Re: RE: Flat Look and Feel NB12 default?
Suppose this would go against the being different but... During setup or first start up would it be worth giving the user a select their preferred LAF dialog? Eric Bresie ebre...@gmail.com > On January 22, 2020 at 8:04:24 PM CST, Eirik Bakke wrote: > > Currently Windows system Laf in the latest JDKs 9+ (13 included) is still > > totally lacking that support: the fonts and widgets (checkboxes and radios > > mainly) are very ugly, FlatLaf instead of very slick! > > After https://github.com/apache/netbeans/pull/1777 , most of these issues > should be fixed--that's coming in the next release. There are a few > situations where checkboxes may end up blurry--names in multi-monitor setups > where the HiDPI monitor is not the main monitor. If > https://bugs.openjdk.java.net/browse/JDK-8211715 isn't fixed soon I might end > up implementing a better workaround for those situations. > > > Other than that I would vote for having FlatLaf as the default Laf in every > > system for consistency > > Consistency for who--the developers of NetBeans, or users of NetBeans? A > typical user is using either MacOS or Windows, but not both. I'd argue the > goal should be to be consistent between different apps on the same platform, > not between different platforms supported by the IDE. > > > (IntelliJ is doing the same with their Laf for example). > > When it comes to branding-related design decisions, such as the visual look > of NetBeans, I would argue that doing things differently from competitors is > a _good_ thing. A native-looking LAF is part of NetBeans' distinguishing > features. > > -- Eirik > > > -Original Message- > From: Matteo Di Giovinazzo > Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2020 6:02 PM > To: dev@netbeans.apache.org > Subject: Re: Flat Look and Feel NB12 default? > > To me the main reason for using FlatLaf as the default Laf is to a way better > support for HiDPI monitors. Currently Windows system Laf in the latest JDKs > 9+ (13 included) is still totally lacking that support: the fonts and widgets > (checkboxes and radios mainly) are very ugly, FlatLaf instead of very slick! > We are following very closely the NetBeans development on that regard, > because we are going to use FlatLaf as default Laf as well in our NB platform > application. > > Issues we found using FlatLaf: > - the two FileChoosers, one to open projects and the other to open files use > different icons: the first uses Windows system icons whereas the latter uses > FlatLaf flat icons > - I would turn off the Tree.wideSelection flag in FlatLaf because in the > Project view for example, clicking on the tree node label gives you the > node-contextual popup menu whereas clicking on the same row but not on the > label gives you the general Project View popup menu. Better having not a wide > selection, otherwise that can be misleading > > Other than that I would vote for having FlatLaf as the default Laf in every > system for consistency (IntelliJ is doing the same with their Laf for > example). > > > On Wed, 22 Jan 2020 at 15:09, Eirik Bakke wrote: > > > I think FlatLAF could very well be made the default on Linux. But on > > Windows and MacOS, I'd argue we should use the OS-specific LAFs by default. > > > > On MacOS and Windows, we have very good existing LAFs that follow the > > same style as other desktop applications on the same platform. So > > NetBeans will look like a native MacOS app on Mac, and like a native > > Windows app on Windows. In fact, both the MacOS (Aqua) and Windows > > LAFs make calls to the OS to retrieve real, native graphics for > > buttons, combo boxes, checkboxes, and so on. So NetBeans always gets > > the correct look for whichever OS version is currently running. There > > has also been a lot of improvements to the Windows and MacOS LAFs over > > the past few releases, and the next one, especially for HiDPI > > displays. (See > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/HiDPI+%28Retina%2 > > 9+improvements > > ) > > > > The fact that NetBeans looks like a native app on both Windows and > > MacOS is a strong brand differentiator, compared to for instance > > IntelliJ, which does not in any way try to stay consistent with the OS look. > > > > -- Eirik > > > > -Original Message- > > From: John Mc > > Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2020 1:48 PM > > To: dev@netbeans.apache.org > > Subject: Flat Look and Feel NB12 default? > > > > Hi > > > > So I started using the latest development builds and I really like the > > progress with the Flat Look and Feel addition for NB11.3. Great job > > to the guys who have done all this work it really looks nice. > > > > Are there plans to consider making this the default LnF for NetBeans > > 12 onwards? > > > > Regards > > > > John > > > > > -- > Matteo Di Giovinazzo > B�CB��[��X��ܚX�KK[XZ[�]�][��X��ܚX�P�]�X[�˘\X�K�ܙ�B��܈Y][ۘ[��[X[��K[XZ[�]�Z[�]�X[�˘\X�K�ܙ�B�B��܈�\�\�[��ܛX][
RE: Flat Look and Feel NB12 default?
Regardless of LAF, it would be great to have a standardized "color-blind friendly" editor color theme available by default. Probably there would need to be one light and one dark theme. There are a couple of different types of color blindness; I'm unsure if each of these might need a separate palette. -- Eirik -Original Message- From: Mark Eggers Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2020 7:37 PM To: dev@netbeans.apache.org Subject: Re: Flat Look and Feel NB12 default? One of the issues that I've had with Darkula in the past is that it's not very friendly for colorblind - color deficient people. I'm red-green color deficient. This means that reds shade towards black, and greens towards white. Pinks, oranges, and reds on dark brown backgrounds are very difficult for me to read. For example, the red highlighting of an error makes the underlying text unreadable in the Windows LAF. I have to change the default error to a light orange, or some other color. In the past I've used Nimbus LAF across all platforms with reasonable results. This gave pretty ugly results recently, but now that I'm OpenJDK 11.04, things seem to have cleared up. I'll upgrade to 11.06 and verify again. I'll have to take a look at the various Flat Look and Feel themes to see if they're usable for color deficient people. Otherwise, I'll use the Windows LAF on Windows, and Nimbus everywhere else. . . . just my two cents /mde/ On 1/22/2020 2:09 PM, Eirik Bakke wrote: > I think FlatLAF could very well be made the default on Linux. But on Windows > and MacOS, I'd argue we should use the OS-specific LAFs by default. > > On MacOS and Windows, we have very good existing LAFs that follow the > same style as other desktop applications on the same platform. So > NetBeans will look like a native MacOS app on Mac, and like a native > Windows app on Windows. In fact, both the MacOS (Aqua) and Windows > LAFs make calls to the OS to retrieve real, native graphics for > buttons, combo boxes, checkboxes, and so on. So NetBeans always gets > the correct look for whichever OS version is currently running. There > has also been a lot of improvements to the Windows and MacOS LAFs over > the past few releases, and the next one, especially for HiDPI > displays. (See > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/HiDPI+%28Retina%2 > 9+improvements ) > > The fact that NetBeans looks like a native app on both Windows and MacOS is a > strong brand differentiator, compared to for instance IntelliJ, which does > not in any way try to stay consistent with the OS look. > > -- Eirik > > -Original Message- > From: John Mc > Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2020 1:48 PM > To: dev@netbeans.apache.org > Subject: Flat Look and Feel NB12 default? > > Hi > > So I started using the latest development builds and I really like the > progress with the Flat Look and Feel addition for NB11.3. Great job to the > guys who have done all this work it really looks nice. > > Are there plans to consider making this the default LnF for NetBeans 12 > onwards? > > Regards > > John - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@netbeans.apache.org For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
RE: Flat Look and Feel NB12 default?
> Currently Windows system Laf in the latest JDKs 9+ (13 included) is still > totally lacking that support: the fonts and widgets (checkboxes and radios > mainly) are very ugly, FlatLaf instead of very slick! After https://github.com/apache/netbeans/pull/1777 , most of these issues should be fixed--that's coming in the next release. There are a few situations where checkboxes may end up blurry--names in multi-monitor setups where the HiDPI monitor is not the main monitor. If https://bugs.openjdk.java.net/browse/JDK-8211715 isn't fixed soon I might end up implementing a better workaround for those situations. > Other than that I would vote for having FlatLaf as the default Laf in every > system for consistency Consistency for who--the developers of NetBeans, or users of NetBeans? A typical user is using either MacOS or Windows, but not both. I'd argue the goal should be to be consistent between different apps on the same platform, not between different platforms supported by the IDE. > (IntelliJ is doing the same with their Laf for example). When it comes to branding-related design decisions, such as the visual look of NetBeans, I would argue that doing things differently from competitors is a _good_ thing. A native-looking LAF is part of NetBeans' distinguishing features. -- Eirik -Original Message- From: Matteo Di Giovinazzo Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2020 6:02 PM To: dev@netbeans.apache.org Subject: Re: Flat Look and Feel NB12 default? To me the main reason for using FlatLaf as the default Laf is to a way better support for HiDPI monitors. Currently Windows system Laf in the latest JDKs 9+ (13 included) is still totally lacking that support: the fonts and widgets (checkboxes and radios mainly) are very ugly, FlatLaf instead of very slick! We are following very closely the NetBeans development on that regard, because we are going to use FlatLaf as default Laf as well in our NB platform application. Issues we found using FlatLaf: - the two FileChoosers, one to open projects and the other to open files use different icons: the first uses Windows system icons whereas the latter uses FlatLaf flat icons - I would turn off the Tree.wideSelection flag in FlatLaf because in the Project view for example, clicking on the tree node label gives you the node-contextual popup menu whereas clicking on the same row but not on the label gives you the general Project View popup menu. Better having not a wide selection, otherwise that can be misleading Other than that I would vote for having FlatLaf as the default Laf in every system for consistency (IntelliJ is doing the same with their Laf for example). On Wed, 22 Jan 2020 at 15:09, Eirik Bakke wrote: > I think FlatLAF could very well be made the default on Linux. But on > Windows and MacOS, I'd argue we should use the OS-specific LAFs by default. > > On MacOS and Windows, we have very good existing LAFs that follow the > same style as other desktop applications on the same platform. So > NetBeans will look like a native MacOS app on Mac, and like a native > Windows app on Windows. In fact, both the MacOS (Aqua) and Windows > LAFs make calls to the OS to retrieve real, native graphics for > buttons, combo boxes, checkboxes, and so on. So NetBeans always gets > the correct look for whichever OS version is currently running. There > has also been a lot of improvements to the Windows and MacOS LAFs over > the past few releases, and the next one, especially for HiDPI > displays. (See > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/HiDPI+%28Retina%2 > 9+improvements > ) > > The fact that NetBeans looks like a native app on both Windows and > MacOS is a strong brand differentiator, compared to for instance > IntelliJ, which does not in any way try to stay consistent with the OS look. > > -- Eirik > > -Original Message- > From: John Mc > Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2020 1:48 PM > To: dev@netbeans.apache.org > Subject: Flat Look and Feel NB12 default? > > Hi > > So I started using the latest development builds and I really like the > progress with the Flat Look and Feel addition for NB11.3. Great job > to the guys who have done all this work it really looks nice. > > Are there plans to consider making this the default LnF for NetBeans > 12 onwards? > > Regards > > John > -- Matteo Di Giovinazzo
Re: Flat Look and Feel NB12 default?
One of the issues that I've had with Darkula in the past is that it's not very friendly for colorblind - color deficient people. I'm red-green color deficient. This means that reds shade towards black, and greens towards white. Pinks, oranges, and reds on dark brown backgrounds are very difficult for me to read. For example, the red highlighting of an error makes the underlying text unreadable in the Windows LAF. I have to change the default error to a light orange, or some other color. In the past I've used Nimbus LAF across all platforms with reasonable results. This gave pretty ugly results recently, but now that I'm OpenJDK 11.04, things seem to have cleared up. I'll upgrade to 11.06 and verify again. I'll have to take a look at the various Flat Look and Feel themes to see if they're usable for color deficient people. Otherwise, I'll use the Windows LAF on Windows, and Nimbus everywhere else. . . . just my two cents /mde/ On 1/22/2020 2:09 PM, Eirik Bakke wrote: > I think FlatLAF could very well be made the default on Linux. But on Windows > and MacOS, I'd argue we should use the OS-specific LAFs by default. > > On MacOS and Windows, we have very good existing LAFs that follow the same > style as other desktop applications on the same platform. So NetBeans will > look like a native MacOS app on Mac, and like a native Windows app on > Windows. In fact, both the MacOS (Aqua) and Windows LAFs make calls to the OS > to retrieve real, native graphics for buttons, combo boxes, checkboxes, and > so on. So NetBeans always gets the correct look for whichever OS version is > currently running. There has also been a lot of improvements to the Windows > and MacOS LAFs over the past few releases, and the next one, especially for > HiDPI displays. (See > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/HiDPI+%28Retina%29+improvements > ) > > The fact that NetBeans looks like a native app on both Windows and MacOS is a > strong brand differentiator, compared to for instance IntelliJ, which does > not in any way try to stay consistent with the OS look. > > -- Eirik > > -Original Message- > From: John Mc > Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2020 1:48 PM > To: dev@netbeans.apache.org > Subject: Flat Look and Feel NB12 default? > > Hi > > So I started using the latest development builds and I really like the > progress with the Flat Look and Feel addition for NB11.3. Great job to the > guys who have done all this work it really looks nice. > > Are there plans to consider making this the default LnF for NetBeans 12 > onwards? > > Regards > > John signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Flat Look and Feel NB12 default?
To me the main reason for using FlatLaf as the default Laf is to a way better support for HiDPI monitors. Currently Windows system Laf in the latest JDKs 9+ (13 included) is still totally lacking that support: the fonts and widgets (checkboxes and radios mainly) are very ugly, FlatLaf instead of very slick! We are following very closely the NetBeans development on that regard, because we are going to use FlatLaf as default Laf as well in our NB platform application. Issues we found using FlatLaf: - the two FileChoosers, one to open projects and the other to open files use different icons: the first uses Windows system icons whereas the latter uses FlatLaf flat icons - I would turn off the Tree.wideSelection flag in FlatLaf because in the Project view for example, clicking on the tree node label gives you the node-contextual popup menu whereas clicking on the same row but not on the label gives you the general Project View popup menu. Better having not a wide selection, otherwise that can be misleading Other than that I would vote for having FlatLaf as the default Laf in every system for consistency (IntelliJ is doing the same with their Laf for example). On Wed, 22 Jan 2020 at 15:09, Eirik Bakke wrote: > I think FlatLAF could very well be made the default on Linux. But on > Windows and MacOS, I'd argue we should use the OS-specific LAFs by default. > > On MacOS and Windows, we have very good existing LAFs that follow the same > style as other desktop applications on the same platform. So NetBeans will > look like a native MacOS app on Mac, and like a native Windows app on > Windows. In fact, both the MacOS (Aqua) and Windows LAFs make calls to the > OS to retrieve real, native graphics for buttons, combo boxes, checkboxes, > and so on. So NetBeans always gets the correct look for whichever OS > version is currently running. There has also been a lot of improvements to > the Windows and MacOS LAFs over the past few releases, and the next one, > especially for HiDPI displays. (See > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/HiDPI+%28Retina%29+improvements > ) > > The fact that NetBeans looks like a native app on both Windows and MacOS > is a strong brand differentiator, compared to for instance IntelliJ, which > does not in any way try to stay consistent with the OS look. > > -- Eirik > > -Original Message- > From: John Mc > Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2020 1:48 PM > To: dev@netbeans.apache.org > Subject: Flat Look and Feel NB12 default? > > Hi > > So I started using the latest development builds and I really like the > progress with the Flat Look and Feel addition for NB11.3. Great job to the > guys who have done all this work it really looks nice. > > Are there plans to consider making this the default LnF for NetBeans 12 > onwards? > > Regards > > John > -- Matteo Di Giovinazzo
Re: Flat Look and Feel NB12 default?
We're talking about very, VERY subjective perspectives here. Just because there is a new fad called "flat" doesn't mean it's an improvement. Actually, "flat" looks so 1970's ish. Perhaps the fascination with it is due to the fact that most of the productive people here either weren't alive at that time in computing history or were still too young to remember those days. I agree with Mr. Bakke that on Windows and Mac it should still use the os native laf as the default. For Linux (where I spend 100% of my development time) I don't care what ships as long as I can make it what I want it to be by merely selecting from a list that includes basic stuff like we've got now (i.e. "Metal"). I don't find "dark" or "flat" attractive in the least. I DO like colorful icons that make my desktop "attractive". What we each think is "attractive" is a very subjective judgement so a variety of options is a good thing -- even on Windows and Mac for those who prefer something other than native. Just my $.02. On Wed, Jan 22, 2020 at 2:09 PM Eirik Bakke wrote: > I think FlatLAF could very well be made the default on Linux. But on > Windows and MacOS, I'd argue we should use the OS-specific LAFs by default. > > On MacOS and Windows, we have very good existing LAFs that follow the same > style as other desktop applications on the same platform. So NetBeans will > look like a native MacOS app on Mac, and like a native Windows app on > Windows. In fact, both the MacOS (Aqua) and Windows LAFs make calls to the > OS to retrieve real, native graphics for buttons, combo boxes, checkboxes, > and so on. So NetBeans always gets the correct look for whichever OS > version is currently running. There has also been a lot of improvements to > the Windows and MacOS LAFs over the past few releases, and the next one, > especially for HiDPI displays. (See > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/HiDPI+%28Retina%29+improvements > ) > > The fact that NetBeans looks like a native app on both Windows and MacOS > is a strong brand differentiator, compared to for instance IntelliJ, which > does not in any way try to stay consistent with the OS look. > > -- Eirik > > -Original Message- > From: John Mc > Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2020 1:48 PM > To: dev@netbeans.apache.org > Subject: Flat Look and Feel NB12 default? > > Hi > > So I started using the latest development builds and I really like the > progress with the Flat Look and Feel addition for NB11.3. Great job to the > guys who have done all this work it really looks nice. > > Are there plans to consider making this the default LnF for NetBeans 12 > onwards? > > Regards > > John >
RE: Flat Look and Feel NB12 default?
I think FlatLAF could very well be made the default on Linux. But on Windows and MacOS, I'd argue we should use the OS-specific LAFs by default. On MacOS and Windows, we have very good existing LAFs that follow the same style as other desktop applications on the same platform. So NetBeans will look like a native MacOS app on Mac, and like a native Windows app on Windows. In fact, both the MacOS (Aqua) and Windows LAFs make calls to the OS to retrieve real, native graphics for buttons, combo boxes, checkboxes, and so on. So NetBeans always gets the correct look for whichever OS version is currently running. There has also been a lot of improvements to the Windows and MacOS LAFs over the past few releases, and the next one, especially for HiDPI displays. (See https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/HiDPI+%28Retina%29+improvements ) The fact that NetBeans looks like a native app on both Windows and MacOS is a strong brand differentiator, compared to for instance IntelliJ, which does not in any way try to stay consistent with the OS look. -- Eirik -Original Message- From: John Mc Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2020 1:48 PM To: dev@netbeans.apache.org Subject: Flat Look and Feel NB12 default? Hi So I started using the latest development builds and I really like the progress with the Flat Look and Feel addition for NB11.3. Great job to the guys who have done all this work it really looks nice. Are there plans to consider making this the default LnF for NetBeans 12 onwards? Regards John
Re: NetBeans language bundle
Great! Gj On Wed, 22 Jan 2020 at 20:08, Boris Heithecker wrote: > We can also put the whole donation as it is within one folder and then move > the parts to the corresponding modules piece by piece. I hope I can do the > first steps on Friday or Saturday. > Boris > > On Wed, 22 Jan 2020 at 12:40, Geertjan Wielenga > wrote: > > > That makes sense. But do we need them to be in modules or simply exactly > > as they are from the donation within one folder in the netbeans-tools > repo? > > > > Gj > > > > On Wed, Jan 22, 2020 at 12:23 PM Boris Heithecker < > > boris.heithec...@gmx.net> wrote: > > > >> Okay, I'm again where I was 6 months ago... > >> Of course, the files I integrate into my module have been changed, so > they > >> can't be moved as such to an Apache repository. If verification is > >> crucial, > >> I suggest to proceed as follows: > >> I'll remove the donated files from my module and submit only a module > >> stub. > >> Next, a trusted person should merge the german part of the donated files > >> into this stub. The following steps would be to rerun the adaption and > >> license changing jobs, committing after each step. This way all changes > to > >> the original files would be transparent and the origins remain > verifiable. > >> Boris > >> > >> On Wed, 22 Jan 2020 at 10:51, Matthias Bläsing < > mblaes...@doppel-helix.eu > >> > > >> wrote: > >> > >> > Before this is merged one crucial point: The new files must be > >> verifiable > >> > come from the donation zip. If that is not the case we will not be > able > >> to > >> > establish correct license handling. > >> > > >> > Am 22. Januar 2020 09:46:11 MEZ schrieb Geertjan Wielenga < > >> > geert...@apache.org>: > >> > >Clone that repo, push your content to your clone, make a PR for it, > and > >> > >I'll merge it. > >> > > > >> > >I think like that we can quickly have the content we want to work on > >> > >and > >> > >via PRs we can make the license changes and anything else needed. > >> > > > >> > >Gj > >> > > > >> > > > >> > >On Wed, Jan 22, 2020 at 8:31 AM Boris Heithecker > >> > > > >> > >wrote: > >> > > > >> > >> No, no other objections. We could start by moving my german > language > >> > >module > >> > >> from > >> > >> https://github.com/borisheithecker/netbeans-translations-de to a > new > >> > >> subdirectory in > >> > >> https://github.com/apache/netbeans-tools > >> > >> I could also place instructions on how to set up corresponding > >> > >modules for > >> > >> other languages. As I said already, the technical part is > >> > >straightforward > >> > >> and easy. > >> > >> Boris > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> On Tue, 21 Jan 2020 at 10:29, Geertjan Wielenga < > geert...@apache.org > >> > > >> > >> wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >> > Use this repo: > >> > >> > > >> > >> > https://github.com/apache/netbeans-tools > >> > >> > > >> > >> > Gj > >> > >> > > >> > >> > On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 9:06 AM Bertrand Delacretaz < > >> > >> > bdelacre...@apache.org> > >> > >> > wrote: > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > Hi, > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > On Thu, Sep 19, 2019 at 6:34 PM Boris Heithecker > >> > >> > > wrote: > >> > >> > > > ...I think all the community translations are now in the 3rd > >> > >donation > >> > >> > > zip ( > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > >> > > > >> > http://bits.netbeans.org/download/apache-donation/ApacheNetBeansDonation3 > >> > . > >> > >> > > > zip ). So they have been donated, but they can't be publish > >> > >within > >> > >> the > >> > >> > > > Apache infrastructure as along as the license headers havn't > >> > >been > >> > >> > > fixed... > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > From the ASF's point of view they cannot be *released* until > >> > >those > >> > >> > > headers are corrected, but they can be stored in ASF public > >> > >> > > repositories while being worked on. > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > This being said, is there something else from your point of > view > >> > >that > >> > >> > > prevents moving those files to a public repository? > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > -Bertrand > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >- > >> > >> > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.apache.org > >> > >> > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@netbeans.apache.org > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, > visit: > >> > >> > > > >> > >https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> > >> Boris Heithecker > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Dr. Boris Heithecker > >> > >> Lüneburger Str. 30 > >> > >> 28870 Ottersberg > >> > >> Festnetz: +49 4205 315834 > >> > >> Mobil: +49 170 6137015 > >> > >> > >> > > >> > -- > >> > Diese Nachricht wurde von meinem Android-Mobiltelefon mit K-9 Mail > >> > gesendet. > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Boris Heithecker > >> > >> > >
Re: 11.3-beta1 new project dialog
It’s a beta. Not the final release, which is when those update centers will be there. Gj On Wed, 22 Jan 2020 at 20:25, Ernie Rael wrote: > I can file bug reports if it's time... > > - start 11.3-beta1 empty dirs, no import > - new java ant project > java app > > The biggest issue might be the trouble contacting the plugin portal > > The dialog has a pair of checkboxes, > > * The nb-javac Java editing support lib > * JavaFX Implementation for Windows > > The first is expected. > > The JavaFX is checked and grayed out. It wants to download this. Is that > expected for a regular java project? > > And the dialog has the comment at the end: > > Errors encountered obtaining update information > Redirect from secure URL > 'https://netbeans.apache.org/nb/plugins/11.3/catalog.xml.gz' to > ' > http://plugins.netbeans.org/nbpluginportal/updates/11.0/catalog.xml.gz' > blocked. > > and the log has an exception about that > > -ernie > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@netbeans.apache.org > > For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists > > > >
11.3-beta1 new project dialog
I can file bug reports if it's time... - start 11.3-beta1 empty dirs, no import - new java ant project > java app The biggest issue might be the trouble contacting the plugin portal The dialog has a pair of checkboxes, * The nb-javac Java editing support lib * JavaFX Implementation for Windows The first is expected. The JavaFX is checked and grayed out. It wants to download this. Is that expected for a regular java project? And the dialog has the comment at the end: Errors encountered obtaining update information Redirect from secure URL 'https://netbeans.apache.org/nb/plugins/11.3/catalog.xml.gz' to 'http://plugins.netbeans.org/nbpluginportal/updates/11.0/catalog.xml.gz' blocked. and the log has an exception about that -ernie - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@netbeans.apache.org For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
Re: Flat Look and Feel NB12 default?
Confirmed! Good catch! On 1/22/20 11:16 AM, Neil C Smith wrote: On Wed, 22 Jan 2020 at 19:07, Patrik Karlström wrote: You do know that light attracts bugs? Actually, light and dark by the look of it! ;-p Can anyone replicate a problem with either FlatLAF theme? I run with all view tabs minimized to the side generally so the editor area is full size (but not with the maximize button). Closing the last editor tab in that scenario doesn't repaint properly - the tab is still visible but non-operational. Best wishes, Neil - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@netbeans.apache.org For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@netbeans.apache.org For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
Re: Flat Look and Feel NB12 default?
Yest the Light theme is also available, however I think some coloring needs adjustment there. Though I'm not really fond of the color scheme as light there. One of our users created an editor theme according to https://www.nordtheme.com/ Probably we could include that as well... On 1/22/20 11:01 AM, Matthias Bläsing wrote: Am Mittwoch, den 22.01.2020, 18:55 + schrieb Neil C Smith: On Wed, 22 Jan 2020 at 18:48, John Mc wrote: So I started using the latest development builds and I really like the progress with the Flat Look and Feel addition for NB11.3. Great job to the guys who have done all this work it really looks nice. Yes, +1. Looks great! Only issue I find is the toolbar icons feel a bit cramped - could do with some padding. Is Flat LAF light done yet? Currently I'm on Metal and while not a beauty, it works well. Greetings Matthias - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@netbeans.apache.org For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@netbeans.apache.org For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
Re: Flat Look and Feel NB12 default?
On Wed, 22 Jan 2020 at 19:07, Patrik Karlström wrote: > You do know that light attracts bugs? Actually, light and dark by the look of it! ;-p Can anyone replicate a problem with either FlatLAF theme? I run with all view tabs minimized to the side generally so the editor area is full size (but not with the maximize button). Closing the last editor tab in that scenario doesn't repaint properly - the tab is still visible but non-operational. Best wishes, Neil - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@netbeans.apache.org For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
Re: NetBeans language bundle
We can also put the whole donation as it is within one folder and then move the parts to the corresponding modules piece by piece. I hope I can do the first steps on Friday or Saturday. Boris On Wed, 22 Jan 2020 at 12:40, Geertjan Wielenga wrote: > That makes sense. But do we need them to be in modules or simply exactly > as they are from the donation within one folder in the netbeans-tools repo? > > Gj > > On Wed, Jan 22, 2020 at 12:23 PM Boris Heithecker < > boris.heithec...@gmx.net> wrote: > >> Okay, I'm again where I was 6 months ago... >> Of course, the files I integrate into my module have been changed, so they >> can't be moved as such to an Apache repository. If verification is >> crucial, >> I suggest to proceed as follows: >> I'll remove the donated files from my module and submit only a module >> stub. >> Next, a trusted person should merge the german part of the donated files >> into this stub. The following steps would be to rerun the adaption and >> license changing jobs, committing after each step. This way all changes to >> the original files would be transparent and the origins remain verifiable. >> Boris >> >> On Wed, 22 Jan 2020 at 10:51, Matthias Bläsing > > >> wrote: >> >> > Before this is merged one crucial point: The new files must be >> verifiable >> > come from the donation zip. If that is not the case we will not be able >> to >> > establish correct license handling. >> > >> > Am 22. Januar 2020 09:46:11 MEZ schrieb Geertjan Wielenga < >> > geert...@apache.org>: >> > >Clone that repo, push your content to your clone, make a PR for it, and >> > >I'll merge it. >> > > >> > >I think like that we can quickly have the content we want to work on >> > >and >> > >via PRs we can make the license changes and anything else needed. >> > > >> > >Gj >> > > >> > > >> > >On Wed, Jan 22, 2020 at 8:31 AM Boris Heithecker >> > > >> > >wrote: >> > > >> > >> No, no other objections. We could start by moving my german language >> > >module >> > >> from >> > >> https://github.com/borisheithecker/netbeans-translations-de to a new >> > >> subdirectory in >> > >> https://github.com/apache/netbeans-tools >> > >> I could also place instructions on how to set up corresponding >> > >modules for >> > >> other languages. As I said already, the technical part is >> > >straightforward >> > >> and easy. >> > >> Boris >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> On Tue, 21 Jan 2020 at 10:29, Geertjan Wielenga > > >> > >> wrote: >> > >> >> > >> > Use this repo: >> > >> > >> > >> > https://github.com/apache/netbeans-tools >> > >> > >> > >> > Gj >> > >> > >> > >> > On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 9:06 AM Bertrand Delacretaz < >> > >> > bdelacre...@apache.org> >> > >> > wrote: >> > >> > >> > >> > > Hi, >> > >> > > >> > >> > > On Thu, Sep 19, 2019 at 6:34 PM Boris Heithecker >> > >> > > wrote: >> > >> > > > ...I think all the community translations are now in the 3rd >> > >donation >> > >> > > zip ( >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> >> > > >> http://bits.netbeans.org/download/apache-donation/ApacheNetBeansDonation3 >> > . >> > >> > > > zip ). So they have been donated, but they can't be publish >> > >within >> > >> the >> > >> > > > Apache infrastructure as along as the license headers havn't >> > >been >> > >> > > fixed... >> > >> > > >> > >> > > From the ASF's point of view they cannot be *released* until >> > >those >> > >> > > headers are corrected, but they can be stored in ASF public >> > >> > > repositories while being worked on. >> > >> > > >> > >> > > This being said, is there something else from your point of view >> > >that >> > >> > > prevents moving those files to a public repository? >> > >> > > >> > >> > > -Bertrand >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >- >> > >> > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.apache.org >> > >> > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@netbeans.apache.org >> > >> > > >> > >> > > For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: >> > >> > > >> > >https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> -- >> > >> Boris Heithecker >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> Dr. Boris Heithecker >> > >> Lüneburger Str. 30 >> > >> 28870 Ottersberg >> > >> Festnetz: +49 4205 315834 >> > >> Mobil: +49 170 6137015 >> > >> >> > >> > -- >> > Diese Nachricht wurde von meinem Android-Mobiltelefon mit K-9 Mail >> > gesendet. >> >> >> >> -- >> Boris Heithecker >> >> >> Dr. Boris Heithecker >> Lüneburger Str. 30 >> 28870 Ottersberg >> Festnetz: +49 4205 315834 >> Mobil: +49 170 6137015 >> > -- Boris Heithecker Dr. Boris Heithecker Lüneburger Str. 30 28870 Ottersberg Festnetz: +49 4205 315834 Mobil: +49 170 6137015
Re: Flat Look and Feel NB12 default?
Den ons 22 jan. 2020 kl 20:04 skrev Neil C Smith : > On Wed, 22 Jan 2020 at 19:01, Matthias Bläsing > wrote: > > Is Flat LAF light done yet? > > Running with it now, and seems pretty good so far! Better than Metal! ;-) > > It may come as a surprise given all I've written about dark themes in > the dark distant past, but I much prefer light themes in NetBeans! > > You do know that light attracts bugs?
Re: Flat Look and Feel NB12 default?
On Wed, 22 Jan 2020 at 19:01, Matthias Bläsing wrote: > Is Flat LAF light done yet? Running with it now, and seems pretty good so far! Better than Metal! ;-) It may come as a surprise given all I've written about dark themes in the dark distant past, but I much prefer light themes in NetBeans! Best wishes, Neil - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@netbeans.apache.org For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
Re: NetBeans language bundle
I would like to work on the Swedish translation of the platform, once there is a workflow and guidelines. /Patrik
Re: Flat Look and Feel NB12 default?
Am Mittwoch, den 22.01.2020, 18:55 + schrieb Neil C Smith: > On Wed, 22 Jan 2020 at 18:48, John Mc > wrote: > > So I started using the latest development builds and I really like > > the > > progress with the Flat Look and Feel addition for NB11.3. Great > > job to the > > guys who have done all this work it really looks nice. > > Yes, +1. Looks great! Only issue I find is the toolbar icons feel a > bit cramped - could do with some padding. > Is Flat LAF light done yet? Currently I'm on Metal and while not a beauty, it works well. Greetings Matthias - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@netbeans.apache.org For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
Re: Flat Look and Feel NB12 default?
On Wed, 22 Jan 2020 at 18:48, John Mc wrote: > So I started using the latest development builds and I really like the > progress with the Flat Look and Feel addition for NB11.3. Great job to the > guys who have done all this work it really looks nice. Yes, +1. Looks great! Only issue I find is the toolbar icons feel a bit cramped - could do with some padding. > Are there plans to consider making this the default LnF for NetBeans 12 > onwards? I was wondering similar - looks great, and would give NetBeans its own look out of the box. Possibly a first start option between system LaF and this though? The import from previous versions dialog has been mentioned as something that could do with looking at, so maybe there's a way to consider a range of first run choices? Best wishes, Neil - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@netbeans.apache.org For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
Flat Look and Feel NB12 default?
Hi So I started using the latest development builds and I really like the progress with the Flat Look and Feel addition for NB11.3. Great job to the guys who have done all this work it really looks nice. Are there plans to consider making this the default LnF for NetBeans 12 onwards? Regards John
Re: Apache NetBeans 11.3-beta1 is ... available for testing !
Yes, I see it as the starting point for the N&N. The more we can organize the PRs into categories for the moment, the better the picture we can get -- but maybe highlight the main ones in bold or add a high level summary. Gj On Wed, Jan 22, 2020 at 3:03 PM Laszlo Kishalmi wrote: > Would this one be a somewhat organized list of changes or rather a New > and Noteworthy? > > As we put great effort and a number of PR-s into FlatLaf and Code > cleanup, though they would be 1-2 item on the noteworthy page. > > On 1/22/20 2:37 AM, Geertjan Wielenga wrote: > > Thanks. > > > > Started updating the Wiki accordingly: > > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Apache+NetBeans+11.3 > > > > Anyone, feel free to step in and add the items from the area that you > > worked on. > > > > Gj > > > > On Wed, Jan 22, 2020 at 10:24 AM Eric Barboni wrote: > > > >> Hi Geertjan, > >> > >> I think the link is the following: > >> https://github.com/apache/netbeans/milestone/4?closed=1 > >> > >> Best Regards > >> Eric > >> -Message d'origine- > >> De : Geertjan Wielenga > >> Envoyé : mercredi 22 janvier 2020 09:09 > >> À : dev@netbeans.apache.org > >> Objet : Re: Apache NetBeans 11.3-beta1 is ... available for testing ! > >> > >> Great! > >> > >> I’ll be happy to provide a draft of the 11.3 release notes on the Wiki > you > >> created, if you can provide a link to all completed PRs in the 11.3 > >> timeframe. > >> > >> Gj > >> > >> On Wed, 22 Jan 2020 at 02:50, Kai Uwe Pel wrote: > >> > >>> Well noted with thanks, Eric! > >>> > >>> Regards, > >>> Kai > >>> > >>> > >>> On 1/22/2020 2:35 AM, Eric Barboni wrote: > Dear Apache NetBeans community, > > The first beta build for Apache NetBeans 11.3 is available. > > As per the release schedule, NB 11.3 is a non-LTS release, and will > not > >>> have > a full NetCAT process. However, feedback and testing from those on > the > >>> dev@ > and netcat@ lists would still be appreciated, particularly around > new features. Please file issues in JIRA as necessary, with the > affects and > >>> fix > versions set to 11.3. Please take note of the Bug Priority > Guidelines > >>> (link > below), in particular so that we can address critical and blocking > >>> issues if > they arise. > > **If making PRs to fix issues, please add the 11.3 milestone and add > me > >>> as > one of the reviewers** > > See the artefacts here: > > >>> https://builds.apache.org/view/M-R/view/NetBeans/job/netbeans-TLP/job/ > >>> netbea > ns/job/release113/4/artifact/dist/ > > The binary you most likely need is: > > >>> https://builds.apache.org/view/M-R/view/NetBeans/job/netbeans-TLP/job/ > >>> netbea > ns/job/release113/4/artifact/dist/netbeans-11.3-beta1-bin.zip > > The SHA512 sums if you would like to check them are provided there > as > >>> well > as here: > > >>> d07831e60c697386b22f679a3ff3c36b5ec4b87d63fd7bf6cf1b020ff86d7b8fe5e3cc > >>> 02960f > c4e4ab9bff102b3277c9fbfe11908c768cadc86f68151e02c830 > ./netbeans-11.3-beta1-bin.zip > > >>> 6f3bc03d636418ce79cc9f62de900a292d1213fca6decc0e9297105e0f738c0509c41e > >>> f40390 > 90c178fcb56d4698eed18ced9291e3cd27a9e5c9d5920daf20e3 > ./netbeans-11.3-beta1-source.zip > > > Release schedule : > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Release+Schedul > e > Bug Priority Guidelines : > > >>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Bug+Priority+Guid > >>> elines > NB 11.3 major changes (HELP wanted to complete): > > >>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Apache+NetBeans+1 > >>> 1.3 > Best Regards > Eric > > > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@netbeans.apache.org > > For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists > > > > >>> > >>> - > >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.apache.org > >>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@netbeans.apache.org > >>> > >>> For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: > >>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> - > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.apache.org > >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@netbeans.apache.org > >> > >> For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: > >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists > >> > >> > >> > >> > >
Re: Apache NetBeans 11.3-beta1 is ... available for testing !
Would this one be a somewhat organized list of changes or rather a New and Noteworthy? As we put great effort and a number of PR-s into FlatLaf and Code cleanup, though they would be 1-2 item on the noteworthy page. On 1/22/20 2:37 AM, Geertjan Wielenga wrote: Thanks. Started updating the Wiki accordingly: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Apache+NetBeans+11.3 Anyone, feel free to step in and add the items from the area that you worked on. Gj On Wed, Jan 22, 2020 at 10:24 AM Eric Barboni wrote: Hi Geertjan, I think the link is the following: https://github.com/apache/netbeans/milestone/4?closed=1 Best Regards Eric -Message d'origine- De : Geertjan Wielenga Envoyé : mercredi 22 janvier 2020 09:09 À : dev@netbeans.apache.org Objet : Re: Apache NetBeans 11.3-beta1 is ... available for testing ! Great! I’ll be happy to provide a draft of the 11.3 release notes on the Wiki you created, if you can provide a link to all completed PRs in the 11.3 timeframe. Gj On Wed, 22 Jan 2020 at 02:50, Kai Uwe Pel wrote: Well noted with thanks, Eric! Regards, Kai On 1/22/2020 2:35 AM, Eric Barboni wrote: Dear Apache NetBeans community, The first beta build for Apache NetBeans 11.3 is available. As per the release schedule, NB 11.3 is a non-LTS release, and will not have a full NetCAT process. However, feedback and testing from those on the dev@ and netcat@ lists would still be appreciated, particularly around new features. Please file issues in JIRA as necessary, with the affects and fix versions set to 11.3. Please take note of the Bug Priority Guidelines (link below), in particular so that we can address critical and blocking issues if they arise. **If making PRs to fix issues, please add the 11.3 milestone and add me as one of the reviewers** See the artefacts here: https://builds.apache.org/view/M-R/view/NetBeans/job/netbeans-TLP/job/ netbea ns/job/release113/4/artifact/dist/ The binary you most likely need is: https://builds.apache.org/view/M-R/view/NetBeans/job/netbeans-TLP/job/ netbea ns/job/release113/4/artifact/dist/netbeans-11.3-beta1-bin.zip The SHA512 sums if you would like to check them are provided there as well as here: d07831e60c697386b22f679a3ff3c36b5ec4b87d63fd7bf6cf1b020ff86d7b8fe5e3cc 02960f c4e4ab9bff102b3277c9fbfe11908c768cadc86f68151e02c830 ./netbeans-11.3-beta1-bin.zip 6f3bc03d636418ce79cc9f62de900a292d1213fca6decc0e9297105e0f738c0509c41e f40390 90c178fcb56d4698eed18ced9291e3cd27a9e5c9d5920daf20e3 ./netbeans-11.3-beta1-source.zip Release schedule : https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Release+Schedul e Bug Priority Guidelines : https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Bug+Priority+Guid elines NB 11.3 major changes (HELP wanted to complete): https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Apache+NetBeans+1 1.3 Best Regards Eric - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@netbeans.apache.org For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@netbeans.apache.org For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@netbeans.apache.org For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@netbeans.apache.org For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
Re: NetBeans language bundle
That makes sense. But do we need them to be in modules or simply exactly as they are from the donation within one folder in the netbeans-tools repo? Gj On Wed, Jan 22, 2020 at 12:23 PM Boris Heithecker wrote: > Okay, I'm again where I was 6 months ago... > Of course, the files I integrate into my module have been changed, so they > can't be moved as such to an Apache repository. If verification is crucial, > I suggest to proceed as follows: > I'll remove the donated files from my module and submit only a module stub. > Next, a trusted person should merge the german part of the donated files > into this stub. The following steps would be to rerun the adaption and > license changing jobs, committing after each step. This way all changes to > the original files would be transparent and the origins remain verifiable. > Boris > > On Wed, 22 Jan 2020 at 10:51, Matthias Bläsing > wrote: > > > Before this is merged one crucial point: The new files must be verifiable > > come from the donation zip. If that is not the case we will not be able > to > > establish correct license handling. > > > > Am 22. Januar 2020 09:46:11 MEZ schrieb Geertjan Wielenga < > > geert...@apache.org>: > > >Clone that repo, push your content to your clone, make a PR for it, and > > >I'll merge it. > > > > > >I think like that we can quickly have the content we want to work on > > >and > > >via PRs we can make the license changes and anything else needed. > > > > > >Gj > > > > > > > > >On Wed, Jan 22, 2020 at 8:31 AM Boris Heithecker > > > > > >wrote: > > > > > >> No, no other objections. We could start by moving my german language > > >module > > >> from > > >> https://github.com/borisheithecker/netbeans-translations-de to a new > > >> subdirectory in > > >> https://github.com/apache/netbeans-tools > > >> I could also place instructions on how to set up corresponding > > >modules for > > >> other languages. As I said already, the technical part is > > >straightforward > > >> and easy. > > >> Boris > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> On Tue, 21 Jan 2020 at 10:29, Geertjan Wielenga > > >> wrote: > > >> > > >> > Use this repo: > > >> > > > >> > https://github.com/apache/netbeans-tools > > >> > > > >> > Gj > > >> > > > >> > On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 9:06 AM Bertrand Delacretaz < > > >> > bdelacre...@apache.org> > > >> > wrote: > > >> > > > >> > > Hi, > > >> > > > > >> > > On Thu, Sep 19, 2019 at 6:34 PM Boris Heithecker > > >> > > wrote: > > >> > > > ...I think all the community translations are now in the 3rd > > >donation > > >> > > zip ( > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > http://bits.netbeans.org/download/apache-donation/ApacheNetBeansDonation3 > > . > > >> > > > zip ). So they have been donated, but they can't be publish > > >within > > >> the > > >> > > > Apache infrastructure as along as the license headers havn't > > >been > > >> > > fixed... > > >> > > > > >> > > From the ASF's point of view they cannot be *released* until > > >those > > >> > > headers are corrected, but they can be stored in ASF public > > >> > > repositories while being worked on. > > >> > > > > >> > > This being said, is there something else from your point of view > > >that > > >> > > prevents moving those files to a public repository? > > >> > > > > >> > > -Bertrand > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >- > > >> > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.apache.org > > >> > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@netbeans.apache.org > > >> > > > > >> > > For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: > > >> > > > > >https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> -- > > >> Boris Heithecker > > >> > > >> > > >> Dr. Boris Heithecker > > >> Lüneburger Str. 30 > > >> 28870 Ottersberg > > >> Festnetz: +49 4205 315834 > > >> Mobil: +49 170 6137015 > > >> > > > > -- > > Diese Nachricht wurde von meinem Android-Mobiltelefon mit K-9 Mail > > gesendet. > > > > -- > Boris Heithecker > > > Dr. Boris Heithecker > Lüneburger Str. 30 > 28870 Ottersberg > Festnetz: +49 4205 315834 > Mobil: +49 170 6137015 >
Re: NetBeans language bundle
Okay, I'm again where I was 6 months ago... Of course, the files I integrate into my module have been changed, so they can't be moved as such to an Apache repository. If verification is crucial, I suggest to proceed as follows: I'll remove the donated files from my module and submit only a module stub. Next, a trusted person should merge the german part of the donated files into this stub. The following steps would be to rerun the adaption and license changing jobs, committing after each step. This way all changes to the original files would be transparent and the origins remain verifiable. Boris On Wed, 22 Jan 2020 at 10:51, Matthias Bläsing wrote: > Before this is merged one crucial point: The new files must be verifiable > come from the donation zip. If that is not the case we will not be able to > establish correct license handling. > > Am 22. Januar 2020 09:46:11 MEZ schrieb Geertjan Wielenga < > geert...@apache.org>: > >Clone that repo, push your content to your clone, make a PR for it, and > >I'll merge it. > > > >I think like that we can quickly have the content we want to work on > >and > >via PRs we can make the license changes and anything else needed. > > > >Gj > > > > > >On Wed, Jan 22, 2020 at 8:31 AM Boris Heithecker > > > >wrote: > > > >> No, no other objections. We could start by moving my german language > >module > >> from > >> https://github.com/borisheithecker/netbeans-translations-de to a new > >> subdirectory in > >> https://github.com/apache/netbeans-tools > >> I could also place instructions on how to set up corresponding > >modules for > >> other languages. As I said already, the technical part is > >straightforward > >> and easy. > >> Boris > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> On Tue, 21 Jan 2020 at 10:29, Geertjan Wielenga > >> wrote: > >> > >> > Use this repo: > >> > > >> > https://github.com/apache/netbeans-tools > >> > > >> > Gj > >> > > >> > On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 9:06 AM Bertrand Delacretaz < > >> > bdelacre...@apache.org> > >> > wrote: > >> > > >> > > Hi, > >> > > > >> > > On Thu, Sep 19, 2019 at 6:34 PM Boris Heithecker > >> > > wrote: > >> > > > ...I think all the community translations are now in the 3rd > >donation > >> > > zip ( > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >http://bits.netbeans.org/download/apache-donation/ApacheNetBeansDonation3 > . > >> > > > zip ). So they have been donated, but they can't be publish > >within > >> the > >> > > > Apache infrastructure as along as the license headers havn't > >been > >> > > fixed... > >> > > > >> > > From the ASF's point of view they cannot be *released* until > >those > >> > > headers are corrected, but they can be stored in ASF public > >> > > repositories while being worked on. > >> > > > >> > > This being said, is there something else from your point of view > >that > >> > > prevents moving those files to a public repository? > >> > > > >> > > -Bertrand > >> > > > >> > > > >- > >> > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.apache.org > >> > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@netbeans.apache.org > >> > > > >> > > For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: > >> > > > >https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Boris Heithecker > >> > >> > >> Dr. Boris Heithecker > >> Lüneburger Str. 30 > >> 28870 Ottersberg > >> Festnetz: +49 4205 315834 > >> Mobil: +49 170 6137015 > >> > > -- > Diese Nachricht wurde von meinem Android-Mobiltelefon mit K-9 Mail > gesendet. -- Boris Heithecker Dr. Boris Heithecker Lüneburger Str. 30 28870 Ottersberg Festnetz: +49 4205 315834 Mobil: +49 170 6137015
Re: Apache NetBeans 11.3-beta1 is ... available for testing !
Thanks. Started updating the Wiki accordingly: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Apache+NetBeans+11.3 Anyone, feel free to step in and add the items from the area that you worked on. Gj On Wed, Jan 22, 2020 at 10:24 AM Eric Barboni wrote: > Hi Geertjan, > > I think the link is the following: > https://github.com/apache/netbeans/milestone/4?closed=1 > > Best Regards > Eric > -Message d'origine- > De : Geertjan Wielenga > Envoyé : mercredi 22 janvier 2020 09:09 > À : dev@netbeans.apache.org > Objet : Re: Apache NetBeans 11.3-beta1 is ... available for testing ! > > Great! > > I’ll be happy to provide a draft of the 11.3 release notes on the Wiki you > created, if you can provide a link to all completed PRs in the 11.3 > timeframe. > > Gj > > On Wed, 22 Jan 2020 at 02:50, Kai Uwe Pel wrote: > > > Well noted with thanks, Eric! > > > > Regards, > > Kai > > > > > > On 1/22/2020 2:35 AM, Eric Barboni wrote: > > > Dear Apache NetBeans community, > > > > > > The first beta build for Apache NetBeans 11.3 is available. > > > > > > As per the release schedule, NB 11.3 is a non-LTS release, and will > > > not > > have > > > a full NetCAT process. However, feedback and testing from those on > > > the > > dev@ > > > and netcat@ lists would still be appreciated, particularly around > > > new features. Please file issues in JIRA as necessary, with the > > > affects and > > fix > > > versions set to 11.3. Please take note of the Bug Priority > > > Guidelines > > (link > > > below), in particular so that we can address critical and blocking > > issues if > > > they arise. > > > > > > **If making PRs to fix issues, please add the 11.3 milestone and add > > > me > > as > > > one of the reviewers** > > > > > > See the artefacts here: > > > > > https://builds.apache.org/view/M-R/view/NetBeans/job/netbeans-TLP/job/ > > netbea > > > ns/job/release113/4/artifact/dist/ > > > > > > The binary you most likely need is: > > > > > https://builds.apache.org/view/M-R/view/NetBeans/job/netbeans-TLP/job/ > > netbea > > > ns/job/release113/4/artifact/dist/netbeans-11.3-beta1-bin.zip > > > > > > The SHA512 sums if you would like to check them are provided there > > > as > > well > > > as here: > > > > > d07831e60c697386b22f679a3ff3c36b5ec4b87d63fd7bf6cf1b020ff86d7b8fe5e3cc > > 02960f > > > c4e4ab9bff102b3277c9fbfe11908c768cadc86f68151e02c830 > > > ./netbeans-11.3-beta1-bin.zip > > > > > 6f3bc03d636418ce79cc9f62de900a292d1213fca6decc0e9297105e0f738c0509c41e > > f40390 > > > 90c178fcb56d4698eed18ced9291e3cd27a9e5c9d5920daf20e3 > > > ./netbeans-11.3-beta1-source.zip > > > > > > > > > Release schedule : > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Release+Schedul > > > e > > > Bug Priority Guidelines : > > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Bug+Priority+Guid > > elines > > > NB 11.3 major changes (HELP wanted to complete): > > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Apache+NetBeans+1 > > 1.3 > > > > > > Best Regards > > > Eric > > > > > > > > > > > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.apache.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@netbeans.apache.org > > > > > > For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@netbeans.apache.org > > > > For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists > > > > > > > > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@netbeans.apache.org > > For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists > > > >
Re: NetBeans language bundle
Before this is merged one crucial point: The new files must be verifiable come from the donation zip. If that is not the case we will not be able to establish correct license handling. Am 22. Januar 2020 09:46:11 MEZ schrieb Geertjan Wielenga : >Clone that repo, push your content to your clone, make a PR for it, and >I'll merge it. > >I think like that we can quickly have the content we want to work on >and >via PRs we can make the license changes and anything else needed. > >Gj > > >On Wed, Jan 22, 2020 at 8:31 AM Boris Heithecker > >wrote: > >> No, no other objections. We could start by moving my german language >module >> from >> https://github.com/borisheithecker/netbeans-translations-de to a new >> subdirectory in >> https://github.com/apache/netbeans-tools >> I could also place instructions on how to set up corresponding >modules for >> other languages. As I said already, the technical part is >straightforward >> and easy. >> Boris >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, 21 Jan 2020 at 10:29, Geertjan Wielenga >> wrote: >> >> > Use this repo: >> > >> > https://github.com/apache/netbeans-tools >> > >> > Gj >> > >> > On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 9:06 AM Bertrand Delacretaz < >> > bdelacre...@apache.org> >> > wrote: >> > >> > > Hi, >> > > >> > > On Thu, Sep 19, 2019 at 6:34 PM Boris Heithecker >> > > wrote: >> > > > ...I think all the community translations are now in the 3rd >donation >> > > zip ( >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >http://bits.netbeans.org/download/apache-donation/ApacheNetBeansDonation3. >> > > > zip ). So they have been donated, but they can't be publish >within >> the >> > > > Apache infrastructure as along as the license headers havn't >been >> > > fixed... >> > > >> > > From the ASF's point of view they cannot be *released* until >those >> > > headers are corrected, but they can be stored in ASF public >> > > repositories while being worked on. >> > > >> > > This being said, is there something else from your point of view >that >> > > prevents moving those files to a public repository? >> > > >> > > -Bertrand >> > > >> > > >- >> > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.apache.org >> > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@netbeans.apache.org >> > > >> > > For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: >> > > >https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> >> >> -- >> Boris Heithecker >> >> >> Dr. Boris Heithecker >> Lüneburger Str. 30 >> 28870 Ottersberg >> Festnetz: +49 4205 315834 >> Mobil: +49 170 6137015 >> -- Diese Nachricht wurde von meinem Android-Mobiltelefon mit K-9 Mail gesendet.
AW: NetBeans API for projects lifecycle
Hey Alex, atm not, sry. I just needed to listen for the debug session 😊. But when I figure it out, I will let you know. Cheers Chris Von: Alessandro Gesendet: Mittwoch, 22. Januar 2020 10:45 An: dev@netbeans.apache.org Betreff: Re: NetBeans API for projects lifecycle Hi Chris, the DebuggerManager API allows to listen for start/stop debug project events just fine. Do you, or anyone, know how to listen to start/stop run project events too? Thank you in advance. Regards, Alex Il giorno mar 21 gen 2020 alle ore 16:41 Alessandro ha scritto: > Thanks Chris, > will check that out. > > Greets, > Alex > > Il giorno mar 21 gen 2020 alle ore 13:33 Christian Lenz < > christian.l...@gmx.net> ha scritto: > >> Hey Alessandro, >> >> check this out: >> https://gist.github.com/Chris2011/f779ec3227bad795d23786daf3ac008e >> >> >> Cheers >> >> Chris >> >> >> >> Von: Alessandro >> Gesendet: Montag, 20. Januar 2020 15:13 >> An: dev@netbeans.apache.org >> Betreff: NetBeans API for projects lifecycle >> >> Hi all, >> is there a NetBeans API for listening to when user starts/stops >> Run/Debug >> of Java projects (all build tools) and also possibly programmatically >> starting/stopping them too? >> >> Is this a question better suited for the users mailing list? >> >> Regards, >> Alex >> >>
Re: NetBeans API for projects lifecycle
Hi Chris, the DebuggerManager API allows to listen for start/stop debug project events just fine. Do you, or anyone, know how to listen to start/stop run project events too? Thank you in advance. Regards, Alex Il giorno mar 21 gen 2020 alle ore 16:41 Alessandro ha scritto: > Thanks Chris, > will check that out. > > Greets, > Alex > > Il giorno mar 21 gen 2020 alle ore 13:33 Christian Lenz < > christian.l...@gmx.net> ha scritto: > >> Hey Alessandro, >> >> check this out: >> https://gist.github.com/Chris2011/f779ec3227bad795d23786daf3ac008e >> >> >> Cheers >> >> Chris >> >> >> >> Von: Alessandro >> Gesendet: Montag, 20. Januar 2020 15:13 >> An: dev@netbeans.apache.org >> Betreff: NetBeans API for projects lifecycle >> >> Hi all, >> is there a NetBeans API for listening to when user starts/stops >> Run/Debug >> of Java projects (all build tools) and also possibly programmatically >> starting/stopping them too? >> >> Is this a question better suited for the users mailing list? >> >> Regards, >> Alex >> >>
RE: Apache NetBeans 11.3-beta1 is ... available for testing !
Hi Geertjan, I think the link is the following: https://github.com/apache/netbeans/milestone/4?closed=1 Best Regards Eric -Message d'origine- De : Geertjan Wielenga Envoyé : mercredi 22 janvier 2020 09:09 À : dev@netbeans.apache.org Objet : Re: Apache NetBeans 11.3-beta1 is ... available for testing ! Great! I’ll be happy to provide a draft of the 11.3 release notes on the Wiki you created, if you can provide a link to all completed PRs in the 11.3 timeframe. Gj On Wed, 22 Jan 2020 at 02:50, Kai Uwe Pel wrote: > Well noted with thanks, Eric! > > Regards, > Kai > > > On 1/22/2020 2:35 AM, Eric Barboni wrote: > > Dear Apache NetBeans community, > > > > The first beta build for Apache NetBeans 11.3 is available. > > > > As per the release schedule, NB 11.3 is a non-LTS release, and will > > not > have > > a full NetCAT process. However, feedback and testing from those on > > the > dev@ > > and netcat@ lists would still be appreciated, particularly around > > new features. Please file issues in JIRA as necessary, with the > > affects and > fix > > versions set to 11.3. Please take note of the Bug Priority > > Guidelines > (link > > below), in particular so that we can address critical and blocking > issues if > > they arise. > > > > **If making PRs to fix issues, please add the 11.3 milestone and add > > me > as > > one of the reviewers** > > > > See the artefacts here: > > > https://builds.apache.org/view/M-R/view/NetBeans/job/netbeans-TLP/job/ > netbea > > ns/job/release113/4/artifact/dist/ > > > > The binary you most likely need is: > > > https://builds.apache.org/view/M-R/view/NetBeans/job/netbeans-TLP/job/ > netbea > > ns/job/release113/4/artifact/dist/netbeans-11.3-beta1-bin.zip > > > > The SHA512 sums if you would like to check them are provided there > > as > well > > as here: > > > d07831e60c697386b22f679a3ff3c36b5ec4b87d63fd7bf6cf1b020ff86d7b8fe5e3cc > 02960f > > c4e4ab9bff102b3277c9fbfe11908c768cadc86f68151e02c830 > > ./netbeans-11.3-beta1-bin.zip > > > 6f3bc03d636418ce79cc9f62de900a292d1213fca6decc0e9297105e0f738c0509c41e > f40390 > > 90c178fcb56d4698eed18ced9291e3cd27a9e5c9d5920daf20e3 > > ./netbeans-11.3-beta1-source.zip > > > > > > Release schedule : > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Release+Schedul > > e > > Bug Priority Guidelines : > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Bug+Priority+Guid > elines > > NB 11.3 major changes (HELP wanted to complete): > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Apache+NetBeans+1 > 1.3 > > > > Best Regards > > Eric > > > > > > > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@netbeans.apache.org > > > > For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists > > > > > > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@netbeans.apache.org > > For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists > > > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@netbeans.apache.org For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
Re: NetBeans language bundle
Clone that repo, push your content to your clone, make a PR for it, and I'll merge it. I think like that we can quickly have the content we want to work on and via PRs we can make the license changes and anything else needed. Gj On Wed, Jan 22, 2020 at 8:31 AM Boris Heithecker wrote: > No, no other objections. We could start by moving my german language module > from > https://github.com/borisheithecker/netbeans-translations-de to a new > subdirectory in > https://github.com/apache/netbeans-tools > I could also place instructions on how to set up corresponding modules for > other languages. As I said already, the technical part is straightforward > and easy. > Boris > > > > > > > On Tue, 21 Jan 2020 at 10:29, Geertjan Wielenga > wrote: > > > Use this repo: > > > > https://github.com/apache/netbeans-tools > > > > Gj > > > > On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 9:06 AM Bertrand Delacretaz < > > bdelacre...@apache.org> > > wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 19, 2019 at 6:34 PM Boris Heithecker > > > wrote: > > > > ...I think all the community translations are now in the 3rd donation > > > zip ( > > > > > > > > > > http://bits.netbeans.org/download/apache-donation/ApacheNetBeansDonation3. > > > > zip ). So they have been donated, but they can't be publish within > the > > > > Apache infrastructure as along as the license headers havn't been > > > fixed... > > > > > > From the ASF's point of view they cannot be *released* until those > > > headers are corrected, but they can be stored in ASF public > > > repositories while being worked on. > > > > > > This being said, is there something else from your point of view that > > > prevents moving those files to a public repository? > > > > > > -Bertrand > > > > > > - > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.apache.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@netbeans.apache.org > > > > > > For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Boris Heithecker > > > Dr. Boris Heithecker > Lüneburger Str. 30 > 28870 Ottersberg > Festnetz: +49 4205 315834 > Mobil: +49 170 6137015 >
Re: Apache NetBeans 11.3-beta1 is ... available for testing !
Great! I’ll be happy to provide a draft of the 11.3 release notes on the Wiki you created, if you can provide a link to all completed PRs in the 11.3 timeframe. Gj On Wed, 22 Jan 2020 at 02:50, Kai Uwe Pel wrote: > Well noted with thanks, Eric! > > Regards, > Kai > > > On 1/22/2020 2:35 AM, Eric Barboni wrote: > > Dear Apache NetBeans community, > > > > The first beta build for Apache NetBeans 11.3 is available. > > > > As per the release schedule, NB 11.3 is a non-LTS release, and will not > have > > a full NetCAT process. However, feedback and testing from those on the > dev@ > > and netcat@ lists would still be appreciated, particularly around new > > features. Please file issues in JIRA as necessary, with the affects and > fix > > versions set to 11.3. Please take note of the Bug Priority Guidelines > (link > > below), in particular so that we can address critical and blocking > issues if > > they arise. > > > > **If making PRs to fix issues, please add the 11.3 milestone and add me > as > > one of the reviewers** > > > > See the artefacts here: > > > https://builds.apache.org/view/M-R/view/NetBeans/job/netbeans-TLP/job/netbea > > ns/job/release113/4/artifact/dist/ > > > > The binary you most likely need is: > > > https://builds.apache.org/view/M-R/view/NetBeans/job/netbeans-TLP/job/netbea > > ns/job/release113/4/artifact/dist/netbeans-11.3-beta1-bin.zip > > > > The SHA512 sums if you would like to check them are provided there as > well > > as here: > > > d07831e60c697386b22f679a3ff3c36b5ec4b87d63fd7bf6cf1b020ff86d7b8fe5e3cc02960f > > c4e4ab9bff102b3277c9fbfe11908c768cadc86f68151e02c830 > > ./netbeans-11.3-beta1-bin.zip > > > 6f3bc03d636418ce79cc9f62de900a292d1213fca6decc0e9297105e0f738c0509c41ef40390 > > 90c178fcb56d4698eed18ced9291e3cd27a9e5c9d5920daf20e3 > > ./netbeans-11.3-beta1-source.zip > > > > > > Release schedule : > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Release+Schedule > > Bug Priority Guidelines : > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Bug+Priority+Guidelines > > NB 11.3 major changes (HELP wanted to complete): > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Apache+NetBeans+11.3 > > > > Best Regards > > Eric > > > > > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@netbeans.apache.org > > > > For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists > > > > > > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@netbeans.apache.org > > For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists > > > >
