Re: AOO mailing list subscription totals, and other tidbits
On 12/11/14 20:19, Andrea Pescetti wrote: > jan i wrote: >> On 12 November 2014 15:38, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: >>> It's sometimes very interesting and there are some more numbers > > Mailing list numbers are very good. The announce list, if I recall > correctly, used to have ~8000 subscribers, so this would be a 40-50% > increment. Also, mailing list numbers show that when we write here we > write to a much larger audience than the regular posters. > > Website numbers are different. Good traffic, but all of it is quite > focused (3 pages, 2 minutes, few recurring visitors in percentage). if the 3 pages are the same we can of course focus to use this entry points and make them as useful as possible. Juergen This > can probably be explained by the fact that website visitors are mostly > people who download or update OpenOffice and are not planning to get > involved (on the other side, active volunteers will often use other > resources). Still, it's a potential that we can exploit. > > More numbers are coming next week as promised... But in general they > reinforce the idea that Apache OpenOffice is now a mature project with > good internal dynamics (even though I still see many fields where we > need help and mentoring) and that this is a good moment to change pace > and perspective, and use our full potential. More in one week at ApacheCon. > >> apacheCON is in less than a week away, tuesday will have a official AOO >> meeting for everybody (except timewasters according to some) > > Occasions for a meeting are rare. It's important that we use this time > at best. And that we come out with some great ideas and with motivated > people willing to implement them with respect and backing from the > community (and the PMC if you wish, but I find it sterile to distinguish > between the two: OpenOffice is not the playground of the PMC, it is a > community project for everybody to enjoy). > >> I personally look forward to that meeting. > > Me too! I'm looking forward to an exciting, productive discussion and, > if we need time, to a long night... > > Regards, > Andrea. > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
AW: [events] ODF Plugfest event next month in UK
Hello, I will attend the event as a member of the OpenDoc Society. Would be great if someone from this community could participate in the scenario-based tests for AOO! -- Regards, Arthur -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Afzender: Roberto Galoppini Verstuurd: Maandag 10 November 2014 17:04 Aan: dev Onderwerp: [events] ODF Plugfest event next month in UK Hi all, few of us are part of the ODF Plugfest organising committee, as such I've just sorted out that the next ODF Plugfest will happen very soon. Is anyone able to participate? http://plugfest.opendocumentformat.org/ Roberto
Re: emails to issues list
Hello Peter! Am 12.11.2014 um 02:07 schrieb Peter Junge: Why it is possible that someone can send emails directly to the issues mailing list? e. g. http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/openoffice-issues/201411.mbox/%3C91286B00937747BA82897BA23D28C798%40Mainframe%3E Likely I have moderated it through because it didn't stumble over that it's issues@ rather than qa@. Sorry, if that was the case. Will pay more attention in the future. Thanks for your answer! I don't know if this email was moderated. It was only a actual example but there was emails at the list earlier. See: http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/openoffice-issues/201410.mbox/%3CDUB120-DS8816A4B646CAC01026577D7B90%40phx.gbl%3E http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/openoffice-issues/201410.mbox/%3CAE85557F-5726-4BD7-8A38-F078DD086416%40yahoo.com%3E and follows. Regards, Mathias - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: emails to issues list
On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 11:49 AM, Rob Weir wrote: > On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 4:18 PM, Kay Schenk wrote: > > On 11/11/2014 08:49 AM, Mathias Röllig wrote: > >> Hello! > >> > >> Why it is possible that someone can send emails directly to the > >> issues mailing list? > >> > >> e. g. > >> > http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/openoffice-issues/201411.mbox/%3C91286B00937747BA82897BA23D28C798%40Mainframe%3E > >> > >> > >> > >> Regards, Mathias > > > > This is a good question. It does seem like all of the postings should > > only come from Bugzilla. We'll need to confer with INFRA on this. > > > > This is intentional, yes? The issues list *only* echoes traffic from > BZ. If you want to discuss an issue, do so via the BZ interface. > If we start doing email posts on the issues mailing list these > comments will be disconnected from the BZ issue. > > -Rob > Yes. I'll be happy to put in a ticket to INFRA about this particular mailing list. It shouldn't be handled the same way as our other lists -- i.e. with moderation, etc. So, if this is the case, we need to correct this. > > > > > > > -- > > - > > MzK > > > > "One must still have chaos in oneself to be able to give birth > > to a dancing star." > > -- Friedrich Nietzsche > > > > > -- - MzK "One must still have chaos in oneself to be able to give birth to a dancing star." -- Friedrich Nietzsche
Re: emails to issues list
On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 4:18 PM, Kay Schenk wrote: > On 11/11/2014 08:49 AM, Mathias Röllig wrote: >> Hello! >> >> Why it is possible that someone can send emails directly to the >> issues mailing list? >> >> e. g. >> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/openoffice-issues/201411.mbox/%3C91286B00937747BA82897BA23D28C798%40Mainframe%3E >> >> >> >> Regards, Mathias > > This is a good question. It does seem like all of the postings should > only come from Bugzilla. We'll need to confer with INFRA on this. > This is intentional, yes? The issues list *only* echoes traffic from BZ. If you want to discuss an issue, do so via the BZ interface. If we start doing email posts on the issues mailing list these comments will be disconnected from the BZ issue. -Rob > > > -- > - > MzK > > "One must still have chaos in oneself to be able to give birth > to a dancing star." > -- Friedrich Nietzsche > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: AOO mailing list subscription totals, and other tidbits
jan i wrote: On 12 November 2014 15:38, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: It's sometimes very interesting and there are some more numbers Mailing list numbers are very good. The announce list, if I recall correctly, used to have ~8000 subscribers, so this would be a 40-50% increment. Also, mailing list numbers show that when we write here we write to a much larger audience than the regular posters. Website numbers are different. Good traffic, but all of it is quite focused (3 pages, 2 minutes, few recurring visitors in percentage). This can probably be explained by the fact that website visitors are mostly people who download or update OpenOffice and are not planning to get involved (on the other side, active volunteers will often use other resources). Still, it's a potential that we can exploit. More numbers are coming next week as promised... But in general they reinforce the idea that Apache OpenOffice is now a mature project with good internal dynamics (even though I still see many fields where we need help and mentoring) and that this is a good moment to change pace and perspective, and use our full potential. More in one week at ApacheCon. apacheCON is in less than a week away, tuesday will have a official AOO meeting for everybody (except timewasters according to some) Occasions for a meeting are rare. It's important that we use this time at best. And that we come out with some great ideas and with motivated people willing to implement them with respect and backing from the community (and the PMC if you wish, but I find it sterile to distinguish between the two: OpenOffice is not the playground of the PMC, it is a community project for everybody to enjoy). I personally look forward to that meeting. Me too! I'm looking forward to an exciting, productive discussion and, if we need time, to a long night... Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
RE: grammar for StarMath
I'm interested in your long-term task. I think that would be useful to do.
I'm willing to work on that with you, especially if there is no hurry.
I don't think there is any operator precedence in StarMath 5.0, which is why it
is important to use explicit { ... }. It would be interesting to know what the
rule for implicit multiplication might be also, concerning the "2b" in a+{2b}.
That should be easy to check, and also to determine how clean unary versus
binary operations are distinguished.
I'm not clear that a grammar is easy to derive in the sense of BNF. One way
would be to try enough of the operators, brackets, etc., and see how they map.
One could also look at the parser in the code. Before going too far down that
road, perhaps the OpenOffice Forums have something in their collection of
material.
I expect that the parser is relatively simple with many reserved works,
providing more of a markup notation than a formula notation. (I suspect the
result is presentation of a formula more than it is something that can be
interpreted as a formula in the sense of evaluation or symbolic manipulation.)
I just looked at the commands.src file in AOO/trunk/main/staremath/source/ and
I think that tells you a lot about the grammar. I couldn't find anything about
the attributes. Experiments may be needed there.
My thinking is that there are some useful tests to run. In particular, will
OpenOffice Math work properly on an ODF Formula document that has no
annotation? (I.e., the StarMath portion is missing.) If the StarMath is
required, there is a pretty significant defect in either ODF 1.2 Part 1 or in
the implementation, since there is not enough information for someone to
interoperate one way, the other, or both.
If OpenOffice Math will open a MathML that has no (recognizable) annotation,
you could check the example you have, and others, by seeing what StarMath AOO
shows when such a MathML is loaded.
That would provide information for deducing the grammar. In particular, it
would help understand where {...} are needed for some of the attributes, how
brackets and {...} interact, etc.
Is this interesting?
- Dennis
-Original Message-
From: Regina Henschel [mailto:rb.hensc...@t-online.de]
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 00:18
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
Subject: Re: grammar for StarMath
Hi Dennis,
thank you for looking at it. But I'm looking for a BNF or other form of
derivation rules or any kind of informal specification.
The exported MathML is known to have structural deficits, for example 'a
+ 2 b' will result in
a
+
2
b
which is a structure '{a+2} b',
where it should be a structure 'a + {2 b}'.
It is a long-term task (in which I'm interested) to get a better
representation of the formulas in MathML and so be able to drop
StarMath. And therefore I'm looking for some developer information about
StarMath. If such does not exist, the way through examining code and
examples will be harder.
Kind regards
Regina
Dennis E. Hamilton schrieb:
> I have an incomplete result. You may have already explored this.
>
> First, saving an AOO Formula (.odf) as a StarMath 5.0 Formula (.smf) does not
> seem to be exported. There is no import for it either.
>
>You can still save as an OpenDocument.org .sxm formula or an ODF Formula
> (.odf). They are nearly identical.
>
> Both .sxm and .odf are Zip Packages and nearly identical. In particular, the
> content.xml is a MathML formula that has a StarMath 5.0 formula as an
> annotation. It is exactly the same formula that you end up editing in the
> lower window of the Apache OpenOffice Math (or LibreOffice Math) application.
> So the upper window shows the MathML rendering, and the lower window shows
> the StarMath 5.0! And the content.xml carries both.
>
> In effect, the Elements Tool and the hand editing that you do is creating
> StarMath that is then displayed via MathML in the upper, graphical-formula
> window.
>
> That doesn't provide the StarMath grammar except by example, but it is a way
> to build them experimentally and see.
>
> Finally, this led me to the Help Topic "Math formula editor" and click the
> Formulas link to get to "Welcome to the OpenOffice Math Help" page. The
> subtopic "Formula Reference Tables" seems to be the key. The color function
> is under "Attributes".
>
> StarMath uses {...} for precedence/grouping control in the same manner as TeX
> and LaTeX formulas.
>
> We can probably figure out the grammar by making examples of all the
> operators and other oddities.
>
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Re: AOO mailing list subscription totals, and other tidbits
On 12 November 2014 15:38, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: > On 12/11/14 14:55, jan i wrote: > > On 12 November 2014 00:30, Dave Barton wrote: > > > >> Rob Weir wrote: > >>> Here's the current total subscribers for the AOO mailing lists I > >> moderate: > >>> > >>> announce 11,318 > >>> users 584 > >>> dev 499 > >>> qa 277 > >>> l10n 233 > >>> marketing 173 > >>> api 149 > >>> > >>> (I'm not a moderator for the doc mailing list, so I can't retrieve that > >> number). > >>> > >>> We also have 3,522 Twitter followers, 13,000 Facebook "likes" and > >>> 7,368 Google+ followers. > >>> > >>> And we receive 230,000 visitors to the website per day. > >>> > >>> -Rob > >> > >> doc 147 > >> > > > > Thanks for making this information public. Considering that most > end-users > > use our website and/or forum it can only be considered as quite good > > numbers. > > some more numbers via Google analytics > > 6,850,955 - The total number of visits to your site this month > > 02:03 - The average amount of time someone spends on your site in a > single session > > 3 The average number of pages viewed in a single session > > Visits top countries > 1,128,246 - United States > 992,850 - France > 695,603 - Germany > 501,777 - Italy > 338,467 - United Kingdom > > Unique visitors > 5,413,113 New Visitors > 521,008 Return Visitors > 5,934,121 Unique Visitors > > Top keywords > open office 78880 Visits > openoffice 62311 Visits > オープンオフィス7859 Visits > openoffice download 4792 Visits > openoffice.org 4632 Visits > > It's sometimes very interesting and there are some more numbers > > Juergen > > > > > rgds > > jan i. > > > > > >> Dave > >> > >> > >> > >> - > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > >> > >> > > > This is indeed very interesting numbers, our user base are there and have expections of what we deliver. With this motivation injection, we should start putting the foot down on the speeder and accelerate the growth of our project. With that many users believing in us, we should deliver and not just talk. apacheCON is in less than a week away, tuesday will have a official AOO meeting for everybody (except timewasters according to some), I personally look forward to that meeting. On this list I can only speculate that hopefully the PMC will get together, and show a strong front with responses on how to move forward. We as a project need a PMC that stand together and show the world (and the community) how great a product we haveand more importantly show by example how we can accelerate our development. Even though I am no longer PMC (at my own will, due to reasons that should be obvious), I still care a lot about the project, and want to help it back into being the big success it once was (remark I wrote project, not PMC). looking forward to see hopefully a lot of you in Budapest (just look for a big viking). rgds jan i. > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > >
Re: AOO mailing list subscription totals, and other tidbits
On 12/11/14 14:55, jan i wrote: > On 12 November 2014 00:30, Dave Barton wrote: > >> Rob Weir wrote: >>> Here's the current total subscribers for the AOO mailing lists I >> moderate: >>> >>> announce 11,318 >>> users 584 >>> dev 499 >>> qa 277 >>> l10n 233 >>> marketing 173 >>> api 149 >>> >>> (I'm not a moderator for the doc mailing list, so I can't retrieve that >> number). >>> >>> We also have 3,522 Twitter followers, 13,000 Facebook "likes" and >>> 7,368 Google+ followers. >>> >>> And we receive 230,000 visitors to the website per day. >>> >>> -Rob >> >> doc 147 >> > > Thanks for making this information public. Considering that most end-users > use our website and/or forum it can only be considered as quite good > numbers. some more numbers via Google analytics 6,850,955 - The total number of visits to your site this month 02:03 - The average amount of time someone spends on your site in a single session 3 The average number of pages viewed in a single session Visits top countries 1,128,246 - United States 992,850 - France 695,603 - Germany 501,777 - Italy 338,467 - United Kingdom Unique visitors 5,413,113 New Visitors 521,008 Return Visitors 5,934,121 Unique Visitors Top keywords open office 78880 Visits openoffice 62311 Visits オープンオフィス7859 Visits openoffice download 4792 Visits openoffice.org 4632 Visits It's sometimes very interesting and there are some more numbers Juergen > > rgds > jan i. > > >> Dave >> >> >> >> - >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org >> >> > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: AOO mailing list subscription totals, and other tidbits
On 12 November 2014 00:30, Dave Barton wrote: > Rob Weir wrote: > > Here's the current total subscribers for the AOO mailing lists I > moderate: > > > > announce 11,318 > > users 584 > > dev 499 > > qa 277 > > l10n 233 > > marketing 173 > > api 149 > > > > (I'm not a moderator for the doc mailing list, so I can't retrieve that > number). > > > > We also have 3,522 Twitter followers, 13,000 Facebook "likes" and > > 7,368 Google+ followers. > > > > And we receive 230,000 visitors to the website per day. > > > > -Rob > > doc 147 > Thanks for making this information public. Considering that most end-users use our website and/or forum it can only be considered as quite good numbers. rgds jan i. > Dave > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > >
Re: grammar for StarMath
Hi Dennis,
thank you for looking at it. But I'm looking for a BNF or other form of
derivation rules or any kind of informal specification.
The exported MathML is known to have structural deficits, for example 'a
+ 2 b' will result in
a
+
2
b
which is a structure '{a+2} b',
where it should be a structure 'a + {2 b}'.
It is a long-term task (in which I'm interested) to get a better
representation of the formulas in MathML and so be able to drop
StarMath. And therefore I'm looking for some developer information about
StarMath. If such does not exist, the way through examining code and
examples will be harder.
Kind regards
Regina
Dennis E. Hamilton schrieb:
I have an incomplete result. You may have already explored this.
First, saving an AOO Formula (.odf) as a StarMath 5.0 Formula (.smf) does not
seem to be exported. There is no import for it either.
You can still save as an OpenDocument.org .sxm formula or an ODF Formula
(.odf). They are nearly identical.
Both .sxm and .odf are Zip Packages and nearly identical. In particular, the
content.xml is a MathML formula that has a StarMath 5.0 formula as an
annotation. It is exactly the same formula that you end up editing in the
lower window of the Apache OpenOffice Math (or LibreOffice Math) application.
So the upper window shows the MathML rendering, and the lower window shows the
StarMath 5.0! And the content.xml carries both.
In effect, the Elements Tool and the hand editing that you do is creating
StarMath that is then displayed via MathML in the upper, graphical-formula
window.
That doesn't provide the StarMath grammar except by example, but it is a way to
build them experimentally and see.
Finally, this led me to the Help Topic "Math formula editor" and click the Formulas link to get to
"Welcome to the OpenOffice Math Help" page. The subtopic "Formula Reference Tables" seems to be
the key. The color function is under "Attributes".
StarMath uses {...} for precedence/grouping control in the same manner as TeX
and LaTeX formulas.
We can probably figure out the grammar by making examples of all the operators
and other oddities.
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