Re: [marketing] OT OpenOffice vs. OpenOffice.org (was: Re: [marketing] Color)

[Varun Mittal]

I believe there are much more important things for the community to do
rather spending time on this debate. We are all aware of the challenges
ahead.

We all need to united together to make the community strongbrands can be
bought , sold , licensedcommunities can't be



On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 4:56 PM, Gmail  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Imho, OpenOffice.org itself is already a very strong name exist in the
> market. When most people talking about free office suite, OpenOffice will
> likely become the first thing in their mind. And by saying OpenOffice,
> people do mean OpenOffice.org, not the only held by Orange UK.
>
> Type in openoffice in google. If branding is all you want, the search
> results means everything.
>
> As such, name change under any circumstances,  is not only unnecessary, it
> will destroy the goodwill of the brand and the market recognition we gained
> so far.
>
> Regards,
> Colin Ng.
> 
> From: Miroslav Mazel [maz...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2010 3:44 PM
> To: dev@marketing.openoffice.org; j...@openoffice.org
> Subject: Re: [marketing] OT OpenOffice vs. OpenOffice.org (was: Re:
> [marketing] Color)
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 5:41 AM, Alexandro Colorado  >wrote:
>
> > On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 10:29 PM, Chaosun  wrote:
> >
> > > Naming issue again. It makes no sense arguing somehow. Name is a name
> > > anyway. People actually don't care about the names, if it changed, may
> > cause
> > > confusing or unconfortable. Let's please focus on the office suit
> itself
> > > instead of those ichiness.
> > >
> >
> > Wow people don't care about the name... seems you never study branding in
> > marketing. Most of the time the brand "Google" can make an  office suite
> > matter more than when it was called writley.
> >
> I agree that a name is important. I'm quite accustomed to the name
> OpenOffice.org, I don't hate it, but if anyone suggested a really good
> alternative, I'd be all for it. However, as it is, I haven't seen any good
> suggestion so far. Putting something else than "org" behind the period
> doesn't seem like a good solution to me, since it really doesn't even solve
> the problem and destroys the connection to the web site (I actually like
> this connection, as the user knows exactly what site to visit to get to
> OOo's official page). A nice fix would be if the party that owns the name
> "OpenOffice" allowed us to use it.
> In any case, this thread can serve as a brainstorm for alternative names,
> but it's not really an issue we need to focus on right now.
>
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Chao
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 5:10 PM, Ben Pracht 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > I still say it'd be better to use something other than .org, even if
> it
> > > > meant a name change to something close but not trademarked.  I don't
> > > think
> > > > names are a light issue either, especially since really, that's the
> > first
> > > > exposure someone's going to have to the product.
> > > >
> > > > Ben
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 5:07 PM, Christoph Noack <
> > christ...@dogmatux.com
> > > > >wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi Ben,
> > > > >
> > > > > I know that this sometimes is a bit ... strange. Especially since
> > > nobody
> > > > > really cares about the proper naming (e.g. in the press). However,
> > here
> > > > > is the reason: http://www.openoffice.org/FAQs/faq-other.html#4
> > > > >
> > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > Christoph
> > > > >
> > > > > Am Dienstag, den 18.05.2010, 15:59 -0500 schrieb Ben Pracht:
> > > > > > There's something that's bothered me since I started using
> > OpenOffice
> > > > > which
> > > > > > I wish also got changed, which was the use of OOo or appending
> .org
> > > at
> > > > > the
> > > > > > end of it.  The first one reminds me of the acronym for Out of
> > > Office,
> > > > or
> > > > > > some sort of impolite personal accident.  Appending .org seems
> > > > > superfluous.
> > > > > > It's also easier to roll off your tongue if you can just say
> > > Open

RE: [marketing] OT OpenOffice vs. OpenOffice.org (was: Re: [marketing] Color)

[Gmail]

Hi all,

Imho, OpenOffice.org itself is already a very strong name exist in the market. 
When most people talking about free office suite, OpenOffice will likely become 
the first thing in their mind. And by saying OpenOffice, people do mean 
OpenOffice.org, not the only held by Orange UK.

Type in openoffice in google. If branding is all you want, the search results 
means everything.

As such, name change under any circumstances,  is not only unnecessary, it will 
destroy the goodwill of the brand and the market recognition we gained so far.

Regards,
Colin Ng.

From: Miroslav Mazel [maz...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2010 3:44 PM
To: dev@marketing.openoffice.org; j...@openoffice.org
Subject: Re: [marketing] OT OpenOffice vs. OpenOffice.org (was: Re: 
[marketing] Color)

Hi everyone,

On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 5:41 AM, Alexandro Colorado wrote:

> On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 10:29 PM, Chaosun  wrote:
>
> > Naming issue again. It makes no sense arguing somehow. Name is a name
> > anyway. People actually don't care about the names, if it changed, may
> cause
> > confusing or unconfortable. Let's please focus on the office suit itself
> > instead of those ichiness.
> >
>
> Wow people don't care about the name... seems you never study branding in
> marketing. Most of the time the brand "Google" can make an  office suite
> matter more than when it was called writley.
>
I agree that a name is important. I'm quite accustomed to the name
OpenOffice.org, I don't hate it, but if anyone suggested a really good
alternative, I'd be all for it. However, as it is, I haven't seen any good
suggestion so far. Putting something else than "org" behind the period
doesn't seem like a good solution to me, since it really doesn't even solve
the problem and destroys the connection to the web site (I actually like
this connection, as the user knows exactly what site to visit to get to
OOo's official page). A nice fix would be if the party that owns the name
"OpenOffice" allowed us to use it.
In any case, this thread can serve as a brainstorm for alternative names,
but it's not really an issue we need to focus on right now.

>
>
> >
> > Chao
> >
> >
> >
> > >On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 5:10 PM, Ben Pracht 
> wrote:
> >
> > > I still say it'd be better to use something other than .org, even if it
> > > meant a name change to something close but not trademarked.  I don't
> > think
> > > names are a light issue either, especially since really, that's the
> first
> > > exposure someone's going to have to the product.
> > >
> > > Ben
> > >
> > > On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 5:07 PM, Christoph Noack <
> christ...@dogmatux.com
> > > >wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi Ben,
> > > >
> > > > I know that this sometimes is a bit ... strange. Especially since
> > nobody
> > > > really cares about the proper naming (e.g. in the press). However,
> here
> > > > is the reason: http://www.openoffice.org/FAQs/faq-other.html#4
> > > >
> > > > Cheers,
> > > > Christoph
> > > >
> > > > Am Dienstag, den 18.05.2010, 15:59 -0500 schrieb Ben Pracht:
> > > > > There's something that's bothered me since I started using
> OpenOffice
> > > > which
> > > > > I wish also got changed, which was the use of OOo or appending .org
> > at
> > > > the
> > > > > end of it.  The first one reminds me of the acronym for Out of
> > Office,
> > > or
> > > > > some sort of impolite personal accident.  Appending .org seems
> > > > superfluous.
> > > > > It's also easier to roll off your tongue if you can just say
> > OpenOffice
> > > > or
> > > > > something like that.  I'd suggest the next time branding issues
> come
> > up
> > > > in a
> > > > > somewhat major way to take up investigating this.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > Ben
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 3:47 PM, Christoph Noack <
> > > christ...@dogmatux.com
> > > > >wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hi Sophie, hi Miroslav!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Miroslav, you asked for the colors in the ODF icons. As I
> > understood
> > > > > > Sophie, there might be a chance to i

Re: [marketing] OT OpenOffice vs. OpenOffice.org (was: Re: [marketing] Color)

[Alexandro Colorado]

On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 2:54 AM, Chaosun  wrote:

>
> >> Naming issue again. It makes no sense arguing somehow. Name is a name
> >> anyway. People actually don't care about the names, if it changed, may
> cause
> >> confusing or unconfortable. Let's please focus on the office suit itself
> > >instead of those ichiness.
> >>
>
> >Wow people don't care about the name... seems you never study branding in
> >marketing. Most of the time the brand "Google" can make an  office suite
> >matter more than when it was called writley.
>
> Well, I never study, but how much end users do? You can teach me the
> branding
> thing in marketing. However, people may have the conversation like this
> "OpenOffice "   "NO, OpenOffice.org"  "What???"  "I mean
> OpenOffice.org"
> "What ever."
> IMHO, no offence.
>

Well I have been involved with OpenOffice.org in 10 years and people want to
pronounced it correctly. If they listen to it like that, the problem is that
most people don't write it with the .org and by that I mean Magazines,
Distros, etc.

Most of the OOo site is written as OpenOffice.org same as books and such.
Many people say Microsoft Office completely as opposed to "Office", except
on casual ocassions. So branding is really important.



>
> Chao
>
> >
> > >On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 5:10 PM, Ben Pracht 
> wrote:
> >
> > > I still say it'd be better to use something other than .org, even if it
> > > meant a name change to something close but not trademarked.  I don't
> > think
> > > names are a light issue either, especially since really, that's the
> first
> > > exposure someone's going to have to the product.
> > >
> > > Ben
> > >
> > > On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 5:07 PM, Christoph Noack <
> christ...@dogmatux.com
> > > >wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi Ben,
> > > >
> > > > I know that this sometimes is a bit ... strange. Especially since
> > nobody
> > > > really cares about the proper naming (e.g. in the press). However,
> here
> > > > is the reason: http://www.openoffice.org/FAQs/faq-other.html#4
> > > >
> > > > Cheers,
> > > > Christoph
> > > >
> > > > Am Dienstag, den 18.05.2010, 15:59 -0500 schrieb Ben Pracht:
> > > > > There's something that's bothered me since I started using
> OpenOffice
> > > > which
> > > > > I wish also got changed, which was the use of OOo or appending .org
> > at
> > > > the
> > > > > end of it.  The first one reminds me of the acronym for Out of
> > Office,
> > > or
> > > > > some sort of impolite personal accident.  Appending .org seems
> > > > superfluous.
> > > > > It's also easier to roll off your tongue if you can just say
> > OpenOffice
> > > > or
> > > > > something like that.  I'd suggest the next time branding issues
> come
> > up
> > > > in a
> > > > > somewhat major way to take up investigating this.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > Ben
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 3:47 PM, Christoph Noack <
> > > christ...@dogmatux.com
> > > > >wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hi Sophie, hi Miroslav!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Miroslav, you asked for the colors in the ODF icons. As I
> > understood
> > > > > > Sophie, there might be a chance to improve the usability and
> > branding
> > > > of
> > > > > > the currently ODF-only icons. Personally, I don't know ... there
> > have
> > > > > > been many questions, but no real comment by one of the team
> > members.
> > > So
> > > > > > if this is important to you (as it is to me), please follow
> > Sophie's
> > > > > > hint to join the branding effort and help us to drive that topic.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In the meantime, there has been a request by Bernhard to the
> > > Community
> > > > > > Council. He asks why there hasn't been any community involvement
> > with
> > > > > > regard to the ODF icons ... currently there are (slow)
> discussions
> > > > going
> > > > > > on. [1]
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > > Christoph
> > > > > >
> > > > > > [1]
> > > http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Community_Council/Agenda
> > > > > > (2010-04-29#2<
> > > >
> > >
> >
> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Community_Council/Agenda%0A%282010-04-29#2
> > > >Missing
> > > > OOo desktop presence)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Am Dienstag, den 18.05.2010, 20:23 +0200 schrieb Sophie:
> > > > > > > Hi Miroslav,
> > > > > > > Miroslav Mazel wrote:
> > > > > > > > We've been discussing the omission of color pretty thoroughly
> > > since
> > > > > > > the OOo
> > > > > > > > branding was changed, but it seems that it lead to...
> nothing.
> > Is
> > > > > > > the lack
> > > > > > > > of color in application icons and file icons final? Could we
> > have
> > > > an
> > > > > > > > official vote on this?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > This is not final and if you want to follow/help on this, the
> > > > > > > discussions happen on the branding list
> > > > > > [...]
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > -
> > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-u

Re: [marketing] OT OpenOffice vs. OpenOffice.org (was: Re: [marketing] Color)

[Chaosun]

>> Naming issue again. It makes no sense arguing somehow. Name is a name
>> anyway. People actually don't care about the names, if it changed, may cause
>> confusing or unconfortable. Let's please focus on the office suit itself
> >instead of those ichiness.
>>

>Wow people don't care about the name... seems you never study branding in
>marketing. Most of the time the brand "Google" can make an  office suite
>matter more than when it was called writley.

Well, I never study, but how much end users do? You can teach me the branding
thing in marketing. However, people may have the conversation like this
"OpenOffice "   "NO, OpenOffice.org"  "What???"  "I mean 
OpenOffice.org"
"What ever."
IMHO, no offence.

Chao

>
> >On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 5:10 PM, Ben Pracht  wrote:
>
> > I still say it'd be better to use something other than .org, even if it
> > meant a name change to something close but not trademarked.  I don't
> think
> > names are a light issue either, especially since really, that's the first
> > exposure someone's going to have to the product.
> >
> > Ben
> >
> > On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 5:07 PM, Christoph Noack  > >wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Ben,
> > >
> > > I know that this sometimes is a bit ... strange. Especially since
> nobody
> > > really cares about the proper naming (e.g. in the press). However, here
> > > is the reason: http://www.openoffice.org/FAQs/faq-other.html#4
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Christoph
> > >
> > > Am Dienstag, den 18.05.2010, 15:59 -0500 schrieb Ben Pracht:
> > > > There's something that's bothered me since I started using OpenOffice
> > > which
> > > > I wish also got changed, which was the use of OOo or appending .org
> at
> > > the
> > > > end of it.  The first one reminds me of the acronym for Out of
> Office,
> > or
> > > > some sort of impolite personal accident.  Appending .org seems
> > > superfluous.
> > > > It's also easier to roll off your tongue if you can just say
> OpenOffice
> > > or
> > > > something like that.  I'd suggest the next time branding issues come
> up
> > > in a
> > > > somewhat major way to take up investigating this.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Ben
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 3:47 PM, Christoph Noack <
> > christ...@dogmatux.com
> > > >wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi Sophie, hi Miroslav!
> > > > >
> > > > > Miroslav, you asked for the colors in the ODF icons. As I
> understood
> > > > > Sophie, there might be a chance to improve the usability and
> branding
> > > of
> > > > > the currently ODF-only icons. Personally, I don't know ... there
> have
> > > > > been many questions, but no real comment by one of the team
> members.
> > So
> > > > > if this is important to you (as it is to me), please follow
> Sophie's
> > > > > hint to join the branding effort and help us to drive that topic.
> > > > >
> > > > > In the meantime, there has been a request by Bernhard to the
> > Community
> > > > > Council. He asks why there hasn't been any community involvement
> with
> > > > > regard to the ODF icons ... currently there are (slow) discussions
> > > going
> > > > > on. [1]
> > > > >
> > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > Christoph
> > > > >
> > > > > [1]
> > http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Community_Council/Agenda
> > > > > (2010-04-29#2<
> > >
> >
> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Community_Council/Agenda%0A%282010-04-29#2
> > >Missing
> > > OOo desktop presence)
> > > > >
> > > > > Am Dienstag, den 18.05.2010, 20:23 +0200 schrieb Sophie:
> > > > > > Hi Miroslav,
> > > > > > Miroslav Mazel wrote:
> > > > > > > We've been discussing the omission of color pretty thoroughly
> > since
> > > > > > the OOo
> > > > > > > branding was changed, but it seems that it lead to... nothing.
> Is
> > > > > > the lack
> > > > > > > of color in application icons and file icons final? Could we
> have
> > > an
> > > > > > > official vote on this?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This is not final and if you want to follow/help on this, the
> > > > > > discussions happen on the branding list
> > > > > [...]
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> -
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> > > > >
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>
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>



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Re: [marketing] OT OpenOffice vs. OpenOffice.org (was: Re: [marketing] Color)

[Miroslav Mazel]

Hi everyone,

On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 5:41 AM, Alexandro Colorado wrote:

> On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 10:29 PM, Chaosun  wrote:
>
> > Naming issue again. It makes no sense arguing somehow. Name is a name
> > anyway. People actually don't care about the names, if it changed, may
> cause
> > confusing or unconfortable. Let's please focus on the office suit itself
> > instead of those ichiness.
> >
>
> Wow people don't care about the name... seems you never study branding in
> marketing. Most of the time the brand "Google" can make an  office suite
> matter more than when it was called writley.
>
I agree that a name is important. I'm quite accustomed to the name
OpenOffice.org, I don't hate it, but if anyone suggested a really good
alternative, I'd be all for it. However, as it is, I haven't seen any good
suggestion so far. Putting something else than "org" behind the period
doesn't seem like a good solution to me, since it really doesn't even solve
the problem and destroys the connection to the web site (I actually like
this connection, as the user knows exactly what site to visit to get to
OOo's official page). A nice fix would be if the party that owns the name
"OpenOffice" allowed us to use it.
In any case, this thread can serve as a brainstorm for alternative names,
but it's not really an issue we need to focus on right now.

>
>
> >
> > Chao
> >
> >
> >
> > >On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 5:10 PM, Ben Pracht 
> wrote:
> >
> > > I still say it'd be better to use something other than .org, even if it
> > > meant a name change to something close but not trademarked.  I don't
> > think
> > > names are a light issue either, especially since really, that's the
> first
> > > exposure someone's going to have to the product.
> > >
> > > Ben
> > >
> > > On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 5:07 PM, Christoph Noack <
> christ...@dogmatux.com
> > > >wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi Ben,
> > > >
> > > > I know that this sometimes is a bit ... strange. Especially since
> > nobody
> > > > really cares about the proper naming (e.g. in the press). However,
> here
> > > > is the reason: http://www.openoffice.org/FAQs/faq-other.html#4
> > > >
> > > > Cheers,
> > > > Christoph
> > > >
> > > > Am Dienstag, den 18.05.2010, 15:59 -0500 schrieb Ben Pracht:
> > > > > There's something that's bothered me since I started using
> OpenOffice
> > > > which
> > > > > I wish also got changed, which was the use of OOo or appending .org
> > at
> > > > the
> > > > > end of it.  The first one reminds me of the acronym for Out of
> > Office,
> > > or
> > > > > some sort of impolite personal accident.  Appending .org seems
> > > > superfluous.
> > > > > It's also easier to roll off your tongue if you can just say
> > OpenOffice
> > > > or
> > > > > something like that.  I'd suggest the next time branding issues
> come
> > up
> > > > in a
> > > > > somewhat major way to take up investigating this.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > Ben
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 3:47 PM, Christoph Noack <
> > > christ...@dogmatux.com
> > > > >wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hi Sophie, hi Miroslav!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Miroslav, you asked for the colors in the ODF icons. As I
> > understood
> > > > > > Sophie, there might be a chance to improve the usability and
> > branding
> > > > of
> > > > > > the currently ODF-only icons. Personally, I don't know ... there
> > have
> > > > > > been many questions, but no real comment by one of the team
> > members.
> > > So
> > > > > > if this is important to you (as it is to me), please follow
> > Sophie's
> > > > > > hint to join the branding effort and help us to drive that topic.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In the meantime, there has been a request by Bernhard to the
> > > Community
> > > > > > Council. He asks why there hasn't been any community involvement
> > with
> > > > > > regard to the ODF icons ... currently there are (slow)
> discussions
> > > > going
> > > > > > on. [1]
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > > Christoph
> > > > > >
> > > > > > [1]
> > > http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Community_Council/Agenda
> > > > > > (2010-04-29#2<
> > > >
> > >
> >
> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Community_Council/Agenda%0A%282010-04-29#2
> > > >Missing
> > > > OOo desktop presence)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Am Dienstag, den 18.05.2010, 20:23 +0200 schrieb Sophie:
> > > > > > > Hi Miroslav,
> > > > > > > Miroslav Mazel wrote:
> > > > > > > > We've been discussing the omission of color pretty thoroughly
> > > since
> > > > > > > the OOo
> > > > > > > > branding was changed, but it seems that it lead to...
> nothing.
> > Is
> > > > > > > the lack
> > > > > > > > of color in application icons and file icons final? Could we
> > have
> > > > an
> > > > > > > > official vote on this?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > This is not final and if you want to follow/help on this, the
> > > > > > > discussions happen on the branding list
> > > > > > [...]
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > -

Re: [marketing] Color

[Miroslav Mazel]

The .org is there for legal reasons (the trademark OpenOffice is owned by
another party). In any case, I like the ".org" -- the first time I heard
about OpenOffice.org (and that was a long time ago), I knew exactly where to
go. People still use "OpenOffice" in speech, just officially, Oracle can't.

On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 10:59 PM, Ben Pracht  wrote:

> There's something that's bothered me since I started using OpenOffice which
> I wish also got changed, which was the use of OOo or appending .org at the
> end of it.  The first one reminds me of the acronym for Out of Office, or
> some sort of impolite personal accident.  Appending .org seems superfluous.
> It's also easier to roll off your tongue if you can just say OpenOffice or
> something like that.  I'd suggest the next time branding issues come up in
> a
> somewhat major way to take up investigating this.
>
> Thanks,
> Ben
>
>
>
> On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 3:47 PM, Christoph Noack  >wrote:
>
> > Hi Sophie, hi Miroslav!
> >
> > Miroslav, you asked for the colors in the ODF icons. As I understood
> > Sophie, there might be a chance to improve the usability and branding of
> > the currently ODF-only icons. Personally, I don't know ... there have
> > been many questions, but no real comment by one of the team members. So
> > if this is important to you (as it is to me), please follow Sophie's
> > hint to join the branding effort and help us to drive that topic.
> >
> > In the meantime, there has been a request by Bernhard to the Community
> > Council. He asks why there hasn't been any community involvement with
> > regard to the ODF icons ... currently there are (slow) discussions going
> > on. [1]
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Christoph
> >
> > [1] http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Community_Council/Agenda
> > (2010-04-29#2<
> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Community_Council/Agenda%0A%282010-04-29#2>Missing
> OOo desktop presence)
> >
> > Am Dienstag, den 18.05.2010, 20:23 +0200 schrieb Sophie:
> > > Hi Miroslav,
> > > Miroslav Mazel wrote:
> > > > We've been discussing the omission of color pretty thoroughly since
> > > the OOo
> > > > branding was changed, but it seems that it lead to... nothing. Is
> > > the lack
> > > > of color in application icons and file icons final? Could we have an
> > > > official vote on this?
> > >
> > > This is not final and if you want to follow/help on this, the
> > > discussions happen on the branding list
> > [...]
> >
> >
> > -
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Re: [marketing] OT OpenOffice vs. OpenOffice.org (was: Re: [marketing] Color)

[Alexandro Colorado]

On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 10:29 PM, Chaosun  wrote:

> Naming issue again. It makes no sense arguing somehow. Name is a name
> anyway. People actually don't care about the names, if it changed, may cause
> confusing or unconfortable. Let's please focus on the office suit itself
> instead of those ichiness.
>

Wow people don't care about the name... seems you never study branding in
marketing. Most of the time the brand "Google" can make an  office suite
matter more than when it was called writley.


>
> Chao
>
>
>
> >On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 5:10 PM, Ben Pracht  wrote:
>
> > I still say it'd be better to use something other than .org, even if it
> > meant a name change to something close but not trademarked.  I don't
> think
> > names are a light issue either, especially since really, that's the first
> > exposure someone's going to have to the product.
> >
> > Ben
> >
> > On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 5:07 PM, Christoph Noack  > >wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Ben,
> > >
> > > I know that this sometimes is a bit ... strange. Especially since
> nobody
> > > really cares about the proper naming (e.g. in the press). However, here
> > > is the reason: http://www.openoffice.org/FAQs/faq-other.html#4
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Christoph
> > >
> > > Am Dienstag, den 18.05.2010, 15:59 -0500 schrieb Ben Pracht:
> > > > There's something that's bothered me since I started using OpenOffice
> > > which
> > > > I wish also got changed, which was the use of OOo or appending .org
> at
> > > the
> > > > end of it.  The first one reminds me of the acronym for Out of
> Office,
> > or
> > > > some sort of impolite personal accident.  Appending .org seems
> > > superfluous.
> > > > It's also easier to roll off your tongue if you can just say
> OpenOffice
> > > or
> > > > something like that.  I'd suggest the next time branding issues come
> up
> > > in a
> > > > somewhat major way to take up investigating this.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Ben
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 3:47 PM, Christoph Noack <
> > christ...@dogmatux.com
> > > >wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi Sophie, hi Miroslav!
> > > > >
> > > > > Miroslav, you asked for the colors in the ODF icons. As I
> understood
> > > > > Sophie, there might be a chance to improve the usability and
> branding
> > > of
> > > > > the currently ODF-only icons. Personally, I don't know ... there
> have
> > > > > been many questions, but no real comment by one of the team
> members.
> > So
> > > > > if this is important to you (as it is to me), please follow
> Sophie's
> > > > > hint to join the branding effort and help us to drive that topic.
> > > > >
> > > > > In the meantime, there has been a request by Bernhard to the
> > Community
> > > > > Council. He asks why there hasn't been any community involvement
> with
> > > > > regard to the ODF icons ... currently there are (slow) discussions
> > > going
> > > > > on. [1]
> > > > >
> > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > Christoph
> > > > >
> > > > > [1]
> > http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Community_Council/Agenda
> > > > > (2010-04-29#2<
> > >
> >
> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Community_Council/Agenda%0A%282010-04-29#2
> > >Missing
> > > OOo desktop presence)
> > > > >
> > > > > Am Dienstag, den 18.05.2010, 20:23 +0200 schrieb Sophie:
> > > > > > Hi Miroslav,
> > > > > > Miroslav Mazel wrote:
> > > > > > > We've been discussing the omission of color pretty thoroughly
> > since
> > > > > > the OOo
> > > > > > > branding was changed, but it seems that it lead to... nothing.
> Is
> > > > > > the lack
> > > > > > > of color in application icons and file icons final? Could we
> have
> > > an
> > > > > > > official vote on this?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This is not final and if you want to follow/help on this, the
> > > > > > discussions happen on the branding list
> > > > > [...]
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> -
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Re: [marketing] OT OpenOffice vs. OpenOffice.org (was: Re: [marketing] Color)

[Chaosun]

Naming issue again. It makes no sense arguing somehow. Name is a name anyway. 
People actually don't care about the names, if it changed, may cause confusing 
or unconfortable. Let's please focus on the office suit itself instead of those 
ichiness.

Chao



>On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 5:10 PM, Ben Pracht  wrote:

> I still say it'd be better to use something other than .org, even if it
> meant a name change to something close but not trademarked.  I don't think
> names are a light issue either, especially since really, that's the first
> exposure someone's going to have to the product.
>
> Ben
>
> On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 5:07 PM, Christoph Noack  >wrote:
>
> > Hi Ben,
> >
> > I know that this sometimes is a bit ... strange. Especially since nobody
> > really cares about the proper naming (e.g. in the press). However, here
> > is the reason: http://www.openoffice.org/FAQs/faq-other.html#4
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Christoph
> >
> > Am Dienstag, den 18.05.2010, 15:59 -0500 schrieb Ben Pracht:
> > > There's something that's bothered me since I started using OpenOffice
> > which
> > > I wish also got changed, which was the use of OOo or appending .org at
> > the
> > > end of it.  The first one reminds me of the acronym for Out of Office,
> or
> > > some sort of impolite personal accident.  Appending .org seems
> > superfluous.
> > > It's also easier to roll off your tongue if you can just say OpenOffice
> > or
> > > something like that.  I'd suggest the next time branding issues come up
> > in a
> > > somewhat major way to take up investigating this.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Ben
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 3:47 PM, Christoph Noack <
> christ...@dogmatux.com
> > >wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi Sophie, hi Miroslav!
> > > >
> > > > Miroslav, you asked for the colors in the ODF icons. As I understood
> > > > Sophie, there might be a chance to improve the usability and branding
> > of
> > > > the currently ODF-only icons. Personally, I don't know ... there have
> > > > been many questions, but no real comment by one of the team members.
> So
> > > > if this is important to you (as it is to me), please follow Sophie's
> > > > hint to join the branding effort and help us to drive that topic.
> > > >
> > > > In the meantime, there has been a request by Bernhard to the
> Community
> > > > Council. He asks why there hasn't been any community involvement with
> > > > regard to the ODF icons ... currently there are (slow) discussions
> > going
> > > > on. [1]
> > > >
> > > > Cheers,
> > > > Christoph
> > > >
> > > > [1]
> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Community_Council/Agenda
> > > > (2010-04-29#2<
> >
> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Community_Council/Agenda%0A%282010-04-29#2
> >Missing
> > OOo desktop presence)
> > > >
> > > > Am Dienstag, den 18.05.2010, 20:23 +0200 schrieb Sophie:
> > > > > Hi Miroslav,
> > > > > Miroslav Mazel wrote:
> > > > > > We've been discussing the omission of color pretty thoroughly
> since
> > > > > the OOo
> > > > > > branding was changed, but it seems that it lead to... nothing. Is
> > > > > the lack
> > > > > > of color in application icons and file icons final? Could we have
> > an
> > > > > > official vote on this?
> > > > >
> > > > > This is not final and if you want to follow/help on this, the
> > > > > discussions happen on the branding list
> > > > [...]
> > > >
> > > >
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Re: [marketing] OT OpenOffice vs. OpenOffice.org (was: Re: [marketing] Color)

[Alexandro Colorado]

I am ok with .org I think this is better than proposing a name change.

On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 5:10 PM, Ben Pracht  wrote:

> I still say it'd be better to use something other than .org, even if it
> meant a name change to something close but not trademarked.  I don't think
> names are a light issue either, especially since really, that's the first
> exposure someone's going to have to the product.
>
> Ben
>
> On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 5:07 PM, Christoph Noack  >wrote:
>
> > Hi Ben,
> >
> > I know that this sometimes is a bit ... strange. Especially since nobody
> > really cares about the proper naming (e.g. in the press). However, here
> > is the reason: http://www.openoffice.org/FAQs/faq-other.html#4
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Christoph
> >
> > Am Dienstag, den 18.05.2010, 15:59 -0500 schrieb Ben Pracht:
> > > There's something that's bothered me since I started using OpenOffice
> > which
> > > I wish also got changed, which was the use of OOo or appending .org at
> > the
> > > end of it.  The first one reminds me of the acronym for Out of Office,
> or
> > > some sort of impolite personal accident.  Appending .org seems
> > superfluous.
> > > It's also easier to roll off your tongue if you can just say OpenOffice
> > or
> > > something like that.  I'd suggest the next time branding issues come up
> > in a
> > > somewhat major way to take up investigating this.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Ben
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 3:47 PM, Christoph Noack <
> christ...@dogmatux.com
> > >wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi Sophie, hi Miroslav!
> > > >
> > > > Miroslav, you asked for the colors in the ODF icons. As I understood
> > > > Sophie, there might be a chance to improve the usability and branding
> > of
> > > > the currently ODF-only icons. Personally, I don't know ... there have
> > > > been many questions, but no real comment by one of the team members.
> So
> > > > if this is important to you (as it is to me), please follow Sophie's
> > > > hint to join the branding effort and help us to drive that topic.
> > > >
> > > > In the meantime, there has been a request by Bernhard to the
> Community
> > > > Council. He asks why there hasn't been any community involvement with
> > > > regard to the ODF icons ... currently there are (slow) discussions
> > going
> > > > on. [1]
> > > >
> > > > Cheers,
> > > > Christoph
> > > >
> > > > [1]
> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Community_Council/Agenda
> > > > (2010-04-29#2<
> >
> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Community_Council/Agenda%0A%282010-04-29#2
> >Missing
> > OOo desktop presence)
> > > >
> > > > Am Dienstag, den 18.05.2010, 20:23 +0200 schrieb Sophie:
> > > > > Hi Miroslav,
> > > > > Miroslav Mazel wrote:
> > > > > > We've been discussing the omission of color pretty thoroughly
> since
> > > > > the OOo
> > > > > > branding was changed, but it seems that it lead to... nothing. Is
> > > > > the lack
> > > > > > of color in application icons and file icons final? Could we have
> > an
> > > > > > official vote on this?
> > > > >
> > > > > This is not final and if you want to follow/help on this, the
> > > > > discussions happen on the branding list
> > > > [...]
> > > >
> > > >
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Re: [marketing] OT OpenOffice vs. OpenOffice.org (was: Re: [marketing] Color)

[Ben Pracht]

I still say it'd be better to use something other than .org, even if it
meant a name change to something close but not trademarked.  I don't think
names are a light issue either, especially since really, that's the first
exposure someone's going to have to the product.

Ben

On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 5:07 PM, Christoph Noack wrote:

> Hi Ben,
>
> I know that this sometimes is a bit ... strange. Especially since nobody
> really cares about the proper naming (e.g. in the press). However, here
> is the reason: http://www.openoffice.org/FAQs/faq-other.html#4
>
> Cheers,
> Christoph
>
> Am Dienstag, den 18.05.2010, 15:59 -0500 schrieb Ben Pracht:
> > There's something that's bothered me since I started using OpenOffice
> which
> > I wish also got changed, which was the use of OOo or appending .org at
> the
> > end of it.  The first one reminds me of the acronym for Out of Office, or
> > some sort of impolite personal accident.  Appending .org seems
> superfluous.
> > It's also easier to roll off your tongue if you can just say OpenOffice
> or
> > something like that.  I'd suggest the next time branding issues come up
> in a
> > somewhat major way to take up investigating this.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Ben
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 3:47 PM, Christoph Noack  >wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Sophie, hi Miroslav!
> > >
> > > Miroslav, you asked for the colors in the ODF icons. As I understood
> > > Sophie, there might be a chance to improve the usability and branding
> of
> > > the currently ODF-only icons. Personally, I don't know ... there have
> > > been many questions, but no real comment by one of the team members. So
> > > if this is important to you (as it is to me), please follow Sophie's
> > > hint to join the branding effort and help us to drive that topic.
> > >
> > > In the meantime, there has been a request by Bernhard to the Community
> > > Council. He asks why there hasn't been any community involvement with
> > > regard to the ODF icons ... currently there are (slow) discussions
> going
> > > on. [1]
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Christoph
> > >
> > > [1] http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Community_Council/Agenda
> > > (2010-04-29#2<
> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Community_Council/Agenda%0A%282010-04-29#2>Missing
> OOo desktop presence)
> > >
> > > Am Dienstag, den 18.05.2010, 20:23 +0200 schrieb Sophie:
> > > > Hi Miroslav,
> > > > Miroslav Mazel wrote:
> > > > > We've been discussing the omission of color pretty thoroughly since
> > > > the OOo
> > > > > branding was changed, but it seems that it lead to... nothing. Is
> > > > the lack
> > > > > of color in application icons and file icons final? Could we have
> an
> > > > > official vote on this?
> > > >
> > > > This is not final and if you want to follow/help on this, the
> > > > discussions happen on the branding list
> > > [...]
> > >
> > >
> > > -
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[marketing] OT OpenOffice vs. OpenOffice.org (was: Re: [marketing] Color)

[Christoph Noack]

Hi Ben,

I know that this sometimes is a bit ... strange. Especially since nobody
really cares about the proper naming (e.g. in the press). However, here
is the reason: http://www.openoffice.org/FAQs/faq-other.html#4

Cheers,
Christoph

Am Dienstag, den 18.05.2010, 15:59 -0500 schrieb Ben Pracht:
> There's something that's bothered me since I started using OpenOffice which
> I wish also got changed, which was the use of OOo or appending .org at the
> end of it.  The first one reminds me of the acronym for Out of Office, or
> some sort of impolite personal accident.  Appending .org seems superfluous.
> It's also easier to roll off your tongue if you can just say OpenOffice or
> something like that.  I'd suggest the next time branding issues come up in a
> somewhat major way to take up investigating this.
> 
> Thanks,
> Ben
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 3:47 PM, Christoph Noack 
> wrote:
> 
> > Hi Sophie, hi Miroslav!
> >
> > Miroslav, you asked for the colors in the ODF icons. As I understood
> > Sophie, there might be a chance to improve the usability and branding of
> > the currently ODF-only icons. Personally, I don't know ... there have
> > been many questions, but no real comment by one of the team members. So
> > if this is important to you (as it is to me), please follow Sophie's
> > hint to join the branding effort and help us to drive that topic.
> >
> > In the meantime, there has been a request by Bernhard to the Community
> > Council. He asks why there hasn't been any community involvement with
> > regard to the ODF icons ... currently there are (slow) discussions going
> > on. [1]
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Christoph
> >
> > [1] http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Community_Council/Agenda
> > (2010-04-29#2Missing
> >  OOo desktop presence)
> >
> > Am Dienstag, den 18.05.2010, 20:23 +0200 schrieb Sophie:
> > > Hi Miroslav,
> > > Miroslav Mazel wrote:
> > > > We've been discussing the omission of color pretty thoroughly since
> > > the OOo
> > > > branding was changed, but it seems that it lead to... nothing. Is
> > > the lack
> > > > of color in application icons and file icons final? Could we have an
> > > > official vote on this?
> > >
> > > This is not final and if you want to follow/help on this, the
> > > discussions happen on the branding list
> > [...]
> >
> >
> > -
> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org
> > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
> >
> >



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Re: [marketing] Color

[Ben Pracht]

There's something that's bothered me since I started using OpenOffice which
I wish also got changed, which was the use of OOo or appending .org at the
end of it.  The first one reminds me of the acronym for Out of Office, or
some sort of impolite personal accident.  Appending .org seems superfluous.
It's also easier to roll off your tongue if you can just say OpenOffice or
something like that.  I'd suggest the next time branding issues come up in a
somewhat major way to take up investigating this.

Thanks,
Ben



On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 3:47 PM, Christoph Noack wrote:

> Hi Sophie, hi Miroslav!
>
> Miroslav, you asked for the colors in the ODF icons. As I understood
> Sophie, there might be a chance to improve the usability and branding of
> the currently ODF-only icons. Personally, I don't know ... there have
> been many questions, but no real comment by one of the team members. So
> if this is important to you (as it is to me), please follow Sophie's
> hint to join the branding effort and help us to drive that topic.
>
> In the meantime, there has been a request by Bernhard to the Community
> Council. He asks why there hasn't been any community involvement with
> regard to the ODF icons ... currently there are (slow) discussions going
> on. [1]
>
> Cheers,
> Christoph
>
> [1] http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Community_Council/Agenda
> (2010-04-29#2Missing
>  OOo desktop presence)
>
> Am Dienstag, den 18.05.2010, 20:23 +0200 schrieb Sophie:
> > Hi Miroslav,
> > Miroslav Mazel wrote:
> > > We've been discussing the omission of color pretty thoroughly since
> > the OOo
> > > branding was changed, but it seems that it lead to... nothing. Is
> > the lack
> > > of color in application icons and file icons final? Could we have an
> > > official vote on this?
> >
> > This is not final and if you want to follow/help on this, the
> > discussions happen on the branding list
> [...]
>
>
> -
> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org
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>
>

Re: [marketing] Color

[Christoph Noack]

Hi Sophie, hi Miroslav!

Miroslav, you asked for the colors in the ODF icons. As I understood
Sophie, there might be a chance to improve the usability and branding of
the currently ODF-only icons. Personally, I don't know ... there have
been many questions, but no real comment by one of the team members. So
if this is important to you (as it is to me), please follow Sophie's
hint to join the branding effort and help us to drive that topic.

In the meantime, there has been a request by Bernhard to the Community
Council. He asks why there hasn't been any community involvement with
regard to the ODF icons ... currently there are (slow) discussions going
on. [1]

Cheers,
Christoph

[1] http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Community_Council/Agenda
(2010-04-29#2 Missing OOo desktop presence)

Am Dienstag, den 18.05.2010, 20:23 +0200 schrieb Sophie:
> Hi Miroslav,
> Miroslav Mazel wrote:
> > We've been discussing the omission of color pretty thoroughly since
> the OOo
> > branding was changed, but it seems that it lead to... nothing. Is
> the lack
> > of color in application icons and file icons final? Could we have an
> > official vote on this?
> 
> This is not final and if you want to follow/help on this, the 
> discussions happen on the branding list
[...]


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Re: [marketing] Color

[goldfish]

Hi,

More color is a great idea.

Some transparency in the color adds slickness and some reflection adds 
polish, going by the current trends and aesthetics.


Tools-> Options ->  View -> Icon Size and style does give some choice.

I like the 'Galaxy' icons.

Regards,
Paul


-Original Message-
From: Miroslav Mazel 
To: dev@marketing.openoffice.org
Sent: Tue, 18 May 2010 11:25 pm
Subject: [marketing] Color


We've been discussing the omission of color pretty thoroughly since the 
OOobranding was changed, but it seems that it lead to... nothing. Is 
the lackof color in application icons and file icons final? Could we 
have anofficial vote on this?I think this is a topic important enough 
to really pay attention to(especially now that we're nearing release), 
because it could really, reallybring down the usability of OOo.P. S. 
The best office suite icons I've seen come from the elementary iconpack 
(http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Elementary+Icons?content=73439),w
hich color the entire icon with a particular color and puts a nice 
bigsymbol in the middle (like notes for a sound file, or a W for a Word 
file).It's really easy to pick out the right files that way and it 
looks reallygreat.-- This is a site which donates money to a custom 
charity when you search(Google or Yahoo!): http://www.neoaid.com/
 


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Re: [marketing] Color

[Sophie]

Hi Miroslav,
Miroslav Mazel wrote:

We've been discussing the omission of color pretty thoroughly since the OOo
branding was changed, but it seems that it lead to... nothing. Is the lack
of color in application icons and file icons final? Could we have an
official vote on this?


This is not final and if you want to follow/help on this, the 
discussions happen on the branding list brand...@marketing.openoffice.org

There is a wiki page that should update what is being worked on
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Branding_Initiative/Branding_Areas
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Application_Rebranding_-_Project_Home_Page

I think this is a topic important enough to really pay attention to
(especially now that we're nearing release), because it could really, really
bring down the usability of OOo.


As usual, we need the help of all here, if we want that things go well, 
there is a lot of work to achieve and the more hands the better.


Kind regards
Sophie

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