Re: [marketing] voice conferences
Hi Viktor, Did you receive my last message? Is it possible the meeting with our representive in Germany at the middle of next week? Keep me informed, please, about suitable place of meeting. Can it be Munchen? For Alex it is the most convenient city. Answer, please. Regards. yes, I received your message, but didn't have the time yet to write back, unfortunately. Sorry, quite swamped and overloaded with work at the moment. I'm glad to meet you in Munich, and will be there on the evening of Friday, 20th, for the next open source meeting. But please keep in mind that we at the moment do *NOT* plan to spend a lot of money on this, so please don't expect any orders or job from us regarding a VoIP implementation. I'm happy to hear what you offer and share thoughts, but at the moment, it looks like we'll either go with a hosted solution, or set up our own Asterisk server (which I already did for my private system, so no consultancy needed here). :-) Florian - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] voice conferences
Florian Hi Did you receive my last message? Is it possible the meeting with our representive in Germany at the middle of next week? Keep me informed, please, about suitable place of meeting. Can it be Munchen? For Alex it is the most convenient city. Answer, please. Regards. Yours truly Viktor > Hi Alexandro, > >> This is very up to Sun, however they seem to be too limited, since >> they dont offer SIP connectivity or provide recordings of the call to >> everyone email. I have seen that there are some that do provide this >> functionality including totally programable IVR. This functionality >> will help us on organizign the calls that we need to do. > > I think the most important is reachability from normal phone networks. > Not everyone uses SIP, for various reasons -- it plain fails behind NAT > and firewalls, it needs a reliable internet connection, and you might > need new devices. SIP connectivity is a bonus, but nothing I see as > mandatory. > > I'm currently investigating in whether we can use the Sun network for > voice conferences. I recall that I tried once, but it wasn't possible, > but asking can't harm, so I did. :-) Will keep you posted. > > If that fails, we basically have two options: Setting up our own SIP > system with reachability from the outside world. The main problem is > maintenance and that we need a lot of SIP accounts to make it work. The > other option is using a hosted service, which "justs" costs some money, > but will give us more time to concentrate on relevant stuff rather than > administering some servers. > >> http://www.tollfreeforwarding.com >> >> This is a vendor I have seen for a while, it does provide toll free, >> Skype or SIP connectivity and also recordings along with other >> features. > > This looks interesting, however, if you need numbers in several > countries, it gets fairly expensive. And I doubt we need a toll-free > number. A local landline number would do it as well, IMHO. > > Florian > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] voice conferences
Hi Alexandro, This is very up to Sun, however they seem to be too limited, since they dont offer SIP connectivity or provide recordings of the call to everyone email. I have seen that there are some that do provide this functionality including totally programable IVR. This functionality will help us on organizign the calls that we need to do. I think the most important is reachability from normal phone networks. Not everyone uses SIP, for various reasons -- it plain fails behind NAT and firewalls, it needs a reliable internet connection, and you might need new devices. SIP connectivity is a bonus, but nothing I see as mandatory. I'm currently investigating in whether we can use the Sun network for voice conferences. I recall that I tried once, but it wasn't possible, but asking can't harm, so I did. :-) Will keep you posted. If that fails, we basically have two options: Setting up our own SIP system with reachability from the outside world. The main problem is maintenance and that we need a lot of SIP accounts to make it work. The other option is using a hosted service, which "justs" costs some money, but will give us more time to concentrate on relevant stuff rather than administering some servers. http://www.tollfreeforwarding.com This is a vendor I have seen for a while, it does provide toll free, Skype or SIP connectivity and also recordings along with other features. This looks interesting, however, if you need numbers in several countries, it gets fairly expensive. And I doubt we need a toll-free number. A local landline number would do it as well, IMHO. Florian - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] voice conferences
Hi Bernhard, What;s about the fourth possibility, suggested by one of the Sun employees at Orvieto: We could use their existing infrastructure for our calls. that's indeed a good point. I'll check that and get back to you soon. Thanks for pointing it out - I remember I once tried to get access, but as you heard rumors it might be possible, it's a chance to try it out again. :-) Florian - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] voice conferences
On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 4:48 PM, Bernhard Dippold wrote: > Hi Florian, all, > > Florian Effenberger schrieb: >> >> Hi, >> [...] Basically, we have several options. The easiest and cheapest one is >> setting up a machine with Asterisk and several SIP connections. We "just" >> need local SIP dialin numbers in various countries. In Germany that's pretty >> easy, worldwide it might get harder. >> >> The other one is choosing a service that has local dial-in numbers world >> wide and use it as a hosted solution. I have no clue about the costs there, >> though. >> >> The "luxury" one is having a worldwide toll-free number. > > What;s about the fourth possibility, suggested by one of the Sun employees > at Orvieto: > > We could use their existing infrastructure for our calls. > > If this would be possible, we wouldn't need to install our own service - > maintaining this might become even more problematic than the costs... > > I could imagine, that the marketing lead and co-lead would be allowed to get > access to the Sun infrastructure and the passwords to install such calls for > the marketing project. > > It's just an idea - not discussed with any relevant group. > > But if Sun or any other contributer would offer such a service to the > community, I'd think this would be easier than our own service. > Perhaps it might be worthwhile to ask ... > > Best regards > > Bernhard >> >> #2 and especially #3 can get quite expensive, so at first, we should check >> the actual demand. I doubt we are in the need for a worldwide toll-free >> number. How many people actually do use conference calls or plan to do so? >> We should be reasonable here... >> >> My try would be to first compile a list of conference services available >> worldwide or locally, their costs and dial-in options, and then see what can >> be covered with that. The wiki page is a good starter, I guess. >> >> Florian >> >> - >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org > > This is very up to Sun, however they seem to be too limited, since they dont offer SIP connectivity or provide recordings of the call to everyone email. I have seen that there are some that do provide this functionality including totally programable IVR. This functionality will help us on organizign the calls that we need to do. http://www.tollfreeforwarding.com This is a vendor I have seen for a while, it does provide toll free, Skype or SIP connectivity and also recordings along with other features. -- Alexandro Colorado OpenOffice.org Español IM: j...@jabber.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] voice conferences
Hi Florian, all, Florian Effenberger schrieb: Hi, [...] Basically, we have several options. The easiest and cheapest one is setting up a machine with Asterisk and several SIP connections. We "just" need local SIP dialin numbers in various countries. In Germany that's pretty easy, worldwide it might get harder. The other one is choosing a service that has local dial-in numbers world wide and use it as a hosted solution. I have no clue about the costs there, though. The "luxury" one is having a worldwide toll-free number. What;s about the fourth possibility, suggested by one of the Sun employees at Orvieto: We could use their existing infrastructure for our calls. If this would be possible, we wouldn't need to install our own service - maintaining this might become even more problematic than the costs... I could imagine, that the marketing lead and co-lead would be allowed to get access to the Sun infrastructure and the passwords to install such calls for the marketing project. It's just an idea - not discussed with any relevant group. But if Sun or any other contributer would offer such a service to the community, I'd think this would be easier than our own service. Perhaps it might be worthwhile to ask ... Best regards Bernhard #2 and especially #3 can get quite expensive, so at first, we should check the actual demand. I doubt we are in the need for a worldwide toll-free number. How many people actually do use conference calls or plan to do so? We should be reasonable here... My try would be to first compile a list of conference services available worldwide or locally, their costs and dial-in options, and then see what can be covered with that. The wiki page is a good starter, I guess. Florian - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] voice conferences
Hi Sophie, We had, long time ago, this kind of conferences to organize the localization process. Rafaela was organizing them. I think it's quiet effective because reactions and decision are quickly made, but there are some difficulties: - depending on where you are located, the communication may be difficult. For l10n, I was in Africa and the conversation was made of holes and echo making it difficult to follow. It might be different with SIP, I don't know - language, it's more easy to read than to speak when you're not fluent with English and the different accents (mine for example is horrible ;) may complicate the comprehension. thanks for sharing this experience! Yes, I agree, it might not be feasible for anyone. There are also other limiting factors like time(zones) that prevent people from using this service. The other point is, how many people actually would use it. We should check that first before spending money. I doubt anyone actually used the wiki page I compiled :-) That's a good idea. I'm currently thinking of a mechanism to enhance the inter-project communication also. I think we could take advantage of a better communication between says l10n/QA/Documentation for example. Agreed! That could also be done via Skype or IRC, depending on what we need. This is cost-effective for anyone. Florian - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] voice conferences
Hi, thanks for everyone's suggestions! Basically, we have several options. The easiest and cheapest one is setting up a machine with Asterisk and several SIP connections. We "just" need local SIP dialin numbers in various countries. In Germany that's pretty easy, worldwide it might get harder. The other one is choosing a service that has local dial-in numbers world wide and use it as a hosted solution. I have no clue about the costs there, though. The "luxury" one is having a worldwide toll-free number. #2 and especially #3 can get quite expensive, so at first, we should check the actual demand. I doubt we are in the need for a worldwide toll-free number. How many people actually do use conference calls or plan to do so? We should be reasonable here... My try would be to first compile a list of conference services available worldwide or locally, their costs and dial-in options, and then see what can be covered with that. The wiki page is a good starter, I guess. Florian - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] voice conferences
ç +1 ---Mensaje original--- De: Alexandro Colorado Fecha: 09/11/2009 02:06:24 a.m. Para: dev Asunto: Re: [marketing] voice conferences +1 2009/11/8 Roman Gelbort : > Lars Nooden escribió: >> >> Florian Effenberger wrote: >>> >>> ... we could set up our own >>> system based on SIP and Asterisk, but before evaluating, I'd like to >>> know if there is any need at all. >> >> +1 > > +1 > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org > > -- Alexandro Colorado OpenOffice.org Español IM: j...@jabber.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] voice conferences
Alexandro Colorado wrote: > wee need to be able to have an analog hole. being a toll free number > that doesn't only depend on VOIP. VOIP - HAM gateway? ;) /Lars - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] voice conferences
wee need to be able to have an analog hole. being a toll free number that doesn't only depend on VOIP. On 11/9/09, sh...@pi-consult.by wrote: > Dear Florian > > Hi > > If it is helpful for OOo pi-consult can take part in this project (voice > conference) because has good experience in VoIP (SIP, Open Source, Mac > etc.) If you have interest in involving us to this software development I > can send you description of our previuos expertise. Regards. > > Yours truly > Viktor > > >> Hello, >> >> during OOoCon, the idea of voice/audio conferences have been mentioned >> several times, and I'd like to pick up two aspects. >> >> - Many large companies, including Sun, do have voice conferencing >> systems to invite partners to when doing three-party-calls. We don't >> have access to our own system. Is this a dire need for MarCons, have you >> ever needed a professional audioconferencing system? I've compiled a >> list of free services a while ago at >> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Phone_Conferences - any country >> not covered that is in need? We have some funding from the marketing >> project, and given time and technical expertise, we could set up our own >> system based on SIP and Asterisk, but before evaluating, I'd like to >> know if there is any need at all. >> >> - We've also discovered that we have some lack of communication, (not >> only) in the marketing project. The idea during the marketing meeting >> was to have monthly audio conferences to keep everyone up to date. What >> do you think of it? I see some issues here - time and that some might be >> more convenient with using text-based IRC - but I'd like to open the >> discussion. From Mozilla I know they even do regular conference calls >> open for the press, so we might pick that one up... >> >> Florian >> >> - >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org >> >> > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org > > -- Alexandro Colorado OpenOffice.org Español IM: j...@jabber.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] voice conferences
Juergen Schmidt escribió: i expect the all +1 means, yes we need an own system. I think we should be a little bit more precise here why we need such a system. A little bit more elaboration of the pro and cons would probably helpful +1, yes we need an own system. Skype and another free (as in free beer) systems not always work well. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] voice conferences
Dear Florian Hi If it is helpful for OOo pi-consult can take part in this project (voice conference) because has good experience in VoIP (SIP, Open Source, Mac etc.) If you have interest in involving us to this software development I can send you description of our previuos expertise. Regards. Yours truly Viktor > Hello, > > during OOoCon, the idea of voice/audio conferences have been mentioned > several times, and I'd like to pick up two aspects. > > - Many large companies, including Sun, do have voice conferencing > systems to invite partners to when doing three-party-calls. We don't > have access to our own system. Is this a dire need for MarCons, have you > ever needed a professional audioconferencing system? I've compiled a > list of free services a while ago at > http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Phone_Conferences - any country > not covered that is in need? We have some funding from the marketing > project, and given time and technical expertise, we could set up our own > system based on SIP and Asterisk, but before evaluating, I'd like to > know if there is any need at all. > > - We've also discovered that we have some lack of communication, (not > only) in the marketing project. The idea during the marketing meeting > was to have monthly audio conferences to keep everyone up to date. What > do you think of it? I see some issues here - time and that some might be > more convenient with using text-based IRC - but I'd like to open the > discussion. From Mozilla I know they even do regular conference calls > open for the press, so we might pick that one up... > > Florian > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] voice conferences
Hi Florian, Florian Effenberger wrote: Hello, during OOoCon, the idea of voice/audio conferences have been mentioned several times, and I'd like to pick up two aspects. - Many large companies, including Sun, do have voice conferencing systems to invite partners to when doing three-party-calls. We don't have access to our own system. Is this a dire need for MarCons, have you ever needed a professional audioconferencing system? I've compiled a list of free services a while ago at http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Phone_Conferences - any country not covered that is in need? We have some funding from the marketing project, and given time and technical expertise, we could set up our own system based on SIP and Asterisk, but before evaluating, I'd like to know if there is any need at all. We had, long time ago, this kind of conferences to organize the localization process. Rafaela was organizing them. I think it's quiet effective because reactions and decision are quickly made, but there are some difficulties: - depending on where you are located, the communication may be difficult. For l10n, I was in Africa and the conversation was made of holes and echo making it difficult to follow. It might be different with SIP, I don't know - language, it's more easy to read than to speak when you're not fluent with English and the different accents (mine for example is horrible ;) may complicate the comprehension. - We've also discovered that we have some lack of communication, (not only) in the marketing project. The idea during the marketing meeting was to have monthly audio conferences to keep everyone up to date. What do you think of it? I see some issues here - time and that some might be more convenient with using text-based IRC - but I'd like to open the discussion. From Mozilla I know they even do regular conference calls open for the press, so we might pick that one up... That's a good idea. I'm currently thinking of a mechanism to enhance the inter-project communication also. I think we could take advantage of a better communication between says l10n/QA/Documentation for example. Kind regards Sophie - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] voice conferences
Alexandro Colorado wrote: +1 2009/11/8 Roman Gelbort : Lars Nooden escribió: Florian Effenberger wrote: ... we could set up our own system based on SIP and Asterisk, but before evaluating, I'd like to know if there is any need at all. +1 +1 i expect the all +1 means, yes we need an own system. I think we should be a little bit more precise here why we need such a system. A little bit more elaboration of the pro and cons would probably helpful Juergen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] voice conferences
+1 2009/11/8 Roman Gelbort : > Lars Nooden escribió: >> >> Florian Effenberger wrote: >>> >>> ... we could set up our own >>> system based on SIP and Asterisk, but before evaluating, I'd like to >>> know if there is any need at all. >> >> +1 > > +1 > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org > > -- Alexandro Colorado OpenOffice.org Español IM: j...@jabber.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] voice conferences
Lars Nooden escribió: Florian Effenberger wrote: ... we could set up our own system based on SIP and Asterisk, but before evaluating, I'd like to know if there is any need at all. +1 +1 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] voice conferences
Florian Effenberger wrote: > ... we could set up our own > system based on SIP and Asterisk, but before evaluating, I'd like to > know if there is any need at all. +1 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
