Re: Another Framework Vision
hi Adrian, I am not that keen on tech. However, it is obvious that the framework needs to be improved. What I expect from the further improvement of ofbiz framework are: 1) less dependency 2) less re-invent the wheel, like scheduler, cache, CMS, etc I can see Moqui do much better at this point. (But that doesn't mean we have to use Moqui to replace ofbiz framework.) As a manager, I always heard from my developers: what's the value to go so deep into ofbiz...but have no chance to use other common libraries. Furthermore, they don't think ofbiz is better than other existed libraries, like quarz, ehcache, Jackrabbit. So I really like Moqui's ecosystem... 3) distributed community Contributors have different interests and experience. But now ofbiz components depend on each other in a tight and sometime unreasonable way(Maybe things are not supposed to be like what they are now). I am not saying it is good or bad to replace ofbiz framework with Moqui. But I really look forward to seeing the good ideas from Moqui in Ofbiz. -- Regards, Michael Xu (xudong) On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 4:54 AM, Adrian Crum adrian.c...@sandglass-software.com wrote: Since we're discussing framework rewrites and free markets and such, I decided to throw my hat into the ring too. One proposal so far is to replace the OFBiz framework with the Moqui project. I have another idea - let's rewrite the framework using the existing community. Everyone can participate in the design - thereby leveraging the immense wealth of knowledge available in the community. To kick things off, I created a document describing my vision of an application framework. It's brief and it doesn't include any implementation details. If there is any interest in this approach, then everyone is free to add pages to the document and we can go from there. The document can be found here: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBADMIN/Another+Framework+Vision -Adrian
Re: JIRA plugin framework
hi BJ, I think you don't understand what I mean. Maybe you can take a look at JIRA plugin framework. -- Regards, Michael Xu (xudong) On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 12:34 PM, BJ Freeman bjf...@free-man.net wrote: sounds like you extending the entity engine so the data can be on the Cloud. Though I would not use it, I can see where some my want to do that. if the cloud can run ofbiz (java SDK) then sounds like that is all you need. = BJ Freeman Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52 Specialtymarket.com http://www.specialtymarket.com/ Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man Michael Xu (xudong) sent the following on 1/13/2011 8:05 PM: hi all, There is a very wonderful feature in JIRA - plugin mechanism based on OSGI, with which ofbiz application could be extended in a very dynamic way. No need to restart. It means a lot not from technical perspective but also from business perspective. If we can borrow the idea from JIRA, then we can bring ofbiz up to cloud and have an partner ecosystem around it. Taking CRM component as an example, if we have the JIRA plugin mechanism, we can turn it into another salesforce. It seems JIRA plugin is also open source Not sure whether we can merge it into ofbiz. -- Regards, Michael Xu (xudong)
JIRA plugin framework
hi all, There is a very wonderful feature in JIRA - plugin mechanism based on OSGI, with which ofbiz application could be extended in a very dynamic way. No need to restart. It means a lot not from technical perspective but also from business perspective. If we can borrow the idea from JIRA, then we can bring ofbiz up to cloud and have an partner ecosystem around it. Taking CRM component as an example, if we have the JIRA plugin mechanism, we can turn it into another salesforce. It seems JIRA plugin is also open source Not sure whether we can merge it into ofbiz. -- Regards, Michael Xu (xudong)
Re: Adding a standars CSV export feature to list forms
hi Bruno we discussed this issue at: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-3981, which, however, relates to jquery. -- Regards, Michael Xu (xudong) On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 7:22 AM, Bruno Busco bruno.bu...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I was thinking that having a CSV export feature embedded in the list form widget could be nice. I mean a feature that, simply adding something like a csv-export=true attribute in the form widget, would show a link or an icon in the top form pagination bar that would export the actual data listed in the form. Does this make sense? Any idea on how to implement this? Many thanks to everybody wants to share ideas on this. -Bruno
Re: jquey
+1 Yeah, I would love such a great Xmas present :-) -- Regards, Michael Xu (xudong) On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 8:45 PM, Sascha Rodekamp sascha.rodekamp.lynx.de@ googlemail.com wrote: You're welcome +1 Would be a great Xmas present to merge all the stuff into the trunk :-) Am 02.12.2010 um 10:59 schrieb Erwan de FERRIERES erwan.de-ferrie...@nereide.fr: Le 02/12/2010 10:35, Jacques Le Roux a écrit : Looks like, apart Bruno, we are all on the same page so far Other opinions, ideas? Thanks Jacques The sooner the better ! Thanks for all your work, Jacques and Sascha -- Erwan de FERRIERES www.nereide.biz
Re: Develop Screen as Google Web Toolkit
Cool! May I suggest that you put gwt codes as a branch and have some documents in ofbiz wiki? -- Regards, Michael Xu (xudong) On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 5:11 PM, Chatree Srichart chatree.srich...@gmail.com wrote: I have added the history function to OFBiz-GWT project. The GWT would handle screen when you click on the Back or Forward buttons of a web browser. Regards, Chatree Srichart
Re: Develop Screen as Google Web Toolkit
As I know, we have a jquery branch already and now GWT is another direction, which looks amazing. I think committee should really and seriously consider the overall UI approach. A concrete plan is even better. -- Regards, Michael Xu (xudong) On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 11:16 AM, Chatree Srichart chatree.srich...@gmail.com wrote: I added the changing language feature to the OFBiz-GWThttp://code.google.com/p/ofbiz-gwt/project. It would get different languages from exist UI label files. To try this please apply ofbiz-patches and re-compile again. Regards, Chatree Srichart
Re: Replace JobManager with Quartz Scheduler
hi Scott, I don't know much about Quartz. But I really think it is the correct direction to migrate home-grown codes to mature third party solution or separate mature ofbiz components as standalone framework. As such, we can focus on value creation and furthermore it might help attract more developers to join. -- Regards, Michael Xu (xudong) On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 5:28 AM, Scott Gray scott.g...@hotwaxmedia.comwrote: Hi All, I was looking at the Quartz Scheduler project (www.quartz-scheduler.org) over the weekend and it looks like it could be a good fit for OFBiz. We ran into some issues with the scheduled service code in OFBiz recently where a heavy server load would cause all sorts of strangeness (multiple reschedules for a single failed job, inability to purge old jobs before a timeout, those two combined eventually bringing the server to its knees), and my options are to either find and fix the problem(s) or replace the scheduler with an external solution. I've only had a brief look but it appears like quartz is pretty extensible and would allow us to continue to support things like temporal expressions (and the deprecated recurrence infos) and could probably increase the number of scheduling features available to OFBiz. It's ASL2 licensed and seems to be pretty mature. Does anyone have any experience with quartz to share? Opinions or other possible alternatives would be most welcome. I'm not looking to implement anything anytime soon but figured we may as well start discussing it. Thanks Scott HotWax Media http://www.hotwaxmedia.com
Re: Groupby in list form
hi Bruno, Thanks. I have created a new issue ( https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-3981) in JIRA for such feature request. -- Regards, Michael Xu (xudong) www.wizitsoft.com | Office: (8610) 6267 0615 ext 806 | Mobile: (86) 135 0135 9807 | Fax: (8610) 62670096 On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 1:08 PM, Bruno Busco bruno.bu...@gmail.com wrote: Yes Michael, the goal is to replace all js libraries with jquery only. A form columns hide/show/resize feature would be very interesting IMO. It is something I have on my list also so I will try to look and follow any contribution you could do on the topic. -Bruno 2010/10/7 Michael Xu (xudong) dong...@wizitsoft.com Great to hear that and will try to contribute. Does that mean in the future ofbiz will replace other JS libraries using jquery? -- Regards, Michael Xu (xudong) On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 12:19 PM, Hans Bakker mailingl...@antwebsystems.comwrote: Look at the Jquery branch were Sacha and Jacques are working on i hear them say, that will me merged back into the trunk before the end of the year. If you want, you can then use jquery to enhance the grouping feature in the forms... Regards, Hans On Thu, 2010-10-07 at 12:15 +0800, Michael Xu (xudong) wrote: hi Hans, Thanks. Got that and will look into the form. However, from end user perspective, the groupby feature shown in the URL provided by you is not that user friendly. Now users are spoiled by those mature and fancy js libraries, like extjs, smartclient, etc. (Actually, those js frameworks do a great job.) So at this moment, I am still preferring to integrate such js libraries with ofbiz form. Any advice? -- Regards, Michael Xu (xudong) On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 11:58 AM, Hans Bakker mailingl...@antwebsystems.comwrote: https://demo-trunk.ofbiz.apache.org:8443/projectmgr/control/projectBilling?projectId=9000 grouped by phase and task Ofbiz on twitter: http://twitter.com/apache_ofbiz Myself on twitter: http://twitter.com/hansbak http://www.antwebsystems.com: Quality services for competitive rates. On Thu, 2010-10-07 at 11:46 +0800, Michael Xu (xudong) wrote: hi Hans, Thanks. But I cannot find such feature in project - billing. Could you provide more detail? Or just point out the screen name. Really appreciate that. And two more questions: 1) Is show/hide columns feature also there? 2) Is it feasible to use extjs or any other javascript to replace current form rendering but keep interface same? -- Regards, Michael Xu (xudong) On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 7:24 PM, Hans Bakker mailingl...@antwebsystems.comwrote: check the billing function on a project in special purpose -- Ofbiz on twitter: http://twitter.com/apache_ofbiz Myself on twitter: http://twitter.com/hansbak Antwebsystems.com: Quality services for competitive rates. On Wed, 2010-10-06 at 19:12 +0800, Michael Xu (xudong) wrote: hi all, I want to implement a groupby feature in list form. Basically, with this feature user can group results by any field. Ofbiz has such features already or have to customize the current list form? If have to customize, how to do it? Is it possible to integrate ext-js or any other existing mature javascript library for form list? Thanks in advance for any advice. (BTW: if list form has some more features, like export, show/hide columns, that would be even greater.) -- Regards, Michael Xu (xudong) -- Ofbiz on twitter: http://twitter.com/apache_ofbiz Myself on twitter: http://twitter.com/hansbak Antwebsystems.com: Quality services for competitive rates.
Groupby in list form
hi all, I want to implement a groupby feature in list form. Basically, with this feature user can group results by any field. Ofbiz has such features already or have to customize the current list form? If have to customize, how to do it? Is it possible to integrate ext-js or any other existing mature javascript library for form list? Thanks in advance for any advice. (BTW: if list form has some more features, like export, show/hide columns, that would be even greater.) -- Regards, Michael Xu (xudong)
Re: Groupby in list form
hi Hans, Thanks. But I cannot find such feature in project - billing. Could you provide more detail? Or just point out the screen name. Really appreciate that. And two more questions: 1) Is show/hide columns feature also there? 2) Is it feasible to use extjs or any other javascript to replace current form rendering but keep interface same? -- Regards, Michael Xu (xudong) On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 7:24 PM, Hans Bakker mailingl...@antwebsystems.comwrote: check the billing function on a project in special purpose -- Ofbiz on twitter: http://twitter.com/apache_ofbiz Myself on twitter: http://twitter.com/hansbak Antwebsystems.com: Quality services for competitive rates. On Wed, 2010-10-06 at 19:12 +0800, Michael Xu (xudong) wrote: hi all, I want to implement a groupby feature in list form. Basically, with this feature user can group results by any field. Ofbiz has such features already or have to customize the current list form? If have to customize, how to do it? Is it possible to integrate ext-js or any other existing mature javascript library for form list? Thanks in advance for any advice. (BTW: if list form has some more features, like export, show/hide columns, that would be even greater.) -- Regards, Michael Xu (xudong)
Re: Groupby in list form
hi Hans, Thanks. Got that and will look into the form. However, from end user perspective, the groupby feature shown in the URL provided by you is not that user friendly. Now users are spoiled by those mature and fancy js libraries, like extjs, smartclient, etc. (Actually, those js frameworks do a great job.) So at this moment, I am still preferring to integrate such js libraries with ofbiz form. Any advice? -- Regards, Michael Xu (xudong) On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 11:58 AM, Hans Bakker mailingl...@antwebsystems.comwrote: https://demo-trunk.ofbiz.apache.org:8443/projectmgr/control/projectBilling?projectId=9000 grouped by phase and task Ofbiz on twitter: http://twitter.com/apache_ofbiz Myself on twitter: http://twitter.com/hansbak http://www.antwebsystems.com: Quality services for competitive rates. On Thu, 2010-10-07 at 11:46 +0800, Michael Xu (xudong) wrote: hi Hans, Thanks. But I cannot find such feature in project - billing. Could you provide more detail? Or just point out the screen name. Really appreciate that. And two more questions: 1) Is show/hide columns feature also there? 2) Is it feasible to use extjs or any other javascript to replace current form rendering but keep interface same? -- Regards, Michael Xu (xudong) On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 7:24 PM, Hans Bakker mailingl...@antwebsystems.comwrote: check the billing function on a project in special purpose -- Ofbiz on twitter: http://twitter.com/apache_ofbiz Myself on twitter: http://twitter.com/hansbak Antwebsystems.com: Quality services for competitive rates. On Wed, 2010-10-06 at 19:12 +0800, Michael Xu (xudong) wrote: hi all, I want to implement a groupby feature in list form. Basically, with this feature user can group results by any field. Ofbiz has such features already or have to customize the current list form? If have to customize, how to do it? Is it possible to integrate ext-js or any other existing mature javascript library for form list? Thanks in advance for any advice. (BTW: if list form has some more features, like export, show/hide columns, that would be even greater.) -- Regards, Michael Xu (xudong)
Re: Groupby in list form
Great to hear that and will try to contribute. Does that mean in the future ofbiz will replace other JS libraries using jquery? -- Regards, Michael Xu (xudong) On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 12:19 PM, Hans Bakker mailingl...@antwebsystems.comwrote: Look at the Jquery branch were Sacha and Jacques are working on i hear them say, that will me merged back into the trunk before the end of the year. If you want, you can then use jquery to enhance the grouping feature in the forms... Regards, Hans On Thu, 2010-10-07 at 12:15 +0800, Michael Xu (xudong) wrote: hi Hans, Thanks. Got that and will look into the form. However, from end user perspective, the groupby feature shown in the URL provided by you is not that user friendly. Now users are spoiled by those mature and fancy js libraries, like extjs, smartclient, etc. (Actually, those js frameworks do a great job.) So at this moment, I am still preferring to integrate such js libraries with ofbiz form. Any advice? -- Regards, Michael Xu (xudong) On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 11:58 AM, Hans Bakker mailingl...@antwebsystems.comwrote: https://demo-trunk.ofbiz.apache.org:8443/projectmgr/control/projectBilling?projectId=9000 grouped by phase and task Ofbiz on twitter: http://twitter.com/apache_ofbiz Myself on twitter: http://twitter.com/hansbak http://www.antwebsystems.com: Quality services for competitive rates. On Thu, 2010-10-07 at 11:46 +0800, Michael Xu (xudong) wrote: hi Hans, Thanks. But I cannot find such feature in project - billing. Could you provide more detail? Or just point out the screen name. Really appreciate that. And two more questions: 1) Is show/hide columns feature also there? 2) Is it feasible to use extjs or any other javascript to replace current form rendering but keep interface same? -- Regards, Michael Xu (xudong) On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 7:24 PM, Hans Bakker mailingl...@antwebsystems.comwrote: check the billing function on a project in special purpose -- Ofbiz on twitter: http://twitter.com/apache_ofbiz Myself on twitter: http://twitter.com/hansbak Antwebsystems.com: Quality services for competitive rates. On Wed, 2010-10-06 at 19:12 +0800, Michael Xu (xudong) wrote: hi all, I want to implement a groupby feature in list form. Basically, with this feature user can group results by any field. Ofbiz has such features already or have to customize the current list form? If have to customize, how to do it? Is it possible to integrate ext-js or any other existing mature javascript library for form list? Thanks in advance for any advice. (BTW: if list form has some more features, like export, show/hide columns, that would be even greater.) -- Regards, Michael Xu (xudong) -- Ofbiz on twitter: http://twitter.com/apache_ofbiz Myself on twitter: http://twitter.com/hansbak Antwebsystems.com: Quality services for competitive rates.
about new theme
hi all, We are going to implement a new theme, starting from an existing one. Which one is the best (or most active now)? Really appreciate for any advice. -- Regards, Michael Xu (xudong)
Re: about new theme
hmmBut we still need to pick up one at first and then maybe merge some special features from other themes. So my question here basically is which existing theme is the best one. -- Regards, Michael Xu (xudong) www.wizitsoft.com | Office: (8610) 6267 0615 ext 806 | Mobile: (86) 135 0135 9807 | Fax: (8610) 62670096 On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 5:17 PM, BJ Freeman bjf...@free-man.net wrote: I suggest you review each and include those parts you find valuable. Michael Xu (xudong) sent the following on 9/25/2010 12:59 AM: hi all, We are going to implement a new theme, starting from an existing one. Which one is the best (or most active now)? Really appreciate for any advice. -- Regards, Michael Xu (xudong)
Re: Hippo CMS
Cool. One quick question: if we wanna adopt a CMS on top of jackrabbit, which one you think is the best for this branch? I think we have select one, then people can focus on that to verify the whole idea. But of course, we can make it flexible enough to adopt other CMS in the future. -- Regards, Michael Xu (xudong) On Sat, Jul 10, 2010 at 4:23 PM, Scott Gray scott.g...@hotwaxmedia.comwrote: Branch is created and can be checked out from here: https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/ofbiz/branches/jackrabbit20100709 I've committed a quick and dirty container for an embedded jackrabbit repo so that we can go about accessing it straight away but much still needs to be done at a low level. Regards Scott On 9/07/2010, at 7:06 PM, Sascha Rodekamp wrote: Jep Scott after you created the branch we maybe can split the tasks and plan the next steps. 2010/7/8 Scott Gray scott.g...@hotwaxmedia.com Okay well cool, I'll go ahead and create a branch at some point, I know Sascha has expressed interest as well so we may as well get the ball rolling. Regards Scott On 8/07/2010, at 11:54 PM, Adrian Crum wrote: My spare time is very limited too, but I would be willing to help. -Adrian --- On Thu, 7/8/10, Scott Gray scott.g...@hotwaxmedia.com wrote: From: Scott Gray scott.g...@hotwaxmedia.com Subject: Re: Hippo CMS To: dev@ofbiz.apache.org Date: Thursday, July 8, 2010, 12:04 AM Hi Michael, Personally, I wouldn't do anymore than the most basic CMS work with the existing OFBiz component, but maybe I'm biased because I want to see it replaced :-) In regards to working together, my spare time is pretty limited so I doubt that I'll be working very fast and probably nowhere near fast enough for your needs. If people are interested in helping out with my POC then we can always consider creating a jackrabbit branch in the OFBiz repo that people can use to collaborate. The main reason I'm looking at a direct Jackrabbit integration is simply for learning purposes and to get a better understanding of what the best long term approach will be, there is every chance that it would never get merged back into the trunk if we later decide to take a different route. Regards Scott On 8/07/2010, at 6:07 PM, Michael Xu (xudong) wrote: hi Scott, Thanks. We are customizing ofbiz for a customer here in China. Party, Order, Agreement, AP/AR, Birt, Catalog are in the current scope and we feel very comfortable with the flexibility offered by ofbiz. Now customer needs CMS. However, current CMS component is not that ready in ofbiz. We are evaluating which way to go: 1) enhance current ofbiz CMS component 2) embed a 3-party CMS as a component 3) integrate with a standalone 3-party CMS Option 1 seems very risky, as we have to re-invent the CMS wheel; Option 3 seems also very risky, as there are many integration points, like user/permission, etc. Now I tend to using option 2 just like what you are doing. Maybe we can work together on this. -- Regards, Michael Xu (xudong) On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 1:52 PM, Scott Gray scott.g...@hotwaxmedia.com wrote: Hi Michael, The idea was to add hippo as a component and use their webapp as an interim CMS while we build out similar functionality in OFBiz. OFBiz would use the JCR API to interact with the underlying repository. In terms of progress... none. In my spare time I'll be playing around with a jackrabbit integration for OFBiz and reading all the articles I can find. I feel like I need to better understand the JCR and content models in general before doing anything concrete. Regards Scott On 8/07/2010, at 5:27 PM, Michael Xu (xudong) wrote: Integrating here means to put Hippo as a ofbiz component or let it as a standalone application but integrating over data/service layer? -- Regards, Michael Xu (xudong) www.wizitsoft.com | Office: (8610) 6267 0615 ext 806 | Mobile: (86) 135 0135 9807 | Fax: (8610) 62670096 On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 12:27 PM, Brett Palmer brettgpal...@gmail.com wrote: Scott, I like the idea of integrating with existing CMS applications. When we are talking about hippo what of their various products are we considering here: Hippo CMS7 Hippo Repository 2 Hippo Site Toolkit 2 or Hippo Portal 2.0 from www.onehippo.org Brett On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 7:57 PM, Scott Gray scott.g...@hotwaxmedia.com wrote: Anybody using or considered using Hippo CMS (onehippo.org) in conjunction with OFBiz? - Apache Licensed - Uses Jackrabbit as its repository - Supports Versioning, Internationalization, Publishing Workflows and more We could start out by using Hippo's UI to manage content and retrieve it for display within OFBiz using the JCR API. As the various document types needed
Re: Hippo CMS
hi Scott, Thanks. We are customizing ofbiz for a customer here in China. Party, Order, Agreement, AP/AR, Birt, Catalog are in the current scope and we feel very comfortable with the flexibility offered by ofbiz. Now customer needs CMS. However, current CMS component is not that ready in ofbiz. We are evaluating which way to go: 1) enhance current ofbiz CMS component 2) embed a 3-party CMS as a component 3) integrate with a standalone 3-party CMS Option 1 seems very risky, as we have to re-invent the CMS wheel; Option 3 seems also very risky, as there are many integration points, like user/permission, etc. Now I tend to using option 2 just like what you are doing. Maybe we can work together on this. -- Regards, Michael Xu (xudong) On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 1:52 PM, Scott Gray scott.g...@hotwaxmedia.comwrote: Hi Michael, The idea was to add hippo as a component and use their webapp as an interim CMS while we build out similar functionality in OFBiz. OFBiz would use the JCR API to interact with the underlying repository. In terms of progress... none. In my spare time I'll be playing around with a jackrabbit integration for OFBiz and reading all the articles I can find. I feel like I need to better understand the JCR and content models in general before doing anything concrete. Regards Scott On 8/07/2010, at 5:27 PM, Michael Xu (xudong) wrote: Integrating here means to put Hippo as a ofbiz component or let it as a standalone application but integrating over data/service layer? -- Regards, Michael Xu (xudong) www.wizitsoft.com | Office: (8610) 6267 0615 ext 806 | Mobile: (86) 135 0135 9807 | Fax: (8610) 62670096 On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 12:27 PM, Brett Palmer brettgpal...@gmail.com wrote: Scott, I like the idea of integrating with existing CMS applications. When we are talking about hippo what of their various products are we considering here: Hippo CMS7 Hippo Repository 2 Hippo Site Toolkit 2 or Hippo Portal 2.0 from www.onehippo.org Brett On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 7:57 PM, Scott Gray scott.g...@hotwaxmedia.com wrote: Anybody using or considered using Hippo CMS (onehippo.org) in conjunction with OFBiz? - Apache Licensed - Uses Jackrabbit as its repository - Supports Versioning, Internationalization, Publishing Workflows and more We could start out by using Hippo's UI to manage content and retrieve it for display within OFBiz using the JCR API. As the various document types needed by the OFBiz base applications begin to take shape we could look at ways to allow the content to be modified directly from within OFBiz (once again using the JCR API). Any thoughts, alternatives, ideas or whatever would be appreciated. I'm considering working on a POC in my spare time, not sure how long that might take at this stage. I already have a copy of Hippo running inside OFBiz but that was just a matter of expanding their WAR distribution and wrapping it in a component, next step would be gaining access to the repo from OFBiz code. Thanks Scott HotWax Media http://www.hotwaxmedia.com
Re: Hippo CMS
hi Scott, Ok, no problem. Will discuss further internally first and then decide where to go ... -- Regards, Michael Xu (xudong) On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 3:04 PM, Scott Gray scott.g...@hotwaxmedia.comwrote: Hi Michael, Personally, I wouldn't do anymore than the most basic CMS work with the existing OFBiz component, but maybe I'm biased because I want to see it replaced :-) In regards to working together, my spare time is pretty limited so I doubt that I'll be working very fast and probably nowhere near fast enough for your needs. If people are interested in helping out with my POC then we can always consider creating a jackrabbit branch in the OFBiz repo that people can use to collaborate. The main reason I'm looking at a direct Jackrabbit integration is simply for learning purposes and to get a better understanding of what the best long term approach will be, there is every chance that it would never get merged back into the trunk if we later decide to take a different route. Regards Scott On 8/07/2010, at 6:07 PM, Michael Xu (xudong) wrote: hi Scott, Thanks. We are customizing ofbiz for a customer here in China. Party, Order, Agreement, AP/AR, Birt, Catalog are in the current scope and we feel very comfortable with the flexibility offered by ofbiz. Now customer needs CMS. However, current CMS component is not that ready in ofbiz. We are evaluating which way to go: 1) enhance current ofbiz CMS component 2) embed a 3-party CMS as a component 3) integrate with a standalone 3-party CMS Option 1 seems very risky, as we have to re-invent the CMS wheel; Option 3 seems also very risky, as there are many integration points, like user/permission, etc. Now I tend to using option 2 just like what you are doing. Maybe we can work together on this. -- Regards, Michael Xu (xudong) On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 1:52 PM, Scott Gray scott.g...@hotwaxmedia.com wrote: Hi Michael, The idea was to add hippo as a component and use their webapp as an interim CMS while we build out similar functionality in OFBiz. OFBiz would use the JCR API to interact with the underlying repository. In terms of progress... none. In my spare time I'll be playing around with a jackrabbit integration for OFBiz and reading all the articles I can find. I feel like I need to better understand the JCR and content models in general before doing anything concrete. Regards Scott On 8/07/2010, at 5:27 PM, Michael Xu (xudong) wrote: Integrating here means to put Hippo as a ofbiz component or let it as a standalone application but integrating over data/service layer? -- Regards, Michael Xu (xudong) www.wizitsoft.com | Office: (8610) 6267 0615 ext 806 | Mobile: (86) 135 0135 9807 | Fax: (8610) 62670096 On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 12:27 PM, Brett Palmer brettgpal...@gmail.com wrote: Scott, I like the idea of integrating with existing CMS applications. When we are talking about hippo what of their various products are we considering here: Hippo CMS7 Hippo Repository 2 Hippo Site Toolkit 2 or Hippo Portal 2.0 from www.onehippo.org Brett On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 7:57 PM, Scott Gray scott.g...@hotwaxmedia.com wrote: Anybody using or considered using Hippo CMS (onehippo.org) in conjunction with OFBiz? - Apache Licensed - Uses Jackrabbit as its repository - Supports Versioning, Internationalization, Publishing Workflows and more We could start out by using Hippo's UI to manage content and retrieve it for display within OFBiz using the JCR API. As the various document types needed by the OFBiz base applications begin to take shape we could look at ways to allow the content to be modified directly from within OFBiz (once again using the JCR API). Any thoughts, alternatives, ideas or whatever would be appreciated. I'm considering working on a POC in my spare time, not sure how long that might take at this stage. I already have a copy of Hippo running inside OFBiz but that was just a matter of expanding their WAR distribution and wrapping it in a component, next step would be gaining access to the repo from OFBiz code. Thanks Scott HotWax Media http://www.hotwaxmedia.com
Re: Hippo CMS
Any progress now? -- Regards, Michael Xu (xudong) On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 3:59 PM, Scott Gray scott.g...@hotwaxmedia.comwrote: That makes far too much sense Adrian. I'm AFK for the next few days so I'll do it next week unless someone else wants to sooner. Regards Scott On 24/06/2010, at 5:38 PM, Adrian Crum adrian.c...@yahoo.com wrote: It might be worthwhile to post a message on the Jackrabbit user mailing list. Let them know what we have in mind, and see if they have any suggestions. Previous experience has shown that Apache sister projects are very helpful in integration efforts. -Adrian --- On Wed, 6/23/10, Sascha Rodekamp sascha.rodekamp.lynx.de@ googlemail.com wrote: From: Sascha Rodekamp sascha.rodekamp.lynx...@googlemail.com Subject: Re: Hippo CMS To: dev@ofbiz.apache.org Date: Wednesday, June 23, 2010, 2:04 AM Hi Scott, jep that's sounds like a plan. In my opinion concentrating on Jackrabbit will be the best point to start. We should make some Jira Tasks and schedule them that we can start implementing ASAP :-). Did we need a separate Brunch? Cheers Sascha 2010/6/23 Scott Gray scott.g...@hotwaxmedia.com Hi Sascha, Any help would of course be very much appreciated. I think regardless of what approach we take, everyone is mostly in agreement that we will be integrating with Jackrabbit or more importantly we will be making use of the JCR interface (in theory the actual JCR implementation should be irrelevant). One thing I'm fairly sure we will need is a JAAS authentication module (and probably authorization) that we can plug in to the jackrabbit repository so that it can authenticate users via OFBiz. That should be fairly straightforward I think, I'm less certain about what an authorization mechanism would look like. I guess we're also going to need to some sort of session provider interface that allows OFBiz to retrieve sessions from either an embedded repo or remote server repo and once again, it needs to be able to work with any JCR implementation. I'm not entirely sure what that would look like at this stage but any thoughts on the topic would be useful. Most of the other questions come back to the content model and who controls it, will it be OFBiz or a random CMS or perhaps they will have separate models with some sort of jackrabbit internal synchronization between the two? We need to look at these options and understand the pros and cons of each before we can move forward with any sort of certainty. Regards Scott On 22/06/2010, at 6:26 PM, Sascha Rodekamp wrote: +1 i like the idea integrating a full featured CMS in ofbiz, a few weeks ago we started working with JCR but i think the Hippo way is a good one too :-) So Scott i would volunteer to help you :-) ... Have a good day Sascha 2010/6/19 Scott Gray scott.g...@hotwaxmedia.com Anybody using or considered using Hippo CMS (onehippo.org) in conjunction with OFBiz? - Apache Licensed - Uses Jackrabbit as its repository - Supports Versioning, Internationalization, Publishing Workflows and more We could start out by using Hippo's UI to manage content and retrieve it for display within OFBiz using the JCR API. As the various document types needed by the OFBiz base applications begin to take shape we could look at ways to allow the content to be modified directly from within OFBiz (once again using the JCR API). Any thoughts, alternatives, ideas or whatever would be appreciated. I'm considering working on a POC in my spare time, not sure how long that might take at this stage. I already have a copy of Hippo running inside OFBiz but that was just a matter of expanding their WAR distribution and wrapping it in a component, next step would be gaining access to the repo from OFBiz code. Thanks Scott HotWax Media http://www.hotwaxmedia.com -- Sascha Rodekamp Lynx-Consulting GmbH Johanniskirchplatz 6 D-33615 Bielefeld http://www.lynx.de -- Sascha Rodekamp Lynx-Consulting GmbH Johanniskirchplatz 6 D-33615 Bielefeld http://www.lynx.de
Re: Hippo CMS
Integrating here means to put Hippo as a ofbiz component or let it as a standalone application but integrating over data/service layer? -- Regards, Michael Xu (xudong) www.wizitsoft.com | Office: (8610) 6267 0615 ext 806 | Mobile: (86) 135 0135 9807 | Fax: (8610) 62670096 On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 12:27 PM, Brett Palmer brettgpal...@gmail.comwrote: Scott, I like the idea of integrating with existing CMS applications. When we are talking about hippo what of their various products are we considering here: Hippo CMS7 Hippo Repository 2 Hippo Site Toolkit 2 or Hippo Portal 2.0 from www.onehippo.org Brett On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 7:57 PM, Scott Gray scott.g...@hotwaxmedia.com wrote: Anybody using or considered using Hippo CMS (onehippo.org) in conjunction with OFBiz? - Apache Licensed - Uses Jackrabbit as its repository - Supports Versioning, Internationalization, Publishing Workflows and more We could start out by using Hippo's UI to manage content and retrieve it for display within OFBiz using the JCR API. As the various document types needed by the OFBiz base applications begin to take shape we could look at ways to allow the content to be modified directly from within OFBiz (once again using the JCR API). Any thoughts, alternatives, ideas or whatever would be appreciated. I'm considering working on a POC in my spare time, not sure how long that might take at this stage. I already have a copy of Hippo running inside OFBiz but that was just a matter of expanding their WAR distribution and wrapping it in a component, next step would be gaining access to the repo from OFBiz code. Thanks Scott HotWax Media http://www.hotwaxmedia.com
Entity modification without restarting
hi all, Now we are investigating the possibility to extend entity metadata without restarting ofbiz, which I think make ofbiz more powerful as SaaS platform. I am not that technical. But my idea is that: - have an entity metadata customization admin page to allow user add, remove fields (but yes, have to have some policy here) - ofbiz can persist such customization back to entity definition file - ofbiz can automatically adjust database schema Not sure whether it is feasible. But if yes, then that would greatly reduce the TCO, as business user can do minor customization. Anyway, if we can improve metadata from just database definition up to more business logic and UI, then that would be even greater. -- Regards, Michael Xu (xudong) www.wizitsoft.com | Office: (8610) 6267 0615 ext 806 | Mobile: (86) 135 0135 9807 | Fax: (8610) 62670096
Re: UtilCache bugs and coverage
hi Adam, Thanks for your work. Cache layer is critical for ofbiz as ERP system. Just one quick question: There are a lot of cache frameworks (Personally I like Apache JCS very much) out there. Why ofbiz has to have its own implement? In my opinion, we have two ways to reduce bugs. Write more test codes, or write less product codes. Maybe we can replace ofbiz components with some existing components (say cache) or separate ofbiz components as sub projects or just totally new project to attract more projects to use (say, entity engine). -- Regards, Michael Xu (xudong) On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 11:47 PM, Adam Heath doo...@brainfood.com wrote: So, for the past week, I've been working on automated test cases for UtilCache. I can say that I've got the hardest parts done, namely, ttl and ref based testing. While writing the test cases, I discovered several bugs. One of the biggies was very bad LRU handling. This required some major rewriting, so that ttl and ref clearing is no longer polled. There are background threads that magically remove items as soon as they are available for clearing. This can actually reduce memory, because now as soon as tll or ref fires, the item gets removed from the cache, instead of waiting until some time later when a get is called. Additionally, CacheLineTable is no longer around, I've merged it into UtilCache directly. I consider any of the CacheLine classes to be completely internal, and should not be used outside of UtilCache. Since expiration and invalidation are no longer a polled system, those methods actually no longer exist. So any such methods that were involved with CacheLine management I am planning on removing. Below are the list of bugs that I have completely identified, and fixed. There may be more, and my explanation may not be entirely accurate. I should have this ready to be committed by the end of the week. Afterwords, I'll finally start writing docs on all the git/testing stuff I've been talking about. == * BUG: LRU out of order * BUG: containsKey() calls get(), which records an access * BUG: clear() notes removal before calling clear, and calls get, which records an access in LRU mode. * BUG: With a positive expireTime, setting to any other positive value has no effect. * BUG: when an item was expired due to a ttl, or invalidated when a soft ref was cleared, the disk store would have the item removed as well. So the disk store actually gave no benefit whatsoever. * BUG: CacheLineTable stored CacheLine instances in the file store, and didn't handle changing them to the proper reference when reading from disk, if the reference type had been changed. If the ref type was changed, then the disk-based ref type would be changed, but just doing a fetch from disk wouldn't handle the ref type change. It is possible that upon reading the serialized CacheLine from disk, that a soft ref would be immediately cleared. * BUG: CacheLineTable synchronized on (this) when creating the static, shared jdbmMgr; never noticed in production, as ofbiz startup is single threaded. * BUG: CacheLineTable created a global jdbmMgr, using the per-cache fileSystemStore location. * BUG: Using a fileStore without SoftReference makes no sense. All objects might have a ttl attached, which caused memory and disk access for put/remove, or, without a cache, the memory store would always be the same as the disk store. * BUG: CacheLineTable.remove called fileTable.remove, but didn't call jdbmMgr.commit(). * BUG: getCacheLineKeys(), and other collection based meta-methods, didn't handle invalidation or expiration. * FEATURE: CacheLineTable didn't add fetched values from disk into memory, to take advantage of LRU and soft ref processing.
Re: Ofbiz project management for the Ofbiz project
+1 -- Regards, Michael Xu (xudong) www.wizitsoft.com | Office: (8610) 6267 0615 ext 806 | Mobile: (86) 135 0135 9807 | Fax: (8610) 62670096 On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 3:05 AM, BJ Freeman bjf...@free-man.net wrote: Ofbiz has project management. I would like to propose that we maintain an instance where the DB is not updated and projects can be done. We can have a project for each folder under Ofbiz. I would be glad to provide that data to initialize this. People can add themselves as parties, for fun they can even add their rates so there can be a approximation of the type of man power and cost this type of projects would cost if not open source. The main thrust behind this is to get some organization about what is being or going to be done to Ofbiz and who is going to volunteer to work on portions. It would give an Idea when certain portions will be done, or show where more man power is needed for those that want to volunteer. This is totally a voluntary process but as people warm up to it, I believe it would have many advantages was well as demonstrating the operability of Ofbiz to do project management. Maybe other will keep their own project management in a local copy then import their project into Ofbiz that is maintained at apache. As a long range goal would like to see Jira and commits tied into the project management Thinks it would be a fantastic tool. = BJ Freeman http://bjfreeman.elance.com Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=93 Specialtymarket.com http://www.specialtymarket.com/ Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man Linkedin http://www.linkedin.com/profile?viewProfile=key=1237480locale=en_UStrk=tab_pro
Re: Conditional seed data loading
Maybe we can take a look at mashup, which is not that heavy as portlets. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mashup_(web_application_hybrid) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mashup_(web_application_hybrid) -- Regards, Michael Xu (xudong) www.wizitsoft.com | Office: (8610) 6267 0615 ext 806 | Mobile: (86) 135 0135 9807 | Fax: (8610) 62670096 On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 2:37 AM, Jacques Le Roux jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com wrote: Actually we would just have to change the name at the surface, from a marketing POV if you prefer. No need to change underneath. But sincerely I have not much time for that... Where is it used in documentation which could induce new users in error? Jacques From: Ruth Hoffman rhoff...@aesolves.com Hi Jacques: IMO, it is a big deal. When someone is looking at OFBiz for an enterprise solution and the competition is Jetspeed, Liferay, Websphere etc., we should be clear that when the OFBiz project says Portal it does not mean what everyone else thinks it means. It is misleading. Just to be clear: I don't think OFBiz needs a JSR compliant portal server. In my experience, portal servers are bloated and overrated and have limited use. Maybe we could take a little survey - do some marketing - and come up with another label for these features/functions? Just a thought. Ruth Jacques Le Roux wrote: From: David E Jones d...@me.com Bring confusion in the future? That's like saying you shouldn't use the term object-relational mapping unless you're talking about JPA. Just like object-relational mapping is a general term with many variations and implementations, and supporting the JPA interfaces is simply a feature of some of those implementations, portal and portlet are also general terms with many variations and implementations, and only some of them support the JSR 168 specification. Should we then say that portal/portlet software not written in Java should not use those terms? If so, which terms should those unfortunate souls use to describe their creations? OFBiz-portlets and OFBiz-portal ? Not a big deal anyway, just that some people think they will be able to embed some external portlets in OFBiz and are dissapointed. Jacques -David On Dec 31, 2009, at 8:48 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: I agree with Ruth, this will (and has already) certainly bring some confusion in future. Jacques From: Ruth Hoffman rhoff...@aesolves.com Hi David: IMO the term portlet should only be applied to JSR 168/268 compliant code. Regards, Ruth David E Jones wrote: MyPortal still needs a lot of work. It should really be just the shell of the portal and include only a very few portlets that are part of the framework. Higher level components, including applications components, can have their own portlets that appear in MyPortal by having data in seed/etc data files, and that data will tell MyPortal about these portlets. OOTB the MyPortal stuff shouldn't know anything about any portlets (other than a few basic framework ones). At runtime MyPortal will look for information about other portlets, but that information should come only from the higher level components where the portlets themselves live. -David On Dec 31, 2009, at 4:50 AM, Bruno Busco wrote: That's true, it would be still a dependence. Anyway, in this case the MyPortal is considered to be dependent from all other components (because it mounts portlets defined by all other components in the default portalPages). It should be possible to use the MyPortal component even if one of the other components is not used. I think a different logic is needed here. -Bruno 2009/12/31 David E Jones d...@me.com: That still represents a dependency on the other component. Lower level components should not even have anything that represents an awareness of a higher level component. The solution, and the only solution, is to move the data to the higher level components. It's that simple. -David On Dec 30, 2009, at 5:54 PM, Bruno Busco wrote: Hi, the MyPortal component has many seed data that create a dependence from many other components. This is done because the seed data create the default MyPortal portalPages that include several portlets from all other components. For example: PortalPagePortlet portalPageId=MYPORTAL_EMPLOYEE portalPortletId=SystemInfoNotes portletSeqId=1 columnSeqId=1 sequenceNum=0/ PortalPagePortlet portalPageId=MYPORTAL_EMPLOYEE portalPortletId=SystemInfoStatus portletSeqId=1 columnSeqId=1 sequenceNum=1/ PortalPagePortlet portalPageId=MYPORTAL_EMPLOYEE portalPortletId=Calendar portletSeqId=1 columnSeqId=1 sequenceNum=2/ PortalPagePortlet portalPageId=MYPORTAL_EMPLOYEE0 portalPortletId=INCOM_CUST_REQUESTS portletSeqId=1 columnSeqId=1 sequenceNum=0/ PortalPagePortlet portalPageId=MYPORTAL_EMPLOYEE0 portalPortletId=MyCommunications portletSeqId=1 columnSeqId=1 sequenceNum=1
Re: getNextSeqId and multiple sequence on entity
Another option is that we can make the logic configurable. Define a unique interface and provide 2 standard implementations (one is for single mode and the other is for cluster mode). User can choose one or implement a new one. -- Regards, Michael Xu (xudong) www.wizitsoft.com | Office: (8610) 6267 0615 ext 806 | Mobile: (86) 135 0135 9807 | Fax: (8610) 62670096 On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 11:52 PM, Nicolas Malin malin.nico...@librenberry.net wrote: After some reflection on this subject, I arrive to : getNextSeqId is use normaly to get an single id that identify an entity : Invoice.invoiceId, Order.orderId, Party.partyId etc ... It's easier to remove the problematic instruction but bypasses getNextSeqId purpose. For multiple sequence on Entity I suggest to create new function on delegator : getNextSequence (String entityName, String diff, long staggerMax) that manage sequence as getNextSeqId but analyse just the validity of entityName and generate sequenceValueId : entityName.diff. As this, Delegator continue to work only on entity and not use for other not in relation with entitymodel. For sequence not in relation with entity, I can extend sequenceUtil to have a function SequenceUtil.getNextSequence(String key, long staggerMax). Brett can you give me an example for your proposal ? I don't really understand your improvement. If you wait to read, Have a nice end year ;) Nicolas Le mercredi 23 décembre 2009 à 13:49 -0700, Brett Palmer a écrit : I confirmed that if you use the delegator.getNextSeqId() you will get an exception every time it is used with a complaint that an entity doesn't exist for the sequence you requested. It does give still generate an ID but the exception is a little concerning when you are running in a production environment. This exception probably isn't intended but is a consequence of the call to look for the entity name. I would prefer we just outputted a warning log and not threw an exception. Another request for the sequence generator is the ability to specify the gap between the next sequence ID update. This can be configured in the entity engine but only for those IDs that have a corresponding entity. If you try to use a generic sequencer with no attached entity the default is 10 which can be low for a production environment with multiple servers. Could we add a column to the SequenceValueItem to include the next increment value? Brett Here is the stack trace: exception report -- Error getting entity definition from model Exception: org.ofbiz.entity.GenericModelException Message: Could not find definition for entity name DummySequence stack trace --- org.ofbiz.entity.GenericModelException: Could not find definition for entity name DummySequence org.ofbiz.entity.model.ModelReader.getModelEntity(ModelReader.java:451) org.ofbiz.entity.DelegatorImpl.getModelEntity(DelegatorImpl.java:1544) org.ofbiz.entity.DelegatorImpl.getNextSeqIdLong(DelegatorImpl.java:1693) org.ofbiz.entity.DelegatorImpl.getNextSeqId(DelegatorImpl.java:1655) org.ofbiz.entity.DelegatorImpl.getNextSeqId(DelegatorImpl.java:1651) com.automationgroups.pe.util.InventoryContainer.start(InventoryContainer.java:27) org.ofbiz.base.container.ContainerLoader.start(ContainerLoader.java:101) org.ofbiz.base.start.Start.startStartLoaders(Start.java:272) org.ofbiz.base.start.Start.startServer(Start.java:322) org.ofbiz.base.start.Start.start(Start.java:326) org.ofbiz.base.start.Start.main(Start.java:409) 2009-12-23 13:29:07,218 (main) [ SequenceUtil.java:236:WARN ] [SequenceUtil.SequenceBank.fillBank] first select failed: will try to add new row, result set was empty for sequence [DummySequence] Used SQL: SELECT SEQ_ID FROM SEQUENCE_VALUE_ITEM WHERE SEQ_NAME='DummySequence' Thread Name is: main:Thread[main,5,main] 2009-12-23 13:29:07,312 (main) [ SequenceUtil.java:341:INFO ] Got bank of sequenced IDs for [DummySequence]; curSeqId=1, maxSeqId=10010, bankSize=10 2009-12-23 13:29:07,312 (main) [ InventoryContainer.java:28 :INFO ] Here is the sample sequence Id: 1 2009-12-23 13:29:07,343 (main) [ GenericDispatcher.java:61 :INFO ] Creating new dispatcher [RMIDispatcher] (main) On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 12:54 PM, Scott Gray scott.g...@hotwaxmedia.com wrote: It looks to me as though an exception is being logged rather than thrown, is the id still being generated? Regards Scott HotWax Media http://www.hotwaxmedia.com On 24/12/2009, at 3:31 AM, Nicolas Malin wrote: Hi all, It's possible that this subject has been already discussed here but I don't find any trace in the archives. A long time
Re: Application framework technology set
It is really a good thread. Especially those questions from Anil Patel last year. But one year past, it seems ofbiz is still in the same place. Really look forward to more comments and actions. -- Regards, Michael Xu (xudong) www.wizitsoft.com | Office: (8610) 6267 0615 ext 806 | Mobile: (86) 135 0135 9807 | Fax: (8610) 62670096 On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 2:23 PM, Vasanth Kamatgi vast...@ecomzera.comwrote: I have been working on Ofbiz for the past 4 years and have got fairly good proficiency in all major areas of Ofbiz. One problem I have consistently faced with Ofbiz is its presentation layer. There isn’t a strict separation of UI / Code in the presentation layer. Due to this deficiency, for any revamp in the UI, even though there is no associated change in the functionality / business logic, it takes substantial amount of developer time. I see this as a major hindrance to a typical ecommerce website, where UI changes are frequent as well as significant. For this reason, I am looking for the possibility of replacing the presentation layer with a more modular framework with good separation of concerns of UI designer and developer. This is an excellent post that could have thrown more light on the issue of replacing certain elements of Ofbiz with more powerful alternatives. However I see that there haven’t been many conversations on this topic for a long time now. I would like to see more people participate. At this point, I am specifically looking at the possibility of replacing the Ofbiz presentation layer with Wicket. I wonder if anyone had tried it out. In addition to people who have done this experiment, I would like to hear from others, on the possible pros / cons of this approach. My objective is – How to make ecommerce module amenable to major UI changes (including swapping components from one page to another, splitting pages etc.) with least amount of developer involvement and UI designer controlling most of the activity. Thanks, Vasanth Andrew Zeneski-2 wrote: Anil, These are really great questions to ask, and I am excited to see this thread start. Let me be the first to say, I agree with you 100% that now is the time to plan for the future. When we started OFBiz in 2001, the tools available were less powerful and less appealing than the ones available today. If we were starting today I think a lot would be different. For example, I would probably vote for JPA over writing another persistence layer. I would vote for using Stripes, Wicket, or maybe JSF (but v2) for presentation. On the service layer, I would prefer to use an existing framework be it EJB (session beans) or some flavor of an ESB (maybe ServiceMix). In the end, focus 100% on the applications and let the other projects focus on each specific framework piece. Most of all, I would vote in favor standardized deployment. OFBiz is not SAP, we just don't have enough clout to dictate how the application should be deployed. People bend over backwards and design their entire infrastructure around SAP, we should do the opposite; allow OFBiz to adjust to a company's infrastructure (without headaches). The last thing I would do differently, if I could figure out a way how, is to decouple the applications. So that a CRM application does not require the overhead needed for Orders and Products. Then we have the next question, what types of applications should we focus now to be the leader in the next 5 years? Do with stick with ERP, or do we look to make some changes? But I think this should be a thread all in itself. Andrew On Oct 24, 2008, at 7:36 PM, Anil Patel wrote: Hi, I am having little difficulty to envision, What Ofbiz will look like a year or two down the road? I am personally satisfied with most of core technologies of ofbiz except for Form widget. Form widgets needs some enhancements and even those don't seem too difficult. Ofbiz framework technologies made development lot easy back in day when J2EE made things impossible. Now, 7 years down the road, Java enterprise application development tool set has changed a lot. What I am trying to get out of this thread is, What others in community think about it? At different times, people have asked for ability to deploy ofbiz on application servers other then Tomcat, and in JEE recommended style, like create war or ear. I am curious what did these people do? Did we loose those potential ofbiz users!, Or Did they accept whatever is available and used ofbiz to solve their business problems. There are some JEE spec compliant technologies that we can use instead of home grown like, use 1) Ice Faces (or Myfaces) instead of Form Widget 2) JPA instead of Entity engine 3) EJB instead of Service engine 4) Integrate with Pluto for Portal server 5) use third party Content management I think Ofbiz community is more interested
Re: Why ESME was: proposal: ESME
hi Hans, Some customers here are asking for this feature. So it is really great to see your proposal. Just one idea for your consideration: it would be great if ESME could happen in transaction level to support business collaboration. For example, buyer and supplier can communicate for a specific order, invoice or agreement by using ESME; project owner, approver, task owner can communicate for a specific task in ProjectMgr, etc. And all those messages then can be monitored or tracked. -- Regards, Michael Xu (xudong) www.wizitsoft.com | Office: (8610) 6267 0615 ext 806 | Mobile: (86) 135 0135 9807 | Fax: (8610) 62670096 On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 10:04 AM, Hans Bakker mailingl...@antwebsystems.com wrote: Some users are wondering if ESME is useful to add to OFBiz or not, therefore some promotion why I think it is interesting and yes I have business cases for it: 1. It started with a request of our customers to have a chat possibility in e-commerce for new users to ask questions via chat. I looked at 2 chat open source frameworks. Then ESME was proposed here in the mailing list. My opinion is that if ESME can do chat too, then better go for ESME so we have also twitter functions. (as Tim also stated) 2. ESME allows to use the twitter principle in a protected business environment: developers/marketeers exchanging ideas, announcing news and problems. (yes you should use OFBiz in your company to see these benefits) If you are still not convinced of twitter in a business environment: get a twitter account and follow me: @hansbak i will keep you informed about ESME within OFBiz and you will have the opportunity for point 3 as a bonus. 3. ESME was actually born in the SAP environment and many people from this environment now getting exposed to OFBiz because we are looking at ESME too and the ESME people retweet my ESME experiences to their network of twitter accounts. I was not convinced about this twitter stuff but using this for my ESME investigations has shown me that it is actually pretty exiting getting to know so much new people in such a short time. David thanks for the support because it looks like that the OFBiz community has a problem accepting new functions like this one, even if it does not affect their usage of OFBiz. So please people, not too conservative and always be open to new developments! Regards, Hans On Sat, 2009-12-12 at 16:30 +0700, Hans Bakker wrote: Proposal: We are looking to copy an ESME server within OFBiz as a component to allow for twitter like messaging within the OFBiz environment. users coming on the ecommerce site can 'twitter' a message which is monitored by the system admin, who can answer the questions. Logged in users can follow other registered users and can twitter what they are doing... more info at http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/ESME/Collaboration+with+OFbiz any thoughts? regards, Hans (@hansbak) -- Antwebsystems.com: Quality OFBiz services for competitive rates
Re: Birt licensing problems need help, I cannot solve, scott can you help.
hi Hans, In worst case, if the legal issue cannot be solved, what's the next step? Can you setup a new project in sourceforge specifically for Birt integration? It seems quite a lot of people are looking forward to the integration. BTW: Put the license issue aside, why you chose BIRT as report tool in ofbiz? Any reason for Birt over jasper report and pentao? -- Regards, Michael Xu (xudong) www.wizitsoft.com On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 5:01 PM, Hans Bakker mailingl...@antwebsystems.comwrote: So you are not willing to discuss this with the eclipse guys and help me solve a problem you came up with and seems to be blocking. This is how i solved the docbook license problem and got an approval from the owners because all this licence stuff is a pain in the butt not only for us but also for them. Apache OFBiz gets now so much weight that often they either change the license or give us a specific approval. Regards, Hans On Tue, 2009-12-01 at 21:42 +1300, Scott Gray wrote: You'll really need to direct this to the legal mailing list, I'm not a lawyer and I have no idea what sort of exception they would need to make and what form it would take. All of my opinions have been based on the assumption that we would change to fit the licenses and not the birt team change to suit us. Regards Scott On 1/12/2009, at 9:23 PM, Hans Bakker wrote: Scott, i am trying to solve it the other way around. If they give us the approval (= license) to include it in OFBiz, then we do not need an clarification of the EPL license terms inside apache. Also they seem not understand our problems, they state: let us know and we will keep trying to help you guys out. that means they have an interest to have birt runtime distributed by OFBiz. so if you can explain to them which problems we have then perhaps they will grant to license to us. Regards, Hans On Tue, 2009-12-01 at 20:56 +1300, Scott Gray wrote: Hi Hans, I can try to help but I'm not sure I understand, nothing is in question on the Eclipse side, birt is licensed EPL end of story, asking them to change their license would be like someone asking us to change ours. The issue we're facing is compatibility of the ASL with the EPL and we need to resolve it internally. The ASF rules as I understand them (described here: http://www.apache.org/legal/resolved.html#category-b) is that you cannot include EPL licensed source code in ASL licensed distributions, except for a very narrow range of exceptions. You can however include as many EPL licensed binaries as you like. Any java files that have been copied and modified from EPL source code (I pointed them out in another email, I don't have them handy) must be removed and replaced with new code without referencing EPL source code to create them (a clean-room implementation). It is also my opinion that we cannot include EPL licensed javascript files (although David disagrees), which means we need to remove the web report viewer. If you want to side with David and keep the report viewer then at the very least the question should be asked on the legal mailing list. Regards Scott HotWax Media http://www.hotwaxmedia.com On 1/12/2009, at 8:25 PM, Hans Bakker wrote: Hi Sott. can you help? You brought up the licensing concerns. We tried to talk to the licensing people at Eclipse and i am trying to solve a licensing problem as a middleman i do not understand. Could you please clarify with the people at lice...@eclipse.org and in particular mike.milinkov...@eclipse.org your concerns? I am unable to solve the problem you brought up. Regards,, Hans This is the last conversation we had up to now: We sent the following message: We would like to ask for approval of the inclusion of the BIRT runtime with Apache OFBiz because we have concerns in the ofbiz community of we can include the runtime. one of our committers found the following license problems: I checked out the branch and had a look, I see a large number of javascript and jsp source files that are EPL licensed and I'm pretty sure that we cannot include them. Additionally and this one is a little more obscure and I could quite possibly be wrong but the dteapi.jar file contains a javax.olap package and the only reference I can find to that package is jsr-69 (http://jcp.org/en/jsr/detail?id=069). According to that page the jsr never reached Final Release and the Proposed Final Draft was licensed under an evaluation license. Birt has written the source code for the interfaces defined by the specification themselves and licensed it as EPL but I have know idea whether they were legally allowed to do that. could you please clarify these concerns? His answer
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hi all, We are trying to use BIRT in ofbiz and I found there is two related JIRA issues: 1) http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-1348 2) http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-2347https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-2347 There is a release for each issue. Which release is preferred? -- Regards, Michael Xu (xudong) www.wizitsoft.com
Re: about using ofbiz as a platform
hi Bruno, Thanks for your reply. I wish I could make it by myself. However, it turns out too challenging for me. I think it is more piratical if one or more committer could lead the overall process. At this moment, what I can suggest is that the current big ofbiz might need to be split into sub projects, like framework, ERP, CRM, eCommerce, etc. -- Regards, Michael Xu (xudong) www.wizitsoft.com | Office: (8610) 6267 0615 ext 806 | Mobile: (86) 135 0135 9807 | Fax: (8610) 62670096 On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 4:30 AM, Bruno Busco bruno.bu...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Michael, the framework isolation and a framework-only installation is definitely something the community as talken about many times. You will find several conversations searching the mailing list. We will have it sooner or later and any help you could provide on this topic will be much appreciated. -Bruno 2009/11/24 Michael Xu (xudong) dong...@wizitsoft.com: hmm...I compared the article and the latest code from trunk. I don't think the diagram is consistent with codes. For example, from the diagram party doesn't depend on marketing; however, as I mentioned in previous email, party entity definition does use ContactListParty from marketing. -- Regards, Michael Xu (xudong) www.wizitsoft.com | Office: (8610) 6267 0615 ext 806 | Mobile: (86) 135 0135 9807 | Fax: (8610) 62670096 On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 9:16 PM, Michael Xu (xudong) dong...@wizitsoft.comwrote: Just found an article about the dependency: http://docs.ofbiz.org/display/OFBADMIN/Component+and+Component+Set+Dependencies http://docs.ofbiz.org/display/OFBADMIN/Component+and+Component+Set+Dependencies From the component relationship diagram, it seems I have to include all components under framework and application in my new application. Is it correct? -- Regards, Michael Xu (xudong) www.wizitsoft.com | Office: (8610) 6267 0615 ext 806 | Mobile: (86) 135 0135 9807 | Fax: (8610) 62670096 On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 9:07 PM, Michael Xu (xudong) dong...@wizitsoft.com wrote: hi all, I try to build a new application using ofbiz. Basically, I want to use the nice overall architect of ofbiz, theme mechanism and Party/Permission/SecurityGroup. However, I found it is very difficult to remove unnecessary components. For example, entitymodel.xml from applications/party uses ContactListParty, which is from marketing component. I think such dependency doesn't make much sense, as marketing is only an optional component but party is a must. What's the best practice for my case? Advices and clues will be very appreciated. Thanks in advance. -- Regards, Michael Xu
