will be moved to an updated "Design Elements" gallery soon): http://marketing.openoffice.org/art/to-do-artwork.html Also, since many people actually do search in the mailing list archives in search of an answer, could the official typeface (including modifications like how much to condense it) and the number of the official pantone color also be posted to the list since I gather that some people here know them? The "official" one is Frutiger, but we decided on using Bitstream Vera Sans (shipped with every OOo project version of OpenOffice.org) condensed horizontally to 78%. Pantone is 286, but from the beginning it was recommended to use RGB 1,52,140 on web pages and computer monitors. Therefore the blue tone on screens looks much darker than on printed material using Pantone. Best Bernhard - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Marketing] Typeface used in OOo logo and artwork?
Hi Lars, * Lars D. Noodén schrieb: On Sun, 19 Mar 2006, Steven Shelton wrote: ... I thought it was linked from the main Art Project page, but apparently it's not. Ooops! ... Could you post the link to the current style manual here while we wait for it to be added to the art project's main page? As posted in another part of this thread in the moment it's linked from the Artwork To-Do-List page (but will be moved to an updated "Design Elements" gallery soon): http://marketing.openoffice.org/art/to-do-artwork.html Also, since many people actually do search in the mailing list archives in search of an answer, could the official typeface (including modifications like how much to condense it) and the number of the official pantone color also be posted to the list since I gather that some people here know them? The "official" one is Frutiger, but we decided on using Bitstream Vera Sans (shipped with every OOo project version of OpenOffice.org) condensed horizontally to 78%. Pantone is 286, but from the beginning it was recommended to use RGB 1,52,140 on web pages and computer monitors. Therefore the blue tone on screens looks much darker than on printed material using Pantone. Best Bernhard - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Marketing] Typeface used in OOo logo and artwork?
On Sun, 19 Mar 2006, Steven Shelton wrote: ... I thought it was linked from the main Art Project page, but apparently it's not. Ooops! ... Could you post the link to the current style manual here while we wait for it to be added to the art project's main page? Also, since many people actually do search in the mailing list archives in search of an answer, could the official typeface (including modifications like how much to condense it) and the number of the official pantone color also be posted to the list since I gather that some people here know them? Thanks -Lars Lars Noodén ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Keep the market open by keeping software patents out (deadline 31 Mar 2006): http://europa.eu.int/comm/internal_market/indprop/patent/consultation_en.htm - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Marketing] Typeface used in OOo logo and artwork?
On Mon, 20 Mar 2006 7:52, Bernhard Dippold wrote: > Hi Daniel, > > Daniel Carrera schrieb: > > Bernhard Dippold wrote: > >> It's not linked from the main Art Project page, because I thought it > >> to fit better to the Artwork To-Do-List. > > > > Why? If I want to know what font the OOo logo uses, the to-do list would > > be the *last* place I'd look. > > Really? I thought only attached to the Issue it was worse... ;-) > > But honestly: > > I asked myself, why should someone need to know the exact colors and > fonts of the logo, icons and all that central stuff for > OpenOffice.org artwork? Not so much with the font, but knowing the colour used is crucial for getting anything (such as brochures, CD inserts and labels) printed professionally. One needs to be able to tell the printer "It's two colour, black and Pantone (whatever the number is)", so the printer can set up correctly and give an accurate quote. > > Only to create new artwork, I supposed. > And people creating artwork for OpenOffice.org I'd like to ask for > contributing to our project. -- Alex Fisher Co-Lead, CD-ROM Project OpenOffice.org Marketing Community Contact Australia/New Zealand http://distribution.openoffice.org/cdrom/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Marketing] Typeface used in OOo logo and artwork?
Hi Daniel, *, Daniel Carrera schrieb: Bernhard Dippold wrote: [...] I asked myself, why should someone need to know the exact colors and fonts of the logo, icons and all that central stuff for OpenOffice.org artwork? Maybe I want to sell OOo t-shirts at the next conference. That's great :-) (the germanophone project made some t-shirts last year, perhaps you'll be able to use something of our work: Issue 49942) [...] Put it in "design elements" then. Good point. This part should be extended including the product icons and anything you need for "original" OpenOffice.org artwork. [...] People wanting to create artwork should follow the link "How to participate" - or "Artwork To-Do". No, they shouldn't. They should only do that if they came to the site wondering how to paticipate. But if they come to the site knowing exactly what they want to do (e.g. "I want to make new OOo postcards") there is no reason why they would read your to-do list. Even if they are planning on sending you the final work. If they are planning on sending you the final work they would click on "how to participate" but probably to find the email address to send the work to, not to find the font. I thought of people searching for informations - if they wouldn't find it at first glance, they'd probably have a look at the informations we give to new members. But the Design Elements area is obviously a better place. [...] But as long as the Style Guide is not finalized I don't want to link to it from too many places. Is a style guide ever finalized? No - but as long as there are important things to be updated very soon, I just wanted to wait for that version... So I'll try to update the Design Elements gallery - but probably not today :-( Best Bernhard - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Marketing] Typeface used in OOo logo and artwork?
Bernhard Dippold wrote: Why? If I want to know what font the OOo logo uses, the to-do list would be the *last* place I'd look. Really? I thought only attached to the Issue it was worse... ;-) :-) But honestly: I asked myself, why should someone need to know the exact colors and fonts of the logo, icons and all that central stuff for OpenOffice.org artwork? Maybe I want to sell OOo t-shirts at the next conference. And people creating artwork for OpenOffice.org I'd like to ask for contributing to our project. "font" does not fit logically inside the "to-do" category. If someone comes to the website thinking "I want to make art for OOo" they'd click on the to-do list. But a lot of visitors just want to *use* art. That's why you currently provide links to ready-made business cards, banners, CD labels, etc. What if I don't like any of the labels you provide and I want to make my own? What if I want to make my own banner? Saying that it would be nice if I sent that to the project does not at all justify hiding the information behind your to-do list. If I come to the website thinking "I want to make a new OOo label" I will *not* click on the to-do link, because that's now what I want. I didn't come to the site thinking "let's see what the OOo guys want me to do", I came thinking "I want to do xyz, how do I do it?". The main Art Project page doesn't contain any text except the Mission Statement - and there talking about the Style Guide doesn't really fit. Put it in "design elements" then. Now, why didn't you put "design elements" behind the to-do link? The argument you just used for fonts applies equally to "design elements". People wanting to create artwork should follow the link "How to participate" - or "Artwork To-Do". No, they shouldn't. They should only do that if they came to the site wondering how to paticipate. But if they come to the site knowing exactly what they want to do (e.g. "I want to make new OOo postcards") there is no reason why they would read your to-do list. Even if they are planning on sending you the final work. If they are planning on sending you the final work they would click on "how to participate" but probably to find the email address to send the work to, not to find the font. In the participation page http://marketing.openoffice.org/art/about-participation.html the Style Guide could be linked even better than at the To-Do list, because there is a paragraph about "Creating new art". The participation page is better for "font" than "to-do", but it's still a very bad place. Please put it in design elements. Another place to link to the Style Guide could be the logo gallery and the icon gallery (once created). But as long as the Style Guide is not finalized I don't want to link to it from too many places. Is a style guide ever finalized? But please tell me - why do you need to find it at the main page? Not necessarily on the main page. Just on a place that someone looking for it is likely to find. Put yourself in the position of someone who wants to create an OOo postcard for whichever reason. The question in your mind is not "how do I contribute?". The question is "where do I get the tools to make the postcard I want?". Best, Daniel. -- /\/`) http://opendocumentfellowship.org /\/_/ /\/_/ A life? Sounds great! \/_/Do you know where I could download one? / - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Marketing] Typeface used in OOo logo and artwork?
Hi Daniel, Daniel Carrera schrieb: Bernhard Dippold wrote: It's not linked from the main Art Project page, because I thought it to fit better to the Artwork To-Do-List. Why? If I want to know what font the OOo logo uses, the to-do list would be the *last* place I'd look. Really? I thought only attached to the Issue it was worse... ;-) But honestly: I asked myself, why should someone need to know the exact colors and fonts of the logo, icons and all that central stuff for OpenOffice.org artwork? Only to create new artwork, I supposed. And people creating artwork for OpenOffice.org I'd like to ask for contributing to our project. The main Art Project page doesn't contain any text except the Mission Statement - and there talking about the Style Guide doesn't really fit. For me it looks as if it's main purpose were to provide finalized artwork to people wanting to use it as it is (one exception: Design Elements), a future update of that page could perhaps modify this direction a bit (but everybody can follow the links at the top of the page) - I'll contact Cristian on that topic. People wanting to create artwork should follow the link "How to participate" - or "Artwork To-Do". In the participation page http://marketing.openoffice.org/art/about-participation.html the Style Guide could be linked even better than at the To-Do list, because there is a paragraph about "Creating new art". I didn't search that hard for the best place, because I wanted it to be linked ASAP - so it can move later. Another place to link to the Style Guide could be the logo gallery and the icon gallery (once created). But as long as the Style Guide is not finalized I don't want to link to it from too many places. I hope we can do the final update soon - then you'll probably find it on a more appropriate place. But please tell me - why do you need to find it at the main page? Best regards Bernhard - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Marketing] Typeface used in OOo logo and artwork?
Bernhard Dippold wrote: It's not linked from the main Art Project page, because I thought it to fit better to the Artwork To-Do-List. Why? If I want to know what font the OOo logo uses, the to-do list would be the *last* place I'd look. Daniel. -- /\/`) http://opendocumentfellowship.org /\/_/ /\/_/ A life? Sounds great! \/_/Do you know where I could download one? / - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Marketing] Typeface used in OOo logo and artwork?
Hi Steven, GRS, all, Steven Shelton schrieb: G. Roderick Singleton wrote: http://www.openoffice.org/nonav/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=54289 should be linked from the main art sub-project page but isn't :-( A valid comment. :-) I thought it had been linked. If I get the time (which, admittedly, is doubtful) I'll see what I can do about that. I didn't do it before, because I hoped to get included the links to the logo gallery as well as a paragraph on the positioner. But as Lars' question shows up, it should be linked *now* So I did it quick and dirty ;-) It's not linked from the main Art Project page, because I thought it to fit better to the Artwork To-Do-List. If anybody looks for something to do for us, he/she will stumble on it, I hope: http://marketing.openoffice.org/art/to-do-artwork.html Best regards Bernhard - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Marketing] Typeface used in OOo logo and artwork?
Daniel Carrera wrote: Steven Shelton wrote: Actually, all of this is spelled out in the style manual, which is available in the Art Project pages. I can't find it. Do you have a link? I thought it was linked from the main Art Project page, but apparently it's not. Ooops! (And, no, I don't think Toga was the final decision; I don't know what *your* final decision was. I was talking about *my* final decision when I tried to emulate the logo. All well and good, but to be clear: it's not "my" final decision. The style manual (which I think it's fair to say is somewhere between the semiofficial and official "rulebook", to the extent that one exists) has gone through numerous revisions with a great deal of input from many people. Just to clarify. :-) I think it was Bitstream Vera Sans condensed to something like 78%, That's equivalent to my finding. The toga font is a semi-condensed variation of Bitstream (you'll remember that the Bitstream license requires you to change the font's name if you make a modification). Fair 'nuff! but that's just off the top of my head; the actual specs are in the style manual.) I can RTFM, but I can't find the FM :) That does make it more difficult, doesn't it? -- Steven Shelton Twilight Media & Design www.TwilightMD.com www.GLOAMING.us - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Marketing] Typeface used in OOo logo and artwork?
G. Roderick Singleton wrote: http://www.openoffice.org/nonav/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=54289 should be linked from the main art sub-project page but isn't :-( A valid comment. :-) I thought it had been linked. If I get the time (which, admittedly, is doubtful) I'll see what I can do about that. -- Steven Shelton Twilight Media & Design www.TwilightMD.com www.GLOAMING.us - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Marketing] Typeface used in OOo logo and artwork?
What is the URL for the style manual ? It wasn't among the first three links I followed from http://marketing.openoffice.org/art/index.html Sorry, but that is, has been, and will for the forseeable future remain how I look for things. -Lars Lars Noodén ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Keep the market open by keeping software patents out (deadline 31 Mar 2006): http://europa.eu.int/comm/internal_market/indprop/patent/consultation_en.htm On Sun, 19 Mar 2006, Steven Shelton wrote: Daniel Carrera wrote: ...I think I settled for Toga. http://www.binara.com/toga/ ... Actually, all of this is spelled out in the style manual, which is available in the Art Project pages. (And, no, I don't think Toga was the final decision; I think it was Bitstream Vera Sans condensed to something like 78%, but that's just off the top of my head; the actual specs are in the style manual.) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Marketing] Typeface used in OOo logo and artwork?
On Sun, 2006-03-19 at 18:09 +, Daniel Carrera wrote: > Steven Shelton wrote: > > Actually, all of this is spelled out in the style manual, which is > > available in the Art Project pages. > > I can't find it. Do you have a link? > > > (And, no, I don't think Toga was the final decision; > > I don't know what *your* final decision was. I was talking about *my* > final decision when I tried to emulate the logo. > > > I think it was Bitstream Vera Sans condensed to > > something like 78%, > > That's equivalent to my finding. The toga font is a semi-condensed > variation of Bitstream (you'll remember that the Bitstream license > requires you to change the font's name if you make a modification). > > > but that's just off the top of my head; the actual > > specs are in the style manual.) > > I can RTFM, but I can't find the FM :) > > Daniel. http://www.openoffice.org/nonav/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=54289 should be linked from the main art sub-project page but isn't :-( -- PLEASE KEEP MESSAGES ON THE LIST. OpenOffice.org Documentation Co-Lead http://documentation.openoffice.org/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Marketing] Typeface used in OOo logo and artwork?
Steven Shelton wrote: Actually, all of this is spelled out in the style manual, which is available in the Art Project pages. I can't find it. Do you have a link? (And, no, I don't think Toga was the final decision; I don't know what *your* final decision was. I was talking about *my* final decision when I tried to emulate the logo. I think it was Bitstream Vera Sans condensed to something like 78%, That's equivalent to my finding. The toga font is a semi-condensed variation of Bitstream (you'll remember that the Bitstream license requires you to change the font's name if you make a modification). but that's just off the top of my head; the actual specs are in the style manual.) I can RTFM, but I can't find the FM :) Daniel. -- /\/`) http://opendocumentfellowship.org /\/_/ /\/_/ A life? Sounds great! \/_/Do you know where I could download one? / - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Marketing] Typeface used in OOo logo and artwork?
On Sun, 19 Mar 2006, Daniel Carrera wrote: ... I think I settled for Toga. http://www.binara.com/toga/ Thanks. If you want to make it look more like the OOo logo you'll have to rescale the image horizontally because the OOo logo is condensed and Toga is semi-condensed. ... ... The blue is specified in pantone ... I'd be useful for some of that to be on the art subproject's page or one link down (with a clear and obvious link) -Lars Lars Noodén ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Keep the market open by keeping software patents out (deadline 31 Mar 2006): http://europa.eu.int/comm/internal_market/indprop/patent/consultation_en.htm - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Marketing] Typeface used in OOo logo and artwork?
Daniel Carrera wrote: If I recall correctly, it is Frutiger, which is a propietary font. A bit odd for an open source project to use a propietary ($250) font. I once tried to find a free alternative that could look similar. I think I settled for Toga. http://www.binara.com/toga/ Toga is a good font over-all. It's quite readable and it has all the right porterties (for me) a font can have. If you want to make it look more like the OOo logo you'll have to rescale the image horizontally because the OOo logo is condensed and Toga is semi-condensed. The blue is specified in pantone, but I can't remember what it was. I remember that finding it was incredibly difficult. I suggest you just use the RGB approximation. Cheers, Daniel. Actually, all of this is spelled out in the style manual, which is available in the Art Project pages. (And, no, I don't think Toga was the final decision; I think it was Bitstream Vera Sans condensed to something like 78%, but that's just off the top of my head; the actual specs are in the style manual.) -- Steven Shelton Twilight Media & Design www.TwilightMD.com www.GLOAMING.us - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Marketing] Typeface used in OOo logo and artwork?
If I recall correctly, it is Frutiger, which is a propietary font. A bit odd for an open source project to use a propietary ($250) font. I once tried to find a free alternative that could look similar. I think I settled for Toga. http://www.binara.com/toga/ Toga is a good font over-all. It's quite readable and it has all the right porterties (for me) a font can have. If you want to make it look more like the OOo logo you'll have to rescale the image horizontally because the OOo logo is condensed and Toga is semi-condensed. The blue is specified in pantone, but I can't remember what it was. I remember that finding it was incredibly difficult. I suggest you just use the RGB approximation. Cheers, Daniel. Lars D. Noodén wrote: Which typeface is used currently in OOo logos and art? I checked the art subproject's main page http://marketing.openoffice.org/art/ and a few links from there but nothing jumped out at me. -Lars Lars Noodén ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Keep the market open by keeping software patents out (deadline 31 Mar 2006): http://europa.eu.int/comm/internal_market/indprop/patent/consultation_en.htm - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- /\/`) http://opendocumentfellowship.org /\/_/ /\/_/ A life? Sounds great! \/_/Do you know where I could download one? / - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Marketing] Typeface used in OOo logo and artwork?
Which typeface is used currently in OOo logos and art? I checked the art subproject's main page http://marketing.openoffice.org/art/ and a few links from there but nothing jumped out at me. -Lars Lars Noodén ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Keep the market open by keeping software patents out (deadline 31 Mar 2006): http://europa.eu.int/comm/internal_market/indprop/patent/consultation_en.htm - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
