Re: Forward planning for OO 5.0

[Mathias Röllig]

Hello Rory!

No answer till now!?


Now that OO 4.1 is released (and the tidy up of loose ends is in
progress), perhaps it is time to start discussion on proposals for
improvements and additions to OO 5.0.

Where should this best be done?


Is here the best place? And how should it be discussed - every 
suggestion in one thread or one thread for one AOO module?


What should be the main intention for acceptable improvements and additions?

Greetings, Mathias

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Suggestion (1) for summer of code project

[Rory O'Farrell]

Macro/extension/Add-in to indicate a section of text has been directly modified 
from the underlying Style.

-- 
Rory O'Farrell 

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Re: I would like to volunteer as technical writer

[Kay Schenk]

On 05/16/2014 06:05 AM, archana nagarajan wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I am a Middleware Administrator with vast experience on a range of products
> like Weblogic, Apache HTTP server, IBM Websphere MQ, JBOSs etc. I have
> produced a lot of documentation during my stint as technical lead for
> various banking/financial projects. I owe 99% of my expertise to the
> knowledge I gleaned from technical information freely available on the
> internet and I am interested in 'giving back' in some way to the open
> source community. I came across this "Call for Volunteers" while surfing
> and would like to contribute as a technical writer in any way possible, if
> you need me.
> 
> Please feel free to reach out to me on archananagara...@gmail.com
> 
> Regards
> Archana
> 

Hello Archana and thanks for the note.

It sounds like you need to get in touch with the folks on the
documentation development list for sure. See mailing list details here
-- http://openoffice.apache.org/mailing-lists.html



We also recommend that new volunteers go through our orientation
modules. You can find them here --
http://openoffice.apache.org/orientation/index.html

Welcome!



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Re: New Dev Volunteer

[Andrea Pescetti]

On 11/05/2014 Lewie Fitz wrote:

My name is Lewie, and I am interested in doing some dev work on Open
Office.


Welcome, and thank you for volunteering! We have experienced delays with 
mail delivery, so it is possible that someone already answered, but as a 
basic step make sure you can build OpenOffice: please follow 
https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Building_Guide_AOO and 
ask if you experience any problems. And anyway, please let us know when 
you have a working build.



I noticed that the Draw program has a Zoom toolbar but the
Writer program does not. I would like to mess with the code to see if I
can implement the Zoom toolbar and its buttons for Write.


I believe that in Writer most users rely on the bottom-right slider or 
on the single Zoom icon. But indeed having a dedicated toolbar can be 
handy. I don't know where to look in the code for this, but I hope that 
one of the experienced developers who are on this mailing list answers 
by the time you get your build done.


Also note: you are not subscribed, so you may miss answers. See 
http://openoffice.apache.org/mailing-lists.html#users-mailing-list-public for 
subscription options and archives.


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  Andrea.

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Re: Improving OpenOffice's User Experience

[Jürgen Schmidt]

Hi Brennan,

first of all sorry for the late response, we had a mail outage at Apache
and mails are coming in with a huge delay. But anyway thanks for sharing
your experience with us and proposing some good ideas how to improve
this. There is indeed a lot of room for improvements.

Your described problem is also valid and should be fixed ...

OpenOffice has a lot of room for improvements in the UX area and your
help is very appreciated. If you are interested to work closer with the
project and help us in this area you should subscribe to this mailing
list to get the replies directly.

Kind regards

Juergen



On 08/05/14 16:55, Brennan Novak wrote:
> Hello OpenOffice Team, 
> 
> My name is Brennan. I am a user experience designer & engineer, I am 
> currently building the FOSS crypto-webmail project Mailpile... perhaps you 
> have heard of it :)
> 
> Here is a link explaining the current user experience flow which I 
> experienced as a major pain point this morning trying to file my first 
> OpenOffice bug report:
> 
> https://brennannovak.com/notes/432
> 
> I believe my initial bug is quite valid and should be fixed. But, I also 
> believe that it is equally valid to improve the user experience of reporting 
> bugs themselves- the 10 step process I found myself in was a quagmire that I 
> almost gave up on, but I resolved when I started working on Mailpile to be 
> better member of the FOSS community and to strive to report UX bugs by giving 
> other FOSS projects more patience, empathy, and effort to help them improve!
> 
> I realize that making it easier to file bugs will probably increase your 
> volume of bugs filed (certainly a mixed blessing), and that this will require 
> more filtering & diligence from your team to weed through them. I am 
> completely unaware of what resources OO has and how feasible this, but it 
> seems fortuitous to improve things a bit from the current state.
> 
> I have numerous other improvement ideas I have encountered in the setup and 
> updating flows of OpenOffice and would be willing to share them, so long as 
> it is helpful to your team!
> 
> Sincerely, 
> Brennan Novak
> Mailpile - taking email back!
> https://mailpile.is
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Macro does not working

[Mathias Röllig]

Hello Vladislav!

Am 05.05.2014 21:46, schrieb Vladislav Stevanovic:

@Mathias
I am sorry, I attached wrong file. Please, try to open this file and the
same dialog.I get that problem is next line in my code:
PronadjiArtikal.getAccessibleContext().doAccessibleAction(0)
The question is: how this is not problem in AOO 4.0.1?


Though the name of the dialog is also false in this document, I found 
the problematic code line.


But because I don't understand your language it is very difficult (and 
much time consming) for me to explain, what is the goal of the macro.


Please provide a example document that only shows the problematic piece 
of code. If it possible with a little english comment what it should do, 
what you expect.


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Seperate User Directories

[Steele, Raymond]

I compiled OpenOffice and  extracted the archive located at 
main/instsetoo_native/unxsoli4.pro/Apache_OpenOffice/archive/install/en-US/ top 
my /opt directory. However, it appears that during runtime of the Application 
the user private directory is located in /opt/openoffice4/.openoffice/4/user,  
which is global to all users. How do I configure the private user directories 
to be created in the users home directory to prevent a .lock file from 
preventing another user access to using the application?

Raymond

Re: Separate User Directories

[Kay Schenk]

On 05/16/2014 09:36 AM, Steele, Raymond wrote:
> I am sending this question again because I did not see that it posted
> to the mailing list yesterday.
> 
> From: Steele, Raymond Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2014 2:35 PM To:
> dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Seperate User Directories
> 
> I compiled OpenOffice and  extracted the archive located at
> main/instsetoo_native/unxsoli4.pro/Apache_OpenOffice/archive/install/en-US/
> top my /opt directory. However, it appears that during runtime of the
> Application the user private directory is located in
> /opt/openoffice4/.openoffice/4/user,  which is global to all users.
> How do I configure the private user directories to be created in the
> users home directory to prevent a .lock file from preventing another
> user access to using the application?
> 
> Raymond
> 

Just to clarify. You installed OpenOffice to your *own* /opt directory
or the system one from the root level?

When I install AOO on my system as root to the system opt directory
/opt/openoffice4, and then run it as my own userid on my system, my
.openoffice/4 directory is created in my own user space, so this IS my
own home directory. So this ends up in $HOME/.openoffice/4/

I think the behavior you're seeing would be expected if you installed
openoffice in your own /opt directory vs the system one and installed as
root etc.
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Suggestion (3) for summer of code project

[Rory O'Farrell]

A setting to prevent Writer hyphenating the last word on a page. Page-end 
hyphens are bad typesetting practice. 

-- 
Rory O'Farrell 

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Re: [Proposal] Update Icons for AOO 4.1

[circulars]

Dave: Many thanks for your very kind reply. 
However it's a different dialog. The 'Paragraph Style' dialog allows all the 
attributes of the style the cursor happens to be in at the time to be edited - 
including the paragraph settings. 
On a mac it can only be accessed by control click, then selecting 'edit 
paragraph style...' from the menu. Have presumed that equates to a right click 
menu on other operating systems, but perhaps its a left click. Sorry if my 
original message was misleading in that respect.
There is currently no icon for this dialog, nor is there a menu item. Hence 
there is no way it can be added by customising.
The reason it is so important is that it is the only foolproof way to edit a 
paragraph style or check its attributes, and the only way (know to me, at 
least) to customise the built-in styles.
Stay happy

- Original Message -
From: Dave Barton
Sent: 05/14/14 02:26 PM
To: circul...@gmx.com
Subject: Re: [Proposal] Update Icons for AOO 4.1

 Original Message 
From:  circul...@gmx.com 
To:  dev@openoffice.apache.org 
Date: Wed, 14 May 2014 13:37:40 +0100
Copy of my post to the list:

 circul...@gmx.com  wrote:If it is not too late, would it be possible to 
include an icon in Writer to open the paragraph style dialogue? This is a vital 
tool: It is the only foolproof way to fully set up styles, also to check what 
the attributes are.
The icon is already available, just use the customize option. I have sent you a 
pm illustrating the necessary selections. (See attached.)
At present it is only accessible via the right click menu then choosing 'edit 
paragraph style...' No icon, no menu item.
In the default "Format" menu there is a "Paragraph..." option to open the 
paragraph style dialog.
Sorry for the late request: only joined this mailing list a couple of days ago, 
so was entirely unaware this was in train.
Dave

Re: Do I have permission?

[Andrea Pescetti]

On 15/05/2014 kasper siig wrote:

To OpenOffice I am currently developing a website about math, where
you can download spreadsheets. So I am using your software Open
Office to develop those spreadsheets. My question is, am I allowed to
sell those spreadsheets, so people can download them?


The OpenOffice license does not impose constraints on the license of 
documents created with OpenOffice. So you can apply the license you wish 
to your documents. See http://www.apache.org/licenses/LICENSE-2.0.html 
for complete legal information.


Regards,
  Andrea.

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Possible broken link: 3.4.1_checksums

[Roland Derouen]

Sent from my iPhone

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Reporting a problem with the OpenOffice website

[Bill Ryan]

Hello,

I have found many search engines have http:// links to your site, the http:// 
links do not appear to be working at the moment. I am able to get around this 
by modifying the URL to https:// but there are people out there who would have 
no idea they need to do this to get to your site so I suggestion you put a 
redirector in for port 80 to 443. Thanks!

Bill Ryan
Systems Administrator
HP Fairfield
9 Green St
Skowhegan ME , 04976
Direct: 207.858.7601
billr...@hpfairfield.com
http://www.hpfairfield.com

[cid:image001.jpg@01CF7107.1611AA80]   [cid:image002.jpg@01CF7107.1611AA80]

Do I have permission?

[kasper siig]

To OpenOffice
I am currently developing a website about math, where you can download 
spreadsheets. So I am using your software Open Office to develop those 
spreadsheets. My question is, am I allowed to sell those spreadsheets, so 
people can download them?
RegardsKasper Siig

Separate User Directories

[Steele, Raymond]

I am sending this question again because I did not see that it posted to the 
mailing list yesterday.

From: Steele, Raymond
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2014 2:35 PM
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
Subject: Seperate User Directories

I compiled OpenOffice and  extracted the archive located at 
main/instsetoo_native/unxsoli4.pro/Apache_OpenOffice/archive/install/en-US/ top 
my /opt directory. However, it appears that during runtime of the Application 
the user private directory is located in /opt/openoffice4/.openoffice/4/user,  
which is global to all users. How do I configure the private user directories 
to be created in the users home directory to prevent a .lock file from 
preventing another user access to using the application?

Raymond

Re: openExpo conference in madrid june 26.

[Andrea Pescetti]

On 15/05/2014 jan iversen wrote:

I have been invited to give one of the
keynote speeches at a one day conference in madrid june 26


Good. I'll be terse since delivery delays are making most of the 
conversations here fruitless.



Is there any chance we could use a bit of our budget to create/print
stickers ? or do anyone have some ?


See my conversation with Detlef in the archives. Maybe we can take the 
occasion for preparing materials in several languages.


Regards,
  Andrea.

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Re: Improving OpenOffice's User Experience

[Andrew Rist]

On 5/15/2014 11:22 AM, Andrea Pescetti wrote:

On 08/05/2014 Brennan Novak wrote:

Here is a link explaining the current user experience flow which I
experienced as a major pain point this morning trying to file my
first OpenOffice bug report:
https://brennannovak.com/notes/432


Thanks for this! How come you started from the SourceForge mirrors 
page? Well, indeed at times users follow paths that one could not 
imagine.
With SourceForge being the official download location, it is an obvious 
place to start.  We should take a look at those pages with this process 
in mind.
That said, I tried the Google with "file a bug openoffice" and it led me 
to this page (first hit):
Report Bugs: Quality Assurance - OpenOffice.org 



I think that does a pretty good job of describing the important information.



And probably at step 4 you missed to note that you were also taken to 
the wiki, that in turn sent you back to the main openoffice.org site 
since "the instructions there are more detailed". It must have been 
fun in some way, but it is something we can definitely streamline.


Do you know what the "assumed" user path was? We assumed that you 
would open http://openoffice.org then click on "Contact Us" and see 
the "If you want to submit a bug report..." section in 
http://www.openoffice.org/contact_us.html which would have taken you 
to the right place.



I realize that making it easier to file bugs will probably increase
your volume of bugs filed (certainly a mixed blessing)


We have an intermediate "Contact us" page that we could use to prevent 
Bugzilla from being flooded. I opened 
https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=124912 to capture your 
suggestions, let's see if we manage to improve this in the next version.



I have numerous other improvement ideas I have encountered in the
setup and updating flows of OpenOffice and would be willing to share
them, so long as it is helpful to your team!


Sure it is! If you have any other suggestions, please share them. Some 
will be easy to implement, some will take more time or need 
discussion, but it will be very good to hear your ideas.


Regards,
  Andrea.

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Re: Brochure (booklet) printing

[Regina Henschel]

Hi Uwe,

Uwe Peters, NW schrieb:

I used MS Office all the time and had no problems with brochure (booklet) 
printing on my Canon resp. Brother Printers.

Since I changed completely to MAC (OS X 10.9) I use OpenOffice. Unfortunately 
it does not allow brochure (booklet)  printing
on the same printers although OpenOffice says so in the printing window. I 
tried it, the result, though, was a complete disorder.


What do you mean by "complete disorder". A document with pages 
1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8 should be printed


First sheet, front:  8 1
First sheet, back:   2 7
Second sheet, front: 6 3
Second sheet, back:  4 5

How do you try to do it? On Windows, OpenOffice has the brochure 
printing option in the printing dialog on tab "Page Layout". In that 
case you do not use any brochure feature of the printers. Does that 
exist on MAC too?


Or do you use a brochure feature of the printer?

Is it a duplex printer? Or do you need to turn the paper manually? In 
the latter case, has the printer a wizard for it?


How do you organize your document? The correct way would be to write on 
DIN A5 portrait page size and print on paper in DIN A4 landscape. 
Examine the preview carefully. OpenOffice might not choose the correct 
paper size automatically, but you have to set it explicitly in the 
printer properties.


You should also try to print a brochure using Acrobat Reader (available 
on Mac?)


Kind regards
Regina



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I would like to volunteer as technical writer

[archana nagarajan]

Hello,

I am a Middleware Administrator with vast experience on a range of products
like Weblogic, Apache HTTP server, IBM Websphere MQ, JBOSs etc. I have
produced a lot of documentation during my stint as technical lead for
various banking/financial projects. I owe 99% of my expertise to the
knowledge I gleaned from technical information freely available on the
internet and I am interested in 'giving back' in some way to the open
source community. I came across this "Call for Volunteers" while surfing
and would like to contribute as a technical writer in any way possible, if
you need me.

Please feel free to reach out to me on archananagara...@gmail.com

Regards
Archana

Re: extend Subject with product in emails from bugzilla

[Andrea Pescetti]

On 07/05/2014 Mathias Röllig wrote:

Is there be a possibility to extend the subject in automatic generated
emails from bugzilla? ...
[Issue ][] 
e. g. [Issue 0][Calc] Something wrong


I agree this would be a nice improvement.

But honestly I don't know if this is hard to do (I assume it's simple, 
but I don't know) and who can do it.


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Re: New Dev Volunteer

[Kay Schenk]

On 05/11/2014 11:35 AM, Lewie Fitz wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> My name is Lewie, and I am interested in doing some dev work on Open
> Office. I noticed that the Draw program has a Zoom toolbar but the
> Writer program does not. I would like to mess with the code to see if I
> can implement the Zoom toolbar and its buttons for Write. I have
> downloaded the code, but it's a lot bigger than I thought it would be,
> and I would like some guidance as to which files are involved in
> defining default toolbars and buttons. Is there an application
> architecture map that might help me locate myself in the code base? Thanks!
> 
> Lewie

Thanks for the introduction, Lewie. We'd love to hear more about your
development idea and answer any questions you may have.

You may want to take a look at our orientation modules as well.
http://openoffice.apache.org/orientation/index.html


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Re: Improving OpenOffice's User Experience

[Tal Daniel]

+1 for Adding a "Report a bug/issue" link, that will open Bugzilla/issues
site.

Making it easier for people to reports bugs conveys an implicit message of
"we want your feedback".

Brennan, did you file your idea as an enhancemet request?

Tal


On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 5:55 PM, Brennan Novak  wrote:

> Hello OpenOffice Team,
>
> My name is Brennan. I am a user experience designer & engineer, I am
> currently building the FOSS crypto-webmail project Mailpile... perhaps you
> have heard of it :)
>
> Here is a link explaining the current user experience flow which I
> experienced as a major pain point this morning trying to file my first
> OpenOffice bug report:
>
> https://brennannovak.com/notes/432
>
> I believe my initial bug is quite valid and should be fixed. But, I also
> believe that it is equally valid to improve the user experience of
> reporting bugs themselves- the 10 step process I found myself in was a
> quagmire that I almost gave up on, but I resolved when I started working on
> Mailpile to be better member of the FOSS community and to strive to report
> UX bugs by giving other FOSS projects more patience, empathy, and effort to
> help them improve!
>
> I realize that making it easier to file bugs will probably increase your
> volume of bugs filed (certainly a mixed blessing), and that this will
> require more filtering & diligence from your team to weed through them. I
> am completely unaware of what resources OO has and how feasible this, but
> it seems fortuitous to improve things a bit from the current state.
>
> I have numerous other improvement ideas I have encountered in the setup
> and updating flows of OpenOffice and would be willing to share them, so
> long as it is helpful to your team!
>
> Sincerely,
> Brennan Novak
> Mailpile - taking email back!
> https://mailpile.is
>
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Re: [Proposal] Update Icons for AOO 4.1

[circulars]

Thanks - Covered this in my response yesterday. The paragraph style dialogue is 
entirely different from the paragraph dialogue and is used for editing styles 
(which may include paragraph settings, obviously).
- Original Message -
From: Tal Daniel
Sent: 05/14/14 05:18 PM
To: dev
Subject: Re: [Proposal] Update Icons for AOO 4.1

On Wed, May 14 circul...@gmx.com wrote: > If it is not too late, would it be 
possible to include an icon in Writer > to open the paragraph style dialogue? 
This is a vital tool: It is the only > foolproof way to fully set up styles, 
also to check what the attributes are. > > At present it is only accessible via 
the right click menu then choosing > 'edit paragraph style...' No icon, no menu 
item. This isn't accurate: Paragraph is availabe from Format > Paragraph... (as 
in Office). And, there IS an option to add the paragraph button, if you use it 
allot, by pressing the "more" triangle in the Formatting toolbar > Visible 
Buttons. There, choose Paragraph button (last).

Re: [www] NEW language Selection Dropdown!

[Kay Schenk]

On 05/15/2014 02:10 PM, Tal Daniel wrote:
> On Thu, May 15, Kay Schenk wrote:
> 
>> OK, this is looking interesting, but...please revert this change as the
>> next "real" publish is likely to make this live and we probably don't want
>> to do this yet without further review.
>>
>> So, please do the following --
>>
>> * copy the revised version of brand.mdtext to the /test directory (we
>> can then review this further)
>> * revert your brand.mdtext change at the top level
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>>
> Kay, I reverted /templates/brand.html to revision before my changes
> (robweir).
> No changes in brand.mdtext, apart from localized site (he), which still
> functions.
> So, there are no apparent changes in the ooo-site now.
> 
> I'm not sure how we're going to test this, since now the feature isn't
> online, and I didn't find a way to override the brand.html template within
> a localized site, or /test; it's a global template.
> 
> Anyway, I've created a branch -
> templates/brand-branch-with-language-select.html, so save template changes,
> for future testing.
> Please help in testing it, in the near future. My tests showed that all
> redirections work properly in Chrome. Default-selected language is selected
> according to the language defined in brand.mdtext (for example, see
> /xx/brand.mdtext or /he/brand.mdtext).
> 
> Tal

OK, thanks for doing this. Really, we don't make changes for review to
the main site page directly -- ever.

On what you're trying to accomplish. I think (maybe?) we can duplicate
the top-level structure found in the main "content" directory in /test.
I think I actually did this at one point testing something in the past.

So, try this and set up the following in /content/test

/test
brand.mdtext <-- maybe not needed ?

/test/templates <-- copy some existing /content/templates stuff here
(the.html files) and make changes

We really need to stay in "/test" somehow for this. I can help more with
this after this weekend.

> 
> 
> 
>> On 05/14/2014 01:21 AM, Tal Daniel wrote:
>>> On Wed, May 14 I wrote:
>>>
 Following my suggestion, I've changed the brand.html template to show a
 lanaugage selection dropdown on all sites (currently available on
>> staging
 sites only - http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/).

>>>
>>> To see a working example, select עברית (Hebrew) from the dropdown menu.
>>
> 
>>
> 

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Re: Improving OpenOffice's User Experience

[circulars]

Me too for the link.
Would suggest that the triaging of bugs could also be usefully improved from 
the bug reporters perspective. Too many are still falling through into the 
unconfirmed black hole even when indisputably there is problem. This is 
ultimately discouraging for the reporter, all the more so when responses go 
unanswered.
One reason seems to be for lack of sufficient detail to replicate the bug from 
scratch, even though its existence is not in dispute.  *Issue 124772* 
https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=124772  is an example. 
An improvement might be for 'confirmed' to mean that the bug, fault, problem or 
whatever it is has been confirmed to exist - and no more than that. Then have a 
second category - struggling for a name - for bugs that are sufficiently 
reproducable documented to go forward for rectification.
An additional reason is a lack of definition of what a bug actually is.  *Issue 
124886* https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=124886  ends up as a 
nasty rounding error, not a bug, so remains unconfirmed. So what do you do 
about those?
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From: Tal Daniel
Sent: 05/16/14 10:06 AM
To: dev
Subject: Re: Improving OpenOffice's User Experience

+1 for Adding a "Report a bug/issue" link, that will open Bugzilla/issues site. 
Making it easier for people to reports bugs conveys an implicit message of "we 
want your feedback". Brennan, did you file your idea as an enhancemet request? 
Tal On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 5:55 PM, Brennan Novak  
wrote: > Hello OpenOffice Team, > > My name is Brennan. I am a user experience 
designer & engineer, I am > currently building the FOSS crypto-webmail project 
Mailpile... perhaps you > have heard of it :) > > Here is a link explaining the 
current user experience flow which I > experienced as a major pain point this 
morning trying to file my first > OpenOffice bug report: > > 
https://brennannovak.com/notes/432 > > I believe my initial bug is quite valid 
and should be fixed. But, I also > believe that it is equally valid to improve 
the user experience of > reporting bugs themselves- the 10 step process I found 
myself in was a > quagmire that I almost gave up on, but I resolved when 
 I started working on > Mailpile to be better member of the FOSS community and 
to strive to report > UX bugs by giving other FOSS projects more patience, 
empathy, and effort to > help them improve! > > I realize that making it easier 
to file bugs will probably increase your > volume of bugs filed (certainly a 
mixed blessing), and that this will > require more filtering & diligence from 
your team to weed through them. I > am completely unaware of what resources OO 
has and how feasible this, but > it seems fortuitous to improve things a bit 
from the current state. > > I have numerous other improvement ideas I have 
encountered in the setup > and updating flows of OpenOffice and would be 
willing to share them, so > long as it is helpful to your team! > > Sincerely, 
> Brennan Novak > Mailpile - taking email back! > https://mailpile.is > > > 
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Re: Improving OpenOffice's User Experience

[circulars]

What about adding 'report a bug' as a menu item in Open Office itself - maybe 
under Help?
If that would produce too much traffic, perhaps it could direct to a web page 
which encourages people to go to the users' forum first (with links through) 
and only to report a bug when they are sure that they have one. It might be 
better entitled 'report a problem' in that case.
> I have numerous other improvement ideas I have encountered in the > setup and 
> updating flows of Op
enOffice and would be willing to share > them, so long as it is helpful to your 
team!
Sure it is! If you have any other suggestions, please share them. Some will be 
easy to implement, some will take more time or need discussion, but it will be 
very good to hear your ideas. Regards, Andrea.

Suggestion (2) for summer of code project

[Rory O'Farrell]

OpenOffice silently substitutes a 'best-fit' font if a desired font is not 
available. It would be helpful if the use of a substitute font was drawn to the 
User's attention: this might make a Summer of Code project.

John_Ha (en_Forum) says: "I use the TestFonts add-on to check which fonts are 
in use - some of the code might be re-useable. TestFonts only checks when you 
run it. It would be more useful if the notification that a "called for font" 
was missing was continuous - perhaps colouring the font name in the font box? 
Or a window opening at startup saying that "Fonts A, B and C fonts called for, 
but are missing; so X has been substituted for A, Y for B and Z for C"."


-- 
Rory O'Farrell 

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Re: [CODE]: proposal to integrate Google test framework as replacement for cppunit

[jan iversen]

On 16 May 2014 15:41, Jürgen Schmidt  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I am currently investigating in Google's C++ test framework [1] which
> seems to be quite powerful and a good replacement for cppunit which has
> not the proper license.
>
> My idea is to use gtest as general C++ unit testing framework in our
> build environment and replace long term all cppunit based tests with new
> or adapted tests using gtest.
>
> A further goal is to use this testing framework for new C++ unit tests
> and enable these new unit tests by default. Means I plan to introduce a
> new build requisite and let the user actively disable unit testing on
> demand (eg. configure ... --disable-unit-tests).
>
> I believe it is a good thing to enable these unit test by default and
> let them disable on demand. We want to get informed if something gets
> wrong as soon as possible.
>
> But we will have different options to complete a build even if an unit
> tests fails. But more detailed information will come later.
>
> For the moment I just want to propose this enhancement (from my pov) and
> trying to build it on Linux, Mac and Windows.
>
+1 speaking as one who knows both cppunit and gtest.

rgds
jan I.

>
>
> Juergen
>
>
> [1] https://code.google.com/p/googletest/
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[CODE]: proposal to integrate Google test framework as replacement for cppunit

[Jürgen Schmidt]

Hi,

I am currently investigating in Google's C++ test framework [1] which
seems to be quite powerful and a good replacement for cppunit which has
not the proper license.

My idea is to use gtest as general C++ unit testing framework in our
build environment and replace long term all cppunit based tests with new
or adapted tests using gtest.

A further goal is to use this testing framework for new C++ unit tests
and enable these new unit tests by default. Means I plan to introduce a
new build requisite and let the user actively disable unit testing on
demand (eg. configure ... --disable-unit-tests).

I believe it is a good thing to enable these unit test by default and
let them disable on demand. We want to get informed if something gets
wrong as soon as possible.

But we will have different options to complete a build even if an unit
tests fails. But more detailed information will come later.

For the moment I just want to propose this enhancement (from my pov) and
trying to build it on Linux, Mac and Windows.


Juergen


[1] https://code.google.com/p/googletest/

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Re: New Volunteer Note

[Keith N. McKenna]

Thomas Erickson wrote:
> Hello!
> My name is Tom, and I'm pleased to be a new volunteer QA analyst!
> I recently (April of 2014) received my certification in Software Quality
> Assurance and Testing, but am looking forward to honing my skills with
> hands-on work,
> My background has most recently been in paper Records management, but
> before that I worked in Customer Service, and before that I worked in a
> College library.
> Thank You for this opportunity,
> Tom E
> 
Welcome Thomas

Keith



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Re: Macro does not working

[Vladislav Stevanovic]

Hello Mathias,
Thanks for your effort to solve my problem.

>The macro stops at
>prozorRACUNI = creat eUnoDialog(DialogLibrarie
>s.MAKROI.RACUNI)
>RACUNI isn't a dialog, it's a basic modul. RacunVidi is the dialog.

Thanks for that. I fixed this. But, again, macro do not working. Here you
can find why:
https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=124856
Also, there you can find an example.

Regards,
Wlada

2014-05-07 14:49 GMT+02:00 Mathias Röllig :

> Hello Vladislav!
>
> Am 05.05.2014 21:46, schrieb Vladislav Stevanovic:
>
>  @Mathias
>> I am sorry, I attached wrong file. Please, try to open this file and the
>> same dialog.I get that problem is next line in my code:
>> PronadjiArtikal.getAccessibleContext().doAccessibleAction(0)
>> The question is: how this is not problem in AOO 4.0.1?
>>
>
> Though the name of the dialog is also false in this document, I found the
> problematic code line.
>
> But because I don't understand your language it is very difficult (and
> much time consming) for me to explain, what is the goal of the macro.
>
> Please provide a example document that only shows the problematic piece of
> code. If it possible with a little english comment what it should do, what
> you expect.
>
> Greetings, Mathias
>
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Re: [www] [SUGGEST] Change "Native Language" to Dropdown/select box

[Tal Daniel]

On Wed, May 14, 2014 at 11:23 PM, Andrea Pescetti wrote:

> Tal Daniel wrote:
>
>> I used only "Level 2" languages, as specified at the "Native Language"
>> page
>>
> (http://www.openoffice.org/projects/native-lang.html).
>>
>
> That page is outdated. [...] The best thing to do is to start with the 38
> released languages, with the same names we use in other.html. [...]
>
> The other languages should be reachable through an "Other" link, last in
> drop-drown, leading to the native-lang.html page.
>
>
DONE. Thanks for this idea. I've fixed the language selection dropdown to
~38 supported languages, as you recommended. Removed Khmer and English UK,
which weren't supported.

To fix accessibility too, "Language:" could be turned into a simple link
> ("..." tag) pointing to native-lang.html too.
>
> Maybe we'll do that in the future, but I'm almost sure Select is
accessible for screen readers and keyboard navigation.


> Note: the staging site http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/ can be
> published to the main site any time [...] so it's better to use the test
> area at http://www.openoffice.org/test/.


Thanks; I'm aware of that Andrea. I had no choice, since I had to tweak the
global brand.html template, after I didn't find a way to override it in
localized sites.
I published it in the global template only after testing it a bit at the
Hebrew site, first.

Re: Stolen computer with open office work.

[Oliver-Rainer Wittmann]

Hi

On 06.05.2014 21:29, Robert Appenzeller wrote:

I had my Macbook Pro stolen in Panama. Is there any way to retrieve
the documents that I wrote using open office?



OpenOffice does not include any functionality by default to backup 
created documents to an external service or in the cloud.
Your documents are stored on the device which you have chosen. In 
general this would be your local harddisk. But may be you are using 
DropBox or a similar service on which you had stored you document.


Thus, unfortunately there is nothing that we - the Apache OpenOffice 
project - can do to bring back your documents.



Best regards, Oliver.


Thanks,

Rob Appenzeller

robappenzel...@gmail.com
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Re: [www] NEW language Selection Dropdown!

[Tal Daniel]

On Thu, May 15, Kay Schenk wrote:

> OK, this is looking interesting, but...please revert this change as the
> next "real" publish is likely to make this live and we probably don't want
> to do this yet without further review.
>
> So, please do the following --
>
> * copy the revised version of brand.mdtext to the /test directory (we
> can then review this further)
> * revert your brand.mdtext change at the top level
>
> Thanks.
>
>
Kay, I reverted /templates/brand.html to revision before my changes
(robweir).
No changes in brand.mdtext, apart from localized site (he), which still
functions.
So, there are no apparent changes in the ooo-site now.

I'm not sure how we're going to test this, since now the feature isn't
online, and I didn't find a way to override the brand.html template within
a localized site, or /test; it's a global template.

Anyway, I've created a branch -
templates/brand-branch-with-language-select.html, so save template changes,
for future testing.
Please help in testing it, in the near future. My tests showed that all
redirections work properly in Chrome. Default-selected language is selected
according to the language defined in brand.mdtext (for example, see
/xx/brand.mdtext or /he/brand.mdtext).

Tal



> On 05/14/2014 01:21 AM, Tal Daniel wrote:
> > On Wed, May 14 I wrote:
> >
> >> Following my suggestion, I've changed the brand.html template to show a
> >> lanaugage selection dropdown on all sites (currently available on
> staging
> >> sites only - http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/).
> >>
> >
> > To see a working example, select עברית (Hebrew) from the dropdown menu.
>

>

Re: Improving OpenOffice's User Experience

[Andrea Pescetti]

On 08/05/2014 Brennan Novak wrote:

Here is a link explaining the current user experience flow which I
experienced as a major pain point this morning trying to file my
first OpenOffice bug report:
https://brennannovak.com/notes/432


Thanks for this! How come you started from the SourceForge mirrors page? 
Well, indeed at times users follow paths that one could not imagine.


And probably at step 4 you missed to note that you were also taken to 
the wiki, that in turn sent you back to the main openoffice.org site 
since "the instructions there are more detailed". It must have been fun 
in some way, but it is something we can definitely streamline.


Do you know what the "assumed" user path was? We assumed that you would 
open http://openoffice.org then click on "Contact Us" and see the "If 
you want to submit a bug report..." section in 
http://www.openoffice.org/contact_us.html which would have taken you to 
the right place.



I realize that making it easier to file bugs will probably increase
your volume of bugs filed (certainly a mixed blessing)


We have an intermediate "Contact us" page that we could use to prevent 
Bugzilla from being flooded. I opened 
https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=124912 to capture your 
suggestions, let's see if we manage to improve this in the next version.



I have numerous other improvement ideas I have encountered in the
setup and updating flows of OpenOffice and would be willing to share
them, so long as it is helpful to your team!


Sure it is! If you have any other suggestions, please share them. Some 
will be easy to implement, some will take more time or need discussion, 
but it will be very good to hear your ideas.


Regards,
  Andrea.

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Please disable 4.1.0 Update Info!

[Rainer Bielefeld]

Hi,

I submitted "Issue 124913 - Disable 4.1.0 Update Info"

because I think that it would be irresponsible to encourage users to 
update to 4.1.0 with known issue.


I also think that there should be a hint in 4.1.0 Release Notes under 
"Known issues"


CU

Rainer

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Re: Deleting an attachment from Bugzilla

[Jürgen Schmidt]

On 14/05/14 21:10, Mathias Röllig wrote:
> Hello!
> 
> Please have a look into issue 124837. Because of the content of the
> attached file it should be deleted immediately.

we can of course delete this file but the request should come from the
person who added the file.

A short note in the file would be enough

Juergen


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openExpo conference in madrid june 26.

[jan iversen]

Hi.

Thanks to a initative from jza, I have been invited to give one of the
keynote speeches at a one day conference in madrid june 26

http://www.openexpo.es/

The event is a free entrance event, that sadly means that I have to pay
travel/hotel myself. They expect 500 participants

I am currently "negotiating" content and form. Theme is ApacheOpenOffice
and working in a foundation (how/why is ASF different from e.g.
sourceForge). Its a 40 minutes talk, so I have time to around.

ASF have willingly made sure I get some apache stickers to hand out. It
would be real nice though also to have some AOO stickers with info on
download etc.

Is there any chance we could use a bit of our budget to create/print
stickers ? or do anyone have some ?

rgds
jan I.

Re: [www] NEW language Selection Dropdown!

[Tal Daniel]

Update:
Languages selection dropdown is now complete.
Developers and translators are called to edit the brand.mdtext variables
(see instruction below), to fit their language, and edit the
/templates/brand.html template with the correct phrasing for their language
option within the select box.

Note: "Native Languages" link from the menu would probably be removed in
the future, when the language dropdown would be more familiar and adopted.

Cheers,
Tal

On Wed, May 14, I wrote:
>
>
> Following my suggestion, I've changed the brand.html template to show a
>> lanaugage selection dropdown on all sites (currently available on staging
>> sites only - http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/).
>>
>
> To see a working example, select עברית (Hebrew) from the dropdown menu.
>
>>
>> NOTICE: Localized sites has 2 new vars in brand.mdtext:
>> selectedlang: change to your language, which will be selected by default
>> (e.g. ru)
>> language: translation of the word "Language"
>> Changes synched into content/xx/brand.mdtext, as an example.
>>
>> Can anyone help in moving the inline CSS style from brand.html into
>> ooo.css, or other css file? () I can't do it since I didn't
>> want to checkout the whole ooo-site.
>>
>> Next, we need to remove the "Native Language" link from the menu.
>>
>

Re: buildbot success in ASF Buildbot on openoffice-linux64-nightly

[Herbert Duerr]

On 15.05.2014 07:54, Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote:

On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 08:42:12AM +, build...@apache.org wrote:

Hi! , The openoffice-linux64-nightly builder has just completed a run

STATUS: Success
 [...]


This last mail was from a month ago, aren't the build bots sending this
notification any longer?


There were no changes in the openoffice buildbot script at that time, 
but it seems the buildbot instance was updated from 0.8.6 to 0.8.8. And 
the cms-build notifications were moved to another file, but that was a 
while later.


Other asf-buildbot projects use a similiar MailNotifier setup and their 
mailing works fine. The only major differences between them us and them 
are that they don't use the "messageFormatter" option and they set the 
MailNotifier mode to "change" instead of AOO's "all".


So the main suspect is AOO's custom messageFormatter. Maybe it throws an 
exception that is internally caught by the buildbot software? Since we 
don't have access (AFAIK) to the buildbot's stderr output we have to 
guess. In revision 908989 I disabled our custom messageFormatter for 
now. Let's see how if we can narrow down the problem in this way.


Herbert

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