Re: [VOTE] release maven-shade-plugin 1.0-beta-1

2008-01-20 Thread Jason van Zyl


On 17-Jan-08, at 6:24 PM, Dan Fabulich wrote:


Responding out of order, techincal stuff first...

Daniel Kulp wrote:

The fact is MSHADE-9 is not something we can fix in maven-shade- 
plugin. It's a bug in ASM and isn't fixable until they provide a  
fix.  (unless someone wants to jump into ASM code.  I don't have  
the time.)


I'm not saying MSHADE-9 is easy to fix, but that claim assumes we're  
using ASM correctly, which seems like a pretty bold assumption to  
me; ASM is notoriously finicky.  If anything's likely to be wrong,  
it's probably us!






We can talk to Eugene as  I got his advice first. He's as ASM  
committer and it's his code in ASM that I originally used.


Thanks,

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Re: [VOTE] release maven-shade-plugin 1.0-beta-1

2008-01-18 Thread Jason Dillon

+1

--jason


On Jan 17, 2008, at 3:22 PM, Daniel Kulp wrote:



Well, I'd prefer to not get into "version number" arguments as it  
really
just doesn't matter.Hell, we have plugins (like the release  
plugin,

dependency plugin, etc..) that EVERYONE uses that haven't had a real
release and others (like surefire) that never had a "alpha/beta"
release, but probably should have.

The fact is MSHADE-9 is not something we can fix in maven-shade- 
plugin.

It's a bug in ASM and isn't fixable until they provide a fix.  (unless
someone wants to jump into ASM code.  I don't have the time.)   Since
they haven't provided a new version into the repos in almost a year,  
I'm

not going to hold my breath for a fix.

IMO, we shouldn't let that hold up moving forward with getting this
plugin in shape for the many people and projects that don't need that
fixed.   In it's current form, the plugin works perfectly fine for a
large number of use cases.   Thus, I say lets get it out.   Wether  
it's

call beta-1 or alpha-16 or even 1.0 is relatively irrelevant to me.

Anway, that all said, any more PMC votes either way?

Dan



On Wednesday 16 January 2008, Dan Fabulich wrote:

I approve of the idea of releasing another version of
maven-shade-plugin, but I don't think we should call it non-alpha
until MSHADE-9 is fixed.

http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/MSHADE-9

If this were called 1.0-alpha-16, I'd give it a +1; as it stands, I
have to vote -1 (non-binding).

-Dan

Daniel Kulp wrote:

I'd like to release maven-shade-plugin 1.0-beta-1 as I kind of need
it for some of my projects.  I think Geronimo may need it as well.

This fixes a couple issues we'e run into:

** Bug
  * [MSHADE-11] - Shaded jars are not unjarrable
  * [MSHADE-13] - META-INF/INDEX.LIST files need to be skipped
** New Feature
  * [MSHADE-12] - Ability to filter contents of the archives added
to the shaded jar

Release notes:
http://jira.codehaus.org/secure/ReleaseNote.jspa?version=13921&style
Name=Text&projectId=11540&Create=Create

Tag:
http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/maven/plugins/tags/maven-shade-plugi
n-1.0-beta-1/

Staged at:
http://people.apache.org/~dkulp/stage_shade/


The vote will be open for 72 hours.

Here is my +1
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Re: [VOTE] release maven-shade-plugin 1.0-beta-1

2008-01-18 Thread James.Strachan

+1


dkulp wrote:
> 
> 
> I'd like to release maven-shade-plugin 1.0-beta-1 as I kind of need it 
> for some of my projects.  I think Geronimo may need it as well.
> 
> This fixes a couple issues we'e run into:
> 
> ** Bug
> * [MSHADE-11] - Shaded jars are not unjarrable
> * [MSHADE-13] - META-INF/INDEX.LIST files need to be skipped
> ** New Feature
> * [MSHADE-12] - Ability to filter contents of the archives added to 
> the shaded jar
> 
> Release notes:
> http://jira.codehaus.org/secure/ReleaseNote.jspa?version=13921&styleName=Text&projectId=11540&Create=Create
> 
> Tag:
> http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/maven/plugins/tags/maven-shade-plugin-1.0-beta-1/
> 
> Staged at:
> http://people.apache.org/~dkulp/stage_shade/
> 
> 
> The vote will be open for 72 hours.
> 
> Here is my +1
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Re: [VOTE] release maven-shade-plugin 1.0-beta-1

2008-01-18 Thread Mauro Talevi

Brian E. Fox wrote:

It's not entirely true that versions don't matter. Alpha or Beta is
really a less important distinction and we are generally trying to move
away from more alpha/beta releases. I would argue that since Maven
requires Shade to release, that the current version should be 1.0 not
alpha or beta.

Doing a release is much more than slapping a version (tag) on it. It
makes the next version usable by other people to do releases because it
means we've pushed a non-snapshot to the public. If there are people
unaffected by MSHADE-9, then there is still value to those people in
having a release now rather than later. I think in general we try to fix
too many things at once and end up not getting important fixes out to
the people that need them. I'd rather see a release come out with the
current fixes and then when MSHADE-9 is fixed, we do another release. At
least then some people can use it rather than making everyone wait...and
realistically doing the release doesn't preclude someone from fixing the
issue in parallel so it shouldn't in theory delay the inevitable release
with the MSHADE-9 fix in it.



+1

Betas (and alphas) IMO should be milestones towards a final major 
release 1.x or 2.x.  But all too often betas tend to get treated as 
"final" releases.  No problem in having a release with a known issue (in 
this case MSHADE-9).






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Re: [VOTE] release maven-shade-plugin 1.0-beta-1

2008-01-17 Thread Jason van Zyl

+1

On 17-Jan-08, at 6:30 PM, Brian E. Fox wrote:


It's not entirely true that versions don't matter. Alpha or Beta is
really a less important distinction and we are generally trying to  
move

away from more alpha/beta releases. I would argue that since Maven
requires Shade to release, that the current version should be 1.0 not
alpha or beta.

Doing a release is much more than slapping a version (tag) on it. It
makes the next version usable by other people to do releases because  
it

means we've pushed a non-snapshot to the public. If there are people
unaffected by MSHADE-9, then there is still value to those people in
having a release now rather than later. I think in general we try to  
fix

too many things at once and end up not getting important fixes out to
the people that need them. I'd rather see a release come out with the
current fixes and then when MSHADE-9 is fixed, we do another  
release. At
least then some people can use it rather than making everyone  
wait...and
realistically doing the release doesn't preclude someone from fixing  
the
issue in parallel so it shouldn't in theory delay the inevitable  
release

with the MSHADE-9 fix in it.

-Original Message-
From: Dan Fabulich [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 9:25 PM
To: Maven Developers List
Subject: Re: [VOTE] release maven-shade-plugin 1.0-beta-1

Responding out of order, techincal stuff first...

Daniel Kulp wrote:


The fact is MSHADE-9 is not something we can fix in

maven-shade-plugin.
It's a bug in ASM and isn't fixable until they provide a fix.   
(unless



someone wants to jump into ASM code.  I don't have the time.)


I'm not saying MSHADE-9 is easy to fix, but that claim assumes we're
using
ASM correctly, which seems like a pretty bold assumption to me; ASM is
notoriously finicky.  If anything's likely to be wrong, it's probably
us!


Since they haven't provided a new version into the repos in almost a
year, I'm not going to hold my breath for a fix.


Version 3.1 of ASM came out in October.  ASM is very much a live
project.
I'd say it's at least worth trying the latest version of ASM.


IMO, we shouldn't let that hold up moving forward with getting this
plugin in shape for the many people and projects that don't need that
fixed.


I agree we should do a release now.  But I do think it matters what we
call it.


I'd prefer to not get into "version number" arguments as it really

just

doesn't matter.




I disagree that version numbers don't matter, though it's obviously a
seductive argument.  (It's just a number, right?)

But bugs certainly do matter when they get released (or, at least, we
have
to behave as if they do or we'll release crappy software).

But all we do when we make a "release" is slap a version number/name  
on
something.  If version numbers don't matter, then it doesn't matter  
what


bugs we fix before we change version numbers, i.e. it doesn't matter
what
bugs we fix before we release.

Since bugs and releases matter, version numbers matter just as much as
that.

Of course, if bugs don't matter, then sure, it doesn't matter  
whether we


call our buggy software 1.0 or 2008 Business Edition. ;-)   
Specifically,


if MSHADE-9 doesn't matter at all, well, it's the only "Blocker" bug
filed
against the shade plugin right now, so I guess we *SHOULD* release
1.0...
none of the other bugs matter as much as that one, right? :-)



-Dan

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Re: [VOTE] release maven-shade-plugin 1.0-beta-1

2008-01-17 Thread Michael McCallum
I agree 100%, release often its the only way things really get used and tested 
in the wild... if people have problems they can alway roll back to the last 
release in the deps...

On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 15:30:51 Brian E. Fox wrote:
...
> the people that need them. I'd rather see a release come out with the
> current fixes and then when MSHADE-9 is fixed, we do another release. At
> least then some people can use it rather than making everyone wait...and
> realistically doing the release doesn't preclude someone from fixing the
> issue in parallel so it shouldn't in theory delay the inevitable release
> with the MSHADE-9 fix in it.
>

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RE: [VOTE] release maven-shade-plugin 1.0-beta-1

2008-01-17 Thread Brian E. Fox
It's not entirely true that versions don't matter. Alpha or Beta is
really a less important distinction and we are generally trying to move
away from more alpha/beta releases. I would argue that since Maven
requires Shade to release, that the current version should be 1.0 not
alpha or beta.

Doing a release is much more than slapping a version (tag) on it. It
makes the next version usable by other people to do releases because it
means we've pushed a non-snapshot to the public. If there are people
unaffected by MSHADE-9, then there is still value to those people in
having a release now rather than later. I think in general we try to fix
too many things at once and end up not getting important fixes out to
the people that need them. I'd rather see a release come out with the
current fixes and then when MSHADE-9 is fixed, we do another release. At
least then some people can use it rather than making everyone wait...and
realistically doing the release doesn't preclude someone from fixing the
issue in parallel so it shouldn't in theory delay the inevitable release
with the MSHADE-9 fix in it.

-Original Message-
From: Dan Fabulich [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 9:25 PM
To: Maven Developers List
Subject: Re: [VOTE] release maven-shade-plugin 1.0-beta-1

Responding out of order, techincal stuff first...

Daniel Kulp wrote:

> The fact is MSHADE-9 is not something we can fix in
maven-shade-plugin. 
> It's a bug in ASM and isn't fixable until they provide a fix.  (unless

> someone wants to jump into ASM code.  I don't have the time.)

I'm not saying MSHADE-9 is easy to fix, but that claim assumes we're
using 
ASM correctly, which seems like a pretty bold assumption to me; ASM is 
notoriously finicky.  If anything's likely to be wrong, it's probably
us!

> Since they haven't provided a new version into the repos in almost a 
> year, I'm not going to hold my breath for a fix.

Version 3.1 of ASM came out in October.  ASM is very much a live
project. 
I'd say it's at least worth trying the latest version of ASM.

> IMO, we shouldn't let that hold up moving forward with getting this 
> plugin in shape for the many people and projects that don't need that 
> fixed.

I agree we should do a release now.  But I do think it matters what we 
call it.

> I'd prefer to not get into "version number" arguments as it really
just 
> doesn't matter.



I disagree that version numbers don't matter, though it's obviously a 
seductive argument.  (It's just a number, right?)

But bugs certainly do matter when they get released (or, at least, we
have 
to behave as if they do or we'll release crappy software).

But all we do when we make a "release" is slap a version number/name on 
something.  If version numbers don't matter, then it doesn't matter what

bugs we fix before we change version numbers, i.e. it doesn't matter
what 
bugs we fix before we release.

Since bugs and releases matter, version numbers matter just as much as 
that.

Of course, if bugs don't matter, then sure, it doesn't matter whether we

call our buggy software 1.0 or 2008 Business Edition. ;-)  Specifically,

if MSHADE-9 doesn't matter at all, well, it's the only "Blocker" bug
filed 
against the shade plugin right now, so I guess we *SHOULD* release
1.0... 
none of the other bugs matter as much as that one, right? :-)



-Dan

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Re: [VOTE] release maven-shade-plugin 1.0-beta-1

2008-01-17 Thread Dan Fabulich

Responding out of order, techincal stuff first...

Daniel Kulp wrote:

The fact is MSHADE-9 is not something we can fix in maven-shade-plugin. 
It's a bug in ASM and isn't fixable until they provide a fix.  (unless 
someone wants to jump into ASM code.  I don't have the time.)


I'm not saying MSHADE-9 is easy to fix, but that claim assumes we're using 
ASM correctly, which seems like a pretty bold assumption to me; ASM is 
notoriously finicky.  If anything's likely to be wrong, it's probably us!


Since they haven't provided a new version into the repos in almost a 
year, I'm not going to hold my breath for a fix.


Version 3.1 of ASM came out in October.  ASM is very much a live project. 
I'd say it's at least worth trying the latest version of ASM.


IMO, we shouldn't let that hold up moving forward with getting this 
plugin in shape for the many people and projects that don't need that 
fixed.


I agree we should do a release now.  But I do think it matters what we 
call it.


I'd prefer to not get into "version number" arguments as it really just 
doesn't matter.




I disagree that version numbers don't matter, though it's obviously a 
seductive argument.  (It's just a number, right?)


But bugs certainly do matter when they get released (or, at least, we have 
to behave as if they do or we'll release crappy software).


But all we do when we make a "release" is slap a version number/name on 
something.  If version numbers don't matter, then it doesn't matter what 
bugs we fix before we change version numbers, i.e. it doesn't matter what 
bugs we fix before we release.


Since bugs and releases matter, version numbers matter just as much as 
that.


Of course, if bugs don't matter, then sure, it doesn't matter whether we 
call our buggy software 1.0 or 2008 Business Edition. ;-)  Specifically, 
if MSHADE-9 doesn't matter at all, well, it's the only "Blocker" bug filed 
against the shade plugin right now, so I guess we *SHOULD* release 1.0... 
none of the other bugs matter as much as that one, right? :-)




-Dan

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RE: [VOTE] release maven-shade-plugin 1.0-beta-1

2008-01-17 Thread Brian E. Fox
+1 get it out and that doesn't stop us from doing another release soon.

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To: dev@maven.apache.org
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Well, I'd prefer to not get into "version number" arguments as it really

just doesn't matter.Hell, we have plugins (like the release plugin, 
dependency plugin, etc..) that EVERYONE uses that haven't had a real 
release and others (like surefire) that never had a "alpha/beta" 
release, but probably should have.

The fact is MSHADE-9 is not something we can fix in maven-shade-plugin.

It's a bug in ASM and isn't fixable until they provide a fix.  (unless 
someone wants to jump into ASM code.  I don't have the time.)   Since 
they haven't provided a new version into the repos in almost a year, I'm

not going to hold my breath for a fix.   

IMO, we shouldn't let that hold up moving forward with getting this 
plugin in shape for the many people and projects that don't need that 
fixed.   In it's current form, the plugin works perfectly fine for a 
large number of use cases.   Thus, I say lets get it out.   Wether it's 
call beta-1 or alpha-16 or even 1.0 is relatively irrelevant to me.

Anway, that all said, any more PMC votes either way?

Dan



On Wednesday 16 January 2008, Dan Fabulich wrote:
> I approve of the idea of releasing another version of
> maven-shade-plugin, but I don't think we should call it non-alpha
> until MSHADE-9 is fixed.
>
> http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/MSHADE-9
>
> If this were called 1.0-alpha-16, I'd give it a +1; as it stands, I
> have to vote -1 (non-binding).
>
> -Dan
>
> Daniel Kulp wrote:
> > I'd like to release maven-shade-plugin 1.0-beta-1 as I kind of need
> > it for some of my projects.  I think Geronimo may need it as well.
> >
> > This fixes a couple issues we'e run into:
> >
> > ** Bug
> >* [MSHADE-11] - Shaded jars are not unjarrable
> >* [MSHADE-13] - META-INF/INDEX.LIST files need to be skipped
> > ** New Feature
> >* [MSHADE-12] - Ability to filter contents of the archives added
> > to the shaded jar
> >
> > Release notes:
> > http://jira.codehaus.org/secure/ReleaseNote.jspa?version=13921&style
> >Name=Text&projectId=11540&Create=Create
> >
> > Tag:
> > http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/maven/plugins/tags/maven-shade-plugi
> >n-1.0-beta-1/
> >
> > Staged at:
> > http://people.apache.org/~dkulp/stage_shade/
> >
> >
> > The vote will be open for 72 hours.
> >
> > Here is my +1
> > --
> > J. Daniel Kulp
> > Principal Engineer, IONA
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: [VOTE] release maven-shade-plugin 1.0-beta-1

2008-01-17 Thread David Blevins



dkulp wrote:
> 
> I'd like to release maven-shade-plugin 1.0-beta-1 as I kind of need it 
> for some of my projects.  I think Geronimo may need it as well.
> 

OpenEJB, actually.  And here's my +1! (non-binding)

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Re: [VOTE] release maven-shade-plugin 1.0-beta-1

2008-01-17 Thread Daniel Kulp

Well, I'd prefer to not get into "version number" arguments as it really 
just doesn't matter.Hell, we have plugins (like the release plugin, 
dependency plugin, etc..) that EVERYONE uses that haven't had a real 
release and others (like surefire) that never had a "alpha/beta" 
release, but probably should have.

The fact is MSHADE-9 is not something we can fix in maven-shade-plugin.  
It's a bug in ASM and isn't fixable until they provide a fix.  (unless 
someone wants to jump into ASM code.  I don't have the time.)   Since 
they haven't provided a new version into the repos in almost a year, I'm 
not going to hold my breath for a fix.   

IMO, we shouldn't let that hold up moving forward with getting this 
plugin in shape for the many people and projects that don't need that 
fixed.   In it's current form, the plugin works perfectly fine for a 
large number of use cases.   Thus, I say lets get it out.   Wether it's 
call beta-1 or alpha-16 or even 1.0 is relatively irrelevant to me.

Anway, that all said, any more PMC votes either way?

Dan



On Wednesday 16 January 2008, Dan Fabulich wrote:
> I approve of the idea of releasing another version of
> maven-shade-plugin, but I don't think we should call it non-alpha
> until MSHADE-9 is fixed.
>
> http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/MSHADE-9
>
> If this were called 1.0-alpha-16, I'd give it a +1; as it stands, I
> have to vote -1 (non-binding).
>
> -Dan
>
> Daniel Kulp wrote:
> > I'd like to release maven-shade-plugin 1.0-beta-1 as I kind of need
> > it for some of my projects.  I think Geronimo may need it as well.
> >
> > This fixes a couple issues we'e run into:
> >
> > ** Bug
> >* [MSHADE-11] - Shaded jars are not unjarrable
> >* [MSHADE-13] - META-INF/INDEX.LIST files need to be skipped
> > ** New Feature
> >* [MSHADE-12] - Ability to filter contents of the archives added
> > to the shaded jar
> >
> > Release notes:
> > http://jira.codehaus.org/secure/ReleaseNote.jspa?version=13921&style
> >Name=Text&projectId=11540&Create=Create
> >
> > Tag:
> > http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/maven/plugins/tags/maven-shade-plugi
> >n-1.0-beta-1/
> >
> > Staged at:
> > http://people.apache.org/~dkulp/stage_shade/
> >
> >
> > The vote will be open for 72 hours.
> >
> > Here is my +1
> > --
> > J. Daniel Kulp
> > Principal Engineer, IONA
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > http://www.dankulp.com/blog
> >
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Re: [VOTE] release maven-shade-plugin 1.0-beta-1

2008-01-16 Thread Dan Fabulich


I approve of the idea of releasing another version of maven-shade-plugin, 
but I don't think we should call it non-alpha until MSHADE-9 is fixed.


http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/MSHADE-9

If this were called 1.0-alpha-16, I'd give it a +1; as it stands, I have 
to vote -1 (non-binding).


-Dan

Daniel Kulp wrote:



I'd like to release maven-shade-plugin 1.0-beta-1 as I kind of need it
for some of my projects.  I think Geronimo may need it as well.

This fixes a couple issues we'e run into:

** Bug
   * [MSHADE-11] - Shaded jars are not unjarrable
   * [MSHADE-13] - META-INF/INDEX.LIST files need to be skipped
** New Feature
   * [MSHADE-12] - Ability to filter contents of the archives added to
the shaded jar

Release notes:
http://jira.codehaus.org/secure/ReleaseNote.jspa?version=13921&styleName=Text&projectId=11540&Create=Create

Tag:
http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/maven/plugins/tags/maven-shade-plugin-1.0-beta-1/

Staged at:
http://people.apache.org/~dkulp/stage_shade/


The vote will be open for 72 hours.

Here is my +1
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Re: [VOTE] release maven-shade-plugin 1.0-beta-1

2008-01-16 Thread Jason van Zyl

+1

On 16-Jan-08, at 11:57 AM, Daniel Kulp wrote:



I'd like to release maven-shade-plugin 1.0-beta-1 as I kind of need it
for some of my projects.  I think Geronimo may need it as well.

This fixes a couple issues we'e run into:

** Bug
   * [MSHADE-11] - Shaded jars are not unjarrable
   * [MSHADE-13] - META-INF/INDEX.LIST files need to be skipped
** New Feature
   * [MSHADE-12] - Ability to filter contents of the archives added to
the shaded jar

Release notes:
http://jira.codehaus.org/secure/ReleaseNote.jspa?version=13921&styleName=Text&projectId=11540&Create=Create

Tag:
http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/maven/plugins/tags/maven-shade-plugin-1.0-beta-1/

Staged at:
http://people.apache.org/~dkulp/stage_shade/


The vote will be open for 72 hours.

Here is my +1
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J. Daniel Kulp
Principal Engineer, IONA
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.dankulp.com/blog

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Thanks,

Jason

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