On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 5:46 PM, Kay Schenk <[email protected]> wrote: > On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 11:59 AM, janI <[email protected]> wrote: > >> On 2 March 2013 02:27, Dennis E. Hamilton <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > Right, thanks. I talk to Ward (Cunningham) practically every week, and I >> > still confuse his name with Ward Christensen when typing it in text. >> > Christensen was a well-known CPM-80 open-source contributor from the >> > 1980s. (In his day job, he was an IBM tech rep.) >> > >> > - Dennis >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Joseph Schaefer [mailto:[email protected]] >> > Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 16:40 >> > To: [email protected]; [email protected] >> > Subject: Re: Strategic Planning: Website >> > >> > His last name is Cunningham, not Christensen, and I enjoyed his bar camp >> > talk quite a bit at this year's Apachecon. >> > Pity the AOO contingent was small this time round. >> > >> > On Mar 1, 2013, at 4:34 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > >> > > I don't think entropy is the proper term. >> > > >> > > The physicists version that I learned was in the following form: >> > > >> > > 1. You can't win. >> > > 2. You can't even break even. >> > > 3. And you can't get out of the game. >> > > >> > > I think an appropriate concern, here, has to do with technical debt. >> > The longer the technical debt goes unpaid, the more interest must be >> paid >> > by someone (often the users). >> > > >> > > The term was introduced by Ward Christensen (inventor of the Wiki, >> among >> > other things). Martin Fowler has a nice perspective that discriminates >> the >> > different ways that technical debt arises (including, "if it was known >> then >> > what is known now ... ." >> > > See <http://martinfowler.com/bliki/TechnicalDebt.html> >> > > and <http://martinfowler.com/bliki/TechnicalDebtQuadrant.html>. >> > > >> > > - Dennis >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > -----Original Message----- >> > > From: Donald Whytock [mailto:[email protected]] >> > > Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 08:16 >> > > To: [email protected] >> > > Subject: Re: Strategic Planning: Website >> > > >> > > On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 10:19 AM, Rob Weir <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> I'd love to hear your thoughts, and see your improvements or >> > corrections. >> > > >> > > "Entropy. The longer we go without solving some of the above problems >> > > the worse things will get." >> > > >> > > I'd like to see a slightly-less-apocalyptic wording for this, in light >> > > of the public exposure and scrutiny AOO seems to receive. Perhaps: >> > > >> > > "Entropy. Letting problems persist is easy, and gets easier the >> > > longer it's allowed to happen. We need to be proactive in not only >> > > recognizing the problems, but also working to solve them." >> > > >> > > Don >> > > >> > >> > I am not sure if this should go into the document or just be an >> information in here: >> >> I have had a look at the 2 wikis supported by infra. If we want to move >> away from mwiki, I think it would be relatively easy to move all content to >> moin, where as cwiki would be very hard (too limited). Of course if we >> moved someone should make a fresh layout (which is possible, since setup >> files are pr project). >> >> Given the circumstances I would promote a move away from mwiki, in order to >> move forward. >> >> Jan I. >> > > Jan -- > > I'm assuming you mention this because of this statement (on the Website > Strategic Plan page) : > > "Sustainability concerns due to our use of unsupported applications (from > Apache Infra perspective), including phpBB and MWiki and reliance on a very > small number of system admins." > > Would you be willing to start a new thread on Moin with what you know about > it -- pros, cons, conversion from Mwiki, etc. And/or add comments to: > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Website+Strategic+Plan > > with what you know/suggest. >
And let's not forget alternative ways of addressing this concern: 1) Work with Infra to make MWiki be officially supported. or 2) Form our own admin group, with dedicated list (and private list) and work toward developing the desired level of skill backup and redundancy. Maybe 2 leads eventually to 1? -Rob > > -- > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > MzK > > "Achieving happiness requires the right combination of Zen and Zin." --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected]
