Re: Wrongful information on the Wikipedia

[David Gerard]

On Wed, 16 Sep 2015 21:27:53 GMT, Rob Weir  wrote:

> Last word, in case the inference is unclear.   We're dealing with a
> sophisticated serial infringer on Wikipedia.  Correcting erroneous
> information, which is proper to do, is unlikely to be achieved via an
> edit war.  Don't bring a knife to a gunfight.   Any progress would
> only be made by showing Mr. Gerard's own conflict  and his bad will
> (not hard to do),  and escalating it within the the formal Wikipedia
> appeals process, patiently dealing with the ministerial types to whom
> bureaucratic process is dear.  Since Dennis does not want to discuss
> this on the list, feel free to contact me offline if anyone wishes to
> discuss this further.


When you're putting together a plan for marketing efforts concerning a
Wikipedia article, it may help if you don't leave prima facie evidence
of your coordinated effort on a public mailing list.

Editing with a conflict of interest is not specifically disallowed by
Wikipedia policies, but ideally it should be avoided. Note example on
the talk page, where a list participant properly noted his involvement
when this was brought to his attention.

Relevant guideline: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest

You should note also that a "conflict of interest" does not mean a
differing opinion, and also that improperly founded accusations of COI
are held to constitute personal attacks and should ideally be avoided.

There are those (e.g. Jimmy Wales) who believe public relations
efforts on Wikipedia should work to the "bright line" standard, where
you don't go near the article at all, and certainly don't try to
coordinate an off-site attack on a Wikipedia contributor because you
believe they are not helping your marketing. This is something the
project, and the Foundation in general, should probably consider.

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Re: Anything we can do about premature redistribution?

[David Gerard]

On 7 March 2014 22:30, Andrew Rist andrew.r...@oracle.com wrote:

It is derived from the IBM Lotus Symphony suite of applications...
- not correct


https://blogs.apache.org/OOo/entry/merging_lotus_symphony_allegro_moderato
suggests this is not an unfair statement. Indeed, just rebasing on the
Symphony code was seriously considered.


Ever since the Oracle Corporation acquired the Sun Microsystems
company, work on Apache OpenOffice ceased, and various developers
who worked on the project decided to create a new project, named
LibreOffice. - neither correct nor pertinent


That's ridiculously wrong, to the point of warranting formal messages
of correction from both projects.


In general, I would suggest asking nicely as the very first approach,
when the beta is in fact approved and ready.


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Re: More annoying FUD

[David Gerard]

On 18 February 2014 22:30, Kazunari Hirano khir...@gmail.com wrote:

 I don't understand numbers on the table.
 For example, Dzongkha.
 Where does the number, 171,300, come from?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dzongkha says 171,000 native speakers as
of 2006, sourced from Ethnologue.


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Re: Unused patches

[David Gerard]

On 22 December 2013 21:12, jan i j...@apache.org wrote:
 On 22 December 2013 21:13, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:

 We would probably want to confirm with the original author for any
 pre-Apache patches, to make sure that the patch is given under ALv2.
 The exception might be those who were Sun/Oracle/IBM employees at the
 time.

 How about we do it the other way round, we sent a mail the the authors
 stating we assume the accept alv2 unless we hear from them within x days  ?


Because as well as being profoundly rude, that would be a copyright
violation unless you are absolutely sure that (a) every contributor
signed a Sun or Oracle CLA (b) that the patch was accepted under said
CLA (does putting a patch in Bugzilla count as a contribution if it
wasn't accepted?) (c) that copyright on all said patches was covered
by the Oracle grant (as, e.g., the CWSes may not be).


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Re: 80 million downloads

[David Gerard]

On 3 December 2013 21:12, jan i j...@apache.org wrote:

 I have (for ubuntu) tried to read through the policies which was a
 nightmare.


The first thing would be to get into Debian. I recall the steps there
were set out (basically, have an install set that doesn't conflict in
any way with LO - however fair or unfair that might be, it's what you
need to do). MATE managed it in the face of GNOME 3, so AOO should be
able to.


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Re: 80 million downloads

[David Gerard]

cool :-) Is that 4.x only, or 3.4.x as well?

On 27 November 2013 19:23, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
 Yesterday we reached 80,072,389 downloads.

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Re: JIRA instead of Bugzilla?

[David Gerard]

On 7 November 2013 22:28, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:

 So for argument's sake, and speaking purely hypothetically, what are
 the pros and cons of moving to JIRA?  It is worth at least discussing
 whether this would be something worth looking into.


Pro: works well in corporate environments.

Con: closed-source. Is your data exportable? If not, that *should* be
a dealbreaker.

In-between: how well does it work for other open source projects? We
use it at work; Jira as a service is quite fast. But I regard it as
clocking up things that will be used for bogus metrics; I have no idea
if it's actually useful to users or developers.

Here's a ranty blog post about bug trackers and Wikimedia (by a WMF
staffer): http://old.ironholds.org/?p=714

tl;dr all bug trackers suck, because the expectations of developers
and the expectations of users are almost impossible to reconcile; the
workable compromise is something where you have all the data and can
do maintenance if you have to.


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Re: 69,982,501 downloads of AOO

[David Gerard]

How's AOO 4.x going?

On 3 October 2013 14:37, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
 As of last night we have had 69,982,501 downloads of AOO, across all
 versions.  Sometime today we should hit 70 million.  Maybe it happened
 already!

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Re: Can we do this email thing (whatever it is called)?

[David Gerard]

On 17 September 2013 18:09, Donald Whytock dwhyt...@apache.org wrote:

 But a lot of products have a pop-up on startup with tips, which I assume
 are packaged with the product.  That can be made optional, it can cycle
 through tips or select from them randomly, it can allow the users to page
 through the tips if they want, and you can make the tip file a periodic
 mini-update without requiring an entire release.


Yes, I remember MS Word telling me Don't run with scissors ...


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Re: FYI: OpenOffice for Android

[David Gerard]

On 9 September 2013 17:44, Mr. Phan Anh ppa...@gmail.com wrote:

 AS you mentioned about the source, we will get stuck in middle of
 something that belongs to the trademark.



Which trademark are you talking about? The only mention of an
Apache-owned trademark appears to be AndrOpen Office is forked
project from the Apache OpenOffice project. AndrOpen Office is not
affiliated with the Apache OpenOffice project., which is surely
nominative use.


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Re: Yet another flyer

[David Gerard]

On 30 August 2013 18:46, Drew Jensen drewjensen.in...@gmail.com wrote:

 I needed to get my head back into thinking AOO look and feel, so decided
 why not work on a flyer or two - likely this is superfluous to what you
 already have however
 https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bx7ZNEXlmR0IT3JTSWZZSktzODQ



Nice one! Though OpenOffice on its own is someone else's trademark,
so care should be taken in abusing it.


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Re: Yet another flyer

[David Gerard]

On 30 August 2013 18:53, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:

 Nice one! Though OpenOffice on its own is someone else's trademark,
 so care should be taken in abusing it.



I mean, *not* to abuse it. Sorry!


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Re: Yet another flyer

[David Gerard]

On 30 August 2013 23:17, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:

 Trademarks apply to a specific class of product.  There is no other
 OpenOffice, Apache OpenOffice or OpenOffice.org that is a software
 application.This is why the jobs website Monster.com can exist
 along with Monster Cables, or Apple Records can exist along with Apple
 Computer.  So long as we use the full name at first use for clarity,
 we should feel free to use the shorter form in the rest of the
 document.  This has been our practice on the website, press releases,
 documentation, etc.


http://openoffice.nl/merkenregistratie

Are you quite sure this applies? I presume Apache legal have in fact
done some hard thinking on this point.


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Re: Regarding Rtf to PDF conversion using openoffice

[David Gerard]

We actually do DOC to PDF conversion at my work. This involves running
the DOC through OOo 3.2 on the Ubuntu 10.04 server in question. (OOo
3.2 is the Ubuntu distro version, so actually Go-oo; we previously did
the same thing in OOo 3.1 on a Solaris server using Sun OOo.)

We wanted to go directly from RTF to PDF, but the RTF import filter in
any of OOo, AOO or LO was not up to the task of reading the broken RTF
generated by Apache FOP.

The way we do it is to shell out to soffice from a Perl CGI. This is
pretty heavyweight, but the conversion doesn't run very often.

(Apparently you can set up OOo and descendants to work as a daemon,
but we could never get that to work properly.)


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On 28 August 2013 09:48, prajakta chalak praj.cha...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi sir,
This is regarding rtf to PDF conversion using openoffice,which all dll's
 or assembly's are required.


 Thanks in anticipation

 Regards,
 Prajakta Chalak
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Does AOO use the new SourceForge Windows installer?

[David Gerard]

http://www.gluster.org/2013/08/how-far-the-once-mighty-sourceforge-has-fallen/

Is AOO using the installer in question, or its own?


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Re: Some thoughts on quality

[David Gerard]

On 14 August 2013 20:39, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:


 Maybe we need to call an earlier build the RC so it will get more
 attention?   We had a complete test build that we were testing for
 over a month.  But maybe it is ignored unless we call it an RC?  In
 other words, there were many opportunities for users to help try 4.0
 before it was released, but maybe there opportunities were not well
 known.



It basically wasn't publicised. I knew about it because I actually went
looking for it (goal: to put an image on the Wikipedia article of the 4.0
sidebar). It took a bit of ferreting about to find the prereleases. I've
followed the list all this year, so I knew (a) it existed (b) what to ask
about; the percentage of AOO users on the dev list is all but invisible.

Suggestion 1: note prereleases on the blog and in the social media channels.

Suggestion 2: do an RC for 4.0.1 as well. Even if you don't think there's a
need to, and fully expect the RC to be byte-for-byte identical to the final
release, people will appreciate being asked.

The Cathedral and the Bazaar still applies. Release early, release often.
You could have had six months' intense testing from users who were
seriously interested.


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Re: Proposal -- AOO 4.0.1 Release

[David Gerard]

On 5 August 2013 22:32, janI j...@apache.org wrote:

 When I consider what I hear in the real world, I would prefer a fast
 release, solving the most important issues. We always have the possibility
 to make a 4.02 if really needed.


x.0.x releases monthly are the way to go. I think LibreOffice really
got this right. If you do this, the users will be happier because they
anticipate happiness in the *near* future, not a year from now.


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Re: OpenOffice Writer 4.0.0 crashes, Writer 3.4.1 works correctly

[David Gerard]

On 3 August 2013 14:31, Emanuele emanuel...@gmail.com wrote:

 Trying with smaller chunks, the problematic text seems to be: ਪੰਜਾਬੀ
 http://pa.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%A8%89%E0%A9%B1%E0%A8%A4%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%86%E0%A8%A7%E0%A9%81%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%95%E0%A8%A4%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%B5%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%A6
 (the one before Polski).


Reproduced here with freshly-installed en-US on Windows 7 - I paste
the text, the Windows OpenOffice 4.0.0 has stopped working comes up.
Behaves correctly in LO 4.1.0.4. Is there a bug report yet?


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Re: Use AOO under IBM AIX?

[David Gerard]

On 29 July 2013 18:57, Marcus (OOo) marcus.m...@wtnet.de wrote:
 Am 07/29/2013 07:38 PM, schrieb Jörg Schmidt:

 Is it possible to install AOO on IBM AIX [1] and use?

 No, the CPU architecture doesn't fit.


Debian claims to run LO on S/390 LInux, so that shouldn't be an
*impossibility*.
http://packages.debian.org/sid/s390/libreoffice-base/filelist

Assuming that anyone anywhere actually *runs* it.
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=32178 shows people
building early LOs, which were quite close to OOo.


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Re: Use AOO under IBM AIX?

[David Gerard]

On 29 July 2013 19:57, Marcus (OOo) marcus.m...@wtnet.de wrote:

 Joerg and me wrote about the *binaries* not the code. Of course the code can
 be ported to other systems.


Sorry, wasn't clear :-) Does AIX run S/390 binaries?


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Re: Use AOO under IBM AIX?

[David Gerard]

On 29 July 2013 21:25, Fernando Cassia fcas...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 4:02 PM, Marcus (OOo) marcus.m...@wtnet.de wrote:

 Any AOO binary cannot be installed on AIX as it is not optimized and
 compiled for this operating system. That means first at least one developer
 has to port AOO to AIX.

 I remember the good old days when AIX sales reps touted its ability to
 run Linux apps just a recompile away...


So the very first thing is for someone with an AIX box to try it ;-)


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Pasting HTML not possible in AOO 4.0?

[David Gerard]

Just preparing to update the Wikipedia article, and tried pasting from
a web page into AOO 4.0.0 Writer. It gives Requested clipboard format
not available. (The paste works fine in LO 4.0 and is formatted as
one would expect it to just work.)

Is this actually supposed to happen - no ability to c'n'p from a web
page - or will it be a weirdness of my setup? Admittedly I'm running
the Windows binary under Wine ...


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Re: Pasting HTML not possible in AOO 4.0?

[David Gerard]

On 22 July 2013 15:10, Ricardo Berlasso rgb.m...@gmail.com wrote:
 2013/7/22 David Gerard dger...@gmail.com

 Is this actually supposed to happen - no ability to c'n'p from a web
 page - or will it be a weirdness of my setup? Admittedly I'm running
 the Windows binary under Wine ...

 That's the answer... ;)
 Copy-paste from web work without problems on native Linux binaries. Note
 that Linux clipboard works different from windows clipboard: I think that
 if you copy from a win firefox running on wine to the win AOO running on
 wine you'll have no problem, but copying from a Linux app and pasting to a
 win app running atop of wine... well, that's wine's problem/bug.


Yeah, I just got Windows LO to do the same :-) Sorry to trouble the list!


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Re: question

[David Gerard]

On 28 June 2013 16:36, Rory O'Farrell ofarr...@iol.ie wrote:
 On Fri, 28 Jun 2013 09:19:52 -0500
 Joann Mitchell joann.mit...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hello!  Will your program read/open/work with WordPerfect files?

 Versions 3.3 and before will, as far as I know.  Later versions (3.4.x and 
 4.0) won't, because of code licensing.


Is there up-to-date documentation somewhere of which versions open
which formats, or at least a definitive list of what 3.4/4.0 open and
write? I've found these, which are old (and both say the program can
open WordPerfect):

http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/OOoAuthors_User_Manual/Getting_Started/File_formats
http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/OOo3_User_Guides/Getting_Started/File_formats


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Re: Download stats per platform?

[David Gerard]

On 17 June 2013 21:45, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
 On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 2:32 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:

 In the first 1 million or so AOO downloads, the breakdown was 87%
 Windows, 11% Macintosh and 2% Linux.
 But, of course, there's been over 50 million. Do we have a
 per-platform breakdown of the numbers since then for AOO?

 It sounds like you want this chart:
 https://blogs.apache.org/OOo/mediaresource/690f6d03-d666-4003-b1b2-8e44331e2511
 From this blog post:
 https://blogs.apache.org/OOo/entry/apache_openoffice_one_year_50


That's the one, thank you! Do you have the % numbers that went into the graph?


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Re: Next steps for AOO 4.0 Logo Selection

[David Gerard]

On 28 May 2013 18:12, Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org wrote:

 It never occurred to me that those were flying books.  Taking another look, 
 it still doesn't work.  If made more obviously as books, I'm not sure how 
 that will occur as indicative of an office productivity suite.  (I have no 
 idea how birds in flight do that either, but it is probably better to avoid 
 trying for a literal connection.)


Slightly tangential historical question, if anyone here remembers
authoritatively:

What was the origin of the OpenOffice.org gull motif, way back when?

Is (or was) this documented anywhere?


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Re: OpenOffice vs Microsoft Office comparison chart...

[David Gerard]

On 9 April 2013 17:25, Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com wrote:

 I came across this chart comparing LibreOffice vs Microsoft Office...
 https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Feature_Comparison:_LibreOffice_-_Microsoft_Office
 Do we have anything similar/more recent than the information I found in:
 http://www.openoffice.org/dev_docs/features/3.0/
 or ???


Wikipedia has:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_OpenDocument_software
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Office_Open_XML_software
(badly outdated)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_office_suites

- which don't go into nearly as fine detail about features, but are
hosted by an uninvolved third party.


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OpenOffice blog planets all dead - is there a new one?

[David Gerard]

http://www.openoffice.org/editorial/blogs.html

This page is seriously out of date. In particular, there's four blog
planets listed there, none of which are operational. Is there a new
blog planet? Should there be?


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Re: A question about existing practices

[David Gerard]

On 19 March 2013 01:21, Guenter Marxen guenter.mar...@googlemail.com wrote:

 I always have accepted, that the lack of ressources/developers prevents to
 solve some/many issues in time, but I could hardly accept, that old
 stuff in bugzilla is reset/deleted and hence forgotten. I think, that some
 old users (issuers) would be frustrated.


The CADT model: http://www.jwz.org/doc/cadt.html


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Re: Wiki Accessibility

[David Gerard]

On 14 February 2013 16:05, janI j...@apache.org wrote:

 Hi you are quite right, our create account is not friendly towards blind
 people, having said that we need something like that in order to fight
 spam, and anybody who has a problem creating an account can mail this help
 and will get help.


rationalwiki.org, which I'm a volunteer sysadmin on, uses MediaWiki
with QuestyCaptcha with some success:

https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:QuestyCaptcha

It asks a question in text form. This utterly confuses the spambots in
our experience.

Downside: it's really annoying to configure.


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Re: Performance test comparisons

[David Gerard]

On 12 February 2013 12:42, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:

 I just did a basic test, seeing how long it took to load a large text
 document, in this case the ODF 1.2 specification.  I looked at memory
 consumed and the number of seconds to load.  I loaded the document
 once to reduce the impact of disk caching and then repeated 5 times
 and took the average.  All tests done on identical hardware.


http://neowiki.neooffice.org/index.php/NeoOffice_Performance_Comparison
is old, but may be useful for developing a good list of benchmarks.
Note the MS Word column.


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Re: Calc behavior: result of 0 ^ 0

[David Gerard]

On 10 February 2013 00:39, Dennis E. Hamilton orc...@apache.org wrote:

 It is not clear that OpenOffice-lineage software has returned the same value 
 for POWER(0,0) over the years.  It seems that a third-party library has been 
 relied upon for the implementation and there was apparently not much 
 attention to edge cases.  If that library changes or is different on 
 different platforms, there is the prospect of unexpected differences.  It is 
 good that this is being nailed down.


Out of curiosity, I just tried on OOo 1.0.3, 2.2 and 2.4 and LO 4.0
(all Windows); all return value 1 for =0^0 . MS Word 2007, of course,
returns NaN.

For interop, there is LO 4.0 to consider as well as MS Word.


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Re: Mwiki is moved into maintenance mode.

[David Gerard]

On 8 February 2013 21:52, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote:

 - Move cwiki to mwiki.
 this has been discussed/decided earlier, but might need a positive
 decision.

 I agree, we can progressively move stuff by turning pages into redirects to
 the MWiki. This may take time but could be the less problematic way (for
 example, I had created the FOSDEM pages on the cwiki but they should be
 moved to the mwiki since other FOSDEM pages are archived there). A drastic
 redirect could confuse people who are actively working on some pages, like
 the logo discussions.
 Is there some filter to allow smooth translation of cwiki syntax?


There appear to be no commonly-available filters to move pages in bulk
from Confluence to MediaWiki, preserving links and formatting.

The general problem is that anyone who moves a wiki from one engine to
another does the job precisely once, so there's no-one who really
maintains a good converter script, and the knowledge doesn't
accumulate (as it does in an ongoing open-source project).

That said, there are people who do want to move from Confluence to
MediaWiki and end up doing it by a quick hack without the knowledge
accumulating. So if you do go for an automated method and come up with
a script, please do put the details and script up on
http://mediawiki.org , and others with the same problem in the future
will be grateful.


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Re: Apache OpenOffice in Fedora 19?

[David Gerard]

On 8 February 2013 08:45, RA Stehmann anw...@rechtsanwalt-stehmann.de wrote:

 It's not only Fedora, but also other GNU/Linux distributions using such
 transitional packages. It's a common way supporting users to update
 their system.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nominative_use


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Re: Apache OpenOffice in Fedora 19?

[David Gerard]

On 8 February 2013 11:55, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
 On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 3:48 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 8 February 2013 08:45, RA Stehmann anw...@rechtsanwalt-stehmann.de 
 wrote:

 It's not only Fedora, but also other GNU/Linux distributions using such
 transitional packages. It's a common way supporting users to update
 their system.

 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nominative_use

 That's not nominative use.  Nominative use would be to use the
 trademark in talking about the trademarked product.  Using the
 trademark to describe some other product is not nominative use.  This
 argument is even stronger when we have, as we do, documented cases of
 users being confused, thinking they are getting OpenOffice, but
 instead getting LibreOffice.


A transitional package is something a distribution uses for upgrades
of the whole distribution. Transitional packages are not things
intended for installation by the end user. They are used when a
package has changed names, or when one package has been removed and
replaced with another.

In the latter case, the old software is referred to by its name, as
the thing intended to be removed; that's a functional requirement.

In a thread about trying to get distributions to take on AOO, you're
talking about sending legal claims to distributions to try to stop
them using the standard mechanisms they used to leave openoffice.org.
It is possible this may not give anything like the desired result. (I
could be wrong, of course, and you could succeed hugely.)


- d.

Re: Apache OpenOffice in Fedora 19?

[David Gerard]

On 30 January 2013 23:10, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:

 This is a great step, Andrea.  Apache OpenOffice has many Linux users.
  We see this in the download numbers.  But today the install
 experience is, like many things in Linux, more complicated than the
 average immigrant from Windows-land is accustomed to.  So making this
 real simple will be key.


FWIW, I found installing the download debs in Ubuntu completely straightforward.


- d.

Re: OpenOffice on Wikipedia (was: In case you missed it: The OpenOffice Wikipedia page was FUD'ed over the holidays)

[David Gerard]

On 22 January 2013 15:06, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:


 I'm not going to do this on your timing or your terms.


The other apposite Wikipedia policy page:

  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Assume_good_faith

(Compare: https://cwiki.apache.org/OOOUSERS/draftlist-conduct-policy.html )


 A look at the article history [1] shows that as most of us were
 enjoying conviviality with friends and family, you were spending your
 Christmas and New Year's holidays making hundreds of edits to the
 OpenOffice article.  This suggests to me a more than slightly
 obsessive nature.


I've been editing Wikipedia since 2004, so I think that can be
reasonably assumed. (That or boredom.)


  So the prudent course would be to simply wait for
 you to find another axe to grind, another crusade, another target for
 your attentios.  Then, when you are immersed in some other grand
 mission, calmer heads will prevail, and I would not be surprised if
 the article were then totally rewritten.


That would be pretty much what I did. The page was a neglected
disaster, with things like formatting errors that had been there
months. I looked through the edit history since 2004, and it had never
at any time been a coherently-written page.

Much as with AOO, Wikipedia tends to be a do-ocracy; I'm sure you've
long tired of people who only complain when you finally do something
and they don't like the way you did it.

At present IMO the page is mediocre and slightly coherent, which is at
least better than it was before.

A good place to raise issues with the article is its talk page:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:OpenOffice Although Rob certainly
may have other things to do with his time, others here may have a
moment to raise issues.


- d.


[1]

OpenOffice on Wikipedia (was: In case you missed it: The OpenOffice Wikipedia page was FUD'ed over the holidays)

[David Gerard]

Rob Weir wrote:

Take a look at the lovely new page:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenOffice
Some choice bits of distortion:


Thanks for publicising this. I really did mean I wanted more eyes on it.

Useful pages in dealing with contentious topics (which is everything):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Verifiability
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Identifying_reliable_sources

Cheers, looking forward to help. The talk page welcomes you!

Anyone with a good clippings file for the history of OO from 2000?
Such a history, that gets across *why* OO is as historically important
as it is, is not yet written, as far as I know. I went through the OO
clippings pages and archive.org but didn't find a lot.


- d.