Re: Improved OOXML support?
From: Jürgen Schmidt [mailto:jogischm...@gmail.com] no it means the benefit of the patches is so minimal that a rewrite is probably cheaper and easier. For the example for 1 use case we have integrated we spend a lot of time to understand the patch and realize that the implementation address only one facet and is incomplete form our pov. We or better Oliver spend even more time on it to make it complete. The other use case were addressed wrong from our pov and we took the feature idea and implement it new and in a way to make it more general and ready for the future. Both solution found their way in LO which is fine but it shows ones more that it is wasted time and resources. Better would be to collaborate and work together on such things. I believe that neither AOO nor LO has so many resources that it is clever to do the work twice in the long term. In each case a solution is not to get. My client is willing to pay for it, but there is no company within: http://www.openoffice.org/bizdev/consultants.html that wants to do the work. The reality is concrete and now unfortunately my customer is working with one of the companies sponsoring LO. I would much have preferred a job would be created for one of the companies supporting the AOO. Jörg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Proposal: AOO 4.1.2
On 23.10.2014 18:16, Rob Weir wrote: A short term goal, in addition to whatever 5.0 discussions we want to have. Let's try for a 4.1.2 release containing: 1) Whatever new languages/language updates we have, including of course dictionary updates. 2) Fixes for any critical bugs, especially any introduced in AOO 4.1.1. Do we know yet which bugs these are? Do we have a short list of the most critical ones? 3) Patches merged in from new dev volunteers. I think #3 is extremely important here. Although not as evident to users, these small fixes and small enhancements reflect wins in the community. We've had many new dev volunteers in the past few months working on easy fixes. Let's try to help them get their good work into the hands of users via a release, and give us all the good feeling that comes from shipping code. So this might be a slower release, since we're focused on new volunteers and mentoring them takes time. But I think this is a worthwhile investment in the community. What do you think? It's ok for an exceptional case, but normally we should follow the established release schema: x.y.0 and than x.y.1 and than either x+1.0.0 or x.y+1.0. It was communicated and is well known by the users, and we should demonstrate reliableness. I don`t like a x.y.5 or higher version for AOO. I love distinction ;-). Kind regards Michael signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: OpenOffice lost again 6000 users (was: Improved OOXML support?)
On 24/10/14 07:54, Jörg Schmidt wrote: Hello, From: Andreas Säger [mailto:saege...@t-online.de] Being a customer, I do see things differently. Every OOXML file is a vote against ODF. theoretically correct, but practically? One day in future LO will save ODF as a secondary option. Possible. But where is the problem? Either OOXML *is* ISO standard or is not ISO-standard. If the problem is however that MS is 'meddling' in the standard, then it is a political issue that requires policy responses - not a question of software development. Finally MS wins There is no tomorrow (or finally) for it - MS wins today. For example: http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/Berliner-Finanzaemter-wechseln-zurueck-auf-Microsoft-Office-2430961.html MS comes up with the next shit life is not a pony farm and competition is not a throw with cotton balls. It is about the competition and we have to face, and not whine. I believe a decision like the one in Berlin is always political motivated. See for example the upcoming discussion about the same topic in Munich after changes in the administration. Juergen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: the question about installing OO‘ sdk
On 24/10/14 07:22, soyol aron wrote: Hi all, I have some question about installing OO‘ sdk. I know that this topic is might not be appropriate for discussing at here. But I can't subscribe to the a...@openoffice.apache.org, It always return me the message like below at the step I confirm my mail address. Delivery to the following recipient failed permanently: gmail@openoffice.apache.org Technical details of permanent failure: Google tried to deliver your message, but it was rejected by the server for the recipient domain openoffice.apache.org by mx1.eu.apache.org. [192.87.106.230]. The error that the other server returned was: 550 mail to gmail@openoffice.apache.org not accepted here So my question is that after I installed OO'sdk, I followed the Install Guid(C:\Program Files (x86)\OpenOffice 4\sdk\docs\install.html) to get additional tools , But *Question 1*: zip tool can not be downloaded. Is there any alternative tools? this is the URL I referred, both download link is not accessible. http://www.info-zip.org/Zip.html#Downloads *Question 2*: If that additional tools is open source why don't put(e.g.GNU make, zip tools) them into SDK's Installation package? Is there any license problem? yes I think it is mainly a license issue. And on most systems the tools are available anyway apart from Windows. I will try to find some working links, I haven't checked the referenced ones for some time. Juergen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Proposal: AOO 4.1.2
On 24/10/14 10:00, RA Stehmann wrote: On 23.10.2014 18:16, Rob Weir wrote: A short term goal, in addition to whatever 5.0 discussions we want to have. Let's try for a 4.1.2 release containing: 1) Whatever new languages/language updates we have, including of course dictionary updates. 2) Fixes for any critical bugs, especially any introduced in AOO 4.1.1. Do we know yet which bugs these are? Do we have a short list of the most critical ones? 3) Patches merged in from new dev volunteers. I think #3 is extremely important here. Although not as evident to users, these small fixes and small enhancements reflect wins in the community. We've had many new dev volunteers in the past few months working on easy fixes. Let's try to help them get their good work into the hands of users via a release, and give us all the good feeling that comes from shipping code. So this might be a slower release, since we're focused on new volunteers and mentoring them takes time. But I think this is a worthwhile investment in the community. What do you think? It's ok for an exceptional case, but normally we should follow the established release schema: x.y.0 and than x.y.1 and than either x+1.0.0 or x.y+1.0. It was communicated and is well known by the users, and we should demonstrate reliableness. I don`t like a x.y.5 or higher version for AOO. I love distinction ;-). Let's see the logic behind the version numbers major.minor.micro major: huge release with visible changes and new features including incompatible API changes if necessary. Translation updates are most often necessary to address the UI visible changes. minor: smaller improvements of features that don't need any translation. And of course any kind of bug fixes. micro: only selected bug fixes and most often only critical ones. This includes any potential security issues. Keeping this in mind a 4.2 would probably make more sense but will we have enough fixes and minor improvements in place? Juergen signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Proposal: AOO 4.1.2
On 24.10.2014 10:11, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: On 24/10/14 10:00, RA Stehmann wrote: On 23.10.2014 18:16, Rob Weir wrote: A short term goal, in addition to whatever 5.0 discussions we want to have. Let's try for a 4.1.2 release containing: 1) Whatever new languages/language updates we have, including of course dictionary updates. 2) Fixes for any critical bugs, especially any introduced in AOO 4.1.1. Do we know yet which bugs these are? Do we have a short list of the most critical ones? 3) Patches merged in from new dev volunteers. I think #3 is extremely important here. Although not as evident to users, these small fixes and small enhancements reflect wins in the community. We've had many new dev volunteers in the past few months working on easy fixes. Let's try to help them get their good work into the hands of users via a release, and give us all the good feeling that comes from shipping code. So this might be a slower release, since we're focused on new volunteers and mentoring them takes time. But I think this is a worthwhile investment in the community. What do you think? It's ok for an exceptional case, but normally we should follow the established release schema: x.y.0 and than x.y.1 and than either x+1.0.0 or x.y+1.0. It was communicated and is well known by the users, and we should demonstrate reliableness. I don`t like a x.y.5 or higher version for AOO. I love distinction ;-). Let's see the logic behind the version numbers major.minor.micro major: huge release with visible changes and new features including incompatible API changes if necessary. Translation updates are most often necessary to address the UI visible changes. minor: smaller improvements of features that don't need any translation. And of course any kind of bug fixes. micro: only selected bug fixes and most often only critical ones. This includes any potential security issues. Keeping this in mind a 4.2 would probably make more sense but will we have enough fixes and minor improvements in place? I'm with you and Rob in this special case. Rules need exceptions. But we have to communicate this exception very well and should afterwards follow our approved schema again. Kind regards Michael signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: OpenOffice lost again 6000 users (was: Improved OOXML support?)
Dňa 24.10.2014 o 09:59 Jürgen Schmidt napísal(a): On 24/10/14 07:54, Jörg Schmidt wrote: Hello, From: Andreas Säger [mailto:saege...@t-online.de] Being a customer, I do see things differently. Every OOXML file is a vote against ODF. theoretically correct, but practically? One day in future LO will save ODF as a secondary option. Possible. But where is the problem? Either OOXML *is* ISO standard or is not ISO-standard. If the problem is however that MS is 'meddling' in the standard, then it is a political issue that requires policy responses - not a question of software development. Finally MS wins There is no tomorrow (or finally) for it - MS wins today. For example: http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/Berliner-Finanzaemter-wechseln-zurueck-auf-Microsoft-Office-2430961.html MS comes up with the next shit life is not a pony farm and competition is not a throw with cotton balls. It is about the competition and we have to face, and not whine. I believe a decision like the one in Berlin is always political motivated. See for example the upcoming discussion about the same topic in Munich after changes in the administration. If you had elections in Berlin recently, that is it why ... Juergen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: OpenOffice lost again 6000 users (was: Improved OOXML support?)
Am 24.10.2014 um 09:59 schrieb Jürgen Schmidt: On 24/10/14 07:54, Jörg Schmidt wrote: Hello, For example: http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/Berliner-Finanzaemter-wechseln-zurueck-auf-Microsoft-Office-2430961.html I believe a decision like the one in Berlin is always political motivated. See for example the upcoming discussion about the same topic in Munich after changes in the administration. Juergen Hi, The article on heise.de says it all. They exchange data through office documents; and they don't want to fall behind ... whatever bleeding edge [contradiction in itself]. Oh, of course they need MS Office for security reasons ... WTF? A full featured OOXML suite exists. It costs some money and it should always be used when OOXML is required. Your business opportunities are the same as with ODF. Today virtually everybody writes filters and parsers for OOXML but not for ODF. If ODF were a lost case, both ODF suites would be lost anyway. Writing another full featured OOXML suite would be a hopeless undertaking because it is too much to implement differently in no time. Anything less than full featured would not be accepted, OOXML Strict neiter. Everything needs to be fully compatible and interoperable with MS products which implies tight integration into MS operation system and separation from other OSes. Even if such a product existed, Berlin authorities would still insist in MS products because Berlin is one of the most sleazy places in Germany. They don't care about money because political life in Berlin is a pony farm indeed. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Proposal: AOO 4.1.2
On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 4:00 AM, RA Stehmann anw...@rechtsanwalt-stehmann.de wrote: On 23.10.2014 18:16, Rob Weir wrote: A short term goal, in addition to whatever 5.0 discussions we want to have. Let's try for a 4.1.2 release containing: 1) Whatever new languages/language updates we have, including of course dictionary updates. 2) Fixes for any critical bugs, especially any introduced in AOO 4.1.1. Do we know yet which bugs these are? Do we have a short list of the most critical ones? 3) Patches merged in from new dev volunteers. I think #3 is extremely important here. Although not as evident to users, these small fixes and small enhancements reflect wins in the community. We've had many new dev volunteers in the past few months working on easy fixes. Let's try to help them get their good work into the hands of users via a release, and give us all the good feeling that comes from shipping code. So this might be a slower release, since we're focused on new volunteers and mentoring them takes time. But I think this is a worthwhile investment in the community. What do you think? It's ok for an exceptional case, but normally we should follow the established release schema: x.y.0 and than x.y.1 and than either x+1.0.0 or x.y+1.0. That's fine. I did not mean to argue for a deviation from the naming scheme. I was mainly trying to be explicit that we're working on a small release, and suggesting the contents of that release. We should name it whatever makes sense. The problem, as I saw it, is that some people think we're failing to work on a 5.0 release when we're actually working on a smaller release that does not yet have a wiki page. -Rob It was communicated and is well known by the users, and we should demonstrate reliableness. I don`t like a x.y.5 or higher version for AOO. I love distinction ;-). Kind regards Michael - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Bugzilla volunteer
Hello list, I answer frequently in Bugzilla. I propose to help and managing reports like set to Duplicate or Invalid. If you are interesting, I remain available. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: OpenOffice lost again 6000 users (was: Improved OOXML support?)
On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 1:54 AM, Jörg Schmidt joe...@j-m-schmidt.de wrote: Hello, From: Andreas Säger [mailto:saege...@t-online.de] Being a customer, I do see things differently. Every OOXML file is a vote against ODF. theoretically correct, but practically? One day in future LO will save ODF as a secondary option. Possible. But where is the problem? Either OOXML *is* ISO standard or is not ISO-standard. If the problem is however that MS is 'meddling' in the standard, then it is a political issue that requires policy responses - not a question of software development. Finally MS wins There is no tomorrow (or finally) for it - MS wins today. For example: http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/Berliner-Finanzaemter-wechseln-zurueck-auf-Microsoft-Office-2430961.html MS comes up with the next shit life is not a pony farm and competition is not a throw with cotton balls. It is about the competition and we have to face, and not whine. To put it in perspective, since your note was sent, 6 hours ago, we've had over 30,000 downloads of AOO. I think we need to consider that there are two broad groups of users: 1) Those who choose which suite to use. 2) Those who have no choice, because their employer decides for them, either directly, or via their selection of a Linux distribution. For those who have a choice I think we do very well, especially for those who also must pay themselves. But clearly selling to a corporation (or a government) is something else. In some cases a government has an internal champion who pushes adoption of open source. If he fails, he and the open source are gone. But even if he succeeds, he may later change jobs and his successor might have other ideas. I've seen this happen repeatedly in government with ODF adoption. What one energetic champion accomplishes is reversed by someone later. Regards, -Rob Greetings, Jörg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Bugzilla volunteer
On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 8:32 AM, FR web forum ooofo...@free.fr wrote: Hello list, I answer frequently in Bugzilla. I propose to help and managing reports like set to Duplicate or Invalid. If you are interesting, I remain available. Thanks. This kind of database hygiene is always welcome. I've give you permissions in BZ so you can now edit bugs. Regards, -Rob - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: OpenOffice lost again 6000 users (was: Improved OOXML support?)
On 10/24/2014 01:54 AM, Jörg Schmidt wrote: But where is the problem? Either OOXML *is* ISO standard or is not ISO-standard. If the problem is however that MS is 'meddling' in the standard, then it is a political issue that requires policy responses - not a question of software development. I am not overly informed on this, but, I think that the primary complaint was that the OOXML ISO standard supports storing proprietary binary blobs that are not part of the standard as aprt of the document. -- Andrew Pitonyak My Macro Document: http://www.pitonyak.org/AndrewMacro.odt Info: http://www.pitonyak.org/oo.php - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
2015 -- Our 30th Anniversary
Those who know the history know that Apache OpenOffice is the continuation of the OpenOffice.org project, which itself came from a proprietary suite developed in Germany called StarOffice, which itself started as StarWriter, an application written in 1985 by Marco Börries . So next year, in 2015, will be our 30th anniversary. Any ideas what we might do? For example, does anyone still have a Zilog Z80 (or an emulator) that can run the original StarWriter? It looks like some emulators here: http://www.z80.info/z80emu.htm#EMU_CPU_W32 It might be interesting to show the history of Writer, from release to release, via a set of screen shots (or a movie) showing the evolution of the UI. Regards, -Rob - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: 2015 -- Our 30th Anniversary
2014-10-24 16:41 GMT+02:00 Rob Weir r...@robweir.com: Those who know the history know that Apache OpenOffice is the continuation of the OpenOffice.org project, which itself came from a proprietary suite developed in Germany called StarOffice, which itself started as StarWriter, an application written in 1985 by Marco Börries . So next year, in 2015, will be our 30th anniversary. Any ideas what we might do? For example, does anyone still have a Zilog Z80 (or an emulator) that can run the original StarWriter? I'm still a proud owner of a ZX Spectrum Sinclair 48k, never heard about a StarWriter app, though. Does it exist, ideas about to get it? Roberto It looks like some emulators here: http://www.z80.info/z80emu.htm#EMU_CPU_W32 It might be interesting to show the history of Writer, from release to release, via a set of screen shots (or a movie) showing the evolution of the UI. Regards, -Rob - To unsubscribe, e-mail: marketing-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: marketing-h...@openoffice.apache.org
RE: the question about installing OO‘ sdk
orcnote inline -Original Message- From: Jürgen Schmidt [mailto:jogischm...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, October 24, 2014 01:03 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: the question about installing OO‘ sdk On 24/10/14 07:22, soyol aron wrote: Hi all, I have some question about installing OO‘ sdk. I know that this topic is might not be appropriate for discussing at here. But I can't subscribe to the a...@openoffice.apache.org, It always return me the message like below at the step I confirm my mail address. Delivery to the following recipient failed permanently: gmail@openoffice.apache.org Technical details of permanent failure: Google tried to deliver your message, but it was rejected by the server for the recipient domain openoffice.apache.org by mx1.eu.apache.org. [192.87.106.230]. The error that the other server returned was: 550 mail to gmail@openoffice.apache.org not accepted here So my question is that after I installed OO'sdk, I followed the Install Guid(C:\Program Files (x86)\OpenOffice 4\sdk\docs\install.html) to get additional tools , But *Question 1*: zip tool can not be downloaded. Is there any alternative tools? this is the URL I referred, both download link is not accessible. http://www.info-zip.org/Zip.html#Downloads orcnote It would seem that 7-zip would be a better Windows choice, unless there are command-line differences that make use in existing scripts more work. 7-zip has the advantage of being relatively well-maintained and apparently stable. http://www.7-zip.org/. I have not had difficulty accessing the info-zip links. I did not attempt any downloads though. Windows also has Zip installed automatically, but not as a command- line tool. It is a form of folder on Windows, although you can use Available tools also (WinZip, 7zip, etc.). /orcnote *Question 2*: If that additional tools is open source why don't put(e.g.GNU make, zip tools) them into SDK's Installation package? Is there any license problem? yes I think it is mainly a license issue. And on most systems the tools are available anyway apart from Windows. I will try to find some working links, I haven't checked the referenced ones for some time. Juergen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
RE: OpenOffice lost again 6000 users (was: Improved OOXML support?)
orcnote below. -Original Message- From: Andrew Douglas Pitonyak [mailto:and...@pitonyak.org] Sent: Friday, October 24, 2014 06:18 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: OpenOffice lost again 6000 users (was: Improved OOXML support?) On 10/24/2014 01:54 AM, Jörg Schmidt wrote: But where is the problem? Either OOXML *is* ISO standard or is not ISO-standard. If the problem is however that MS is 'meddling' in the standard, then it is a political issue that requires policy responses - not a question of software development. I am not overly informed on this, but, I think that the primary complaint was that the OOXML ISO standard supports storing proprietary binary blobs that are not part of the standard as aprt of the document. orcnote This was and is a red herring. The ODF specification is just as permissive in this regard. For example, there is no specification on the binary formats of images that are incorporated in ODF packages by our favorite ODF-supporting software. Also, the allowance of OLE objects opens a very wide door in ODF that is exploited by the prominent implementations. What would be more interesting is to see what either specification says about how such material is identified so implementations can determine what is present. It would also be interesting to know how well implementations identify what cases of this that are supported, somewhere that the information is readily available for the information of non-implementers. /orcnote -- Andrew Pitonyak My Macro Document: http://www.pitonyak.org/AndrewMacro.odt Info: http://www.pitonyak.org/oo.php - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: 2015 -- Our 30th Anniversary
On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 11:15 AM, Roberto Galoppini roberto.galopp...@gmail.com wrote: 2014-10-24 16:41 GMT+02:00 Rob Weir r...@robweir.com: Those who know the history know that Apache OpenOffice is the continuation of the OpenOffice.org project, which itself came from a proprietary suite developed in Germany called StarOffice, which itself started as StarWriter, an application written in 1985 by Marco Börries . So next year, in 2015, will be our 30th anniversary. Any ideas what we might do? For example, does anyone still have a Zilog Z80 (or an emulator) that can run the original StarWriter? I'm still a proud owner of a ZX Spectrum Sinclair 48k, never heard about a StarWriter app, though. Does it exist, ideas about to get it? Cool! This is from Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/StarOffice#History It references a page on our wiki that claims StarWriter 1.0 was released in 1985. No idea where to get the code. Maybe Juergen or another old-timer would have a clue for us? -Rob Roberto It looks like some emulators here: http://www.z80.info/z80emu.htm#EMU_CPU_W32 It might be interesting to show the history of Writer, from release to release, via a set of screen shots (or a movie) showing the evolution of the UI. Regards, -Rob - To unsubscribe, e-mail: marketing-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: marketing-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
failure notice mailer daemon
Hello, the mailer daemon is going on the rampage. The unacceptable MIME part was my GPG signature. Excepted since years. And I put some words in the body and gave a subject. I'm not able to moderate user postings. Kind regards Michael Original-Nachricht Betreff: failure notice Datum: 24 Oct 2014 16:31:36 - Von: mailer-dae...@apache.org An: anw...@rechtsanwalt-stehmann.de Hi. This is the qmail-send program at apache.org. I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following addresses. This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out. users-de-accept-1414060932.29371.objpbdfdghgkfobcf...@openoffice.apache.org: ezmlm-send: fatal: Sorry, after removing unacceptable MIME parts from your message I was left with nothing (#5.7.0) ezmlm-moderate: fatal: fatal error from child --- Below this line is a copy of the message. Return-Path: anw...@rechtsanwalt-stehmann.de Received: (qmail 99452 invoked by uid 99); 24 Oct 2014 16:31:35 - Received: from nike.apache.org (HELO nike.apache.org) (192.87.106.230) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Fri, 24 Oct 2014 16:31:35 + X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_HELO_PASS,SPF_PASS,T_HK_NAME_DR X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (nike.apache.org: domain of anw...@rechtsanwalt-stehmann.de designates 217.69.77.164 as permitted sender) Received: from [217.69.77.164] (HELO mail.dasr.de) (217.69.77.164) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Fri, 24 Oct 2014 16:31:08 + Received: from ip-88-152-235-162.hsi03.unitymediagroup.de ([88.152.235.162] helo=[192.168.2.40]) by mail.dasr.de with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from anw...@rechtsanwalt-stehmann.de) id 1XhhkY-00021H-19 for users-de-accept-1414060932.29371.objpbdfdghgkfobcf...@openoffice.apache.org; Fri, 24 Oct 2014 16:30:02 + Message-ID: 544a7e84.5050...@rechtsanwalt-stehmann.de Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2014 18:29:56 +0200 From: Dr. Michael Stehmann anw...@rechtsanwalt-stehmann.de User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Icedove/24.8.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: users-de-accept-1414060932.29371.objpbdfdghgkfobcf...@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Approve X-Enigmail-Version: 1.6 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol=application/pgp-signature; boundary=JEHr9uABrw2vXEkbetJXQvLl5FsnDuM6T X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --JEHr9uABrw2vXEkbetJXQvLl5FsnDuM6T Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Accepted Regards Michael --JEHr9uABrw2vXEkbetJXQvLl5FsnDuM6T Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Icedove - http://www.enigmail.net/ iEYEARECAAYFAlRKfoQACgkQB4PwVyFoz0eT3gCghA6tJjdvopBOtNtIu5ostOrO y2AAn2tox2VgUBXRVbV/EW5/MzMGNqzi =/50r -END PGP SIGNATURE- --JEHr9uABrw2vXEkbetJXQvLl5FsnDuM6T-- signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Proposal: AOO 4.1.2
On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 1:11 AM, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.com wrote: On 24/10/14 10:00, RA Stehmann wrote: On 23.10.2014 18:16, Rob Weir wrote: A short term goal, in addition to whatever 5.0 discussions we want to have. Let's try for a 4.1.2 release containing: 1) Whatever new languages/language updates we have, including of course dictionary updates. 2) Fixes for any critical bugs, especially any introduced in AOO 4.1.1. Do we know yet which bugs these are? Do we have a short list of the most critical ones? 3) Patches merged in from new dev volunteers. I think #3 is extremely important here. Although not as evident to users, these small fixes and small enhancements reflect wins in the community. We've had many new dev volunteers in the past few months working on easy fixes. Let's try to help them get their good work into the hands of users via a release, and give us all the good feeling that comes from shipping code. So this might be a slower release, since we're focused on new volunteers and mentoring them takes time. But I think this is a worthwhile investment in the community. What do you think? It's ok for an exceptional case, but normally we should follow the established release schema: x.y.0 and than x.y.1 and than either x+1.0.0 or x.y+1.0. It was communicated and is well known by the users, and we should demonstrate reliableness. I don`t like a x.y.5 or higher version for AOO. I love distinction ;-). Let's see the logic behind the version numbers major.minor.micro major: huge release with visible changes and new features including incompatible API changes if necessary. Translation updates are most often necessary to address the UI visible changes. minor: smaller improvements of features that don't need any translation. And of course any kind of bug fixes. As it turns out, some of the contributions of new volunteers involve changed strings which requite translation.. And there are some larger changes to helpcontent as well. I was just going to ask for a Pootle refresh so we could see where we are with this. These are not new languages but changes to existing translating entities -- ui strings and helpcontent. So, does this necessitate a minor change? micro: only selected bug fixes and most often only critical ones. This includes any potential security issues. Keeping this in mind a 4.2 would probably make more sense but will we have enough fixes and minor improvements in place? Juergen -- - MzK Success breeds complacency. Complacency breeds failure. Only the paranoid survive. -- Andy Grove, Intel Co-founder
Re: Proposal: AOO 4.1.2
Am 10/24/2014 10:29 AM, schrieb RA Stehmann: On 24.10.2014 10:11, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: On 24/10/14 10:00, RA Stehmann wrote: On 23.10.2014 18:16, Rob Weir wrote: A short term goal, in addition to whatever 5.0 discussions we want to have. Let's try for a 4.1.2 release containing: 1) Whatever new languages/language updates we have, including of course dictionary updates. 2) Fixes for any critical bugs, especially any introduced in AOO 4.1.1. Do we know yet which bugs these are? Do we have a short list of the most critical ones? 3) Patches merged in from new dev volunteers. I think #3 is extremely important here. Although not as evident to users, these small fixes and small enhancements reflect wins in the community. We've had many new dev volunteers in the past few months working on easy fixes. Let's try to help them get their good work into the hands of users via a release, and give us all the good feeling that comes from shipping code. So this might be a slower release, since we're focused on new volunteers and mentoring them takes time. But I think this is a worthwhile investment in the community. What do you think? It's ok for an exceptional case, but normally we should follow the established release schema: x.y.0 and than x.y.1 and than either x+1.0.0 or x.y+1.0. It was communicated and is well known by the users, and we should demonstrate reliableness. I don`t like a x.y.5 or higher version for AOO. I love distinction ;-). Let's see the logic behind the version numbers major.minor.micro major: huge release with visible changes and new features including incompatible API changes if necessary. Translation updates are most often necessary to address the UI visible changes. minor: smaller improvements of features that don't need any translation. And of course any kind of bug fixes. micro: only selected bug fixes and most often only critical ones. This includes any potential security issues. Keeping this in mind a 4.2 would probably make more sense but will we have enough fixes and minor improvements in place? I'm with you and Rob in this special case. Rules need exceptions. But we have to communicate this exception very well and should afterwards follow our approved schema again. maybe I've missed something but I cannot remember that we have discussed, agreed and published a release schema regarding version numbers. IMHO it was just an accident up to now that we've released only a x.y.0 *or* x.y.1 numbering. I don't see a problem to do a .2 version. If we find enough food for it and it's enough time to do a new release, why not doing it? Marcus - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Proposal: AOO 4.1.2
On 23/10/2014 Rob Weir wrote: Let's try for a 4.1.2 release I see another priority. But it is fully compatible with making a release and actually the two can work together really well. I would like to streamline our processes and remove bottlenecks and dependencies on non-Apache systems. In other words, it's two years that we are a top-level project and it is time to reach a phase where processes just work. It is not acceptable that we produce binary builds on non-Apache hardware, it is hardly acceptable that we don't have all our languages on Pootle, and it is not acceptable that the l10n list sees a reduction in activity just because I suddenly have to use a large part of my spare time on unrelated activities. A release is probably a perfect way to make sure that everything is considered (and an important indicator in the Apache way). So it will take even more time, but if we can take care of all these tasks we will finally be a project with solid grounds at Apache. Some tasks, like the buildbots, are huge; some, like finding someone who can welcome volunteers on the l10n list when I can't, are easier. And it's obvious that we must work together, we can't expect that a few people do everything. 1) Whatever new languages/language updates we have, including of course dictionary updates. We are seeing interest in a couple of languages, but we don't have any new ones to release at the moment. Of course, when we establish a deadline we can communicate it to translators and make a plan. 2) Fixes for any critical bugs, especially any introduced in AOO 4.1.1. Do we know yet which bugs these are? Do we have a short list of the most critical ones? This one https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=125519 is worth looking at. It's already fixed in trunk anyway. 3) Patches merged in from new dev volunteers. I think #3 is extremely important here. Sure, involving new development volunteers has been a priority in the last few months, and I'm happy to hear some new voices here. We may even manage to get some new features implemented, not only basic fixes. But again... If we go for this, then mentoring developers becomes a priority and everyone who has the required knowledge should invest time on this. What do you think? It is surely a good idea (and the version number does not matter that much), provided that all of us are ready to be actively involved as much as possible. Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: OpenOffice folks: ApacheCon template?
On 24/10/2014 Rich Bowen wrote: One more try - can any of you fine OpenOffice folks whip up a slide template for ApacheCon EU, like was done for Denver? Let's forward this to the OpenOffice dev list too (in CC) and see if it is a yes! Volunteers? Templates to be refreshed are here: http://templates.openoffice.org/en/search?search_api_views_fulltext=apacheconsort_by=createdsort_order=ASC ApacheCon EU is in Budapest, Hungary, in case someone doesn't know (old templates often used the country colors, but this is not a must). Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: OpenOffice folks: ApacheCon template?
On 10/24/2014 03:36 PM, Andrea Pescetti wrote: On 24/10/2014 Rich Bowen wrote: One more try - can any of you fine OpenOffice folks whip up a slide template for ApacheCon EU, like was done for Denver? Let's forward this to the OpenOffice dev list too (in CC) and see if it is a yes! Volunteers? Templates to be refreshed are here: http://templates.openoffice.org/en/search?search_api_views_fulltext=apacheconsort_by=createdsort_order=ASC ApacheCon EU is in Budapest, Hungary, in case someone doesn't know (old templates often used the country colors, but this is not a must). Awesome. The image on the website is white on a transparent background, which poses difficulties. :-) Feel free to tweak that if you need to. -- Rich Bowen - rbo...@rcbowen.com - @rbowen http://apachecon.com/ - @apachecon - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: 2015 -- Our 30th Anniversary
On 2014-10 -24, at 11:15, Roberto Galoppini roberto.galopp...@gmail.com wrote: 2014-10-24 16:41 GMT+02:00 Rob Weir r...@robweir.com: Those who know the history know that Apache OpenOffice is the continuation of the OpenOffice.org project, which itself came from a proprietary suite developed in Germany called StarOffice, which itself started as StarWriter, an application written in 1985 by Marco Börries . So next year, in 2015, will be our 30th anniversary. Any ideas what we might do? For example, does anyone still have a Zilog Z80 (or an emulator) that can run the original StarWriter? I'm still a proud owner of a ZX Spectrum Sinclair 48k, never heard about a StarWriter app, though. Does it exist, ideas about to get it? Roberto You could ask the originators of the program. Eg, Marco Boerries, now—or was—of No. 4 (as in his 4th company), or early (and still at it) developers, many of whom are now at Open-X (I think that’s what it’s called), in Hamburg. Perhaps Juergen knows. louis It looks like some emulators here: http://www.z80.info/z80emu.htm#EMU_CPU_W32 It might be interesting to show the history of Writer, from release to release, via a set of screen shots (or a movie) showing the evolution of the UI. Regards, -Rob - To unsubscribe, e-mail: marketing-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: marketing-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Good news! We now have a Mac OSX buildbot!
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-4902 -- - MzK Success breeds complacency. Complacency breeds failure. Only the paranoid survive. -- Andy Grove, Intel Co-founder - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Partnership with schools
Hi all, I wonder if we couldn't encourage schools to participate to the projet in a durable manner. Students have each year projects to realize alone or in teams. Why not to suggest works reusable by the project. After a discussion about that with a student who has contacts in a high school of engineering, she said me that it was necessary to have a list of projects that could be proposed to the students after acceptance by the school. Is it not a practicable way for the project ? Instead of waiting that people join themselves the community, to be able also to search actively some durable partnership with some schools and universities. And why not create an Apache certificate to honor the best contributions ? Could be useful for young people in a resume ... Just an idea -- gw
Re: Partnership with schools
I have work with students doing their final project under the OpenOffice, as an ex-lead for the education project. we had some teachers doing open source projects withing the community, you can see their posts on the wiki: https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/HitekSchool and Seneca: https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Education_Courses/Seneca_College The project I did was in spanish but you can consult their blogs their wikis: https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/User_talk:Diego_Valle https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/User_talk:Ivanpoot https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/User_talk:Javier_Lopez On 10/24/14, Guy Waterval waterval@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I wonder if we couldn't encourage schools to participate to the projet in a durable manner. Students have each year projects to realize alone or in teams. Why not to suggest works reusable by the project. After a discussion about that with a student who has contacts in a high school of engineering, she said me that it was necessary to have a list of projects that could be proposed to the students after acceptance by the school. Is it not a practicable way for the project ? Instead of waiting that people join themselves the community, to be able also to search actively some durable partnership with some schools and universities. And why not create an Apache certificate to honor the best contributions ? Could be useful for young people in a resume ... Just an idea -- gw -- Alexandro Colorado Apache OpenOffice Contributor 882C 4389 3C27 E8DF 41B9 5C4C 1DB7 9D1C 7F4C 2614 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Access to the list of Autofilter
Hello, Is it possible with code in Basic to access to the list of Autofilter data in Calc? Reason: filtering with basic is limited maximum with 3 criteria... Because I need more then 3 criteria I want with basic code to use filtering capability of Autofilter. Thanks in advance, Wlada
Re: Access to the list of Autofilter
Am 25.10.2014 um 01:06 schrieb Vladislav Stevanovic: Hello, Is it possible with code in Basic to access to the list of Autofilter data in Calc? Reason: filtering with basic is limited maximum with 3 criteria... Because I need more then 3 criteria I want with basic code to use filtering capability of Autofilter. Thanks in advance, Wlada This is the mailing list of the developers (not macro coders). Register on the support forum: https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/ucp.php?mode=register Filter criteria are limited to 8 criteria. No macros can not access the auto-filter list. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: OpenOffice lost again 6000 users (was: Improved OOXML support?)
On 10/24/2014 11:42 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: orcnote below. -Original Message- From: Andrew Douglas Pitonyak [mailto:and...@pitonyak.org] Sent: Friday, October 24, 2014 06:18 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: OpenOffice lost again 6000 users (was: Improved OOXML support?) On 10/24/2014 01:54 AM, Jörg Schmidt wrote: But where is the problem? Either OOXML *is* ISO standard or is not ISO-standard. If the problem is however that MS is 'meddling' in the standard, then it is a political issue that requires policy responses - not a question of software development. I am not overly informed on this, but, I think that the primary complaint was that the OOXML ISO standard supports storing proprietary binary blobs that are not part of the standard as aprt of the document. orcnote This was and is a red herring. The ODF specification is just as permissive in this regard. For example, there is no specification on the binary formats of images that are incorporated in ODF packages by our favorite ODF-supporting software. Also, the allowance of OLE objects opens a very wide door in ODF that is exploited by the prominent implementations. What would be more interesting is to see what either specification says about how such material is identified so implementations can determine what is present. It would also be interesting to know how well implementations identify what cases of this that are supported, somewhere that the information is readily available for the information of non-implementers. /orcnote More specifically, I was under the impression that you could include a binary blob of say a doc file. -- Andrew Pitonyak My Macro Document: http://www.pitonyak.org/AndrewMacro.odt Info: http://www.pitonyak.org/oo.php - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: OpenOffice lost again 6000 users (was: Improved OOXML support?)
orcnote below. -Original Message- From: Andrew Douglas Pitonyak [mailto:and...@pitonyak.org] Sent: Friday, October 24, 2014 17:27 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Spam (9.566):Re: OpenOffice lost again 6000 users (was: Improved OOXML support?) On 10/24/2014 11:42 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: orcnote below. -Original Message- From: Andrew Douglas Pitonyak [mailto:and...@pitonyak.org] Sent: Friday, October 24, 2014 06:18 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: OpenOffice lost again 6000 users (was: Improved OOXML support?) [ ... ] I am not overly informed on this, but, I think that the primary complaint was that the OOXML ISO standard supports storing proprietary binary blobs that are not part of the standard as aprt of the document. [ ... ] More specifically, I was under the impression that you could include a binary blob of say a doc file. orcnote More specifically, can you point me to an authoritative source For this claim? I don't want to take a search of the OOXML specification without some specific details. /orcnote -- Andrew Pitonyak My Macro Document: http://www.pitonyak.org/AndrewMacro.odt Info: http://www.pitonyak.org/oo.php - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
NOT OKAY
To Whom It May Concern: I am writing a school paper for a very important college and I am not happy. Your program underlined in red that the word vaginas is incorrect and penises is correct. I do not like this and it is very sexist. Please fix it!
Re: NOT OKAY
Add it to your word book, the dictionary project is managed outside of the project. Check the extension page of the en-US dictionary On Oct 24, 2014 9:49 PM, C L cccl...@hotmail.com wrote: To Whom It May Concern: I am writing a school paper for a very important college and I am not happy. Your program underlined in red that the word vaginas is incorrect and penises is correct. I do not like this and it is very sexist. Please fix it!
Re: NOT OKAY
I tried to verify the report, and both words were valid. On 10/24/14, Alexandro Colorado j...@oooes.org wrote: Add it to your word book, the dictionary project is managed outside of the project. Check the extension page of the en-US dictionary On Oct 24, 2014 9:49 PM, C L cccl...@hotmail.com wrote: To Whom It May Concern: I am writing a school paper for a very important college and I am not happy. Your program underlined in red that the word vaginas is incorrect and penises is correct. I do not like this and it is very sexist. Please fix it! -- Alexandro Colorado Apache OpenOffice Contributor 882C 4389 3C27 E8DF 41B9 5C4C 1DB7 9D1C 7F4C 2614 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Access to the list of Autofilter
On 10/24/2014 07:06 PM, Vladislav Stevanovic wrote: Hello, Is it possible with code in Basic to access to the list of Autofilter data in Calc? Reason: filtering with basic is limited maximum with 3 criteria... Because I need more then 3 criteria I want with basic code to use filtering capability of Autofilter. Thanks in advance, Wlada First, Andreas is correct, you should post these types of questions to the forum not the Dev list. Second, I wrote a document called Calc As A Simple Database that is now part of the official LibreOffice documentation that has a macro called AddNewDatabaseRange that sets a range to use an autofilter. If you look at OOME, available from my web site, I also demonstrate how to create and use regular filters using macros. I expect that this is also in the aforementioned document. Sub AddNewDatabaseRange() Dim oRange 'DatabaseRange object. Dim oAddr 'Cell address range for the database range. Dim oSheet 'First sheet, which will contain the range. Dim oDoc 'Reference ThisComponent with a shorter name. oDoc = ThisComponent If NOT oDoc.DatabaseRanges.hasByName(MyName) Then oSheet = ThisComponent.getSheets().getByIndex(0) oRange = oSheet.getCellRangeByName(A1:F10) oAddr = oRange.getRangeAddress() oDoc.DatabaseRanges.addNewByName(MyName, oAddr) End If oRange = oDoc.DatabaseRanges.getByName(MyName) oRange.AutoFilter = True End Sub -- Andrew Pitonyak My Macro Document: http://www.pitonyak.org/AndrewMacro.odt Info: http://www.pitonyak.org/oo.php
Re: NOT OKAY
Well, Alexandro, I think you may have added the plural of the word to your local dictionary ;-) https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B0xBe2_CQAEQITs.png On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 9:04 PM, Alexandro Colorado j...@oooes.org wrote: I tried to verify the report, and both words were valid. On 10/24/14, Alexandro Colorado j...@oooes.org wrote: Add it to your word book, the dictionary project is managed outside of the project. Check the extension page of the en-US dictionary On Oct 24, 2014 9:49 PM, C L cccl...@hotmail.com wrote: To Whom It May Concern: I am writing a school paper for a very important college and I am not happy. Your program underlined in red that the word vaginas is incorrect and penises is correct. I do not like this and it is very sexist. Please fix it! -- Alexandro Colorado Apache OpenOffice Contributor 882C 4389 3C27 E8DF 41B9 5C4C 1DB7 9D1C 7F4C 2614 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org -- Jose R R http://www.metztli-it.com - NEW Apache OpenOffice 4.1.1! Download for GNU/Linux, Mac OS, Windows. - Daylight Saving Time in USA Canada ends: Sunday, November 02, 2014 - - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: OpenOffice lost again 6000 users (was: Improved OOXML support?)
On 10/24/2014 08:50 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: orcnote below. -Original Message- From: Andrew Douglas Pitonyak [mailto:and...@pitonyak.org] Sent: Friday, October 24, 2014 17:27 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Spam (9.566):Re: OpenOffice lost again 6000 users (was: Improved OOXML support?) On 10/24/2014 11:42 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: orcnote below. -Original Message- From: Andrew Douglas Pitonyak [mailto:and...@pitonyak.org] Sent: Friday, October 24, 2014 06:18 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: OpenOffice lost again 6000 users (was: Improved OOXML support?) [ ... ] I am not overly informed on this, but, I think that the primary complaint was that the OOXML ISO standard supports storing proprietary binary blobs that are not part of the standard as aprt of the document. [ ... ] More specifically, I was under the impression that you could include a binary blob of say a doc file. orcnote More specifically, can you point me to an authoritative source For this claim? I don't want to take a search of the OOXML specification without some specific details. /orcnote Well, there was a time that I spent many hours worrying about exactly what was in the standard. I had downloaded a bunch of files and spent time reading them and following the discussion. If you want authoritative documents, you can find them places such as here: http://www.iso.org/iso/iso_catalogue/catalogue_tc/catalogue_detail.htm?csnumber=51463 http://standards.iso.org/ittf/PubliclyAvailableStandards/index.html (search for 29500) http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/office/gg607163%28v=office.14%29.aspx#IIOXML_H2 But I don't think that is what you are asking... I think that you are asking either: Am I able to point you to a more authoritative source that says that people were concerned that the standard allowed embedding arbitrary MSO binary stuff into OOXML files? or Are there concerns well founded? Let me start by stating that my intent was to clarify their concerns. At this point I hardly care if their concerns are accurate and I have no desire to justify them or defend them. Why? Because I am just too busy to care about it. If I bang my head against the wall and take a stiff drink, I have vague recollections of an xlink attribute that may end up referencing a binary version of the document, which, as an end result, means that supporting OOXML implies that you also support all previous MSO document formats. I am unable without more study than I am willing to undertake to remember if that is all linked using OLE or something else. I only say this because I suspect that it is likely related to OLE, but I don't really remember anyone saying as much. I don't like that OOXML relies so heavily on embedding OLE objects (I think that you can do this sort of thing using ODF as well). Back when I was blowing hours trying to read through the standard (and yeah, I wasted probably even more time reading the ODF standard), I was struck by how poorly the behavior was defined for the spreadsheet portion. I remember, at the time, thinking that it was even worse than the original ODF stuff, which has been fully hammered out at this point. Perhaps this has been solved for OOXML as well by now, but I am surly not going to read that stuff again unless a really compelling reason arises (like a for pay gig, which I am not looking for, I lack the time). Note that I am exposed so often to OOXML, I should probably care more about this than I currently do. Now I can go back to trying to figure out how I can find Northern Spy apples in the middle of Ohio. -- Andrew Pitonyak My Macro Document: http://www.pitonyak.org/AndrewMacro.odt Info: http://www.pitonyak.org/oo.php - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: OpenOffice lost again 6000 users (was: Improved OOXML support?)
Do you know off hand if this is through OLE or some other mechanism? I have been handed a docx files with something embedded inside that prevents viewing because I do not happen to have that particular application installed on my computer. On 10/25/2014 12:50 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: To be clear, I can put a complete Word Document (as a binary blob) inside of an ODF Text document too. I just don't know if that particular avenue is what was taken as a smoking gun about OOXML or not. I can put a complete ODF Text document (as a binary blob) inside of an OOXML .docx too. The fact that this is possible is no blemish on either of the ODF and OOXML specifications. It is not something anyone makes ridiculous practice of. - Dennis -- Andrew Pitonyak My Macro Document: http://www.pitonyak.org/AndrewMacro.odt Info: http://www.pitonyak.org/oo.php - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Übersetzung des englischen Wortes 'Options'
Am 22.10.2014 um 19:40 schrieb Marcus: Am 10/22/2014 07:06 AM, schrieb Josef Latt: Hi, scheint ja niemanden zu interessieren. ich dachte die Änderung ist schon längst gemacht. ;-) So schnell schießen die Preußen nicht. ;-) Wollte die Reaktionen dazu abwarten, bisher mager. Gruß Am 18.10.2014 um 09:07 schrieb Josef Latt: Am 16.10.2014 um 08:56 schrieb Josef Latt: Hi, bezugnehmend auf den Thread Unterschiedliche Übersetzungen zur Symbolleiste Options ist festzustellen, dass 'Options' mit Masse als 'Optionen' und teilweise mit 'Einstellungen' übersetzt wurde. Oft werden in zusammenhängenden Bereichen beide Varianten benutzt. Dies sollte IMHO vereinheitlicht werden. Ich plädiere dafür, 'Options' durchgehend mit 'Optionen' zu übersetzen, und 'Einstellungen' nur für 'settings' zu verwenden. Weil weniger aufwändig. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-de-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-de-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-de-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-de-h...@openoffice.apache.org
