Re: A legal-ish question
You do your coding work, I'll take care of the legal for you. The model of everyone having to check everything is stupid. Code away, if I find a problem we'll yank it. On Jun 11, 2010, at 7:16 AM, Kristian Rosenvold wrote: > fr., 11.06.2010 kl. 06.35 -0700, skrev Jason van Zyl: >> On Jun 10, 2010, at 11:27 PM, Kristian Rosenvold wrote: >> >>> I have a memoizer >>> (http://www.javaconcurrencyinpractice.com/listings/Memoizer.java) that >>> I'd like to include "somewhere" in our code base. It's like 30 lines of >>> code or so. >>> >>> Ï've seen this snippet of code (or extremely minor permutations of it) >>> appear a number of places, under various lisence headers, for instance: >>> >>> http://www.koders.com/java/fid960BDFDD3A35D42E6652E79BA3F959A375024F0B.aspx?s=mdef%3Acompute >>> >>> >>> What's the appropriate thing to do IP-wise wrt including such a piece of >>> code ? The specific implementation I've linked to appears on page 108 of >>> the "Java Concurrency in practice" book. >>> >> >> It's fine, bringing anything up on the legal lists here is a waste of time. >> will check the code with the folks at Eclipse and let you know if there is >> any problem. >> Apache has no IP checking system at all so it's honestly generally useless >> asking anyone here. >> Eclipse has a real IP clearance mechanism with real lawyers, with a real set >> of tools for >> validation using humans, Black Duck and Palimida. If you've found a public >> domain license >> then you're fine, but I'll ask the Eclipse IP team. > > Sebb identified the piece of code as "public domain" via the official > website of the book; I was looking in the hardcopy and couldn't find it > in the printed book. So much for dead trees. > > Now the link Brett sent doesn't explicitly name "Public domain" as a > "license" with compatibility constraints, but it seems implied in the > section on Doug Lea's concurrent library: > http://www.apache.org/legal/resolved.html#concurrent > > Kristian > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org > Thanks, Jason -- Jason van Zyl Founder, Apache Maven http://twitter.com/jvanzyl - Our achievements speak for themselves. What we have to keep track of are our failures, discouragements and doubts. We tend to forget the past difficulties, the many false starts, and the painful groping. We see our past achievements as the end result of a clean forward thrust, and our present difficulties as signs of decline and decay. -- Eric Hoffer, Reflections on the Human Condition
Re: A legal-ish question
imo where ever you drop the code just make it very clear where it came from, a link to this thread might not hurt to add as well...point being as others have said it should be perfectly fine for code @ the ASF but these sorts of things have a way of rearing their ugly head years down the road and having any sort of documented history of the code helps immensely. as painful as it can be to do, this sort of IP tracking is critically important within code like this being more involved in the IP process @ eclipse now, I can testify that Jason is completely correct on the level of detail for IP validation within Eclipse, its staggering at times. cheers, jesse -- jesse mcconnell jesse.mcconn...@gmail.com On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 09:16, Kristian Rosenvold wrote: > fr., 11.06.2010 kl. 06.35 -0700, skrev Jason van Zyl: >> On Jun 10, 2010, at 11:27 PM, Kristian Rosenvold wrote: >> >> > I have a memoizer >> > (http://www.javaconcurrencyinpractice.com/listings/Memoizer.java) that >> > I'd like to include "somewhere" in our code base. It's like 30 lines of >> > code or so. >> > >> > Ï've seen this snippet of code (or extremely minor permutations of it) >> > appear a number of places, under various lisence headers, for instance: >> > >> > http://www.koders.com/java/fid960BDFDD3A35D42E6652E79BA3F959A375024F0B.aspx?s=mdef%3Acompute >> > >> > >> > What's the appropriate thing to do IP-wise wrt including such a piece of >> > code ? The specific implementation I've linked to appears on page 108 of >> > the "Java Concurrency in practice" book. >> > >> >> It's fine, bringing anything up on the legal lists here is a waste of time. >> will check the code with the folks at Eclipse and let you know if there is >> any problem. >> Apache has no IP checking system at all so it's honestly generally useless >> asking anyone here. >> Eclipse has a real IP clearance mechanism with real lawyers, with a real set >> of tools for >> validation using humans, Black Duck and Palimida. If you've found a public >> domain license >> then you're fine, but I'll ask the Eclipse IP team. > > Sebb identified the piece of code as "public domain" via the official > website of the book; I was looking in the hardcopy and couldn't find it > in the printed book. So much for dead trees. > > Now the link Brett sent doesn't explicitly name "Public domain" as a > "license" with compatibility constraints, but it seems implied in the > section on Doug Lea's concurrent library: > http://www.apache.org/legal/resolved.html#concurrent > > Kristian > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org
Re: A legal-ish question
On 11/06/2010, Kristian Rosenvold wrote: > fr., 11.06.2010 kl. 06.35 -0700, skrev Jason van Zyl: > > > On Jun 10, 2010, at 11:27 PM, Kristian Rosenvold wrote: > > > > > I have a memoizer > > > (http://www.javaconcurrencyinpractice.com/listings/Memoizer.java) that > > > I'd like to include "somewhere" in our code base. It's like 30 lines of > > > code or so. > > > > > > Ï've seen this snippet of code (or extremely minor permutations of it) > > > appear a number of places, under various lisence headers, for instance: > > > > > > > http://www.koders.com/java/fid960BDFDD3A35D42E6652E79BA3F959A375024F0B.aspx?s=mdef%3Acompute > > > > > > > > > What's the appropriate thing to do IP-wise wrt including such a piece of > > > code ? The specific implementation I've linked to appears on page 108 of > > > the "Java Concurrency in practice" book. > > > > > > > It's fine, bringing anything up on the legal lists here is a waste of time. > > > will check the code with the folks at Eclipse and let you know if there is > > any problem. > > Apache has no IP checking system at all so it's honestly generally useless > asking anyone here. > > Eclipse has a real IP clearance mechanism with real lawyers, with a real > set of tools for > > validation using humans, Black Duck and Palimida. If you've found a public > domain license > > then you're fine, but I'll ask the Eclipse IP team. > > > Sebb identified the piece of code as "public domain" via the official > website of the book; I was looking in the hardcopy and couldn't find it > in the printed book. So much for dead trees. > > Now the link Brett sent doesn't explicitly name "Public domain" as a > "license" with compatibility constraints, but it seems implied in the > section on Doug Lea's concurrent library: > http://www.apache.org/legal/resolved.html#concurrent The section at http://www.apache.org/legal/resolved.html#category-a includes the link: "Creative Commons Copyright-Only Dedication" which links to http://creativecommons.org/licenses/publicdomain/ i.e. the same as in the http://www.javaconcurrencyinpractice.com/listings.html So I think it's clear that the link Brett supplied does apply to ASF code so long as you use the source from the JCIP site. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org
Re: A legal-ish question
fr., 11.06.2010 kl. 06.35 -0700, skrev Jason van Zyl: > On Jun 10, 2010, at 11:27 PM, Kristian Rosenvold wrote: > > > I have a memoizer > > (http://www.javaconcurrencyinpractice.com/listings/Memoizer.java) that > > I'd like to include "somewhere" in our code base. It's like 30 lines of > > code or so. > > > > Ï've seen this snippet of code (or extremely minor permutations of it) > > appear a number of places, under various lisence headers, for instance: > > > > http://www.koders.com/java/fid960BDFDD3A35D42E6652E79BA3F959A375024F0B.aspx?s=mdef%3Acompute > > > > > > What's the appropriate thing to do IP-wise wrt including such a piece of > > code ? The specific implementation I've linked to appears on page 108 of > > the "Java Concurrency in practice" book. > > > > It's fine, bringing anything up on the legal lists here is a waste of time. > will check the code with the folks at Eclipse and let you know if there is > any problem. > Apache has no IP checking system at all so it's honestly generally useless > asking anyone here. > Eclipse has a real IP clearance mechanism with real lawyers, with a real set > of tools for > validation using humans, Black Duck and Palimida. If you've found a public > domain license > then you're fine, but I'll ask the Eclipse IP team. Sebb identified the piece of code as "public domain" via the official website of the book; I was looking in the hardcopy and couldn't find it in the printed book. So much for dead trees. Now the link Brett sent doesn't explicitly name "Public domain" as a "license" with compatibility constraints, but it seems implied in the section on Doug Lea's concurrent library: http://www.apache.org/legal/resolved.html#concurrent Kristian - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org
Re: A legal-ish question
On Jun 10, 2010, at 11:27 PM, Kristian Rosenvold wrote: > I have a memoizer > (http://www.javaconcurrencyinpractice.com/listings/Memoizer.java) that > I'd like to include "somewhere" in our code base. It's like 30 lines of > code or so. > > Ï've seen this snippet of code (or extremely minor permutations of it) > appear a number of places, under various lisence headers, for instance: > > http://www.koders.com/java/fid960BDFDD3A35D42E6652E79BA3F959A375024F0B.aspx?s=mdef%3Acompute > > > What's the appropriate thing to do IP-wise wrt including such a piece of > code ? The specific implementation I've linked to appears on page 108 of > the "Java Concurrency in practice" book. > It's fine, bringing anything up on the legal lists here is a waste of time. I will check the code with the folks at Eclipse and let you know if there is any problem. Apache has no IP checking system at all so it's honestly generally useless asking anyone here. Eclipse has a real IP clearance mechanism with real lawyers, with a real set of tools for validation using humans, Black Duck and Palimida. If you've found a public domain license then you're fine, but I'll ask the Eclipse IP team. > This is a *real hard* piece of code to get right, so I'm not about to > write my own. > > Kristian > > > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org > Thanks, Jason -- Jason van Zyl Founder, Apache Maven http://twitter.com/jvanzyl -
Re: A legal-ish question
On 11/06/2010, Brett Porter wrote: > > On 11/06/2010, at 4:27 PM, Kristian Rosenvold wrote: > > > I have a memoizer > > (http://www.javaconcurrencyinpractice.com/listings/Memoizer.java) that > > I'd like to include "somewhere" in our code base. It's like 30 lines of > > code or so. > > > > Ï've seen this snippet of code (or extremely minor permutations of it) > > appear a number of places, under various lisence headers, for instance: > > > > > http://www.koders.com/java/fid960BDFDD3A35D42E6652E79BA3F959A375024F0B.aspx?s=mdef%3Acompute > > > > > > What's the appropriate thing to do IP-wise wrt including such a piece of > > code ? The specific implementation I've linked to appears on page 108 of > > the "Java Concurrency in practice" book. > > > It's fine to include it under the terms of it's public domain license: > http://www.apache.org/legal/resolved.html#category-a Huh? That does not mention Public Domain? > - Brett > > > -- > Brett Porter > br...@apache.org > http://brettporter.wordpress.com/ > > > > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org
Re: A legal-ish question
On 11/06/2010, at 4:27 PM, Kristian Rosenvold wrote: > I have a memoizer > (http://www.javaconcurrencyinpractice.com/listings/Memoizer.java) that > I'd like to include "somewhere" in our code base. It's like 30 lines of > code or so. > > Ï've seen this snippet of code (or extremely minor permutations of it) > appear a number of places, under various lisence headers, for instance: > > http://www.koders.com/java/fid960BDFDD3A35D42E6652E79BA3F959A375024F0B.aspx?s=mdef%3Acompute > > > What's the appropriate thing to do IP-wise wrt including such a piece of > code ? The specific implementation I've linked to appears on page 108 of > the "Java Concurrency in practice" book. It's fine to include it under the terms of it's public domain license: http://www.apache.org/legal/resolved.html#category-a - Brett -- Brett Porter br...@apache.org http://brettporter.wordpress.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org
Re: A legal-ish question
On 11/06/2010, Kristian Rosenvold wrote: > I have a memoizer > (http://www.javaconcurrencyinpractice.com/listings/Memoizer.java) that > I'd like to include "somewhere" in our code base. It's like 30 lines of > code or so. > > Ï've seen this snippet of code (or extremely minor permutations of it) > appear a number of places, under various lisence headers, for instance: > > > http://www.koders.com/java/fid960BDFDD3A35D42E6652E79BA3F959A375024F0B.aspx?s=mdef%3Acompute > > > What's the appropriate thing to do IP-wise wrt including such a piece of > code ? The specific implementation I've linked to appears on page 108 of > the "Java Concurrency in practice" book. If you want to include this in ASF code, then IMO this question should be asked on the ASF legal-discuss list. Note: the covering description page [1] for the code says Written by Brian Goetz and Tim Peierls with assistance from members of JCP JSR-166 Expert Group and released to the public domain, as explained at http://creativecommons.org/licenses/publicdomain > This is a *real hard* piece of code to get right, so I'm not about to > write my own. +1 to that! [1] http://www.javaconcurrencyinpractice.com/listings.html - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org
A legal-ish question
I have a memoizer (http://www.javaconcurrencyinpractice.com/listings/Memoizer.java) that I'd like to include "somewhere" in our code base. It's like 30 lines of code or so. Ï've seen this snippet of code (or extremely minor permutations of it) appear a number of places, under various lisence headers, for instance: http://www.koders.com/java/fid960BDFDD3A35D42E6652E79BA3F959A375024F0B.aspx?s=mdef%3Acompute What's the appropriate thing to do IP-wise wrt including such a piece of code ? The specific implementation I've linked to appears on page 108 of the "Java Concurrency in practice" book. This is a *real hard* piece of code to get right, so I'm not about to write my own. Kristian - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org
