Re: [tdf-discuss] macro compatibility between LO and AOO?

[Andre Fischer]

On 05.03.2013 18:29, Michael Meeks wrote:

Hi guys,

On Tue, 2013-03-05 at 09:19 -0800, Fred Ollinger wrote:

I was wondering if libreoffice and aooo can't agree to
some basic level api for 3rd party developers?

It's an interesting discussion; but in the absence of any concrete
code, patches etc. it doesn't belong on the libreoffice developer list;


Talking about a concrete change is a good idea so please let me ask a
question similar to one I asked at FOSDEM but to which I got no clear
answer.  Probably because of my bad English that is even worse when I
speak it.

Stephan Bergman talked about "Well-typed UNO", something that would
involve incompatible changes to the UNO API.  I would like to know if
LibreOffice and Apache OpenOffice could work together on this.  I am
just talking about changes on API level not the underlying
implementation.  That would be something that both projects would do
independently.

I am asking this because I think that the users of both LO and AOO
would benefit from APIs that are as similar as possible.  I am aware
that there are other incompatible changes in both projects but every
part of the API that remains compatible between LO and AOO means that an
extension developer does not have to care about it when developing an
extension for both projects.


please drop that one from the CC.


As my question is directed at (to?) the LibreOffice developers, I hope 
that you don't mind that I have put the LO list back on CC.


Thanks,
Andre



Thanks,

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Re: New page: Contributing Code

[Andrea Pescetti]

Rob Weir wrote:

OK. Feel free to update the language.  I think we agree on the facts.
It is just a matter of making it clear.


Done at http://openoffice.apache.org/contributing-code.html (first 
bullet item). Feel free to review/modify again if further clarifications 
are needed.


Regards,
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Re: New page: Contributing Code

[Daniel Shahaf]

Andrea Pescetti wrote on Wed, Mar 06, 2013 at 10:01:03 +0100:
> Rob Weir wrote:
>> OK. Feel free to update the language.  I think we agree on the facts.
>> It is just a matter of making it clear.
>
> Done at http://openoffice.apache.org/contributing-code.html (first  
> bullet item). Feel free to review/modify again if further clarifications  
> are needed.
>

+1, looks good to me.

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Re: can the openoffice run in the unix?

[James Lee]

On 05/03/2013 18:24, Paul Gress wrote:
The only true Unix it runs on is Solaris, and only a pre-development 
version at that.
I'm running the current 3.4.1 release on regular Solaris 10 u11. [No 
"pre-development version" of AOO nor Solaris.]



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Windows 8 Operating System

[seanutr]

Please tell me, Is openoffice compatible with the new Microsoft Windows 8 
Operating System?

 

I searched through many pages of information and finally found the list of 
compatibility but Windows 8 was not listed however a friend told me no problem. 

Before I download this I desire to confirm. 

 

Please advise,

Thanks

Arden Davis



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Re: [tdf-discuss] macro compatibility between LO and AOO?

[Stephan Bergmann]

On 03/06/2013 09:00 AM, Andre Fischer wrote:

On 05.03.2013 18:29, Michael Meeks wrote:

On Tue, 2013-03-05 at 09:19 -0800, Fred Ollinger wrote:

I was wondering if libreoffice and aooo can't agree to
some basic level api for 3rd party developers?

It's an interesting discussion; but in the absence of any concrete
code, patches etc. it doesn't belong on the libreoffice developer list;


Talking about a concrete change is a good idea so please let me ask a
question similar to one I asked at FOSDEM but to which I got no clear
answer.  Probably because of my bad English that is even worse when I
speak it.

Stephan Bergman talked about "Well-typed UNO", something that would
involve incompatible changes to the UNO API.  I would like to know if
LibreOffice and Apache OpenOffice could work together on this.  I am
just talking about changes on API level not the underlying
implementation.  That would be something that both projects would do
independently.


First off, depends on what you mean with "UNO API."  One customary 
meaning is the set of UNOIDL entities (mainly) declared in udkapi/ and 
offapi/ .idl files.  (LibreOffice tries to meticulously track any 
incompatible changes it does there, see e.g., the "API Changes" section 
at .)


Another customary meaning is the broader concept of stable interface the 
URE offers, including C ABI, file formats, wire protocols, etc.  My hope 
is that my work on changing the type representation does not affect the 
former, only the latter (file formats etc.).  And, obviously, it will 
need to take care of a backward-compatibility plan.


That said, I can only repeat now what I already said at FOSDEM, that I'm 
going to well document all the changes to any specifications---just like 
I did for any other changes to UNO I did over the last ten years or so. 
 And, as always, any input is highly welcome.


Stephan

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Re: Branding Refresh For AOO 4.0 [Closing in 72hrs]

[Samer Mansour]

That looks great!

On Mon, Mar 4, 2013 at 5:00 PM, Andrea Pescetti  wrote:

> On 02/03/2013 Samer Mansour wrote:
>
>> I've populated some minimal how to participate info on
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/**confluence/display/OOOUSERS/**
>> Apache+OpenOffice+4.0+Brand+**Refresh+Project
>> .
>> Could you help with making that a blog post?  Even if its short "Call
>> For Designers" And a link to the above
>>
>
> Thanks. I've put together a draft blog post, using your text, at
>
> http://blogs.apache.org/**preview/OOo/?previewEntry=**
> call_for_designers_apache_**openoffice
>
> Comments/suggestions welcome.
>
> Regards,
>   Andrea.
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Re: Windows 8 Operating System

[FR web forum]

https://blogs.apache.org/OOo/entry/your_top_questions_answered
Question #11

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À: dev@openoffice.apache.org
Envoyé: Mercredi 6 Mars 2013 15:09:19
Objet: Windows 8 Operating System

Please tell me, Is openoffice compatible with the new Microsoft Windows 8 
Operating System?

 

I searched through many pages of information and finally found the list of 
compatibility but Windows 8 was not listed however a friend told me no problem. 

Before I download this I desire to confirm. 

 

Please advise,

Thanks

Arden Davis



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Re: can the openoffice run in the unix?

[Peter Junge]

James Lee  wrote:

>On 05/03/2013 18:24, Paul Gress wrote:
>> The only true Unix it runs on is Solaris, and only a pre-development 
>> version at that.
>I'm running the current 3.4.1 release on regular Solaris 10 u11. [No 
>"pre-development version" of AOO nor Solaris.]
>
>
>James.
>
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Re: Branding Refresh For AOO 4.0 [Closing in 72hrs]

[Kevin Grignon]

Hello all,

Recruiting designers is great, and if we start to refine our current design 
submissions, we can leverage any additional support to accelerate the design 
avtivity  

As a reminder, we have a number of submissions that we should start 
considering. 

Design is iterative, we need to review the submissions and identify which 
design elements resonate, and continue to iterate.

It feels like the challenge right now is how to move the iterative design 
process forward. 

I could propose a process to help drive the design process forward. 

Thoughts?

Kevin



On Mar 6, 2013, at 10:46 PM, Samer Mansour  wrote:

> That looks great!
> 
> On Mon, Mar 4, 2013 at 5:00 PM, Andrea Pescetti  wrote:
> 
>> On 02/03/2013 Samer Mansour wrote:
>> 
>>> I've populated some minimal how to participate info on
>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/**confluence/display/OOOUSERS/**
>>> Apache+OpenOffice+4.0+Brand+**Refresh+Project
>>> .
>>> Could you help with making that a blog post?  Even if its short "Call
>>> For Designers" And a link to the above
>>> 
>> 
>> Thanks. I've put together a draft blog post, using your text, at
>> 
>> http://blogs.apache.org/**preview/OOo/?previewEntry=**
>> call_for_designers_apache_**openoffice
>> 
>> Comments/suggestions welcome.
>> 
>> Regards,
>>  Andrea.
>> 
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Re: [tdf-discuss] macro compatibility between LO and AOO?

[Andre Fischer]

On 06.03.2013 15:25, Stephan Bergmann wrote:

On 03/06/2013 09:00 AM, Andre Fischer wrote:

On 05.03.2013 18:29, Michael Meeks wrote:

On Tue, 2013-03-05 at 09:19 -0800, Fred Ollinger wrote:

I was wondering if libreoffice and aooo can't agree to
some basic level api for 3rd party developers?

It's an interesting discussion; but in the absence of any concrete
code, patches etc. it doesn't belong on the libreoffice developer list;


Talking about a concrete change is a good idea so please let me ask a
question similar to one I asked at FOSDEM but to which I got no clear
answer.  Probably because of my bad English that is even worse when I
speak it.

Stephan Bergman talked about "Well-typed UNO", something that would
involve incompatible changes to the UNO API.  I would like to know if
LibreOffice and Apache OpenOffice could work together on this. I am
just talking about changes on API level not the underlying
implementation.  That would be something that both projects would do
independently.


First off, depends on what you mean with "UNO API."  One customary 
meaning is the set of UNOIDL entities (mainly) declared in udkapi/ and 
offapi/ .idl files.  (LibreOffice tries to meticulously track any 
incompatible changes it does there, see e.g., the "API Changes" 
section at 
.)


Another customary meaning is the broader concept of stable interface 
the URE offers, including C ABI, file formats, wire protocols, etc.  
My hope is that my work on changing the type representation does not 
affect the former, only the latter (file formats etc.).  And, 
obviously, it will need to take care of a backward-compatibility plan.


By "UNO API" I mean everything that affects a packaged extension, that 
is basically your option B.  So if I understand you correctly that an 
extension developer just has to recompile (for a C++ extension) the 
source code, repackage the extension and is done (with respect to your 
changes).  That sounds good.




That said, I can only repeat now what I already said at FOSDEM, that 
I'm going to well document all the changes to any 
specifications---just like I did for any other changes to UNO I did 
over the last ten years or so.  And, as always, any input is highly 
welcome.


Great. Thanks.
Do you have a pointer to the relevant documentation?

-Andre



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Re: [tdf-discuss] macro compatibility between LO and AOO?

[Stephan Bergmann]

On 03/06/2013 04:47 PM, Andre Fischer wrote:

On 06.03.2013 15:25, Stephan Bergmann wrote:

On 03/06/2013 09:00 AM, Andre Fischer wrote:

On 05.03.2013 18:29, Michael Meeks wrote:

On Tue, 2013-03-05 at 09:19 -0800, Fred Ollinger wrote:

I was wondering if libreoffice and aooo can't agree to
some basic level api for 3rd party developers?

It's an interesting discussion; but in the absence of any concrete
code, patches etc. it doesn't belong on the libreoffice developer list;


Talking about a concrete change is a good idea so please let me ask a
question similar to one I asked at FOSDEM but to which I got no clear
answer.  Probably because of my bad English that is even worse when I
speak it.

Stephan Bergman talked about "Well-typed UNO", something that would
involve incompatible changes to the UNO API.  I would like to know if
LibreOffice and Apache OpenOffice could work together on this. I am
just talking about changes on API level not the underlying
implementation.  That would be something that both projects would do
independently.


First off, depends on what you mean with "UNO API."  One customary
meaning is the set of UNOIDL entities (mainly) declared in udkapi/ and
offapi/ .idl files.  (LibreOffice tries to meticulously track any
incompatible changes it does there, see e.g., the "API Changes"
section at
.)

Another customary meaning is the broader concept of stable interface
the URE offers, including C ABI, file formats, wire protocols, etc. My
hope is that my work on changing the type representation does not
affect the former, only the latter (file formats etc.).  And,
obviously, it will need to take care of a backward-compatibility plan.


By "UNO API" I mean everything that affects a packaged extension, that
is basically your option B.  So if I understand you correctly that an
extension developer just has to recompile (for a C++ extension) the
source code, repackage the extension and is done (with respect to your
changes).  That sounds good.


It should basically boil down to:  If you include a types.rdb in your 
extension, you can translate it to the new format (or not, in which case 
your extension will work as long as we keep the backwards-compatibility 
code alive).  If you don't include something like that (and that's 
likely most extensions anyway, except for Calc Add-Ons), you don't need 
to do anything at all.



That said, I can only repeat now what I already said at FOSDEM, that
I'm going to well document all the changes to any
specifications---just like I did for any other changes to UNO I did
over the last ten years or so.  And, as always, any input is highly
welcome.


Great. Thanks.
Do you have a pointer to the relevant documentation?


Not yet.  As always, things progress more slowly than I'd hoped.  Stay 
tuned, though.  ;)


Stephan

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Re: Furious

[Rob Weir]

On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 10:23 AM, Joshua Mills
 wrote:
> Your website is as impossible to navigate as your programme. You've put in
> a feature that is INFURIATING and has cost me a working afternoon. Give me
> the email address of someone I can speak to as soon as possible please. I
> am absolutely livid.

Hello Joshua,

I'm sorry to hear that you have run into difficulties.   If you want
to report the details, you have three basic options:

1) Send them to this mailing list, dev@openoffice.apache.org. All of
the programmers on the project are here.

2) If you have a specific bug to report you can put it in our Bugzilla
issue tracker here: https://issues.apache.org/ooo/

3) If it is more in the nature of a technical support question you can
discuss it on our community support forums here;
http://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/

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Re: Furious

[Alexandro Colorado]

On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 10:13 AM, Rob Weir  wrote:

> On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 10:23 AM, Joshua Mills
>  wrote:
> > Your website is as impossible to navigate as your programme. You've put
> in
> > a feature that is INFURIATING and has cost me a working afternoon. Give
> me
> > the email address of someone I can speak to as soon as possible please. I
> > am absolutely livid.
>

This looks like spam.


>
> Hello Joshua,
>
> I'm sorry to hear that you have run into difficulties.   If you want
> to report the details, you have three basic options:
>
> 1) Send them to this mailing list, dev@openoffice.apache.org. All of
> the programmers on the project are here.
>
> 2) If you have a specific bug to report you can put it in our Bugzilla
> issue tracker here: https://issues.apache.org/ooo/
>
> 3) If it is more in the nature of a technical support question you can
> discuss it on our community support forums here;
> http://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/
>
> Regards,
>
> -Rob
>
> -
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>
>


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Re: Windows 8 Operating System

[Max Merbald]

Hello Arden,

there's no problem at all using OpenOffice on Win 8. I've been using AOO 
on Win 8 since Oct 30, 2012, and I never had any problems at all.


Max


Am 06.03.2013 15:09, schrieb sean...@gmail.com:

Please tell me, Is openoffice compatible with the new Microsoft Windows 8 
Operating System?

  


I searched through many pages of information and finally found the list of 
compatibility but Windows 8 was not listed however a friend told me no problem.

Before I download this I desire to confirm.

  


Please advise,

Thanks

Arden Davis



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Please let me know the mail list address for Base

[Tristan Hales]

Hello the right person!
Please help me find the mail list for Base group.
Thank you and sorry it this is in the wrong mail list.
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Re: Furious

[Ian Lynch]

On 6 March 2013 16:14, Alexandro Colorado  wrote:

> On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 10:13 AM, Rob Weir  wrote:
>
> > On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 10:23 AM, Joshua Mills
> >  wrote:
> > > Your website is as impossible to navigate as your programme. You've put
> > in
> > > a feature that is INFURIATING and has cost me a working afternoon. Give
> > me
> > > the email address of someone I can speak to as soon as possible
> please. I
> > > am absolutely livid.
> >
>
> This looks like spam.


Yes, could be I wasn't 100% sure when I moderated it so I let it through
just in case. Sorry if it is, just very busy at the moment :-(


> > Hello Joshua,
> >
> > I'm sorry to hear that you have run into difficulties.   If you want
> > to report the details, you have three basic options:
> >
> > 1) Send them to this mailing list, dev@openoffice.apache.org. All of
> > the programmers on the project are here.
> >
> > 2) If you have a specific bug to report you can put it in our Bugzilla
> > issue tracker here: https://issues.apache.org/ooo/
> >
> > 3) If it is more in the nature of a technical support question you can
> > discuss it on our community support forums here;
> > http://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > -Rob
> >
> > -
> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org
> > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
> >
> >
>
>
> --
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> Apache OpenOffice Contributor
> http://es.openoffice.org
>



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Re: Furious

[Rob Weir]

On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 11:34 AM, Ian Lynch  wrote:
> On 6 March 2013 16:14, Alexandro Colorado  wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 10:13 AM, Rob Weir  wrote:
>>
>> > On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 10:23 AM, Joshua Mills
>> >  wrote:
>> > > Your website is as impossible to navigate as your programme. You've put
>> > in
>> > > a feature that is INFURIATING and has cost me a working afternoon. Give
>> > me
>> > > the email address of someone I can speak to as soon as possible
>> please. I
>> > > am absolutely livid.
>> >
>>
>> This looks like spam.
>
>
> Yes, could be I wasn't 100% sure when I moderated it so I let it through
> just in case. Sorry if it is, just very busy at the moment :-(
>

Spam without any advertising, or link back to a commercial page, or
even a commercial email address?  That doesn't seem to be an effective
way of doing spam.  Your response has more commercial-oriented content
in the signature block than this so-called spam does ;-)

Any hoo, looking up the email address shows there is a writer in Leeds
named Joshua:

http://www.guru.com/freelancers/Creative-Writer-Copywriter-Screen-Script-Sales-Material-Editor-Proofreader/United-Kingdom/Leeds/1420722

Maybe that is part of the same elaborate spam plot? ;-)

Seriously, please continue to keep a light finger on moderator spam
button.  I don't think we've seem any real spam come through.  So
you're doing great.

-Rob


>
>> > Hello Joshua,
>> >
>> > I'm sorry to hear that you have run into difficulties.   If you want
>> > to report the details, you have three basic options:
>> >
>> > 1) Send them to this mailing list, dev@openoffice.apache.org. All of
>> > the programmers on the project are here.
>> >
>> > 2) If you have a specific bug to report you can put it in our Bugzilla
>> > issue tracker here: https://issues.apache.org/ooo/
>> >
>> > 3) If it is more in the nature of a technical support question you can
>> > discuss it on our community support forums here;
>> > http://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> >
>> > -Rob
>> >
>> > -
>> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org
>> > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>> --
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>> Apache OpenOffice Contributor
>> http://es.openoffice.org
>>
>
>
>
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Re: Branding Refresh For AOO 4.0 [Closing in 72hrs]

[Andrea Pescetti]

15:46, Samer Mansour wrote:

That looks great!


OK, now published:
https://blogs.apache.org/OOo/entry/call_for_designers_apache_openoffice
(and thank you for writing most of the text, actually!)

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Re: Branding Refresh For AOO 4.0 [Closing in 72hrs]

[Kay Schenk]

On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 7:37 AM, Kevin Grignon wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> Recruiting designers is great, and if we start to refine our current
> design submissions, we can leverage any additional support to accelerate
> the design avtivity
>
> As a reminder, we have a number of submissions that we should start
> considering.
>
> Design is iterative, we need to review the submissions and identify which
> design elements resonate, and continue to iterate.
>
> It feels like the challenge right now is how to move the iterative design
> process forward.
>
> I could propose a process to help drive the design process forward.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Kevin
>

Please do. :)


>
>
>
> On Mar 6, 2013, at 10:46 PM, Samer Mansour  wrote:
>
> > That looks great!
> >
> > On Mon, Mar 4, 2013 at 5:00 PM, Andrea Pescetti 
> wrote:
> >
> >> On 02/03/2013 Samer Mansour wrote:
> >>
> >>> I've populated some minimal how to participate info on
> >>> https://cwiki.apache.org/**confluence/display/OOOUSERS/**
> >>> Apache+OpenOffice+4.0+Brand+**Refresh+Project<
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Apache+OpenOffice+4.0+Brand+Refresh+Project
> >
> >>> .
> >>> Could you help with making that a blog post?  Even if its short "Call
> >>> For Designers" And a link to the above
> >>>
> >>
> >> Thanks. I've put together a draft blog post, using your text, at
> >>
> >> http://blogs.apache.org/**preview/OOo/?previewEntry=**
> >> call_for_designers_apache_**openoffice<
> http://blogs.apache.org/preview/OOo/?previewEntry=call_for_designers_apache_openoffice
> >
> >>
> >> Comments/suggestions welcome.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>  Andrea.
> >>
> >>
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Re: Please let me know the mail list address for Base

[Kay Schenk]

On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 7:42 AM, Tristan Hales wrote:

> Hello the right person!
> Please help me find the mail list for Base group.
> Thank you and sorry it this is in the wrong mail list.
> Tristan Hales, Asst. Office Manager
> The Nature Place
> 719.748.3475
>

Tristan,  hi --

We no longer have product groups per se, so there is no Base group. Any and
all development questions and suggestions  should come to this list,
dev@openoffice.apache.org. We would love to hear from you on this front!

However, if you have user support questions about Base, please see our
Support page -- http://www.openoffice.org/support/index.html

and especially OpenOffice Community Support.

Thanks for your interest in Apache OpenOffice.

-- 

MzK

"Achieving happiness requires the right combination of Zen and Zin."

Re: Document Freedom Day 2013 -- March 27

[Rob Weir]

On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 1:48 PM, Rob Weir  wrote:
> Document Freedom Day (DFD) promotes the use of open standards and
> interoperability in documents.   OpenOffice has been a core part of
> DFD since it first started in 2008.
>
> Our community's support of the OpenDocument Format (ODF) file format
> is broad: in the product of course, but also via our personal use, and
> via the efforts of our volunteers in OASIS maintaining the standard,
> and at Plugfests improving interoperability.
>
> I'd like to see us celebrate Document Freedom Day.  I think we can do
> something similar do what we did for International Mother Language
> Day:   Using social media and our website.  We can reach nearly a
> million people when we do this, so it is very effective.
>
> To make this happen we need a few things to happen before, say March 10th:
>

Time is running out if we want to do something.

> 1) An adapted logo for the website, something thematic.
>
> a) The hi-res version of the current logo is here:
> http://www.openoffice.org/images/AOO_logos/AOO-logo-hires.jpg
>
> b) For ideas, the official DFD art work is here:
> http://documentfreedom.org/artwork.en.html
>
> c) The final website logo should be 100px high, with width of 200-400px.
>
> d) If we can avoid putting the date in the logo we can reuse it in
> future years as well.
>

Anyone feel inspired to create an AOO/DFD logo for the website?

> 2) A blog post and/or press release.  The week prior to DFD is
> "Sunshine Week" in the US, and is focused on open government
> (http://www.sunshineweek.org/).  So I might try to write up something
> that connects the two, i.e., how the use of open standards helps
> promote open government.
>

I am currently working on a blog post for DFD.

> 3) Use our social media accounts to promote DFD on the day.
>

I've created a placeholder for a landing page that can be shared via
Facebook/Twitter/Google+.  This is based on the work Samer did for the
download page.  It has no content, and I probably introduced some
bugs.   But it is full of potential !


http://www.openoffice.org/social/dfd.html

>
> Anyone interested in helping?
>

Again, time is running short if we want to do something for Document
Freedom Day.

Regards,

-Rob

>
> Regards,
>
> -Rob

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Re: can the openoffice run in the unix?

[Paul Gress]

On 03/ 6/13 09:14 AM, James Lee wrote:

On 05/03/2013 18:24, Paul Gress wrote:

The only true Unix it runs on is Solaris, and only a pre-development version at 
that.

I'm running the current 3.4.1 release on regular Solaris 10 u11. [No 
"pre-development version" of AOO nor Solaris.]





Did you compile it yourself, the only version pre-compiled I can find is 3.4.0. 
 I'd be happy to install a later version.


I compiled my own for Solaris 11 with CUPS, so all my printers show up.  I 
haven't yet tried to compile a later version, my compiled version is 3.4.0 m1.  
I'd really like to see what v4.0 has in store.

Paul

Re: Input mode like standard

[Ariel Constenla-Haile]

Hi Антон,

On Wed, Mar 06, 2013 at 01:06:09AM +0400, Антон Борисов wrote:
> It is possible to make openoffice react on addon's toolbar button press
> action like standard add shape button (cursor icon changes and while moving
> mouse after mouse click on draw page appeared shape, which resizing
> according mouse movement) ?

I'm not sure I understand the question; you have some toolbar items
added by your extension, when the user presses these toolbar items you
want to do some stuff, like changing the mouse pointer, tracking mouse
movement, etc.

Did I get it right? If yes, I'm afraid you can't do that.  In
a css::awt::XWindow created by yourself, you can change the mouse
pointer and add listeners/handlers to get information about mouse events
(css::awt::XMouseClickHandler/XMouseListener/XMouseMotionHandler/XMouseMotionListener);
in the case of an AOO application, you have access to the component's
XWindow via the frame (css::frame::XFrame::getComponentWindow()), but
you can't do much with that XWindow, all events are consumed by the
application, you can add listeners but they will never get notified.

> Or all can i do is dispatching standard commandi

yes, you are limited to dispatch the command associated to your toolbar
item.

Don't know what you are trying to achieve, but you can insert a shape
with your dispatch; of course, you will miss the user interaction, size
and position must be determined by your code prior to inserting the
shape.

> and handling modifed action of drawpage ,

you get notified of every modification on the document by adding
a css::util::XModifyListener; the draw/impress model also broadcasts
some events that might be interesting for extension developers [1], but
the model does not broadcast them to client code).

[1]
http://opengrok.adfinis-sygroup.org/source/xref/aoo-trunk/main/svx/source/unodraw/unomod.cxx#133

PageOrderModified
ShapeModified
ShapeInserted
ShapeRemoved

> deleting added shape and do what i need having deleted shape
> properties?

AFAIK one way to know if a shape was inserted is tracking the number of
shapes on every page, and when the document is modified, check if the
number has changed. An alternative way of knowing when a shape is
removed is adding an event listener to every shape, because shapes are
components, and as such get disposed, and notify this (I didn't try that
myself, so it's just theory).

Broadcasting the events I quoted above would be very useful in this
case: you will get notified that a shape was inserted or removed, and
the event source will be that shape.


Regards
-- 
Ariel Constenla-Haile
La Plata, Argentina


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[Problem with Mwiki] Link to list catagories not working

[Keith N. McKenna]

At the bottom of all Create and Edit pages in mwii there is a note to 
categorize all pages with a link that calls a special page that lists 
the category tree. It is preset to look at:

 Category:Manindex
 Mode:  Categories only
 Namespace: all

When called instead of returning the category tree it returns the 
message Mainindex not found. The page notes that it requires AJAX 
functionality to work and will not work in old browsers or with 
JavaScript disabled. I am currently running Firefox 19.0 with JavaScript 
enabled.


This did work before the upgrade and is a good feature to allow people a 
quick check of Categories available.


Regards
Keith


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[PRESS MENTION] New York Times

[Donald Harbison]

Well, if you read the latest MS-Office review in today's NYT[1] you'll see
the focus mostly on the new pricing. Then at the summary the author brings
up the fact that you don't need to buy it, just grab OpenOffice.

Great mention! Onward to 100M

"Office is still enormous, complex and sprawling. It’s still about 47,000
times more software than anybody really needs. And you can still manage
perfectly well without it; Google and
OpenOffice.org still
offer free equivalents of Word, Excel and PowerPoint. They’re not anywhere
near as refined or feature-packed as Office 2013, but they get the job
done, and they make collaboration easy."

[1]
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/07/technology/personaltech/pogue-microsoft-office-365.html?pagewanted=2&_r=0&hp

Re: [Problem with Mwiki] Link to list catagories not working

[TJ Frazier]

On 3/6/2013 16:38, Keith N. McKenna wrote:

At the bottom of all Create and Edit pages in mwii there is a note to
categorize all pages with a link that calls a special page that lists
the category tree. It is preset to look at:
  Category:Manindex
  Mode:  Categories only
  Namespace: all

When called instead of returning the category tree it returns the
message Mainindex not found. The page notes that it requires AJAX
functionality to work and will not work in old browsers or with
JavaScript disabled. I am currently running Firefox 19.0 with JavaScript
enabled.

This did work before the upgrade and is a good feature to allow people a
quick check of Categories available.

Regards
Keith

I can confirm (a) Keith's results, and (b) that Category:MainIndex is 
alive and well. Something may be wrong with or around the extension that 
provides the "category tree" feature.


/tj/




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Re: [Problem with Mwiki] Link to list catagories not working

[janI]

On 6 March 2013 23:02, TJ Frazier  wrote:

> On 3/6/2013 16:38, Keith N. McKenna wrote:
>
>> At the bottom of all Create and Edit pages in mwii there is a note to
>> categorize all pages with a link that calls a special page that lists
>> the category tree. It is preset to look at:
>>   Category:Manindex
>>   Mode:  Categories only
>>   Namespace: all
>>
>> When called instead of returning the category tree it returns the
>> message Mainindex not found. The page notes that it requires AJAX
>> functionality to work and will not work in old browsers or with
>> JavaScript disabled. I am currently running Firefox 19.0 with JavaScript
>> enabled.
>>
>> This did work before the upgrade and is a good feature to allow people a
>> quick check of Categories available.
>>
>> Regards
>> Keith
>>
>>  I can confirm (a) Keith's results, and (b) that Category:MainIndex is
> alive and well. Something may be wrong with or around the extension that
> provides the "category tree" feature.
>

that might be true, if I remember correct that was one of the extensions
that was not released for our version, I will have a look at it tomorrow.

rgds
Jan I

>
> /tj/
>
>
>
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OpenOffice Remote for Android

[Rob Weir]

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=de.vrallev&hl=en

The video looks good.  Has anyone tried this app?

-Rob

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Re: Strategic Planning: Website

[Kay Schenk]

On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 11:59 AM, janI  wrote:

> On 2 March 2013 02:27, Dennis E. Hamilton  wrote:
>
> > Right, thanks.  I talk to Ward (Cunningham) practically every week, and I
> > still confuse his name with Ward Christensen when typing it in text.
> >  Christensen was a well-known CPM-80 open-source contributor from the
> > 1980s.  (In his day job, he was an IBM tech rep.)
> >
> >  - Dennis
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Joseph Schaefer [mailto:joe_schae...@yahoo.com]
> > Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 16:40
> > To: dev@openoffice.apache.org; orc...@apache.org
> > Subject: Re: Strategic Planning: Website
> >
> > His last name is Cunningham, not Christensen, and I enjoyed his bar camp
> > talk quite a bit at this year's Apachecon.
> > Pity the AOO contingent was small this time round.
> >
> > On Mar 1, 2013, at 4:34 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton 
> wrote:
> >
> > > I don't think entropy is the proper term.
> > >
> > > The physicists version that I learned was in the following form:
> > >
> > > 1. You can't win.
> > > 2. You can't even break even.
> > > 3. And you can't get out of the game.
> > >
> > > I think an appropriate concern, here, has to do with technical debt.
> >  The longer the technical debt goes unpaid, the more interest must be
> paid
> > by someone (often the users).
> > >
> > > The term was introduced by Ward Christensen (inventor of the Wiki,
> among
> > other things).  Martin Fowler has a nice perspective that discriminates
> the
> > different ways that technical debt arises (including, "if it was known
> then
> > what is known now ... ."
> > > See 
> > > and .
> > >
> > > - Dennis
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Donald Whytock [mailto:dwhyt...@gmail.com]
> > > Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 08:16
> > > To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
> > > Subject: Re: Strategic Planning: Website
> > >
> > > On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 10:19 AM, Rob Weir  wrote:
> > >> I'd love to hear your thoughts, and see your improvements or
> > corrections.
> > >
> > > "Entropy.  The longer we go without solving some of the above problems
> > > the worse things will get."
> > >
> > > I'd like to see a slightly-less-apocalyptic wording for this, in light
> > > of the public exposure and scrutiny AOO seems to receive.  Perhaps:
> > >
> > > "Entropy.  Letting problems persist is easy, and gets easier the
> > > longer it's allowed to happen.  We need to be proactive in not only
> > > recognizing the problems, but also working to solve them."
> > >
> > > Don
> > >
> >
> > I am not sure if this should go into the document or just be an
> information in here:
>
> I have had a look at the 2 wikis supported by infra. If we want to move
> away from mwiki, I think it would be relatively easy to move all content to
> moin, where as cwiki would be very hard (too limited). Of course if we
> moved someone should make a fresh layout (which is possible, since setup
> files are pr project).
>
> Given the circumstances I would promote a move away from mwiki, in order to
> move forward.
>
> Jan I.
>

Jan --

I'm assuming you mention this because of this statement (on the Website
Strategic Plan page) :

"Sustainability concerns due to our use of unsupported applications (from
Apache Infra perspective), including phpBB and MWiki and reliance on a very
small number of system admins."

Would you be willing to start a new thread on Moin with what you know about
it -- pros, cons, conversion from Mwiki, etc. And/or add comments to:

https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Website+Strategic+Plan

with what you know/suggest.


-- 

MzK

"Achieving happiness requires the right combination of Zen and Zin."

Re: Strategic Planning: Website

[Rob Weir]

On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 5:46 PM, Kay Schenk  wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 11:59 AM, janI  wrote:
>
>> On 2 March 2013 02:27, Dennis E. Hamilton  wrote:
>>
>> > Right, thanks.  I talk to Ward (Cunningham) practically every week, and I
>> > still confuse his name with Ward Christensen when typing it in text.
>> >  Christensen was a well-known CPM-80 open-source contributor from the
>> > 1980s.  (In his day job, he was an IBM tech rep.)
>> >
>> >  - Dennis
>> >
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: Joseph Schaefer [mailto:joe_schae...@yahoo.com]
>> > Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 16:40
>> > To: dev@openoffice.apache.org; orc...@apache.org
>> > Subject: Re: Strategic Planning: Website
>> >
>> > His last name is Cunningham, not Christensen, and I enjoyed his bar camp
>> > talk quite a bit at this year's Apachecon.
>> > Pity the AOO contingent was small this time round.
>> >
>> > On Mar 1, 2013, at 4:34 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > > I don't think entropy is the proper term.
>> > >
>> > > The physicists version that I learned was in the following form:
>> > >
>> > > 1. You can't win.
>> > > 2. You can't even break even.
>> > > 3. And you can't get out of the game.
>> > >
>> > > I think an appropriate concern, here, has to do with technical debt.
>> >  The longer the technical debt goes unpaid, the more interest must be
>> paid
>> > by someone (often the users).
>> > >
>> > > The term was introduced by Ward Christensen (inventor of the Wiki,
>> among
>> > other things).  Martin Fowler has a nice perspective that discriminates
>> the
>> > different ways that technical debt arises (including, "if it was known
>> then
>> > what is known now ... ."
>> > > See 
>> > > and .
>> > >
>> > > - Dennis
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > -Original Message-
>> > > From: Donald Whytock [mailto:dwhyt...@gmail.com]
>> > > Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 08:16
>> > > To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
>> > > Subject: Re: Strategic Planning: Website
>> > >
>> > > On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 10:19 AM, Rob Weir  wrote:
>> > >> I'd love to hear your thoughts, and see your improvements or
>> > corrections.
>> > >
>> > > "Entropy.  The longer we go without solving some of the above problems
>> > > the worse things will get."
>> > >
>> > > I'd like to see a slightly-less-apocalyptic wording for this, in light
>> > > of the public exposure and scrutiny AOO seems to receive.  Perhaps:
>> > >
>> > > "Entropy.  Letting problems persist is easy, and gets easier the
>> > > longer it's allowed to happen.  We need to be proactive in not only
>> > > recognizing the problems, but also working to solve them."
>> > >
>> > > Don
>> > >
>> >
>> > I am not sure if this should go into the document or just be an
>> information in here:
>>
>> I have had a look at the 2 wikis supported by infra. If we want to move
>> away from mwiki, I think it would be relatively easy to move all content to
>> moin, where as cwiki would be very hard (too limited). Of course if we
>> moved someone should make a fresh layout (which is possible, since setup
>> files are pr project).
>>
>> Given the circumstances I would promote a move away from mwiki, in order to
>> move forward.
>>
>> Jan I.
>>
>
> Jan --
>
> I'm assuming you mention this because of this statement (on the Website
> Strategic Plan page) :
>
> "Sustainability concerns due to our use of unsupported applications (from
> Apache Infra perspective), including phpBB and MWiki and reliance on a very
> small number of system admins."
>
> Would you be willing to start a new thread on Moin with what you know about
> it -- pros, cons, conversion from Mwiki, etc. And/or add comments to:
>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Website+Strategic+Plan
>
> with what you know/suggest.
>

And let's not forget alternative ways of addressing this concern:

1) Work with Infra to make MWiki be officially supported.

or

2) Form our own admin group, with dedicated list (and private list)
and work toward developing the desired level of skill backup and
redundancy.

Maybe 2 leads eventually to 1?

-Rob


>
> --
> 
> MzK
>
> "Achieving happiness requires the right combination of Zen and Zin."

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Re: [PRESS MENTION] New York Times

[Rob Weir]

On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 4:48 PM, Donald Harbison  wrote:
> Well, if you read the latest MS-Office review in today's NYT[1] you'll see
> the focus mostly on the new pricing. Then at the summary the author brings
> up the fact that you don't need to buy it, just grab OpenOffice.
>
> Great mention! Onward to 100M
>
> "Office is still enormous, complex and sprawling. It’s still about 47,000
> times more software than anybody really needs. And you can still manage
> perfectly well without it; Google and
> OpenOffice.org still
> offer free equivalents of Word, Excel and PowerPoint. They’re not anywhere
> near as refined or feature-packed as Office 2013, but they get the job
> done, and they make collaboration easy."
>

Can you reach out and correct him on the name?  The NYT should want to
get these things right.

-Rob

> [1]
> http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/07/technology/personaltech/pogue-microsoft-office-365.html?pagewanted=2&_r=0&hp

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Re: Strategic Planning: Website

[janI]

On Mar 6, 2013 11:47 PM, "Kay Schenk"  wrote:
>
> On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 11:59 AM, janI  wrote:
>
> > On 2 March 2013 02:27, Dennis E. Hamilton 
wrote:
> >
> > > Right, thanks.  I talk to Ward (Cunningham) practically every week,
and I
> > > still confuse his name with Ward Christensen when typing it in text.
> > >  Christensen was a well-known CPM-80 open-source contributor from the
> > > 1980s.  (In his day job, he was an IBM tech rep.)
> > >
> > >  - Dennis
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Joseph Schaefer [mailto:joe_schae...@yahoo.com]
> > > Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 16:40
> > > To: dev@openoffice.apache.org; orc...@apache.org
> > > Subject: Re: Strategic Planning: Website
> > >
> > > His last name is Cunningham, not Christensen, and I enjoyed his bar
camp
> > > talk quite a bit at this year's Apachecon.
> > > Pity the AOO contingent was small this time round.
> > >
> > > On Mar 1, 2013, at 4:34 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > I don't think entropy is the proper term.
> > > >
> > > > The physicists version that I learned was in the following form:
> > > >
> > > > 1. You can't win.
> > > > 2. You can't even break even.
> > > > 3. And you can't get out of the game.
> > > >
> > > > I think an appropriate concern, here, has to do with technical debt.
> > >  The longer the technical debt goes unpaid, the more interest must be
> > paid
> > > by someone (often the users).
> > > >
> > > > The term was introduced by Ward Christensen (inventor of the Wiki,
> > among
> > > other things).  Martin Fowler has a nice perspective that
discriminates
> > the
> > > different ways that technical debt arises (including, "if it was known
> > then
> > > what is known now ... ."
> > > > See 
> > > > and .
> > > >
> > > > - Dennis
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -Original Message-
> > > > From: Donald Whytock [mailto:dwhyt...@gmail.com]
> > > > Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 08:16
> > > > To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
> > > > Subject: Re: Strategic Planning: Website
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 10:19 AM, Rob Weir 
wrote:
> > > >> I'd love to hear your thoughts, and see your improvements or
> > > corrections.
> > > >
> > > > "Entropy.  The longer we go without solving some of the above
problems
> > > > the worse things will get."
> > > >
> > > > I'd like to see a slightly-less-apocalyptic wording for this, in
light
> > > > of the public exposure and scrutiny AOO seems to receive.  Perhaps:
> > > >
> > > > "Entropy.  Letting problems persist is easy, and gets easier the
> > > > longer it's allowed to happen.  We need to be proactive in not only
> > > > recognizing the problems, but also working to solve them."
> > > >
> > > > Don
> > > >
> > >
> > > I am not sure if this should go into the document or just be an
> > information in here:
> >
> > I have had a look at the 2 wikis supported by infra. If we want to move
> > away from mwiki, I think it would be relatively easy to move all
content to
> > moin, where as cwiki would be very hard (too limited). Of course if we
> > moved someone should make a fresh layout (which is possible, since setup
> > files are pr project).
> >
> > Given the circumstances I would promote a move away from mwiki, in
order to
> > move forward.
> >
> > Jan I.
> >
>
> Jan --
>
> I'm assuming you mention this because of this statement (on the Website
> Strategic Plan page) :
yes, and the discussion in the mwiki thread about support.
>
> "Sustainability concerns due to our use of unsupported applications (from
> Apache Infra perspective), including phpBB and MWiki and reliance on a
very
> small number of system admins."
>
> Would you be willing to start a new thread on Moin with what you know
about
> it -- pros, cons, conversion from Mwiki, etc. And/or add comments to:
we already have this thread and the mwiki thread, I dont really see a need
for other threads.

rgds
jan
>
>
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Website+Strategic+Plan
>
> with what you know/suggest.
>
>
> --
>

> MzK
>
> "Achieving happiness requires the right combination of Zen and Zin."

Re: Strategic Planning: Website

[Kay Schenk]

On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 3:15 PM, janI  wrote:

> On Mar 6, 2013 11:47 PM, "Kay Schenk"  wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 11:59 AM, janI  wrote:
> >
> > > On 2 March 2013 02:27, Dennis E. Hamilton 
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Right, thanks.  I talk to Ward (Cunningham) practically every week,
> and I
> > > > still confuse his name with Ward Christensen when typing it in text.
> > > >  Christensen was a well-known CPM-80 open-source contributor from the
> > > > 1980s.  (In his day job, he was an IBM tech rep.)
> > > >
> > > >  - Dennis
> > > >
> > > > -Original Message-
> > > > From: Joseph Schaefer [mailto:joe_schae...@yahoo.com]
> > > > Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 16:40
> > > > To: dev@openoffice.apache.org; orc...@apache.org
> > > > Subject: Re: Strategic Planning: Website
> > > >
> > > > His last name is Cunningham, not Christensen, and I enjoyed his bar
> camp
> > > > talk quite a bit at this year's Apachecon.
> > > > Pity the AOO contingent was small this time round.
> > > >
> > > > On Mar 1, 2013, at 4:34 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton 
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I don't think entropy is the proper term.
> > > > >
> > > > > The physicists version that I learned was in the following form:
> > > > >
> > > > > 1. You can't win.
> > > > > 2. You can't even break even.
> > > > > 3. And you can't get out of the game.
> > > > >
> > > > > I think an appropriate concern, here, has to do with technical
> debt.
> > > >  The longer the technical debt goes unpaid, the more interest must be
> > > paid
> > > > by someone (often the users).
> > > > >
> > > > > The term was introduced by Ward Christensen (inventor of the Wiki,
> > > among
> > > > other things).  Martin Fowler has a nice perspective that
> discriminates
> > > the
> > > > different ways that technical debt arises (including, "if it was
> known
> > > then
> > > > what is known now ... ."
> > > > > See 
> > > > > and .
> > > > >
> > > > > - Dennis
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > -Original Message-
> > > > > From: Donald Whytock [mailto:dwhyt...@gmail.com]
> > > > > Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 08:16
> > > > > To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
> > > > > Subject: Re: Strategic Planning: Website
> > > > >
> > > > > On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 10:19 AM, Rob Weir 
> wrote:
> > > > >> I'd love to hear your thoughts, and see your improvements or
> > > > corrections.
> > > > >
> > > > > "Entropy.  The longer we go without solving some of the above
> problems
> > > > > the worse things will get."
> > > > >
> > > > > I'd like to see a slightly-less-apocalyptic wording for this, in
> light
> > > > > of the public exposure and scrutiny AOO seems to receive.  Perhaps:
> > > > >
> > > > > "Entropy.  Letting problems persist is easy, and gets easier the
> > > > > longer it's allowed to happen.  We need to be proactive in not only
> > > > > recognizing the problems, but also working to solve them."
> > > > >
> > > > > Don
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > I am not sure if this should go into the document or just be an
> > > information in here:
> > >
> > > I have had a look at the 2 wikis supported by infra. If we want to move
> > > away from mwiki, I think it would be relatively easy to move all
> content to
> > > moin, where as cwiki would be very hard (too limited). Of course if we
> > > moved someone should make a fresh layout (which is possible, since
> setup
> > > files are pr project).
> > >
> > > Given the circumstances I would promote a move away from mwiki, in
> order to
> > > move forward.
> > >
> > > Jan I.
> > >
> >
> > Jan --
> >
> > I'm assuming you mention this because of this statement (on the Website
> > Strategic Plan page) :
> yes, and the discussion in the mwiki thread about support.
> >
> > "Sustainability concerns due to our use of unsupported applications (from
> > Apache Infra perspective), including phpBB and MWiki and reliance on a
> very
> > small number of system admins."
> >
> > Would you be willing to start a new thread on Moin with what you know
> about
> > it -- pros, cons, conversion from Mwiki, etc. And/or add comments to:
> we already have this thread and the mwiki thread, I dont really see a need
> for other threads.
>
> rgds
> jan
>

Well I do not remember a discussion about "moin" specifically. I will look.
Thanks.


> >
> >
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Website+Strategic+Plan
> >
> > with what you know/suggest.
> >
> >
> > --
> >
>
> 
> > MzK
> >
> > "Achieving happiness requires the right combination of Zen and Zin."
>



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cleanup of cwiki...

[Kay Schenk]

In our attempts to try to keep information current, do the following cwiki
entries have any relevance any more (the first  6 entries under Project
Planning)?

https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Build-Dev-Plan
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Build-QA-Plan
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Build-Translate-Plan
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Release-PPMC-Plan
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Release-Dev-Plan
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Release-Translate-Plan

Should these be archived? or perhaps deleted entirely?

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"Achieving happiness requires the right combination of Zen and Zin."

Re: [PRESS MENTION] New York Times

[Kay Schenk]

On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 1:48 PM, Donald Harbison wrote:

> Well, if you read the latest MS-Office review in today's NYT[1] you'll see
> the focus mostly on the new pricing. Then at the summary the author brings
> up the fact that you don't need to buy it, just grab OpenOffice.
>
> Great mention! Onward to 100M
>
> "Office is still enormous, complex and sprawling. It’s still about 47,000
> times more software than anybody really needs. And you can still manage
> perfectly well without it; Google and
> OpenOffice.org still
> offer free equivalents of Word, Excel and PowerPoint. They’re not anywhere
> near as refined or feature-packed as Office 2013, but they get the job
> done, and they make collaboration easy."
>
> [1]
>
> http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/07/technology/personaltech/pogue-microsoft-office-365.html?pagewanted=2&_r=0&hp
>

Ha! A great mention!

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Re: cleanup of cwiki...

[Alexandro Colorado]

I rarerly go to the cwiki nowadays. I think this info should be
archieved. if there is such a process. However I should also include
the things for 3.4.0.

On 3/6/13, Kay Schenk  wrote:
> In our attempts to try to keep information current, do the following cwiki
> entries have any relevance any more (the first  6 entries under Project
> Planning)?
>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Build-Dev-Plan
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Build-QA-Plan
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Build-Translate-Plan
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Release-PPMC-Plan
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Release-Dev-Plan
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Release-Translate-Plan
>
> Should these be archived? or perhaps deleted entirely?
>
> --
> 
> MzK
>
> "Achieving happiness requires the right combination of Zen and Zin."
>


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Re: cleanup of cwiki...

[Kay Schenk]

On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 3:50 PM, Alexandro Colorado  wrote:

> I rarerly go to the cwiki nowadays. I think this info should be
> archieved. if there is such a process. However I should also include
> the things for 3.4.0.
>

Well cwiki is part of our "public information", so this is mostly why I ask.
We do have an Archive folder.


>
> On 3/6/13, Kay Schenk  wrote:
> > In our attempts to try to keep information current, do the following
> cwiki
> > entries have any relevance any more (the first  6 entries under Project
> > Planning)?
> >
> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Build-Dev-Plan
> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Build-QA-Plan
> >
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Build-Translate-Plan
> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Release-PPMC-Plan
> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Release-Dev-Plan
> >
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Release-Translate-Plan
> >
> > Should these be archived? or perhaps deleted entirely?
> >
> > --
> >
> 
> > MzK
> >
> > "Achieving happiness requires the right combination of Zen and Zin."
> >
>
>
> --
> Alexandro Colorado
> Apache OpenOffice Contributor
> http://es.openoffice.org
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Re: [PRESS MENTION] New York Times

[Donald Harbison]

On Wednesday, March 6, 2013, Rob Weir wrote:

> On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 4:48 PM, Donald Harbison 
> >
> wrote:
> > Well, if you read the latest MS-Office review in today's NYT[1] you'll
> see
> > the focus mostly on the new pricing. Then at the summary the author
> brings
> > up the fact that you don't need to buy it, just grab OpenOffice.
> >
> > Great mention! Onward to 100M
> >
> > "Office is still enormous, complex and sprawling. It’s still about 47,000
> > times more software than anybody really needs. And you can still manage
> > perfectly well without it; Google and
> > OpenOffice.org still
> > offer free equivalents of Word, Excel and PowerPoint. They’re not
> anywhere
> > near as refined or feature-packed as Office 2013, but they get the job
> > done, and they make collaboration easy."
> >
>
> Can you reach out and correct him on the name?  The NYT should want to
> get these things right.


Yes, I plan to. Who knows maybe he wants to do a follow up.


>
> -Rob
>
> > [1]
> >
> http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/07/technology/personaltech/pogue-microsoft-office-365.html?pagewanted=2&_r=0&hp
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Re: [PRESS MENTION] New York Times

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

On 13-03-06, at 19:10 , Donald Harbison  wrote:

> On Wednesday, March 6, 2013, Rob Weir wrote:
> 
>> On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 4:48 PM, Donald Harbison 
>> >
>> wrote:
>>> Well, if you read the latest MS-Office review in today's NYT[1] you'll
>> see
>>> the focus mostly on the new pricing. Then at the summary the author
>> brings
>>> up the fact that you don't need to buy it, just grab OpenOffice.
>>> 
>>> Great mention! Onward to 100M
>>> 
>>> "Office is still enormous, complex and sprawling. It’s still about 47,000
>>> times more software than anybody really needs. And you can still manage
>>> perfectly well without it; Google and
>>> OpenOffice.org still
>>> offer free equivalents of Word, Excel and PowerPoint. They’re not
>> anywhere
>>> near as refined or feature-packed as Office 2013, but they get the job
>>> done, and they make collaboration easy."
>>> 
>> 
>> Can you reach out and correct him on the name?  The NYT should want to
>> get these things right.
> 
> 
> Yes, I plan to. Who knows maybe he wants to do a follow up.

if it helps, Pogue I think I'v corresponded with Pogue before, on OO.o—which is 
probably why he, or at any rate, his proofer, used "OpenOffice.org" and not The 
Official Name.

cheers
louis
> 
> 
>> 
>> -Rob
>> 
>>> [1]
>>> 
>> http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/07/technology/personaltech/pogue-microsoft-office-365.html?pagewanted=2&_r=0&hp
>> 
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RE: Strategic Planning: Website

[Dennis E. Hamilton]

Um, I definitely would not recommend Moin over MWiki.

I didn't realize Moin had significant infra support, concerning the amount of 
movement to the ASF CMS.

I look forward to seeing what the pros and cons are.  

 - Dennis

-Original Message-
From: Kay Schenk [mailto:kay.sch...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 14:47
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
Subject: Re: Strategic Planning: Website

On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 11:59 AM, janI  wrote:

[ ... ]
>
> I have had a look at the 2 wikis supported by infra. If we want to move
> away from mwiki, I think it would be relatively easy to move all content to
> moin, where as cwiki would be very hard (too limited). Of course if we
> moved someone should make a fresh layout (which is possible, since setup
> files are pr project).
>
> Given the circumstances I would promote a move away from mwiki, in order to
> move forward.
>
> Jan I.
>

Jan --

I'm assuming you mention this because of this statement (on the Website
Strategic Plan page) :

"Sustainability concerns due to our use of unsupported applications (from
Apache Infra perspective), including phpBB and MWiki and reliance on a very
small number of system admins."

Would you be willing to start a new thread on Moin with what you know about
it -- pros, cons, conversion from Mwiki, etc. And/or add comments to:

https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Website+Strategic+Plan

with what you know/suggest.


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RE: Strategic Planning: Website

[Dennis E. Hamilton]

+1

-Original Message-
From: Rob Weir [mailto:robw...@apache.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 14:53
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
Subject: Re: Strategic Planning: Website

[ ... ]

And let's not forget alternative ways of addressing this concern:

1) Work with Infra to make MWiki be officially supported.

or

2) Form our own admin group, with dedicated list (and private list)
and work toward developing the desired level of skill backup and
redundancy.

Maybe 2 leads eventually to 1?

-Rob


>
> --
> 
> MzK
>
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RE: Strategic Planning: Website

[Dennis E. Hamilton]

Are list threads and Community Wiki topics being confused?

-Original Message-
From: Kay Schenk [mailto:kay.sch...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 15:44
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
Subject: Re: Strategic Planning: Website

On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 3:15 PM, janI  wrote:

> On Mar 6, 2013 11:47 PM, "Kay Schenk"  wrote:
[ ... ]
> > Would you be willing to start a new thread on Moin with what you know
> about
> > it -- pros, cons, conversion from Mwiki, etc. And/or add comments to:
> we already have this thread and the mwiki thread, I dont really see a need
> for other threads.
>
> rgds
> jan
>

Well I do not remember a discussion about "moin" specifically. I will look.
Thanks.


> >
> >
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Website+Strategic+Plan
> >
> > with what you know/suggest.
> >
> >
> > --
> >
>
> 
> > MzK
> >
> > "Achieving happiness requires the right combination of Zen and Zin."
>



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Re: cleanup of cwiki...

[Rob Weir]

On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 6:53 PM, Kay Schenk  wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 3:50 PM, Alexandro Colorado  wrote:
>
>> I rarerly go to the cwiki nowadays. I think this info should be
>> archieved. if there is such a process. However I should also include
>> the things for 3.4.0.
>>
>
> Well cwiki is part of our "public information", so this is mostly why I ask.
> We do have an Archive folder.
>

Yes, I created that Archive folder and have gradually been moving
pages that were no longer relevant there.

This will make it easier if we later want to migrate to MWiki for
these.  Then we only need to to worry about the active pages.

The planning pages you link to were the pages we used to plan the
incubation process.  These pages were used before we even migrated
MWiki over to Apache.

-Rob

>
>>
>> On 3/6/13, Kay Schenk  wrote:
>> > In our attempts to try to keep information current, do the following
>> cwiki
>> > entries have any relevance any more (the first  6 entries under Project
>> > Planning)?
>> >
>> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Build-Dev-Plan
>> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Build-QA-Plan
>> >
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Build-Translate-Plan
>> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Release-PPMC-Plan
>> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Release-Dev-Plan
>> >
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Release-Translate-Plan
>> >
>> > Should these be archived? or perhaps deleted entirely?
>> >
>> > --
>> >
>> 
>> > MzK
>> >
>> > "Achieving happiness requires the right combination of Zen and Zin."
>> >
>>
>>
>> --
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>> Apache OpenOffice Contributor
>> http://es.openoffice.org
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Re: Vote now for 2013 Readers Choice Awards (About.com)

[Yue Helen]

Thanks for sharing!
+1, voted for AOO and Apache.

Helen

2013/3/5 Rob Weir 

> We've received four nominations in About.com's 2013 Readers Choice
> Awards.  In the category of Office Software we've been nominated for:
>
> -- Your Favorite Office Suite for Windows
>
> http://office.about.com/b/2013/02/19/vote-your-favorite-office-suite-for-windows.htm
>
> -- Your Favorite Business Software Solution
>
> http://office.about.com/b/2013/02/19/vote-your-favorite-business-software-solution.htm
>
> -- Your Favorite Site for Office Software Templates
>
> http://office.about.com/b/2013/02/19/vote-your-favorite-site-for-office-software-templates.htm
>
> -- Your Favorite Office Software Company for Social Responsibility
>
> http://office.about.com/b/2013/02/19/vote-on-your-favorite-office-software-company-readers-choice-awards-2013.htm
>
> For that last one the nominee is "Apache Foundation".
>
> Now comes the voting, which lasts until March 19th.  You can vote once
> per day, in each category.
>
> The website says, "Please also feel free to spread the word to your
> community!", so I suggest we do exactly that and show that not only do
> we have great software, but we also have a great community as well.
>
> As they say in Chicago, "vote early and often"
>
> Regards,
>
> -Rob
>

Re: Strategic Planning: Website

[janI]

On 7 March 2013 00:43, Kay Schenk  wrote:

> On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 3:15 PM, janI  wrote:
>
> > On Mar 6, 2013 11:47 PM, "Kay Schenk"  wrote:
> > >
> > > On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 11:59 AM, janI  wrote:
> > >
> > > > On 2 March 2013 02:27, Dennis E. Hamilton 
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Right, thanks.  I talk to Ward (Cunningham) practically every week,
> > and I
> > > > > still confuse his name with Ward Christensen when typing it in
> text.
> > > > >  Christensen was a well-known CPM-80 open-source contributor from
> the
> > > > > 1980s.  (In his day job, he was an IBM tech rep.)
> > > > >
> > > > >  - Dennis
> > > > >
> > > > > -Original Message-
> > > > > From: Joseph Schaefer [mailto:joe_schae...@yahoo.com]
> > > > > Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 16:40
> > > > > To: dev@openoffice.apache.org; orc...@apache.org
> > > > > Subject: Re: Strategic Planning: Website
> > > > >
> > > > > His last name is Cunningham, not Christensen, and I enjoyed his bar
> > camp
> > > > > talk quite a bit at this year's Apachecon.
> > > > > Pity the AOO contingent was small this time round.
> > > > >
> > > > > On Mar 1, 2013, at 4:34 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton 
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > I don't think entropy is the proper term.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The physicists version that I learned was in the following form:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 1. You can't win.
> > > > > > 2. You can't even break even.
> > > > > > 3. And you can't get out of the game.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I think an appropriate concern, here, has to do with technical
> > debt.
> > > > >  The longer the technical debt goes unpaid, the more interest must
> be
> > > > paid
> > > > > by someone (often the users).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The term was introduced by Ward Christensen (inventor of the
> Wiki,
> > > > among
> > > > > other things).  Martin Fowler has a nice perspective that
> > discriminates
> > > > the
> > > > > different ways that technical debt arises (including, "if it was
> > known
> > > > then
> > > > > what is known now ... ."
> > > > > > See 
> > > > > > and .
> > > > > >
> > > > > > - Dennis
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -Original Message-
> > > > > > From: Donald Whytock [mailto:dwhyt...@gmail.com]
> > > > > > Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 08:16
> > > > > > To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
> > > > > > Subject: Re: Strategic Planning: Website
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 10:19 AM, Rob Weir 
> > wrote:
> > > > > >> I'd love to hear your thoughts, and see your improvements or
> > > > > corrections.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Entropy.  The longer we go without solving some of the above
> > problems
> > > > > > the worse things will get."
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'd like to see a slightly-less-apocalyptic wording for this, in
> > light
> > > > > > of the public exposure and scrutiny AOO seems to receive.
>  Perhaps:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Entropy.  Letting problems persist is easy, and gets easier the
> > > > > > longer it's allowed to happen.  We need to be proactive in not
> only
> > > > > > recognizing the problems, but also working to solve them."
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Don
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I am not sure if this should go into the document or just be an
> > > > information in here:
> > > >
> > > > I have had a look at the 2 wikis supported by infra. If we want to
> move
> > > > away from mwiki, I think it would be relatively easy to move all
> > content to
> > > > moin, where as cwiki would be very hard (too limited). Of course if
> we
> > > > moved someone should make a fresh layout (which is possible, since
> > setup
> > > > files are pr project).
> > > >
> > > > Given the circumstances I would promote a move away from mwiki, in
> > order to
> > > > move forward.
> > > >
> > > > Jan I.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Jan --
> > >
> > > I'm assuming you mention this because of this statement (on the Website
> > > Strategic Plan page) :
> > yes, and the discussion in the mwiki thread about support.
> > >
> > > "Sustainability concerns due to our use of unsupported applications
> (from
> > > Apache Infra perspective), including phpBB and MWiki and reliance on a
> > very
> > > small number of system admins."
> > >
> > > Would you be willing to start a new thread on Moin with what you know
> > about
> > > it -- pros, cons, conversion from Mwiki, etc. And/or add comments to:
> > we already have this thread and the mwiki thread, I dont really see a
> need
> > for other threads.
> >
> > rgds
> > jan
> >
>
> Well I do not remember a discussion about "moin" specifically. I will look.
> Thanks.
>
Not specifically about moin, but about using mwiki or a infra supported
wiki.

jan I.

>
>
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Website+Strategic+Plan
> > >
> > > with what you know/suggest.
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> >
> >
> ---