Re: Is 3.4.1 still incubating?
On 22/05/2013 Juergen Schmidt wrote: http://openoffice.apache.org/downloads.html Please, nobody should spend any time on this. It's not worth the effort. I've seen other people confused by this, so I've just added a note to specify why the filename contains incubating: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?view=revisionrevision=1485595 I agree that this will be enough, no further tweaks needed. Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [buildbot] investigate nightly windows build
Hi, On 22.05.2013 20:11, Andrew Rist wrote: On 5/22/2013 3:30 AM, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote: Hi, On 21.05.2013 09:53, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote: Hi, On 17.05.2013 23:11, Andrew Rist wrote: [snip] I have seen that #621 of aoo-win7 also had this error and that you had again cleaned up the hanging processes. In order to get some error output I will switch off the HTML output (no --html option) and the multiprocessor build (no -P2 -- -P2 options) before the weekly clean build of aoo-win7 and for the aoo-w7ia2 build which is always clean. Build #113 of aoo-w7ia2 went well. The failure occured just because I forgot to disable the collection of the HTML build logs. I'm confused - was there something wrong with the w7ia2 build. The previous two builds were clean: http://ci.apache.org/builders/aoo-w7ia2 Other than stumbling over hung processes, I don't think there is an issue with ia2. We had observed the problem of the hanging process. #105 had hanging process #106 went well after your process cleaning #107, #108, #109, #110 had again problems with hanging processes #111 went well after your process cleaning #112 the first successful build without your invention #113 went well with my first temporary investigation stuff - failure just because of error in copying non-existing HTML logs. #114 went well with my second investigation stuff I decided to do some investigation stuff as the problem showed up two times in the last days. Currently, we do not hit the problem. But when it occurs again, we will have some more information due to the different logging. The problem of the current HTML logging is that we do not have it, when the hanging process error occurs. As #114 went well I will now switch on the default multiprocesses builds - 2 modules built in parallel with each using 2 make/dmake processes. Best regards, Oliver. A. May be the former errors are related to the multiprocessor build. I will switch on the multiprocessor build inside each module - -- -P2 option for the next build. Best regards, Oliver. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Alternative to ooo-extras?
Just a heads up: We are using ooo-extras [1] as reliable mirror to the upstream locations of third party code with non-permissive licenses. Today's google opensource blog [2] says that this method will stop working in 2014. We need to find an alternative. Herbert [1] https://code.google.com/a/apache-extras.org/p/ooo-extras/ [2] http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2013/05/a-change-to-google-code-download-service.html - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Alternative to ooo-extras?
On 23 May 2013 09:26, Herbert Dürr h...@apache.org wrote: Just a heads up: We are using ooo-extras [1] as reliable mirror to the upstream locations of third party code with non-permissive licenses. Today's google opensource blog [2] says that this method will stop working in 2014. We need to find an alternative. Herbert [1] https://code.google.com/a/**apache-extras.org/p/ooo-**extras/https://code.google.com/a/apache-extras.org/p/ooo-extras/ [2] http://google-opensource.**blogspot.com/2013/05/a-change-** to-google-code-download-**service.htmlhttp://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2013/05/a-change-to-google-code-download-service.html Same discussion runs on infra for apache-extra. Maybe we should move our things to apache-extra, and have them provide/maintain the service. rgds jan I. --**--**- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@openoffice.**apache.orgdev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Find a better name for sidebar?
Hello, Would not it make sense to think about the sidebar to give a distinctive name? OOo and StarOffice but were really known for standalone name of GUI elements. What I mean are terms such as Navigator, Giesskanne or Datenpilot (all German). I think the sidebar is very welcomed by our users (so much so that LibreOffice is to copy it) and I think she deserves a distinctive name. A catchy name would also be good for the marketing for the new sidebar. Is it possible to finding a name to make a brainstorming session? Or to write out a little contest? Greetings, Jörg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Find a better name for sidebar?
On Thu, 23 May 2013 10:16:55 +0200 Jörg Schmidt joe...@j-m-schmidt.de wrote: Hello, Would not it make sense to think about the sidebar to give a distinctive name? OOo and StarOffice but were really known for standalone name of GUI elements. What I mean are terms such as Navigator, Giesskanne or Datenpilot (all German). I think the sidebar is very welcomed by our users (so much so that LibreOffice is to copy it) and I think she deserves a distinctive name. A catchy name would also be good for the marketing for the new sidebar. Is it possible to finding a name to make a brainstorming session? Or to write out a little contest? Navigator is already taken (F5 key turns it on/off). Toolbar is inaccurate and in too common use; I have seen Toolbox used in other programs (years ago in CP/M and early MSDOS days). Perhaps Toolpanel? -- Rory O'Farrell ofarr...@iol.ie - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Find a better name for sidebar?
On 5/23/13 10:16 AM, Jörg Schmidt wrote: Hello, Would not it make sense to think about the sidebar to give a distinctive name? OOo and StarOffice but were really known for standalone name of GUI elements. What I mean are terms such as Navigator, Giesskanne or Datenpilot (all German). I think the sidebar is very welcomed by our users (so much so that LibreOffice is to copy it) and I think she deserves a distinctive name. A catchy name would also be good for the marketing for the new sidebar. Is it possible to finding a name to make a brainstorming session? Or to write out a little contest? well sidebar as name is now flowing around since months and now it is simply to late from my perspective. Juergen Greetings, Jörg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Find a better name for sidebar?
Hello Jürgen, *, From: Jürgen Schmidt [mailto:jogischm...@gmail.com] well sidebar as name is now flowing around since months and now it is simply to late from my perspective. You're right, but ... We should, I think, also be careful to promote our program perfectly. What relates to the sidebar, it has given me with this thinking as Thorsten (Behrends) in Diskusion at the congress in Berlin (http://www.frodev.org/odf-workshop) came under pressure for users to have to promise a sidebar for LO, without which he would have wanted that. If we can not prevent already copying our sidebar (in the spirit of free software copy is already positive), because we should not pay attention to our sidebar as something special, as the true original highlight? Please also see the difference and the potential advantage for our program - a sidebar is just a sidebar but a ...our special name for *our* sidebar... is a little bit more, is the original. Greetings, Jörg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Find a better name for sidebar?
On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 6:55 AM, Jörg Schmidt joe...@j-m-schmidt.de wrote: Please also see the difference and the potential advantage for our program - a sidebar is just a sidebar but a ...our special name for *our* sidebar... is a little bit more, is the original. +1 FC - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Find a better name for sidebar?
On 5/23/13 11:55 AM, Jörg Schmidt wrote: Hello Jürgen, *, From: Jürgen Schmidt [mailto:jogischm...@gmail.com] well sidebar as name is now flowing around since months and now it is simply to late from my perspective. You're right, but ... We should, I think, also be careful to promote our program perfectly. What relates to the sidebar, it has given me with this thinking as Thorsten (Behrends) in Diskusion at the congress in Berlin (http://www.frodev.org/odf-workshop) came under pressure for users to have to promise a sidebar for LO, without which he would have wanted that. If we can not prevent already copying our sidebar (in the spirit of free software copy is already positive), because we should not pay attention to our sidebar as something special, as the true original highlight? Please also see the difference and the potential advantage for our program - a sidebar is just a sidebar but a ...our special name for *our* sidebar... is a little bit more, is the original. we can start promote this feature already, we can create screencasts, can blog about it, can make clear where it comes from ... If LO copy the sidebar (and I am sure they will) it's a good signal and users will learn over time where the real value comes from. We are here and open for collaboration. Let people ask why they keep this fork alive and why they don't join us. TDF can continue what they are doing today but we would work on one common code base. Everything else is wasted time and wasted resources. If you want to start to do more and better marketing for AOO please do that. At the moment is important that we focus on a good AOO 4.0, work on translation, QA and bug fixes and bring the beast out. Juergen Greetings, Jörg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Find a better name for sidebar?
Hello, From: Jürgen Schmidt [mailto:jogischm...@gmail.com] we can start promote this feature already, we can create screencasts, can blog about it, can make clear where it comes from ... If LO copy the sidebar (and I am sure they will) it's a good signal and users will learn over time where the real value comes from. *If we do not take care of it, users will _not_ understand these relationships.* Please ask Oliver for example, how cleverly advertises Thorsten for LibreOffice, and which false image of AOO appears with it. I have it on the Congress in Berlin, experienced. We are here and open for collaboration. Let people ask why they keep this fork alive and why they don't join us. TDF can continue what they are doing today but we would work on one common code base. Everything else is wasted time and wasted resources. If you want to start to do more and better marketing for AOO please do that. At the moment is important that we focus on a good AOO 4.0, work on translation, QA and bug fixes and bring the beast out. A good AOO is not only good code (QA, translation, ...). Sorry, but I'm disappointed because my suggestion was only to reflect together about a better name for sidebar, maybe we can find a better name. Everything You answer me, that's my suggestion is apparently uncomfortable. It is very important to the AOO has good technical quality, but if we believe it is sufficient for success, we are wrong. Good marketing is not an optional extra but a necessity that we should all understand. But it is not so, I because I am aware of these relationships, it also can convert well ourselves. Good marketing is a task for experts, and I think Apache has these experts, but it is our task to initiate the work of these experts, first by recognizing the importance of this work. Specifically, a sound name for our bar would be good for our marketing, we need only the name before then, and not just on the edge. However, this may not work if we do not want it because we think it is not important. Greetings, Jörg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Find a better name for sidebar?
Hello, From: Rory O'Farrell [mailto:ofarr...@iol.ie] Perhaps Toolpanel? Yes, maybe. What I really am looking for is a term _that can be used without translation into all languages_. Greetings, Jörg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Find a better name for sidebar?
2013/5/23 Jörg Schmidt joe...@j-m-schmidt.de Hello, From: Rory O'Farrell [mailto:ofarr...@iol.ie] Perhaps Toolpanel? Yes, maybe. What I really am looking for is a term _that can be used without translation into all languages_. That's quite difficult, I think. Just consider that French people use octet instead of byte... Maybe it's better to find a term that it's easy to translate... In fact, I had a bit of trouble translating deck into Spanish in a way that's easy to understand. Regards Ricardo Greetings, Jörg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Find a better name for sidebar?
On 5/23/13 1:02 PM, Jörg Schmidt wrote: Hello, From: Jürgen Schmidt [mailto:jogischm...@gmail.com] we can start promote this feature already, we can create screencasts, can blog about it, can make clear where it comes from ... If LO copy the sidebar (and I am sure they will) it's a good signal and users will learn over time where the real value comes from. *If we do not take care of it, users will _not_ understand these relationships.* nobody says that we should not take care of that Please ask Oliver for example, how cleverly advertises Thorsten for LibreOffice, and which false image of AOO appears with it. I have it on the Congress in Berlin, experienced. I know that and yes we don't have the people who are doing the appropriate marketing for AOO yet. We are here and open for collaboration. Let people ask why they keep this fork alive and why they don't join us. TDF can continue what they are doing today but we would work on one common code base. Everything else is wasted time and wasted resources. If you want to start to do more and better marketing for AOO please do that. At the moment is important that we focus on a good AOO 4.0, work on translation, QA and bug fixes and bring the beast out. A good AOO is not only good code (QA, translation, ...). Sorry, but I'm disappointed because my suggestion was only to reflect together about a better name for sidebar, maybe we can find a better name. Everything You answer me, that's my suggestion is apparently uncomfortable. It is very important to the AOO has good technical quality, but if we believe it is sufficient for success, we are wrong. Good marketing is not an optional extra but a necessity that we should all understand. I understand it quite well but in the end the work have to done. The term sidebar is not new and the work is ongoing since month and we have many other things to do. I feel it very mistimed to start such a discussion now. But it is not so, I because I am aware of these relationships, it also can convert well ourselves. Good marketing is a task for experts, and I think Apache has these experts, but it is our task to initiate the work of these experts, first by recognizing the importance of this work. maybe, if such experts are somewhere they should be speak up and should let us know that they are here ;-) Juergen Specifically, a sound name for our bar would be good for our marketing, we need only the name before then, and not just on the edge. However, this may not work if we do not want it because we think it is not important. Greetings, Jörg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Find a better name for sidebar?
-Original Message- From: RGB ES [mailto:rgb.m...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 1:23 PM To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: Find a better name for sidebar? 2013/5/23 Jörg Schmidt joe...@j-m-schmidt.de Hello, From: Rory O'Farrell [mailto:ofarr...@iol.ie] Perhaps Toolpanel? Yes, maybe. What I really am looking for is a term _that can be used without translation into all languages_. That's quite difficult, I think. yes, but you can also use a synthetic word. An example of such a synthetic word (in german Kunstwort) is the name of the chocolate bar Twix (http://www.juz-nickenich.de/images/twix.jpg). The word Twix has no real content, but _everyone knows exactly what it means_. Do you understand what I mean? Greetings, Jörg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Find a better name for sidebar?
I understand it quite well but in the end the work have to done. The term sidebar is not new and the work is ongoing since month and we have many other things to do. I feel it very mistimed to start such a discussion now. You're right, a great discussion, would be at the present time, wrong. But we should not give the chance to someone suggests a word that all like so much that we feel it is right for it to use? It is not meant seriously, but let me say this, I think you believe (I do not know if that's really true) the good code (QA, ...) is _very very very much more_ important than marketing, and I think he's _just much more_ important. ;-) Greetings, Jörg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Find a better name for sidebar?
On 5/23/13 2:20 PM, Jörg Schmidt wrote: I understand it quite well but in the end the work have to done. The term sidebar is not new and the work is ongoing since month and we have many other things to do. I feel it very mistimed to start such a discussion now. You're right, a great discussion, would be at the present time, wrong. But we should not give the chance to someone suggests a word that all like so much that we feel it is right for it to use? It is not meant seriously, but let me say this, I think you believe (I do not know if that's really true) the good code (QA, ...) is _very very very much more_ important than marketing, and I think he's _just much more_ important. ;-) no you are wrong, I believe marketing is very important but I have stopped dreaming. We had already several discussion and the outcome was let's say limited... I would be happy if somebody pushed forward with good ideas and a consistent and good strategy. I no expert, I am interested in marketing and have ideas but no time... LO is probably 70-80% marketing and that is something they do quite well. Well I am not sure if I personally would support their aggressive approach, especially because I think that competition against us is stupid and completely off topic but that is something else. They are at least visible, make noise and are well know in the Linux world. And we have 50 million downloads in 1 year with a good product. But again convince me that there are people who are interested and have the skills to do good markting for AOO as well. Juergen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
svn git setup instructions.
Hi. I have now been trying for some time to get git-svn working. Can someone help me getting it to work, by giving me the n-instructions I need (maybe we should make a wiki page). I want to be able to commit locally with my smaller changes, and in svn everytime I have something that works. git-svn should be able to do that. But it seems it does not like: - merge from trunk (which I of course need from time to time) - seeing trunk and branch/l10n as 2 different branches on my disk I am obviously doing something wrong, so please let me hear how are you getting it to work ? Currently I have trunk and branches/l10n on my disk as one big svn co on ubuntu 12.04 Thanks in advance for your help. rgds jan I.
Re: Need commit help
Hi Jürgen, Jürgen Schmidt schrieb: On 5/22/13 7:27 PM, Regina Henschel wrote: Hi Ariel, thank you for correcting it. I have seen the wrong flag in my local source now. I hope, I remember next time, that inside Cygwin is not Windows and I have to use ls -l and not dir. Does it mean we have now a minimal help file for the sidebar and I should or can finally update the help translation project? Yes, I have decided to wait no longer for improvement suggestions and have committed it. It is only a single page about the sidebar window itself. Improvements and introducing the missing tooltips inside the panels can be done later. Kind regards Regina - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Alternative to ooo-extras?
janI wrote: Same discussion runs on infra for apache-extra. Maybe we should move our things to apache-extra, and have them provide/maintain the service. It's already there, right? Well, the URL says it all: https://code.google.com/a/apache-extras.org/p/ooo-extras/ So: ooo-extras is part of apache-extras, which in turn is a (possibly specially branded) Google Code project. If apache-extras gets relocated, ooo-extras will then automatically get relocated with it. Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Find a better name for sidebar?
Hello! I my self like it is more panel than bar but sidebar is quite short term. And short names are somehow more easy. Anyway how about Frank panel. Our Frank is straightforward panel. Best regards Risto Jörg Schmidt [joe...@j-m-schmidt.de] kirjoitti: Hello, Would not it make sense to think about the sidebar to give a distinctive name? OOo and StarOffice but were really known for standalone name of GUI elements. What I mean are terms such as Navigator, Giesskanne or Datenpilot (all German). I think the sidebar is very welcomed by our users (so much so that LibreOffice is to copy it) and I think she deserves a distinctive name. A catchy name would also be good for the marketing for the new sidebar. Is it possible to finding a name to make a brainstorming session? Or to write out a little contest? Greetings, Jörg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Alternative to ooo-extras?
On 23 May 2013 17:54, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote: janI wrote: Same discussion runs on infra for apache-extra. Maybe we should move our things to apache-extra, and have them provide/maintain the service. It's already there, right? Well, the URL says it all: https://code.google.com/a/**apache-extras.org/p/ooo-**extras/https://code.google.com/a/apache-extras.org/p/ooo-extras/ ups, you are quite right, I will just keep monitor that we dont get thrown off the waggon, when it changes. rgds jan I. So: ooo-extras is part of apache-extras, which in turn is a (possibly specially branded) Google Code project. If apache-extras gets relocated, ooo-extras will then automatically get relocated with it. Regards, Andrea. --**--**- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@openoffice.**apache.orgdev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
pootle server.
Hi. We have to take pootle down for about 2 hours due to a urgently needed maintenance, sorry for the short warning. Downtime is expected to be: UTC 18:00 to UTC 20:00 max. rgds jan I.
Re: svn git setup instructions.
Hi Jan, Ariel is the expert here. But perhaps some sites help you, which I have bookmarked: https://git.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/GitSvnCrashCourse http://jan-krueger.net/development/git-cheat-sheet-take-two http://utsl.gen.nz/talks/git-svn/intro.html http://trac.parrot.org/parrot/wiki/git-svn-tutorial janI schrieb: Hi. I have now been trying for some time to get git-svn working. Can someone help me getting it to work, by giving me the n-instructions I need (maybe we should make a wiki page). I think a Wiki page is a good idea. I can add only things, which I have learned as beginner, although that might be helpful for other beginners. But I'm busy in my daily job for the next month. I want to be able to commit locally with my smaller changes, and in svn everytime I have something that works. git-svn should be able to do that. But it seems it does not like: - merge from trunk (which I of course need from time to time) - seeing trunk and branch/l10n as 2 different branches on my disk I am obviously doing something wrong, so please let me hear how are you getting it to work ? Currently I have trunk and branches/l10n on my disk as one big svn co on ubuntu 12.04 Thanks in advance for your help. I'm not sure, but have a look at git stash --help. It might fit for your problems. Or the workflow described here: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4371044/will-this-git-svn-workflow-work Kind regards Regina - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Find a better name for sidebar?
On May 23, 2013, at 4:17 AM, Jörg Schmidt joe...@j-m-schmidt.de wrote: Hello, Would not it make sense to think about the sidebar to give a distinctive name? Like Awesome Panel? OOo and StarOffice but were really known for standalone name of GUI elements. What I mean are terms such as Navigator, Giesskanne or Datenpilot (all German). I think the sidebar is very welcomed by our users (so much so that LibreOffice is to copy it) and I think she deserves a distinctive name. A catchy name would also be good for the marketing for the new sidebar. Is it possible to finding a name to make a brainstorming session? Or to write out a little contest? Greetings, Jörg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [RELEASE][TRANSLATION]: changes to the README file for 4.0
On May 21, 2013, at 2:39 AM, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.com wrote: On 5/19/13 6:28 PM, Andrea Pescetti wrote: On 17/05/2013 Jürgen Schmidt wrote: https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id2300 this issue is still open and we should address it. I fixed the About issue and plan to work on the README on Tuesday. Any input or help is very much appreciated to speed up this work. I've committed an updated README so that at least we don't display outdated content. Now, depending on how you wish to proceed, the steps would be: 1) Juergen checks if there is something else to correct/add (I haven't added anything so far) 2) We ask the doc list for a native speaker to proofread the README make sense when we have reworked the file completely I volunteer to review/edit the English version prior to translation. 3) We start translation. So far, translation teams always used the full README file. If we want to port it to a PO file too (which might be helpful in the long run), the result of I think it is already a po file on Pootle aoo40/readlicense_oo/docs/readme.po For now I can live with making it correct and updated (means not outdated). But for the future it make sense if we think and work an something new and better maintainable. Thanks Juergen $ html2po -P readme.xrm readme.pot looks rather usable. Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Find a better name for sidebar?
On May 23, 2013, at 8:43 AM, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.com wrote: On 5/23/13 2:20 PM, Jörg Schmidt wrote: I understand it quite well but in the end the work have to done. The term sidebar is not new and the work is ongoing since month and we have many other things to do. I feel it very mistimed to start such a discussion now. You're right, a great discussion, would be at the present time, wrong. But we should not give the chance to someone suggests a word that all like so much that we feel it is right for it to use? It is not meant seriously, but let me say this, I think you believe (I do not know if that's really true) the good code (QA, ...) is _very very very much more_ important than marketing, and I think he's _just much more_ important. ;-) no you are wrong, I believe marketing is very important but I have stopped dreaming. We had already several discussion and the outcome was let's say limited... I would be happy if somebody pushed forward with good ideas and a consistent and good strategy. I no expert, I am interested in marketing and have ideas but no time... LO is probably 70-80% marketing and that is something they do quite well. Well I am not sure if I personally would support their aggressive approach, especially because I think that competition against us is stupid and completely off topic but that is something else. They are at least visible, make noise and are well know in the Linux world. And we have 50 million downloads in 1 year with a good product. There is is a story of a legal trial, where one of the jurors went up to the losing attorney after the trial and said, I just wanted to let you know that you did a brilliant job. Your arguments were excellent, and you were very persuasive. Unfortunately your opponent had the facts on his side. Of course the winning attorney argued well also. But he did it in a way that put the focus on the facts rather than himself. In the end results are what counts, not the appearance of exertion. A famous marketing effort is usually misdirected, wasted energy. -Rob But again convince me that there are people who are interested and have the skills to do good markting for AOO as well. Juergen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [RELEASE][TRANSLATION]: changes to the README file for 4.0
On May 23, 2013, at 1:41 PM, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.com wrote: On 5/23/13 7:33 PM, Rob Weir wrote: On May 21, 2013, at 2:39 AM, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.com wrote: On 5/19/13 6:28 PM, Andrea Pescetti wrote: On 17/05/2013 Jürgen Schmidt wrote: https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id2300 this issue is still open and we should address it. I fixed the About issue and plan to work on the README on Tuesday. Any input or help is very much appreciated to speed up this work. I've committed an updated README so that at least we don't display outdated content. Now, depending on how you wish to proceed, the steps would be: 1) Juergen checks if there is something else to correct/add (I haven't added anything so far) 2) We ask the doc list for a native speaker to proofread the README make sense when we have reworked the file completely I volunteer to review/edit the English version prior to translation. review is always good ;-) but the translation is already ongoing or even finished by some fast volunteers So did someone already review it? I don't want to duplicate effort if this was already done. But since the readme is primary material for journalists it would be good to have it polished. Rob Juergen 3) We start translation. So far, translation teams always used the full README file. If we want to port it to a PO file too (which might be helpful in the long run), the result of I think it is already a po file on Pootle aoo40/readlicense_oo/docs/readme.po For now I can live with making it correct and updated (means not outdated). But for the future it make sense if we think and work an something new and better maintainable. Thanks Juergen $ html2po -P readme.xrm readme.pot looks rather usable. Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Find a better name for sidebar?
On May 23, 2013, at 2:06 PM, Jörg Schmidt joe...@j-m-schmidt.de wrote: Hello, From: Rob Weir [mailto:rabas...@gmail.com] Would not it make sense to think about the sidebar to give a distinctive name? Like Awesome Panel? I'm not quite sure how your answer is to understand. (a) Is Awesome Panel a concrete proposal for a name for the sidebar? then: I am correct that you Awesome can translate as super? In this case, I seem super-panel as the preferred term because is super internationally, without translation, more understandable. (b) Or Awesome panel is just a general word to clarify what I mean by distinctive name? then: Yes, I mean a word of this kind More of an analogy. When Firefox enhanced their address bar they renamed it the Awesome Bar. Not sure how it was translated. general: I think now the resonance is on my post, total, too low, and I think Juergen is right that we currently have better things to do. I'm not so excited about it, but it's probably that. Greetings, Jörg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Find a better name for sidebar?
SmartPanel ? On 5/23/2013 11:06 AM, Jörg Schmidt wrote: Hello, From: Rob Weir [mailto:rabas...@gmail.com] Would not it make sense to think about the sidebar to give a distinctive name? Like Awesome Panel? I'm not quite sure how your answer is to understand. (a) Is Awesome Panel a concrete proposal for a name for the sidebar? then: I am correct that you Awesome can translate as super? In this case, I seem super-panel as the preferred term because is super internationally, without translation, more understandable. (b) Or Awesome panel is just a general word to clarify what I mean by distinctive name? then: Yes, I mean a word of this kind general: I think now the resonance is on my post, total, too low, and I think Juergen is right that we currently have better things to do. I'm not so excited about it, but it's probably that. Greetings, Jörg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Fw: [Report abuse here] [Extension Repository] Permanent spam on dict-de-DE_igerman98
Hi @all, Jörg Schmidt from the German user list gave me the tip to forward this thread to the developer list: http://www.mail-archive.com/users-de@openoffice.apache.org/msg00502.html Regards Karl Karl Zeiler schrieb am Mittwoch, 22. Mai 2013 12:55: Hallo Liste, seit etwa drei Monaten wird die Repository-Seite von *dict-de-DE_igerman98* ständig mit Kommentaren überschwemmt, die nichts anderes als Spam enthalten. Bis die Administratoren des Repository auf meine entsprechenden Mails reagieren und die Pseudo-Kommentare löschen, verging zuletzt eine ganze Woche. Das Resultat: Ein und derselbe Spammer schaffte es in dieser Zeit, über 25 Kommentare voller Spam zu platzieren. Die sind zwar gestern gelöscht worden, aber ein Nachahmer ist schon wieder am Werk ... Da dies m.E. ein unhaltbarer Zustand ist, wende ich mich hiermit auch an diese Liste. Vielleicht ist jemand unter euch, der diesem ärgerlichen Spiel ein Ende machen kann. Unten folgt noch meine x. Mail an die Admins des Repository. Gruß Karl karl.zei...@t-online.de schrieb am Mittwoch, 22. Mai 2013 12:24: kazei sent a message using the contact form at http://extensions.openoffice.org/en/contact/1050. [en] Hi admins of the repository, please keep in mind the following page: http://extensions.openoffice.org/en/project/dict-de-DE_igerman98 It now seems to have spread that spam can be uploaded here and that the admins never react immediately with deletion of comments. Spammers are almost encouraged to abuse this repository. In my opinion there is only one effective countermeasure: Please, delete the not real comments immediately and lock the above mentioned site completely for comments - or improve the filters to block spam. A copy of this mail goes to: users...@openoffice.apache.org Regards Karl (extension owner) [de] Hallo Admins des Repository, bitte behaltet folgende Seite im Blick: http://extensions.openoffice.org/en/project/dict-de-DE_igerman98 Es scheint sich mittlerweile herumgesprochen zu haben, dass hier Spam hochgeladen werden kann und dass die Admins nie sofort mit Löschung der Kommentare reagieren. Spammer werden so geradezu ermutigt, dieses Repository zu missbrauchen. Meiner Meinung nach gibt es nur eine wirksame Gegenmaßnahme: Löscht bitte die Pseudo-Kommentare sofort und sperrt die o.g. Repository-Seite komplett für Kommentare - oder verbessert die Filter, um Spam zu blockieren. Eine Kopie dieser Mail geht an: users...@openoffice.apache.org Gruß Karl (Extension-Owner) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-de-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-de-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Fw: [Report abuse here] [Extension Repository] Permanent spam on dict-de-DE_igerman98
Eliminated. It worth to say the beta site allow authors to manage spam by themselves. Look forward to go live sometimes in (early) June. Roberto 2013/5/23 Karl Zeiler karl.zei...@t-online.de: Hi @all, Jörg Schmidt from the German user list gave me the tip to forward this thread to the developer list: http://www.mail-archive.com/users-de@openoffice.apache.org/msg00502.html Regards Karl Karl Zeiler schrieb am Mittwoch, 22. Mai 2013 12:55: Hallo Liste, seit etwa drei Monaten wird die Repository-Seite von *dict-de-DE_igerman98* ständig mit Kommentaren überschwemmt, die nichts anderes als Spam enthalten. Bis die Administratoren des Repository auf meine entsprechenden Mails reagieren und die Pseudo-Kommentare löschen, verging zuletzt eine ganze Woche. Das Resultat: Ein und derselbe Spammer schaffte es in dieser Zeit, über 25 Kommentare voller Spam zu platzieren. Die sind zwar gestern gelöscht worden, aber ein Nachahmer ist schon wieder am Werk ... Da dies m.E. ein unhaltbarer Zustand ist, wende ich mich hiermit auch an diese Liste. Vielleicht ist jemand unter euch, der diesem ärgerlichen Spiel ein Ende machen kann. Unten folgt noch meine x. Mail an die Admins des Repository. Gruß Karl karl.zei...@t-online.de schrieb am Mittwoch, 22. Mai 2013 12:24: kazei sent a message using the contact form at http://extensions.openoffice.org/en/contact/1050. [en] Hi admins of the repository, please keep in mind the following page: http://extensions.openoffice.org/en/project/dict-de-DE_igerman98 It now seems to have spread that spam can be uploaded here and that the admins never react immediately with deletion of comments. Spammers are almost encouraged to abuse this repository. In my opinion there is only one effective countermeasure: Please, delete the not real comments immediately and lock the above mentioned site completely for comments - or improve the filters to block spam. A copy of this mail goes to: users...@openoffice.apache.org Regards Karl (extension owner) [de] Hallo Admins des Repository, bitte behaltet folgende Seite im Blick: http://extensions.openoffice.org/en/project/dict-de-DE_igerman98 Es scheint sich mittlerweile herumgesprochen zu haben, dass hier Spam hochgeladen werden kann und dass die Admins nie sofort mit Löschung der Kommentare reagieren. Spammer werden so geradezu ermutigt, dieses Repository zu missbrauchen. Meiner Meinung nach gibt es nur eine wirksame Gegenmaßnahme: Löscht bitte die Pseudo-Kommentare sofort und sperrt die o.g. Repository-Seite komplett für Kommentare - oder verbessert die Filter, um Spam zu blockieren. Eine Kopie dieser Mail geht an: users...@openoffice.apache.org Gruß Karl (Extension-Owner) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-de-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-de-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Is 3.4.1 still incubating?
Am 05/23/2013 09:04 AM, schrieb Andrea Pescetti: On 22/05/2013 Juergen Schmidt wrote: http://openoffice.apache.org/downloads.html Please, nobody should spend any time on this. It's not worth the effort. I've seen other people confused by this, so I've just added a note to specify why the filename contains incubating: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?view=revisionrevision=1485595 OK, when there is a real confusion then of course the effort it worth it. Thanks, Andrea, for taking over. Marcus I agree that this will be enough, no further tweaks needed. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Find a better name for sidebar?
Jörg Schmidt wrote: reflect together about a better name for sidebar, maybe we can find a better name. Call it OpenBar then. Open like OpenOffice. Bar like in Toolbar. And Open Bar like get everything you want for free. Oh well. Everything You answer me, that's my suggestion is apparently uncomfortable. It isn't. You raised a point that is indeed new. Nobody so far had thought about the naming issue. But I agree that you have a point here: if it is a unique feature, it makes sense to at least think about a possible cute name for it. You contributed a fresh point of view into the project, and nobody complained about this. It is very important to the AOO has good technical quality, but if we believe it is sufficient for success, we are wrong. Our developers are very reasonable people. Juergen gave pragmatic answers... that were totally to be expected if you come up with this idea on the same day when we finalize the help contents for translation! But for sure our developers do not expect to be worshipped and they are very friendly towards the community at large (remember, they do subscribe to this list and live with it despite the huge amount of non-technical content here). So I don't agree with your opinion that developers cannot see that marketing is important: they do see it, but their day-to-day concern is to produce high-quality software... and give other volunteers awesome software to promote! Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Find a better name for sidebar?
I don't if it's really to late for finding a handy name for the biggest new feature in AOO. This has to be defined by others. :-) However, if we have some time, I have to say that SuperPanel or SmartPanel are good proposals what can be done by this UI element: Use the panel to do you work in a super smart and super fast way. It's better to discover your tools and styles in a single location than to poke for them in every toolbox and dialog. My 2 ct. Marcus Am 05/23/2013 08:34 PM, schrieb Andrew Rist: SmartPanel ? On 5/23/2013 11:06 AM, Jörg Schmidt wrote: Hello, From: Rob Weir [mailto:rabas...@gmail.com] Would not it make sense to think about the sidebar to give a distinctive name? Like Awesome Panel? I'm not quite sure how your answer is to understand. (a) Is Awesome Panel a concrete proposal for a name for the sidebar? then: I am correct that you Awesome can translate as super? In this case, I seem super-panel as the preferred term because is super internationally, without translation, more understandable. (b) Or Awesome panel is just a general word to clarify what I mean by distinctive name? then: Yes, I mean a word of this kind general: I think now the resonance is on my post, total, too low, and I think Juergen is right that we currently have better things to do. I'm not so excited about it, but it's probably that. Greetings, Jörg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Find a better name for sidebar?
On 5/23/2013 3:52 PM, Marcus (OOo) wrote: I don't if it's really to late for finding a handy name for the biggest new feature in AOO. This has to be defined by others. :-) However, if we have some time, I have to say that SuperPanel or SmartPanel are good proposals and possibly SmartBar (or is that a snack food?) what can be done by this UI element: Use the panel to do you work in a super smart and super fast way. It's better to discover your tools and styles in a single location than to poke for them in every toolbox and dialog. My 2 ct. Marcus Am 05/23/2013 08:34 PM, schrieb Andrew Rist: SmartPanel ? On 5/23/2013 11:06 AM, Jörg Schmidt wrote: Hello, From: Rob Weir [mailto:rabas...@gmail.com] Would not it make sense to think about the sidebar to give a distinctive name? Like Awesome Panel? I'm not quite sure how your answer is to understand. (a) Is Awesome Panel a concrete proposal for a name for the sidebar? then: I am correct that you Awesome can translate as super? In this case, I seem super-panel as the preferred term because is super internationally, without translation, more understandable. (b) Or Awesome panel is just a general word to clarify what I mean by distinctive name? then: Yes, I mean a word of this kind general: I think now the resonance is on my post, total, too low, and I think Juergen is right that we currently have better things to do. I'm not so excited about it, but it's probably that. Greetings, Jörg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Just an FYI! BZ OpenOffice seems to be down at the moment...
Hopefully we'll get it back soon. :/ -- MzK You can't believe one thing and do another. What you believe and what you do are the same thing. -- Leonard Peltier
Re: Is 3.4.1 still incubating?
2013/5/23 Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org: On 22/05/2013 Juergen Schmidt wrote: http://openoffice.apache.org/downloads.html Please, nobody should spend any time on this. It's not worth the effort. I've seen other people confused by this, so I've just added a note to specify why the filename contains incubating: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?view=revisionrevision=1485595 I agree that this will be enough, no further tweaks needed. +1 Albino - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: svn git setup instructions.
2013/5/23 Regina Henschel rb.hensc...@t-online.de: Ariel is the expert here. But perhaps some sites help you, which I have bookmarked: https://git.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/GitSvnCrashCourse http://jan-krueger.net/development/git-cheat-sheet-take-two http://utsl.gen.nz/talks/git-svn/intro.html http://trac.parrot.org/parrot/wiki/git-svn-tutorial I think git is more efficient than the svn. Albino - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: email program
2013/5/20 Mechtilde o...@mechtilde.de: Am 20.05.2013 06:45, schrieb Leonie Eastergaard: Hi does open office have a email program There is a free (as in freedom) E-Mal program named thunderbird from the Mozilla Foundation. Or icedove. Albino - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Find a better name for sidebar?
On 5/23/2013 5:29 PM, Andrew Rist wrote: On 5/23/2013 3:52 PM, Marcus (OOo) wrote: I don't if it's really to late for finding a handy name for the biggest new feature in AOO. This has to be defined by others. :-) However, if we have some time, I have to say that SuperPanel or SmartPanel are good proposals and possibly SmartBar (or is that a snack food?) what can be done by this UI element: Use the panel to do you work in a super smart and super fast way. It's better to discover your tools and styles in a single location than to poke for them in every toolbox and dialog. My 2 ct. Marcus Am 05/23/2013 08:34 PM, schrieb Andrew Rist: - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org I understand people thinking it is too late to make a change but I also think Jörg has made an excellent point. I see the purpose of the side bar as allowing one to work faster by gathering many common functions. I haven't been able to think of a name I like that communicates the speed aspect. Perhaps Favorites Bar, with its allusion to a browser feature, might incline people to try the new tool. Best regards, Francis - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
