Re: svn commit: r1573170 - /ofbiz/site/index.html
+1 Regards Scott On 3/03/2014, at 8:17 PM, Adrian Crum wrote: > I agree with Jacopo. This change makes the site look unprofessional. > > Adrian Crum > Sandglass Software > www.sandglass-software.com > > On 3/2/2014 10:29 PM, Jacopo Cappellato wrote: >> On Mar 2, 2014, at 7:47 PM, Jacques Le Roux >> wrote: >> >>> Maybe some not geeky users, not reading our MLs, could be frightened by the >>> certificate warning. So this simple sentence to reassure them. >> >> In general, I would prefer to discuss and fix real issues rather than trying >> to imagine what they could be. Following the same pattern, in the past, I >> have seen pages in the wiki (e.g. the old mailing list pages) become very >> confusing and redundant because unnecessary information was added and added >> over time (often with not well written English sentences). >> >>> I don't see much cluttering adding this sentence. >> >> The sentence: >> >> "you can trust certificates" >> >> doesn't mean anything and when you see it in the right bar menu it looks a >> bit weird (especially for users that don't click on the demo links and don't >> see the certificate warning); the OFBiz web site should be kept as clean as >> possible. >> >>> What are the formatting issues? I did not create a CSS class to center the >>> sentence, is that the problem? >> >> Does it look right to you? That sentence is not aligned with the demo links >> and it is difficult to understand it referred to them. >> >> Jacopo >> >> >>> >>> Jacques >>> >>> Le 02/03/2014 18:12, Jacopo Cappellato a écrit : Is this really needed? I don't think the certificate warning is a major issue and we can easily explain in the user list just in case someone will complain... instead of cluttering the web site with unnecessary information (with some formatting issues). Jacopo On Mar 1, 2014, at 2:23 PM, jler...@apache.org wrote: > Author: jleroux > Date: Sat Mar 1 13:23:10 2014 > New Revision: 1573170 > > URL: http://svn.apache.org/r1573170 > Log: > Add a centered line in the demos section: < certificates)>> > > Modified: >ofbiz/site/index.html > > Modified: ofbiz/site/index.html > URL: > http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/ofbiz/site/index.html?rev=1573170&r1=1573169&r2=1573170&view=diff > == > --- ofbiz/site/index.html (original) > +++ ofbiz/site/index.html Sat Mar 1 13:23:10 2014 > @@ -225,9 +225,7 @@ > Source Repository > (SVN) > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ"; > target="_blank">Issue Tracker (Jira) > href="http://ci.apache.org/projects/ofbiz/site/javadocs/"; > target="_blank">API Reference (Javadoc) > - > +Official demos (you can trust > certificates) > 11.04 Release Branch Demo (stable) > > href="http://demo-stable.ofbiz.apache.org/ecommerce/control/main";>Front-End > Store > > >>
Re: svn commit: r1573170 - /ofbiz/site/index.html
On Mar 6, 2014, at 6:51 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: > > Le 06/03/2014 18:24, Jacopo Cappellato a écrit : >> On Mar 3, 2014, at 10:35 AM, Jacques Le Roux >> wrote: >> >>> As I said we can remove it, if really we can't convince infra to handle a >>> yearly certificate for our demos, maybe you have better ideas for demos to >>> look more clean? >> I would rather prefer to remove the existing links from the right bar and >> add a top menu item (or similar) like "Demos" that goes to a new website >> page where we can publish the links together with all the information we >> need to explain how to use them, warn about certificates etc... >> But adding one more plain html file may become difficult to maintain and for >> this reason I would like, before we move into this direction, to switch the >> OFBiz site to the Apache CMS. >> I am actually tempted to start playing with it to better understand the >> effort required for the migration. >> What do you guys think? >> >> Jacopo > > This would be only for the OFBiz site, right? I mean not Confluence. Yes, here I am talking about the few static html pages of our website, Confluence will not be affected by this. Jacopo > Then yes, why not? But I will not be able to help much next weeks... > > Note that I like the idea of a demo page in the meantime... > > Jacques
Re: svn commit: r1573170 - /ofbiz/site/index.html
Le 06/03/2014 18:24, Jacopo Cappellato a écrit : On Mar 3, 2014, at 10:35 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: As I said we can remove it, if really we can't convince infra to handle a yearly certificate for our demos, maybe you have better ideas for demos to look more clean? I would rather prefer to remove the existing links from the right bar and add a top menu item (or similar) like "Demos" that goes to a new website page where we can publish the links together with all the information we need to explain how to use them, warn about certificates etc... But adding one more plain html file may become difficult to maintain and for this reason I would like, before we move into this direction, to switch the OFBiz site to the Apache CMS. I am actually tempted to start playing with it to better understand the effort required for the migration. What do you guys think? Jacopo This would be only for the OFBiz site, right? I mean not Confluence. Then yes, why not? But I will not be able to help much next weeks... Note that I like the idea of a demo page in the meantime... Jacques
Re: svn commit: r1573170 - /ofbiz/site/index.html
On Mar 3, 2014, at 10:35 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: > As I said we can remove it, if really we can't convince infra to handle a > yearly certificate for our demos, maybe you have better ideas for demos to > look more clean? I would rather prefer to remove the existing links from the right bar and add a top menu item (or similar) like "Demos" that goes to a new website page where we can publish the links together with all the information we need to explain how to use them, warn about certificates etc... But adding one more plain html file may become difficult to maintain and for this reason I would like, before we move into this direction, to switch the OFBiz site to the Apache CMS. I am actually tempted to start playing with it to better understand the effort required for the migration. What do you guys think? Jacopo
Re: svn commit: r1573170 - /ofbiz/site/index.html
Inline Le 03/03/2014 08:51, Hans Bakker a écrit : I think that missing certificates are unprofessional and if it is not possible to add one (a wild card certificate on apache.org would do it, costs about 80$, or even two single ones can be had for 10$) then certainly I agree with Jacques a comment that it does not do any harm, would be useful. Your proposition makes sense Hans. I already suggested that 5 years ago http://markmail.org/message/jtrovomwpqrl4xan And I even made a request to infra: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-2849 I have used StartSSL since for my own needs and it works quite well. But it's maybe not a money issue, rather that the infra team does not want to handle it... yearly... You can discuss the way it is shown. If someone wants to remove it, let's go. But the SSL certificate issues will remain... Regards, Hans On 03/03/14 14:17, Adrian Crum wrote: I agree with Jacopo. This change makes the site look unprofessional. What makes look us unprofessional is not to have a SSL certificate. It's easy to forget once you have accepted the exceptions (trunk, stable, old). Maybe the ASF and infra team policies in this regard is because we are a kind of an exception. I don't know if any other TLP has also demos like us? Adrian Crum Sandglass Software www.sandglass-software.com On 3/2/2014 10:29 PM, Jacopo Cappellato wrote: On Mar 2, 2014, at 7:47 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: Maybe some not geeky users, not reading our MLs, could be frightened by the certificate warning. So this simple sentence to reassure them. In general, I would prefer to discuss and fix real issues rather than trying to imagine what they could be. Following the same pattern, in the past, I have seen pages in the wiki (e.g. the old mailing list pages) become very confusing and redundant because unnecessary information was added and added over time (often with not well written English sentences). I don't see any relation with wiki pages here (which I agree could be better if all committers would make their duty), but yes having a SSL certificate(s?) there would be better in my opinion. I don't see much cluttering adding this sentence. The sentence: "you can trust certificates" doesn't mean anything and when you see it in the right bar menu it looks a bit weird (especially for users that don't click on the demo links and don't see the certificate warning); the OFBiz web site should be kept as clean as possible. Yes the sentence should rather say "Please accept exceptions for SSL certificates if you get to the backend demos" but I found it a bit too long. I agree that the OFBiz web site should be kept as clean as possible, so should be the demos. What are the formatting issues? I did not create a CSS class to center the sentence, is that the problem? Does it look right to you? That sentence is not aligned with the demo links and it is difficult to understand it referred to them. I just centered it above the demo sections to make it clear it was related. As I said we can remove it, if really we can't convince infra to handle a yearly certificate for our demos, maybe you have better ideas for demos to look more clean? Once again <> Jacques Jacopo Jacques Le 02/03/2014 18:12, Jacopo Cappellato a écrit : Is this really needed? I don't think the certificate warning is a major issue and we can easily explain in the user list just in case someone will complain... instead of cluttering the web site with unnecessary information (with some formatting issues). Jacopo On Mar 1, 2014, at 2:23 PM, jler...@apache.org wrote: Author: jleroux Date: Sat Mar 1 13:23:10 2014 New Revision: 1573170 URL: http://svn.apache.org/r1573170 Log: Add a centered line in the demos section: <> Modified: ofbiz/site/index.html Modified: ofbiz/site/index.html URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/ofbiz/site/index.html?rev=1573170&r1=1573169&r2=1573170&view=diff == --- ofbiz/site/index.html (original) +++ ofbiz/site/index.html Sat Mar 1 13:23:10 2014 @@ -225,9 +225,7 @@ Source Repository (SVN) https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ"; target="_blank">Issue Tracker (Jira) http://ci.apache.org/projects/ofbiz/site/javadocs/"; target="_blank">API Reference (Javadoc) - +Official demos (you can trust certificates) 11.04 Release Branch Demo (stable) http://demo-stable.ofbiz.apache.org/ecommerce/control/main";>Front-End Store
Re: svn commit: r1573170 - /ofbiz/site/index.html
I think that missing certificates are unprofessional and if it is not possible to add one (a wild card certificate on apache.org would do it, costs about 80$, or even two single ones can be had for 10$) then certainly I agree with Jacques a comment that it does not do any harm, would be useful. You can discuss the way it is shown. Regards, Hans On 03/03/14 14:17, Adrian Crum wrote: I agree with Jacopo. This change makes the site look unprofessional. Adrian Crum Sandglass Software www.sandglass-software.com On 3/2/2014 10:29 PM, Jacopo Cappellato wrote: On Mar 2, 2014, at 7:47 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: Maybe some not geeky users, not reading our MLs, could be frightened by the certificate warning. So this simple sentence to reassure them. In general, I would prefer to discuss and fix real issues rather than trying to imagine what they could be. Following the same pattern, in the past, I have seen pages in the wiki (e.g. the old mailing list pages) become very confusing and redundant because unnecessary information was added and added over time (often with not well written English sentences). I don't see much cluttering adding this sentence. The sentence: "you can trust certificates" doesn't mean anything and when you see it in the right bar menu it looks a bit weird (especially for users that don't click on the demo links and don't see the certificate warning); the OFBiz web site should be kept as clean as possible. What are the formatting issues? I did not create a CSS class to center the sentence, is that the problem? Does it look right to you? That sentence is not aligned with the demo links and it is difficult to understand it referred to them. Jacopo Jacques Le 02/03/2014 18:12, Jacopo Cappellato a écrit : Is this really needed? I don't think the certificate warning is a major issue and we can easily explain in the user list just in case someone will complain... instead of cluttering the web site with unnecessary information (with some formatting issues). Jacopo On Mar 1, 2014, at 2:23 PM, jler...@apache.org wrote: Author: jleroux Date: Sat Mar 1 13:23:10 2014 New Revision: 1573170 URL: http://svn.apache.org/r1573170 Log: Add a centered line in the demos section:> Modified: ofbiz/site/index.html Modified: ofbiz/site/index.html URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/ofbiz/site/index.html?rev=1573170&r1=1573169&r2=1573170&view=diff == --- ofbiz/site/index.html (original) +++ ofbiz/site/index.html Sat Mar 1 13:23:10 2014 @@ -225,9 +225,7 @@ Source Repository (SVN) href="https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ"; target="_blank">Issue Tracker (Jira) href="http://ci.apache.org/projects/ofbiz/site/javadocs/"; target="_blank">API Reference (Javadoc) - +Official demos (you can trust certificates) 11.04 Release Branch Demo (stable) href="http://demo-stable.ofbiz.apache.org/ecommerce/control/main";>Front-End Store
Re: svn commit: r1573170 - /ofbiz/site/index.html
I agree with Jacopo. This change makes the site look unprofessional. Adrian Crum Sandglass Software www.sandglass-software.com On 3/2/2014 10:29 PM, Jacopo Cappellato wrote: On Mar 2, 2014, at 7:47 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: Maybe some not geeky users, not reading our MLs, could be frightened by the certificate warning. So this simple sentence to reassure them. In general, I would prefer to discuss and fix real issues rather than trying to imagine what they could be. Following the same pattern, in the past, I have seen pages in the wiki (e.g. the old mailing list pages) become very confusing and redundant because unnecessary information was added and added over time (often with not well written English sentences). I don't see much cluttering adding this sentence. The sentence: "you can trust certificates" doesn't mean anything and when you see it in the right bar menu it looks a bit weird (especially for users that don't click on the demo links and don't see the certificate warning); the OFBiz web site should be kept as clean as possible. What are the formatting issues? I did not create a CSS class to center the sentence, is that the problem? Does it look right to you? That sentence is not aligned with the demo links and it is difficult to understand it referred to them. Jacopo Jacques Le 02/03/2014 18:12, Jacopo Cappellato a écrit : Is this really needed? I don't think the certificate warning is a major issue and we can easily explain in the user list just in case someone will complain... instead of cluttering the web site with unnecessary information (with some formatting issues). Jacopo On Mar 1, 2014, at 2:23 PM, jler...@apache.org wrote: Author: jleroux Date: Sat Mar 1 13:23:10 2014 New Revision: 1573170 URL: http://svn.apache.org/r1573170 Log: Add a centered line in the demos section: <> Modified: ofbiz/site/index.html Modified: ofbiz/site/index.html URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/ofbiz/site/index.html?rev=1573170&r1=1573169&r2=1573170&view=diff == --- ofbiz/site/index.html (original) +++ ofbiz/site/index.html Sat Mar 1 13:23:10 2014 @@ -225,9 +225,7 @@ Source Repository (SVN) https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ"; target="_blank">Issue Tracker (Jira) http://ci.apache.org/projects/ofbiz/site/javadocs/"; target="_blank">API Reference (Javadoc) - +Official demos (you can trust certificates) 11.04 Release Branch Demo (stable) http://demo-stable.ofbiz.apache.org/ecommerce/control/main";>Front-End Store
Re: svn commit: r1573170 - /ofbiz/site/index.html
On Mar 2, 2014, at 7:47 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: > Maybe some not geeky users, not reading our MLs, could be frightened by the > certificate warning. So this simple sentence to reassure them. In general, I would prefer to discuss and fix real issues rather than trying to imagine what they could be. Following the same pattern, in the past, I have seen pages in the wiki (e.g. the old mailing list pages) become very confusing and redundant because unnecessary information was added and added over time (often with not well written English sentences). > I don't see much cluttering adding this sentence. The sentence: "you can trust certificates" doesn't mean anything and when you see it in the right bar menu it looks a bit weird (especially for users that don't click on the demo links and don't see the certificate warning); the OFBiz web site should be kept as clean as possible. > What are the formatting issues? I did not create a CSS class to center the > sentence, is that the problem? Does it look right to you? That sentence is not aligned with the demo links and it is difficult to understand it referred to them. Jacopo > > Jacques > > Le 02/03/2014 18:12, Jacopo Cappellato a écrit : >> Is this really needed? >> I don't think the certificate warning is a major issue and we can easily >> explain in the user list just in case someone will complain... instead of >> cluttering the web site with unnecessary information (with some formatting >> issues). >> >> Jacopo >> >> >> On Mar 1, 2014, at 2:23 PM, jler...@apache.org wrote: >> >>> Author: jleroux >>> Date: Sat Mar 1 13:23:10 2014 >>> New Revision: 1573170 >>> >>> URL: http://svn.apache.org/r1573170 >>> Log: >>> Add a centered line in the demos section: <>> certificates)>> >>> >>> Modified: >>>ofbiz/site/index.html >>> >>> Modified: ofbiz/site/index.html >>> URL: >>> http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/ofbiz/site/index.html?rev=1573170&r1=1573169&r2=1573170&view=diff >>> == >>> --- ofbiz/site/index.html (original) >>> +++ ofbiz/site/index.html Sat Mar 1 13:23:10 2014 >>> @@ -225,9 +225,7 @@ >>> Source Repository >>> (SVN) >>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ"; >>> target="_blank">Issue Tracker (Jira) >>> >> href="http://ci.apache.org/projects/ofbiz/site/javadocs/"; >>> target="_blank">API Reference (Javadoc) >>> - >>> +Official demos (you can trust >>> certificates) >>> 11.04 Release Branch Demo (stable) >>> >>> >> href="http://demo-stable.ofbiz.apache.org/ecommerce/control/main";>Front-End >>> Store >>> >>> >> >>
Re: svn commit: r1573170 - /ofbiz/site/index.html
Maybe some not geeky users, not reading our MLs, could be frightened by the certificate warning. So this simple sentence to reassure them. I don't see much cluttering adding this sentence. What are the formatting issues? I did not create a CSS class to center the sentence, is that the problem? Jacques Le 02/03/2014 18:12, Jacopo Cappellato a écrit : Is this really needed? I don't think the certificate warning is a major issue and we can easily explain in the user list just in case someone will complain... instead of cluttering the web site with unnecessary information (with some formatting issues). Jacopo On Mar 1, 2014, at 2:23 PM, jler...@apache.org wrote: Author: jleroux Date: Sat Mar 1 13:23:10 2014 New Revision: 1573170 URL: http://svn.apache.org/r1573170 Log: Add a centered line in the demos section: <> Modified: ofbiz/site/index.html Modified: ofbiz/site/index.html URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/ofbiz/site/index.html?rev=1573170&r1=1573169&r2=1573170&view=diff == --- ofbiz/site/index.html (original) +++ ofbiz/site/index.html Sat Mar 1 13:23:10 2014 @@ -225,9 +225,7 @@ Source Repository (SVN) https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ"; target="_blank">Issue Tracker (Jira) http://ci.apache.org/projects/ofbiz/site/javadocs/"; target="_blank">API Reference (Javadoc) - +Official demos (you can trust certificates) 11.04 Release Branch Demo (stable) http://demo-stable.ofbiz.apache.org/ecommerce/control/main";>Front-End Store
Re: svn commit: r1573170 - /ofbiz/site/index.html
Is this really needed? I don't think the certificate warning is a major issue and we can easily explain in the user list just in case someone will complain... instead of cluttering the web site with unnecessary information (with some formatting issues). Jacopo On Mar 1, 2014, at 2:23 PM, jler...@apache.org wrote: > Author: jleroux > Date: Sat Mar 1 13:23:10 2014 > New Revision: 1573170 > > URL: http://svn.apache.org/r1573170 > Log: > Add a centered line in the demos section: < certificates)>> > > Modified: >ofbiz/site/index.html > > Modified: ofbiz/site/index.html > URL: > http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/ofbiz/site/index.html?rev=1573170&r1=1573169&r2=1573170&view=diff > == > --- ofbiz/site/index.html (original) > +++ ofbiz/site/index.html Sat Mar 1 13:23:10 2014 > @@ -225,9 +225,7 @@ > Source Repository > (SVN) > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ"; > target="_blank">Issue Tracker (Jira) > href="http://ci.apache.org/projects/ofbiz/site/javadocs/"; target="_blank">API > Reference (Javadoc) > - > +Official demos (you can trust > certificates) > 11.04 Release Branch Demo (stable) > > href="http://demo-stable.ofbiz.apache.org/ecommerce/control/main";>Front-End > Store > >
