Re: CMS Build Down?
Yes it was unable to connect in chrome, which might explain why my browser was hanging when I clicked request to stage, the backend code is probably blocking while it isn't able to connect to staging to stage. This may interfere with Rob updating logo to the doodle on the home page if not fixed by Thursday morning :S -Samer
Re: Close, but not quite 100 million...
I heard we're getting close. Here is a doodle I put together: http://s28.postimg.org/t2b93detp/1_Mill_AOOClear140px.png http://s14.postimg.org/twbuik4dd/1_Mill_AOOClear80px.png When I see we hit 1,000,000 I can resize, position and update our social media profile backgrounds. Samer. On Sun, Mar 9, 2014 at 5:45 AM, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote: On 05/03/2014 jan i wrote: If somebody with drawing skills, could make a near 100 million logo before march 24, I will for sure add it to my first slide. The trend is clear and the official counter (which includes the language packs) is already over 100 millions. There is still a month before ApacheCon, so I suggest that we go directly for the 100 millions logo for ApacheCon in any case. Is the official template for slides already available? Speakers in the OpenOffice track could use a slightly modified template with the 100 millions OpenOffice logo in that case. Of course we still need someone who can design the 100 millions logo variant of the official OpenOffice 4 logo! Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: FW: Quote requested-Open Office 3
Odd, I thought this was pretty obvious: https://www.openoffice.org/why/why_sme.html Its only 2 clicks into the site. I want to learn more - Businesses, third bullet down. This may be a product of our localized sites not existing / being updated. This person was inquiring for a Malaysian business, not sure if the person inquiring was also from Malaysia. Samer On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 7:59 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: This seems to be an FAQ item: What are commercial terms for AOO? Where is a good place to put this FAQ? -Rob On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 3:10 AM, Jain, Rahul rahul.j...@softwareone.com wrote: Hello Team, Please respond to our mail on urgent basis. Thanks Best Regards, Rahul Jain Global Procurement Team [image: Description: Description: cid:image001.jpg@01CCB2FE.5C377F40] http://www.softwareone.com/ *From:* Global Vendor Publisher Management *Sent:* Thursday, April 10, 2014 6:52 PM *To:* 'marketing-subscr...@openoffice.apache.org' *Subject:* FW: Quote requested-Open Office 3 *Importance:* High Hello, We are waiting for your response. Thanks Best Regards, Rahul Jain Global Procurement Team [image: Description: Description: cid:image001.jpg@01CCB2FE.5C377F40] http://www.softwareone.com/ *From:* Global Vendor Publisher Management *Sent:* Wednesday, April 9, 2014 12:09 PM *To:* 'marketing-subscr...@openoffice.apache.org' *Subject:* FW: Quote requested-Open Office 3 *Importance:* High Hello, We are waiting for your response. Thanks Best Regards, Rahul Jain Global Procurement Team [image: Description: Description: cid:image001.jpg@01CCB2FE.5C377F40] http://www.softwareone.com/ *From:* Global Vendor Publisher Management *Sent:* Tuesday, April 8, 2014 4:33 PM *To:* 'marketing-subscr...@openoffice.apache.org' *Subject:* Quote requested-Open Office 3 *Importance:* High Hello Team, We have an end user ‘Stamford College’ interested in below mentioned license for their environment in Malaysia. They have reached out to SoftwareONE Malaysia to see if we were able to procure this software for them. SoftwareONE has earlier also has done business with you and we request you to please provide the below details for this request: *Sku No.* *Item Description* *Qty* *List Price* *(per user)* *Currency* *Language Code* *Operating System* *Version* *Reseller Discount* *(in %)* *Customer Discount* *(if applicable)* Open Office 3(Educational prices) 3 1 Year Maintenance (Mandatory/ Optional) 3 Years Maintenance (Mandatory/ Optional) *Note: Please specify what all is included in Maintenance and if Maintenance is Recurring or not.* *Bill-to-SWO Location: SWO *Malaysia *Deploy-to-Customer Location: *Malaysia We also request you to please share the reseller pricelist mentioning the reseller discount and price list validity. Kindly mention your terms and conditions: Price Validity Payment Terms Delivery Time Freight Charges Process of placing order Taxes EULA link Downgrade rights Please also confirm whether the product is available *per user/ per server*? Thank you for your time and attention and I look forward to your prompt response on this matter. If I can be of further assistance, please feel free to contact me. Best Regards, Rahul Jain Global Procurement Team [image: Description: Description: cid:image001.jpg@01CCB2FE.5C377F40] http://www.softwareone.com/
Re: Close, but not quite 100 million...
Oh wow, :S !!! Good catch. On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 9:44 AM, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann orwittm...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi, On 14.04.2014 15:32, Samer Mansour wrote: I heard we're getting close. Here is a doodle I put together: http://s28.postimg.org/t2b93detp/1_Mill_AOOClear140px.png http://s14.postimg.org/twbuik4dd/1_Mill_AOOClear80px.png When I see we hit 1,000,000 I can resize, position and update our social media profile backgrounds. It is 100.000.000 million downloads - two zeros more. Best regards, Oliver. Samer. On Sun, Mar 9, 2014 at 5:45 AM, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote: On 05/03/2014 jan i wrote: If somebody with drawing skills, could make a near 100 million logo before march 24, I will for sure add it to my first slide. The trend is clear and the official counter (which includes the language packs) is already over 100 millions. There is still a month before ApacheCon, so I suggest that we go directly for the 100 millions logo for ApacheCon in any case. Is the official template for slides already available? Speakers in the OpenOffice track could use a slightly modified template with the 100 millions OpenOffice logo in that case. Of course we still need someone who can design the 100 millions logo variant of the official OpenOffice 4 logo! Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Close, but not quite 100 million...
Here we go: http://s28.postimg.org/nuwli5jd9/100_Mill_AOO140px.png Let me know what sizes we need, I can also rearrange to fit a less wide format if needed. On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 9:58 AM, Samer Mansour samer...@gmail.com wrote: Oh wow, :S !!! Good catch. On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 9:44 AM, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann orwittm...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi, On 14.04.2014 15:32, Samer Mansour wrote: I heard we're getting close. Here is a doodle I put together: http://s28.postimg.org/t2b93detp/1_Mill_AOOClear140px.png http://s14.postimg.org/twbuik4dd/1_Mill_AOOClear80px.png When I see we hit 1,000,000 I can resize, position and update our social media profile backgrounds. It is 100.000.000 million downloads - two zeros more. Best regards, Oliver. Samer. On Sun, Mar 9, 2014 at 5:45 AM, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote: On 05/03/2014 jan i wrote: If somebody with drawing skills, could make a near 100 million logo before march 24, I will for sure add it to my first slide. The trend is clear and the official counter (which includes the language packs) is already over 100 millions. There is still a month before ApacheCon, so I suggest that we go directly for the 100 millions logo for ApacheCon in any case. Is the official template for slides already available? Speakers in the OpenOffice track could use a slightly modified template with the 100 millions OpenOffice logo in that case. Of course we still need someone who can design the 100 millions logo variant of the official OpenOffice 4 logo! Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Quote requested-Open Office 3
I like https://www.openoffice.org/faq.html as the URL, its very clear, the apache cms can serve this FAQ functionality. I can review google analytics to see where the traffic to the faq.html is currently coming from. Suggest /faq.html should be a link in the left nav of https://www.openoffice.org/why/index.html I think we (am I volunteering myself) should review the FAQ and confirm all of it is still relevant / nothing changed / referring to OOo days (licensing faq is referring to LGPL :S) After that is all fixed up and reviewed (maybe dev list can help us as extra eyes) we should should then link from /why/index.html. I can help with formatting and organization of the information (page flow). Also adding dates to the top left of the pages so public audiences can see when it was last reviewed. Samer On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 4:02 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 3:45 PM, Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com wrote: On 04/14/2014 09:57 AM, Louis Suárez-Potts wrote: On 2014-04-14, at 12:46, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 11:58 AM, Louis Suárez-Potts lui...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, On 2014-04-14, at 11:33, Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com wrote: On 04/14/2014 07:20 AM, Louis Suárez-Potts wrote: On 2014-04-14, at 09:39, Samer Mansour samer...@gmail.com wrote: Odd, I thought this was pretty obvious: https://www.openoffice.org/why/why_sme.html Its only 2 clicks into the site. I want to learn more - Businesses, third bullet down. This may be a product of our localized sites not existing / being updated. This person was inquiring for a Malaysian business, not sure if the person inquiring was also from Malaysia. Samer On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 7:59 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: This seems to be an FAQ item: What are commercial terms for AOO? Where is a good place to put this FAQ? -Rob Being obvious, stating the repeated—then stating it again—is no proof against the wilfully oblivious poster who feels compelled to correspond personally with seeming humans to obtain requisite legal permissions; in fact, it may be legally required to get an actual reply from the copyright holder that commercial usage of this free software is permitted. At least, that was my experience long long ago. Having a FAQ, as we did at Sun, helped--but only for this we envisioned being like us. In the end, just spending time at night with the outlier questions seemed most expeditious. louis Maybe it would help to include an additional question on the I want to learn more about OpenOffice topic on the home page of the website -- What is the cost for licenses? or something similar -1. A link to FAQ might do the trick. But how many queries of this sort (clueless) do we actually get? Not that many, yes? I would rather we keep our website as clean and direct as possible, and invite people to contribute, yes, and to distribute, but given *why* people come to the site, the simpler the better. Analogues: Mozilla, for one but one could also point to other open source apps that are commodified, e.g., Drupal, https://drupal.org/. (Drupal's site is clearly not meant for the naive user, however.) Actually, we've had a few of these in the last month or so, variations on May I use OpenOffice commercially, May I pre-install OpenOffice on hardware that I'm distributing, and I'm a central buying authority and I have paperwork to fill out on all the software my customer uses. We're dealing in these cases with bureaucrats, not familiar with open source software. If there is not a box in their form for open source they might not know what to do. Egad. You mean, we *don't* have that sort of language already? I figured we'd retained that and other clarifications from OOo days' FAQ, not all of which related to Sun/Oracle or the licenses used. (I helped write or edit most of the faq and maintained them). The faq are still there, in svn, last I checked. But anyway, we used to have language stating what you just put. It worked—for those who read it and got it. Louis Here's the overview FAQ page. https://www.openoffice.org/faq.html I honestly don't know right at the moment what it's linked from (I will check). Which of these items do you consider most beneficial? Right now, the WHY page seems to me the most straightforward way to get the right information to folks. I'll work on a better teaser for it from the home page today in a test area so we can take a look and evaluate. There is also these FAQ's on the wiki: https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/FAQ Why do we have two places for FAQs? I'm sure there was a good reason once... -Rob I doubt they'll find on their own whatever page we put this info in, but it would be a time saver just to be able to point
Re: Close, but not quite 100 million...
Yes, tonight I'm going to have the 100px ready for Rob on the homepage. I'll also firebug hack facebook/twitter/G+ locally so I can preview the profile background without actually uploading so its ready too. I'll also post share links: twitter 86 char w/o link We hit 100 Million+ downloads today! RT to show support. The #free #opensource office suite https://www.openoffice.org/download/; facebook/g+ @ApacheOO hits 100 Million+ downloads! Celebrate with us by sharing the news. Get the #free #opensource office productivity suite here https://www.openoffice.org/download/; Rob can you private e-mail me when it hit 100Mil with the blog post (is it in draft yet?). I don't always view the mailinglist but I will see a pm to my inbox, hopefully I'm around my pc. estimation when that will happen, its till est for thursday? On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 3:38 PM, Marcus (OOo) marcus.m...@wtnet.de wrote: Am 04/14/2014 04:03 PM, schrieb Samer Mansour: Here we go: http://s28.postimg.org/nuwli5jd9/100_Mill_AOO140px.png Let me know what sizes we need, I can also rearrange to fit a less wide format if needed. The graphic looks perfect for such a celebration. Thanks for the work. :-) Marcus On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 9:58 AM, Samer Mansoursamer...@gmail.com wrote: Oh wow, :S !!! Good catch. On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 9:44 AM, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann orwittm...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi, On 14.04.2014 15:32, Samer Mansour wrote: I heard we're getting close. Here is a doodle I put together: http://s28.postimg.org/t2b93detp/1_Mill_AOOClear140px.png http://s14.postimg.org/twbuik4dd/1_Mill_AOOClear80px.png When I see we hit 1,000,000 I can resize, position and update our social media profile backgrounds. It is 100.000.000 million downloads - two zeros more. Best regards, Oliver. Samer. On Sun, Mar 9, 2014 at 5:45 AM, Andrea Pescettipesce...@apache.org wrote: On 05/03/2014 jan i wrote: If somebody with drawing skills, could make a near 100 million logo before march 24, I will for sure add it to my first slide. The trend is clear and the official counter (which includes the language packs) is already over 100 millions. There is still a month before ApacheCon, so I suggest that we go directly for the 100 millions logo for ApacheCon in any case. Is the official template for slides already available? Speakers in the OpenOffice track could use a slightly modified template with the 100 millions OpenOffice logo in that case. Of course we still need someone who can design the 100 millions logo variant of the official OpenOffice 4 logo! Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Close, but not quite 100 million...
I can see what I can do tonight after I do another icon. I should do a design so that I can update the twitter, google+ and facebook profile as well when that happens. We would have that graphic ready on the social media backgrounds before we make the posts on them saying saying [yay 1,000,000 downloads], possibly with the Get It Here version in the post itself. I'm thinking depict growth my idea is a background made of soft stockmarket-like upward-right wisps/lines (no explicit arrows). Incorporate soft greens, and silver maybe. Get It Here (With Get It Here Text) Twitter (Background Only) Google+ (Background Only) Facebook (Background Only) Homepage Header (Smaller Background with Logo Only) General 400x600px for blog etc. On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 4:30 AM, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann orwittm...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi, On 05.03.2014 20:47, Rob Weir wrote: If you look at the SourceForge page you'll see that shows 99.7 million downloads: http://sourceforge.net/projects/openofficeorg.mirror/files/stats/timeline?dates=2011-11-29+to+2014-03-18 But that number includes the downloads of Language Packs. The more conservative number that we report on the blog has always been the number of full product downloads. So if someone downloads AOO and also downloaded a Language Pack it would be counted as only a single download. The number of full-product downloads is around 95 million. So we still have a little more to go before we pop the champagne. Maybe around ApacheCon next month we'll hit 1 million. Sooner if we count beta downloads, but I'd recommend against counting beta downloads. Beta downloads should not be counted for the overall download statistic. But, the number of Beta downloads will be quite interesting in order to assess the general interest in such Beta release is. Best regards, Oliver. In any case, it is not too early to start thinking about what we want to do to publicize the 100 million number, when we do hit it. We'll do a blog post, of course. It would be awesome if we could design a special 100,000,000 downloads logo that we could use on the website. Also, some better looking infographics would be nice. You can see what I typically produce, rather bland charts more suitable for a scientific report: https://blogs.apache.org/OOo/entry/75_million_downloads_of_apache I'm sure someone with more design sense could make something much better with the data. (and of course I can provide the updated data) Any other ideas? -Rob - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [Proposal] Update Icons for AOO 4.1
I'm tweaking the source SVGs so that the pixels in lines aren't between two pixels and look blurry. Once the SVGs are done its only a few minutes to generate the different output types. I kept waiting to have free uninterrupted block of time to complete the icons in the two months, which never happened. This last week I realized I'm making better progress if I did one icon each night. I'll keep posting updated zips with source SVGs as each finish. Soon I'll have the source svg's done, then we can worry about generating assets. Samer On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 2:50 AM, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.comwrote: On 2/25/14 1:58 AM, Kay Schenk wrote: On 02/24/2014 07:32 AM, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: On 2/19/14 4:18 AM, Samer Mansour wrote: Good eye on the green, that was a mistake, correcting now and uploading a new copy shortly. Yeah @2 for their retina display basically twice the physical pixels per inch (not sure if that statement is true, but its how we figure out the icons.) I know we need windows format, we still have time before the release, Jurgen or if someone else knows what formats and sizes we need that would be a great help. I will check the needed formats asap but important is that you provide the svg's that others can help as well. As always it is not easy to identify how the process work and where the images are stored and where to used ... We have some in default_images and used in probably in the start center and ??? Then we have icons in sysui as *.ico and *.icns Means there is still some work to do but I would like to try to include them for AOO 4.1. Can you share the svg files asap? Juergen Juergen -- It looks like there are svg items included in the zip files -- https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpageattachments.action?pageId=34834886 I don't know right at the moment if this is all we need. I have seen this but the file type icons are not complete, only impress and math are available. Juergen Samer On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 2:56 AM, Andre Fischer awf@gmail.com wrote: On 18.02.2014 04:36, Samer Mansour wrote: I know for windows 48x48 is used in windows 8 in a lot of defaults. I'm hoping I'm not too late to get the list of all icons sizes/formats needed to finish this before the next release. Anyone know when the next release is? On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 10:24 PM, Samer Mansour samer...@gmail.com wrote: cwiki is back up now I've uploaded the application icons in a zip to https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/ AOO4.1+-+Desktop+Icons Scroll down to feb 17th, I went with my last design and did the final pixel tweaking so anti-aliasing doesn't blur the pixels in the icons. Its the circle with the gull and the context offset in the lower left corner. Samer, thanks for your work. I have one remark and one (possibly stupid) question: - The PNG icons for Calc have slight transparancy in their background color. As this does not exist in the SVG nor in icons for other applications, I assume this is a mistake. - Maybe I have missed this in a previous mail, but what does the @2 part of some of the icons mean? Is that a Mac thing? Regards, Andre Samer On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 12:54 PM, Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com wrote: On 02/17/2014 08:41 AM, Samer Mansour wrote: Sorry about this situation. I will produce the following pngs for macOS today. The cwiki seems to be down, so I can e-mail you the sources and finished products directly icon_16x16.png icon_16...@2.png (32x32) icon_32x326.png icon_32...@2.png (64x64) icon_128x128.png icon_128x...@2.png (256x256) icon_256x256.png icon_256x...@2.png (512x512) icon_512x512.png icon_512x...@2.png (1024x1024) Can you compile a list of formats we need? ie windows and mac, and what ever else we need. Hi Samer -- Since both wikis are currently down, can you put sources people.apache.org area somewhere so we could get to them? We can do the rendering once we have the .svg files without any problem. I think Jürgen is on vacation this week. Thanks for all your wonderful work on these updates. On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 4:15 AM, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.com wrote: On 12/16/13 10:19 AM, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: On 12/13/13 6:37 AM, Samer Mansour wrote: Just so you don't think I died in a fire. I'm just under a lot of pressure at my new workplace and I'm working weekends because we're flying by the edge of our seats at this start up. I just ordered my family gifts online. I'm trying to get my priorities right. I will have this done before the new year. Just need to squeeze it in. Hi Samer, no pressure and your new job should have of course a higher prio. Thanks for keeping
Re: [Proposal] Update Icons for AOO 4.1
Sorry about this situation. I will produce the following pngs for macOS today. The cwiki seems to be down, so I can e-mail you the sources and finished products directly icon_16x16.png icon_16...@2.png (32x32) icon_32x326.png icon_32...@2.png (64x64) icon_128x128.png icon_128x...@2.png (256x256) icon_256x256.png icon_256x...@2.png (512x512) icon_512x512.png icon_512x...@2.png (1024x1024) Can you compile a list of formats we need? ie windows and mac, and what ever else we need. On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 4:15 AM, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.comwrote: On 12/16/13 10:19 AM, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: On 12/13/13 6:37 AM, Samer Mansour wrote: Just so you don't think I died in a fire. I'm just under a lot of pressure at my new workplace and I'm working weekends because we're flying by the edge of our seats at this start up. I just ordered my family gifts online. I'm trying to get my priorities right. I will have this done before the new year. Just need to squeeze it in. Hi Samer, no pressure and your new job should have of course a higher prio. Thanks for keeping us updated I assume that we get no new icons for AOO 4.1, correct? Maybe you can share the source files and somebody else is interested to continue. I like the new icons and would like to see them in the office as soon as possible. Kind regards Juergen Juergen On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 7:36 AM, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.com wrote: On 11/23/13 6:45 PM, Samer Mansour wrote: I think I found what we need with the following: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/download/attachments/34834886/logo-w-offset3.png?version=6modificationDate=1385227784594 (from https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO4.1+-+Desktop+Icons ) The application icons will have the bird and the circle branding. When the application icon is 16x16 I will drop the gull. The file icons are absolutely an improvement off the old file icons, keep that in mind. I won't be placing the gulls in the file icons. The file icon at 32x32 has 17x20 inside for the application context and that's being dedicated to the context. I can have the rough icons ready in a week and a half. just to ensure that we get all sizes we need The main.icns file on MacOS contains icon_16x16.png icon_16...@2.png (32x32) icon_32x326.png icon_32...@2.png (64x64) icon_128x128.png icon_128x...@2.png (256x256) icon_256x256.png icon_256x...@2.png (512x512) icon_512x512.png icon_512x...@2.png (1024x1024) Juergen Samer Mansour On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 4:04 PM, Samer Mansour samer...@gmail.com wrote: I've been so busy at work in the last week, let me set myself a reminder to review this on Saturday and give everyone an update and propose how to move forward. On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 4:47 AM, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.com wrote: On 11/4/13 8:23 PM, Samer Mansour wrote: This is just a reminder that this coming Nov 9th is the end of the 30 day window for list folk to submit ideas, whether in words or images. After this date, I will compile the ideas and feedback. Hi Samer, any news on this? I believe we should integrate new icons as soon as possible Juergen Samer Mansour On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 11:01 PM, Samer Mansour samer...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I'm proposing to have the icons (and related assets) updated for AOO 4.1 release. I would like to take the responsibility to see this gets done. Here is the icons that need to be updated: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO4.1+-+Desktop+Icons Related asset: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO4.1+-+Application+And+Launcher You can see two examples of ideas on the first link. You can also suggest your own ideas verbally by commenting on the wiki page or visually by attaching it to the wiki. (Please don't reply ideas in this mailing list, let us know if you have trouble) I am putting a deadline for the idea submission and discussion in 30 days, November 9th, 2013. Once we reach the deadline, we will have a separate discussion for optimizing for the best user experience. This is not a contest or a call for public proposals. This is regular, needs to be done, no-bikeshedding-please work. When the deadline Nov 9th arrives, if there is more than one viable solution, we will try to reach consensus without a end user vote. eg. We will not be doing what we did with the logo, that was a special case because it is the face of AOO. Samer Mansour - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [Proposal] Update Icons for AOO 4.1
cwiki is back up now I've uploaded the application icons in a zip to https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO4.1+-+Desktop+Icons Scroll down to feb 17th, I went with my last design and did the final pixel tweaking so anti-aliasing doesn't blur the pixels in the icons. Its the circle with the gull and the context offset in the lower left corner. Samer On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 12:54 PM, Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com wrote: On 02/17/2014 08:41 AM, Samer Mansour wrote: Sorry about this situation. I will produce the following pngs for macOS today. The cwiki seems to be down, so I can e-mail you the sources and finished products directly icon_16x16.png icon_16...@2.png (32x32) icon_32x326.png icon_32...@2.png (64x64) icon_128x128.png icon_128x...@2.png (256x256) icon_256x256.png icon_256x...@2.png (512x512) icon_512x512.png icon_512x...@2.png (1024x1024) Can you compile a list of formats we need? ie windows and mac, and what ever else we need. Hi Samer -- Since both wikis are currently down, can you put sources people.apache.orgarea somewhere so we could get to them? We can do the rendering once we have the .svg files without any problem. I think Jürgen is on vacation this week. Thanks for all your wonderful work on these updates. On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 4:15 AM, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.com wrote: On 12/16/13 10:19 AM, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: On 12/13/13 6:37 AM, Samer Mansour wrote: Just so you don't think I died in a fire. I'm just under a lot of pressure at my new workplace and I'm working weekends because we're flying by the edge of our seats at this start up. I just ordered my family gifts online. I'm trying to get my priorities right. I will have this done before the new year. Just need to squeeze it in. Hi Samer, no pressure and your new job should have of course a higher prio. Thanks for keeping us updated I assume that we get no new icons for AOO 4.1, correct? Maybe you can share the source files and somebody else is interested to continue. I like the new icons and would like to see them in the office as soon as possible. Kind regards Juergen Juergen On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 7:36 AM, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.com wrote: On 11/23/13 6:45 PM, Samer Mansour wrote: I think I found what we need with the following: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/download/ attachments/34834886/logo-w-offset3.png?version=6 modificationDate=1385227784594 (from https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/ AOO4.1+-+Desktop+Icons ) The application icons will have the bird and the circle branding. When the application icon is 16x16 I will drop the gull. The file icons are absolutely an improvement off the old file icons, keep that in mind. I won't be placing the gulls in the file icons. The file icon at 32x32 has 17x20 inside for the application context and that's being dedicated to the context. I can have the rough icons ready in a week and a half. just to ensure that we get all sizes we need The main.icns file on MacOS contains icon_16x16.png icon_16...@2.png (32x32) icon_32x326.png icon_32...@2.png (64x64) icon_128x128.png icon_128x...@2.png (256x256) icon_256x256.png icon_256x...@2.png (512x512) icon_512x512.png icon_512x...@2.png (1024x1024) Juergen Samer Mansour On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 4:04 PM, Samer Mansour samer...@gmail.com wrote: I've been so busy at work in the last week, let me set myself a reminder to review this on Saturday and give everyone an update and propose how to move forward. On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 4:47 AM, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.com wrote: On 11/4/13 8:23 PM, Samer Mansour wrote: This is just a reminder that this coming Nov 9th is the end of the 30 day window for list folk to submit ideas, whether in words or images. After this date, I will compile the ideas and feedback. Hi Samer, any news on this? I believe we should integrate new icons as soon as possible Juergen Samer Mansour On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 11:01 PM, Samer Mansour samer...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I'm proposing to have the icons (and related assets) updated for AOO 4.1 release. I would like to take the responsibility to see this gets done. Here is the icons that need to be updated: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/ AOO4.1+-+Desktop+Icons Related asset: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/ AOO4.1+-+Application+And+Launcher You can see two examples of ideas on the first link. You can also suggest your own ideas verbally by commenting on the wiki page or visually by attaching it to the wiki. (Please don't reply ideas in this mailing list, let us know if you have trouble) I am putting a deadline for the idea submission and discussion in 30 days, November 9th, 2013. Once we
Re: [Proposal] Update Icons for AOO 4.1
I know for windows 48x48 is used in windows 8 in a lot of defaults. I'm hoping I'm not too late to get the list of all icons sizes/formats needed to finish this before the next release. Anyone know when the next release is? On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 10:24 PM, Samer Mansour samer...@gmail.com wrote: cwiki is back up now I've uploaded the application icons in a zip to https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO4.1+-+Desktop+Icons Scroll down to feb 17th, I went with my last design and did the final pixel tweaking so anti-aliasing doesn't blur the pixels in the icons. Its the circle with the gull and the context offset in the lower left corner. Samer On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 12:54 PM, Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com wrote: On 02/17/2014 08:41 AM, Samer Mansour wrote: Sorry about this situation. I will produce the following pngs for macOS today. The cwiki seems to be down, so I can e-mail you the sources and finished products directly icon_16x16.png icon_16...@2.png (32x32) icon_32x326.png icon_32...@2.png (64x64) icon_128x128.png icon_128x...@2.png (256x256) icon_256x256.png icon_256x...@2.png (512x512) icon_512x512.png icon_512x...@2.png (1024x1024) Can you compile a list of formats we need? ie windows and mac, and what ever else we need. Hi Samer -- Since both wikis are currently down, can you put sources people.apache.org area somewhere so we could get to them? We can do the rendering once we have the .svg files without any problem. I think Jürgen is on vacation this week. Thanks for all your wonderful work on these updates. On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 4:15 AM, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.com wrote: On 12/16/13 10:19 AM, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: On 12/13/13 6:37 AM, Samer Mansour wrote: Just so you don't think I died in a fire. I'm just under a lot of pressure at my new workplace and I'm working weekends because we're flying by the edge of our seats at this start up. I just ordered my family gifts online. I'm trying to get my priorities right. I will have this done before the new year. Just need to squeeze it in. Hi Samer, no pressure and your new job should have of course a higher prio. Thanks for keeping us updated I assume that we get no new icons for AOO 4.1, correct? Maybe you can share the source files and somebody else is interested to continue. I like the new icons and would like to see them in the office as soon as possible. Kind regards Juergen Juergen On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 7:36 AM, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.com wrote: On 11/23/13 6:45 PM, Samer Mansour wrote: I think I found what we need with the following: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/download/ attachments/34834886/logo-w-offset3.png?version=6 modificationDate=1385227784594 (from https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/ AOO4.1+-+Desktop+Icons ) The application icons will have the bird and the circle branding. When the application icon is 16x16 I will drop the gull. The file icons are absolutely an improvement off the old file icons, keep that in mind. I won't be placing the gulls in the file icons. The file icon at 32x32 has 17x20 inside for the application context and that's being dedicated to the context. I can have the rough icons ready in a week and a half. just to ensure that we get all sizes we need The main.icns file on MacOS contains icon_16x16.png icon_16...@2.png (32x32) icon_32x326.png icon_32...@2.png (64x64) icon_128x128.png icon_128x...@2.png (256x256) icon_256x256.png icon_256x...@2.png (512x512) icon_512x512.png icon_512x...@2.png (1024x1024) Juergen Samer Mansour On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 4:04 PM, Samer Mansour samer...@gmail.com wrote: I've been so busy at work in the last week, let me set myself a reminder to review this on Saturday and give everyone an update and propose how to move forward. On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 4:47 AM, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.com wrote: On 11/4/13 8:23 PM, Samer Mansour wrote: This is just a reminder that this coming Nov 9th is the end of the 30 day window for list folk to submit ideas, whether in words or images. After this date, I will compile the ideas and feedback. Hi Samer, any news on this? I believe we should integrate new icons as soon as possible Juergen Samer Mansour On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 11:01 PM, Samer Mansour samer...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I'm proposing to have the icons (and related assets) updated for AOO 4.1 release. I would like to take the responsibility to see this gets done. Here is the icons that need to be updated: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/ AOO4.1+-+Desktop+Icons Related asset: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/ AOO4.1+-+Application+And+Launcher You can see two examples of ideas on the first link. You can
Re: [Proposal] Update Icons for AOO 4.1
Just so you don't think I died in a fire. I'm just under a lot of pressure at my new workplace and I'm working weekends because we're flying by the edge of our seats at this start up. I just ordered my family gifts online. I'm trying to get my priorities right. I will have this done before the new year. Just need to squeeze it in. On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 7:36 AM, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.comwrote: On 11/23/13 6:45 PM, Samer Mansour wrote: I think I found what we need with the following: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/download/attachments/34834886/logo-w-offset3.png?version=6modificationDate=1385227784594 (from https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO4.1+-+Desktop+Icons ) The application icons will have the bird and the circle branding. When the application icon is 16x16 I will drop the gull. The file icons are absolutely an improvement off the old file icons, keep that in mind. I won't be placing the gulls in the file icons. The file icon at 32x32 has 17x20 inside for the application context and that's being dedicated to the context. I can have the rough icons ready in a week and a half. just to ensure that we get all sizes we need The main.icns file on MacOS contains icon_16x16.png icon_16...@2.png (32x32) icon_32x326.png icon_32...@2.png (64x64) icon_128x128.png icon_128x...@2.png (256x256) icon_256x256.png icon_256x...@2.png (512x512) icon_512x512.png icon_512x...@2.png (1024x1024) Juergen Samer Mansour On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 4:04 PM, Samer Mansour samer...@gmail.com wrote: I've been so busy at work in the last week, let me set myself a reminder to review this on Saturday and give everyone an update and propose how to move forward. On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 4:47 AM, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.com wrote: On 11/4/13 8:23 PM, Samer Mansour wrote: This is just a reminder that this coming Nov 9th is the end of the 30 day window for list folk to submit ideas, whether in words or images. After this date, I will compile the ideas and feedback. Hi Samer, any news on this? I believe we should integrate new icons as soon as possible Juergen Samer Mansour On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 11:01 PM, Samer Mansour samer...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I'm proposing to have the icons (and related assets) updated for AOO 4.1 release. I would like to take the responsibility to see this gets done. Here is the icons that need to be updated: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO4.1+-+Desktop+Icons Related asset: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO4.1+-+Application+And+Launcher You can see two examples of ideas on the first link. You can also suggest your own ideas verbally by commenting on the wiki page or visually by attaching it to the wiki. (Please don't reply ideas in this mailing list, let us know if you have trouble) I am putting a deadline for the idea submission and discussion in 30 days, November 9th, 2013. Once we reach the deadline, we will have a separate discussion for optimizing for the best user experience. This is not a contest or a call for public proposals. This is regular, needs to be done, no-bikeshedding-please work. When the deadline Nov 9th arrives, if there is more than one viable solution, we will try to reach consensus without a end user vote. eg. We will not be doing what we did with the logo, that was a special case because it is the face of AOO. Samer Mansour - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [Proposal] Update Icons for AOO 4.1
I've been so busy at work in the last week, let me set myself a reminder to review this on Saturday and give everyone an update and propose how to move forward. On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 4:47 AM, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.comwrote: On 11/4/13 8:23 PM, Samer Mansour wrote: This is just a reminder that this coming Nov 9th is the end of the 30 day window for list folk to submit ideas, whether in words or images. After this date, I will compile the ideas and feedback. Hi Samer, any news on this? I believe we should integrate new icons as soon as possible Juergen Samer Mansour On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 11:01 PM, Samer Mansour samer...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I'm proposing to have the icons (and related assets) updated for AOO 4.1 release. I would like to take the responsibility to see this gets done. Here is the icons that need to be updated: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO4.1+-+Desktop+Icons Related asset: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO4.1+-+Application+And+Launcher You can see two examples of ideas on the first link. You can also suggest your own ideas verbally by commenting on the wiki page or visually by attaching it to the wiki. (Please don't reply ideas in this mailing list, let us know if you have trouble) I am putting a deadline for the idea submission and discussion in 30 days, November 9th, 2013. Once we reach the deadline, we will have a separate discussion for optimizing for the best user experience. This is not a contest or a call for public proposals. This is regular, needs to be done, no-bikeshedding-please work. When the deadline Nov 9th arrives, if there is more than one viable solution, we will try to reach consensus without a end user vote. eg. We will not be doing what we did with the logo, that was a special case because it is the face of AOO. Samer Mansour - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [Proposal] Update 'Get It Here' Banner
Ok no one voted +1 nor -1 explicitly, but it sounds like people are happy with the new banner. On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 12:55 PM, Samer Mansour samer...@gmail.com wrote: Hey everyone, Just realized the 'get it here' image is out dated. So I whipped together a new banner with a design I've been using with our social media pages. This is the current banner: http://openoffice.apache.org/images/get-it-here/en.png (from http://openoffice.apache.org/get-it-here.html) This is what I'm proposing to replace: http://dynomie.com/ext/getithere2.png I would replace the current one with the same dimensions so that it updates nicely on other sites with the existing logo code (if they pointed to our hosted image). Lazy consensus as usual, 72 hours. Samer Mansour
Re: [Proposal] Update 'Get It Here' Banner
Hey Everyone, I want to have Get It Here translated so that I can provide banners for each language, this will help our fans promote us in their markets in their own language with little effort on their part. ie. /images/get-it-here/en.png /images/get-it-here/fr.png /images/get-it-here/de.png etc etc. I could leverage our existing translators and their process. But I'm not familiar with pootle, in https://translate.apache.org/projects/aoo40 could we create a folder called 'website' with a single po file inside called 'general.po' one entry for now as 'Get It Here'. Thoughts? Who manages this Pootle instance and can they assist me with setting this up? - Samer :D On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 10:04 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 12:55 PM, Samer Mansour samer...@gmail.com wrote: Hey everyone, Just realized the 'get it here' image is out dated. So I whipped together a new banner with a design I've been using with our social media pages. This is the current banner: http://openoffice.apache.org/images/get-it-here/en.png (from http://openoffice.apache.org/get-it-here.html) This is what I'm proposing to replace: http://dynomie.com/ext/getithere2.png This is nice. Thanks. -Rob I would replace the current one with the same dimensions so that it updates nicely on other sites with the existing logo code (if they pointed to our hosted image). Lazy consensus as usual, 72 hours. Samer Mansour - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [Proposal] Update 'Get It Here' Banner
This will be a one time need, I will contact the L10N list for now. Thanks that's good advice. I did have an idea earlier in the summer to incorporate pootle into a oo.o website design, that is to follow my icon proposal. The oo.o website is my next priority. Throwing a date out, I can see it completed end of April 2014, a possible english version available early March 2014. I just started a new job, but some reason I'm getting more things done these days, maybe just Autumn-fever. Samer Mansour On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 4:46 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 4:40 PM, Samer Mansour samer...@gmail.com wrote: Hey Everyone, I want to have Get It Here translated so that I can provide banners for each language, this will help our fans promote us in their markets in their own language with little effort on their part. ie. /images/get-it-here/en.png /images/get-it-here/fr.png /images/get-it-here/de.png etc etc. Since this logo gets copied onto 3rd party websites you might want more context in the filename itself, like openoffice-get-it-here-en.png or something like that. A webmaster might easily forget what fr.png is for. I could leverage our existing translators and their process. But I'm not familiar with pootle, in https://translate.apache.org/projects/aoo40could we create a folder called 'website' with a single po file inside called 'general.po' one entry for now as 'Get It Here'. Thoughts? Who manages this Pootle instance and can they assist me with setting this up? I don't know how to set this up on Pootle, but if it is just one sentence it might be easier to just send an email to the localization mailing list l...@openoffice.apache.org and do this via email. Or create a wiki page for it. Or do you see this growing to include much more content for translation? -Rob - Samer :D On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 10:04 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 12:55 PM, Samer Mansour samer...@gmail.com wrote: Hey everyone, Just realized the 'get it here' image is out dated. So I whipped together a new banner with a design I've been using with our social media pages. This is the current banner: http://openoffice.apache.org/images/get-it-here/en.png (from http://openoffice.apache.org/get-it-here.html) This is what I'm proposing to replace: http://dynomie.com/ext/getithere2.png This is nice. Thanks. -Rob I would replace the current one with the same dimensions so that it updates nicely on other sites with the existing logo code (if they pointed to our hosted image). Lazy consensus as usual, 72 hours. Samer Mansour - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
[Proposal] Update 'Get It Here' Banner
Hey everyone, Just realized the 'get it here' image is out dated. So I whipped together a new banner with a design I've been using with our social media pages. This is the current banner: http://openoffice.apache.org/images/get-it-here/en.png (from http://openoffice.apache.org/get-it-here.html) This is what I'm proposing to replace: http://dynomie.com/ext/getithere2.png I would replace the current one with the same dimensions so that it updates nicely on other sites with the existing logo code (if they pointed to our hosted image). Lazy consensus as usual, 72 hours. Samer Mansour
Re: [Proposal] Update 'Get It Here' Banner
I forgot to mention, I can also have translated versions publicly available. This would make it easier for other localizations to adopt the banner as well. Samer On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 12:55 PM, Samer Mansour samer...@gmail.com wrote: Hey everyone, Just realized the 'get it here' image is out dated. So I whipped together a new banner with a design I've been using with our social media pages. This is the current banner: http://openoffice.apache.org/images/get-it-here/en.png (from http://openoffice.apache.org/get-it-here.html) This is what I'm proposing to replace: http://dynomie.com/ext/getithere2.png I would replace the current one with the same dimensions so that it updates nicely on other sites with the existing logo code (if they pointed to our hosted image). Lazy consensus as usual, 72 hours. Samer Mansour
Re: [Proposal] Update Icons for AOO 4.1
This is just a reminder that this coming Nov 9th is the end of the 30 day window for list folk to submit ideas, whether in words or images. After this date, I will compile the ideas and feedback. Samer Mansour On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 11:01 PM, Samer Mansour samer...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I'm proposing to have the icons (and related assets) updated for AOO 4.1 release. I would like to take the responsibility to see this gets done. Here is the icons that need to be updated: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO4.1+-+Desktop+Icons Related asset: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO4.1+-+Application+And+Launcher You can see two examples of ideas on the first link. You can also suggest your own ideas verbally by commenting on the wiki page or visually by attaching it to the wiki. (Please don't reply ideas in this mailing list, let us know if you have trouble) I am putting a deadline for the idea submission and discussion in 30 days, November 9th, 2013. Once we reach the deadline, we will have a separate discussion for optimizing for the best user experience. This is not a contest or a call for public proposals. This is regular, needs to be done, no-bikeshedding-please work. When the deadline Nov 9th arrives, if there is more than one viable solution, we will try to reach consensus without a end user vote. eg. We will not be doing what we did with the logo, that was a special case because it is the face of AOO. Samer Mansour
Re: [Proposal] Update Icons for AOO 4.1
Andrea, I've done as you said and attached to the bug ticket. https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=123491 If everyone can lazy agree we should commit it. Samer Mansour On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 3:06 AM, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.orgwrote: On 18/10/2013 Jürgen Schmidt wrote: On 10/17/13 8:53 PM, sebb wrote: The Splash screen needs some changes; please see: https://issues.apache.org/ooo/**show_bug.cgi?id=123491https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=123491 we can drop the feather in the start center completely or let it stand alone but I don't like the idea to link back to apache.org where our typical user is lost on the first shot. Note that this is not the Start center but the splash screen, hopefully displayed for a very short time. I would remove the URL, and put the feather with [The] Apache Software Foundation text only. Also, the About screen says: This product was created by the OpenOffice community. I think that should say: This product was created by the Apache OpenOffice community. I don't think so and the reason is quite simple. The OpenOffice community and the open office project exists much longer than the Apache OpenOffice project. The new name is mainly to reflect our new home but nothing else, at least not to me. Indeed. We already have prominent attribution to Apache, OpenOffice can suffice in this context. Regards, Andrea. --**--**- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@openoffice.**apache.orgdev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [Proposal] Update Icons for AOO 4.1
Hello, Here is another stab where I keep the gulls in the logo, scroll down to october 15th. https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO4.1+-+Desktop+Icons These are high contrast. You can desaturate them and they are still distinguishable. Samer Mansour On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 2:23 PM, Drew Jensen drewjensen.in...@gmail.comwrote: Howdy Samer, et al Nice stuff - I think perhaps I'm in the minority, looking over the responses, but I rather like the rounded (Exploration 2) icons - particularly as depicted in Win 8. Rounded or squared however, they are all a fresh breath. Gulls - I understand about many wanting to loose them. I think the iconic value is rather high though with existing brand recognition. That I suppose can be maintained else wheres in project/application resources. Just curious, with these new icons would you consider them high contrast or would you expect that the project (you, I suppose ;-) would need to also produce HC equivalents for whichever set is selected? Thanks for your work here, very much so //drew On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 6:44 PM, Peter Junge peter.ju...@gmx.org wrote: On 10/10/2013 11:53 AM, Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote: Hi, On Wed, Oct 09, 2013 at 11:01:09PM -0400, Samer Mansour wrote: Hello, I'm proposing to have the icons (and related assets) updated for AOO 4.1 release. I would like to take the responsibility to see this gets done. Here is the icons that need to be updated: https://cwiki.apache.org/**confluence/display/OOOUSERS/** AOO4.1+-+Desktop+Icons https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO4.1+-+Desktop+Icons I like the flat icons very much. Related asset: https://cwiki.apache.org/**confluence/display/OOOUSERS/** AOO4.1+-+Application+And+**Launcher https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO4.1+-+Application+And+Launcher You can see two examples of ideas on the first link. You can also suggest your own ideas verbally by commenting on the wiki page or visually by attaching it to the wiki. (Please don't reply ideas in this mailing list, let us know if you have trouble) I am putting a deadline for the idea submission and discussion in 30 days, November 9th, 2013. Once we reach the deadline, we will have a separate discussion for optimizing for the best user experience. This is not a contest or a call for public proposals. This is regular, needs to be done, no-bikeshedding-please work. When the deadline Nov 9th arrives, if there is more than one viable solution, we will try to reach consensus without a end user vote. eg. We will not be doing what we did with the logo, that was a special case because it is the face of AOO. Samer Mansour The About dialog does not look good with the orb in the header, the old version looked nicer than the current one Old version: http://people.apache.org/~**arielch/images/AboutDialog.png http://people.apache.org/~arielch/images/AboutDialog.png Current one, removing the orb from the header: http://people.apache.org/~**arielch/images/AboutDialog410.**png http://people.apache.org/~arielch/images/AboutDialog410.png Looks very nice. Peter To test different approaches, just replace about.png in the program folder (where soffice.exe is located), for example with this one http://people.apache.org/~**arielch/images/about.png http://people.apache.org/~arielch/images/about.png(there is no need to restart the application). Regards --**--**- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@openoffice.**apache.org dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [Proposal] Update Icons for AOO 4.1
I'm working on one more idea where I don't use a background. Using a background circle or square requires you to have padding inside before you can draw in it. It was a eureka moment these icons at 16x16 and 32x32 would look a lot bigger and crisper if I didn't have them inside a circle or square When I have my last idea posted you will understand. As for the about dialog box, I think that is low priority, as it is a big improvement from 3.x. We have some other areas where we can make a bigger impact visually. If there is another area of the application that you feel needs a refresh let us know, ie font dialog, . Samer On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 7:03 AM, Armin Le Grand armin.le.gr...@me.comwrote: On 10.10.2013 09:00, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote: On 10.10.2013 05:01, Samer Mansour wrote: Hello, I'm proposing to have the icons (and related assets) updated for AOO 4.1 release. I would like to take the responsibility to see this gets done. Here is the icons that need to be updated: https://cwiki.apache.org/**confluence/display/OOOUSERS/** AOO4.1+-+Desktop+Iconshttps://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO4.1+-+Desktop+Icons Related asset: https://cwiki.apache.org/**confluence/display/OOOUSERS/** AOO4.1+-+Application+And+**Launcherhttps://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO4.1+-+Application+And+Launcher +1 for my side for the proposal. You can see two examples of ideas on the first link. You can also suggest your own ideas verbally by commenting on the wiki page or visually by attaching it to the wiki. (Please don't reply ideas in this mailing list, let us know if you have trouble) I like 'AOO Desktop Icon Exploration 2 (Round)', but not the circles. Instead I would prefer rounded rectangles. +1 I always proposed rounded rectangles (better: squares) AKA AppIcons - like ;-) Best regards, Oliver. I am putting a deadline for the idea submission and discussion in 30 days, November 9th, 2013. Once we reach the deadline, we will have a separate discussion for optimizing for the best user experience. This is not a contest or a call for public proposals. This is regular, needs to be done, no-bikeshedding-please work. When the deadline Nov 9th arrives, if there is more than one viable solution, we will try to reach consensus without a end user vote. eg. We will not be doing what we did with the logo, that was a special case because it is the face of AOO. Samer Mansour --**--**- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@openoffice.**apache.orgdev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org --**--**- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@openoffice.**apache.orgdev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [Proposal] Update Icons for AOO 4.1
Andrea, I wasn't aware of that perspective. Thanks! Ok I will/lets try to make a solution where its more clear what those three buttons are for. I agree if users are confused where to find templates or extensions that is a problem. I'll prioritize that after the icons are completed. I'll submit some ideas onto https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO4.1+-+Application+And+Launcherwhile I am waiting for the Nov 9th deadline for icons to pass. Samer On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 2:50 PM, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.orgwrote: On 10/10/2013 Samer Mansour wrote: When I have my last idea posted you will understand. Looking forward to it, and thanks for taking initiative! There is one detail in https://cwiki.apache.org/**confluence/display/OOOUSERS/** AOO4.1+-+Application+And+**Launcherhttps://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO4.1+-+Application+And+Launcher that merits some discussion: I don't believe it's OK to remove the three buttons leading to the websites (to the official site, to Extensions and to Templates). We need to make our online resources more visible, not to hide them: we already have too many users who do not follow our official site or the Extensions/Templates sites. Regards, Andrea. --**--**- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@openoffice.**apache.orgdev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Facebook Likes Almost Tripled Since February
Raphael, I don't think we can effectively chase down every group or page. We should follow up on malicious pages though. I did a shallow search in the results. There is one fb page with recent announcements but doesn't look malicious. Here is the page: https://www.facebook.com/ApacheOpenOffice Not sure who is running it though. Doesn't look malicious though. -Sam On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 9:39 PM, Raphael Bircher r.birc...@gmx.ch wrote: Am 10.10.13 00:12, schrieb Drew Jensen: Howdy Rob, It was a few days before the email - I requested to join the page (or is it a group) at FB. This Group is under my control, and I'm not sure what to do with it. Since we have the Fan Page, the group is more or less obsolet. Or there are any other options? The Group we talking about is https://www.facebook.com/**groups/338330086179568/https://www.facebook.com/groups/338330086179568/ Greetings Raphael --**--**- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@openoffice.**apache.orgdev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [CWiki] new default access rights active
I can't seem to add (or delete old) attachments such as screen captures. Can anyone else confirm this behavior? It might need to turned on for the whitelist? On Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 4:51 PM, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote: Andrea Pescetti wrote: I've enabled the following people Whitelisted: ~drewjensen Drew Jensen ~digro Dick Groskamp Regards, Andrea. --**--**- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@openoffice.**apache.orgdev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Facebook Likes Almost Tripled Since February
Hey Everyone, Awesome realization, I was documenting some changes to our social profiles (screen captures), and since February 8th, 2013 we went from just over 3,500 likes to just under 9,400 likes today. https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/download/attachments/34834928/facebook-account.png https://www.facebook.com/ApacheOO If you haven't yet done it, like us on facebook! That six degrees of separation will help us get announcements out on social media like a wild fire! Your friends might like us too. Likes gives us a chance to enter people's news feed (a chance in the flood of other updates, but still a chance). Samer
Re: [CWiki] new default access rights active
Confirmed it works thanks!!! Yeah I was feeling a like it was going to be a lot of work. On Fri, Oct 4, 2013 at 4:59 PM, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote: Samer Mansour wrote: I can't seem to add (or delete old) attachments such as screen captures. Can anyone else confirm this behavior? It might need to turned on for the whitelist? Fixed (hopefully) with a few hundred clicks. But the table is growing too large to be manageable through individual whitelisting only. I think we'll have to go to Infra and ask to organize some group privileges. Now whitelisted members can: - Add/edit pages - Add/remove comments - Add/remove attachments You will need higher privileges to remove pages. Regards, Andrea. --**--**- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@openoffice.**apache.orgdev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [CWiki] new default access rights active
I also use the CWiki to document marketing activities. Username is smansour -Samer On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 9:03 AM, Vladislav Stevanovic stevanovicvladis...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, About permission for translating and editing cwiki on Serbia, I am interesting for that too. Regards, Stevanovic Vladislav - Wlada
Re: Skills, Resources and Mentors
It is not letting me edit in either firefox or chrome. Is there something we can add to the URL to go directly to the page editor for a page, any work arounds? -Sam On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 7:31 PM, Ricardo Berlasso rgb.m...@gmail.com wrote: 2013/10/2 Keith N. McKenna keith.mcke...@comcast.net Raphael Bircher wrote: Am 02.10.13 00:14, schrieb Kay Schenk: On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 1:12 PM, Ricardo Berlasso rgb.m...@gmail.com wrote: 2013/10/1 Oliver-Rainer Wittmann orwittm...@googlemail.com Hi, On 01.10.2013 17:57, Keith N. McKenna wrote: Herbert Duerr wrote: On 01.10.2013 14:03, Rob Weir wrote: On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 7:24 AM, Herbert Duerr h...@apache.org wrote: On 01.10.2013 07:14, Rainer Bielefeld wrote: Tal Daniel schrieb: But I couldn't edit the wiki page (I'm logged in to as Talchu). Hi, I can confirm that problem. I am not familiar with with cwiki, but I added myself to Directory of volunteers, where I currently also can't find a way how to edit that page. It seems currently cwiki only can be edited by very few persons? I cannot edit pages in the cwiki either. I was able to do it last week, but this week I can't, because the edit-page option is missing. Is this lock-out a collateral damage of the release notes being protected? The web page says: No edit restrictions are defined for this page. This is under Tools/Restrictions menu item. Do you see something differenent? I'm logged in and that Restrictions page says that: No view restrictions are defined for this page No edit restrictions are defined for this page But the Edit link that used to be on the page (left to the Share link) is missing. That edit link is still visible on a page that I haven't refreshed since last week. I'm sure it will be gone there too if I reload the page. Also the Add link, which used to be between the Share and the Tools link is missing. I was able to edit it (of course). It looks like Andrea was as well. Do you happen to have the admin role in our CWikis? Herbert I can confirm that there is indeed a problem with editing documents on the cwiki. I checked a few documents including this one and the 4.0.1 release notes and all have no edit restrictions set, but the edit button is no longer visible. For me the Edit button is also not visible. Same here: the restrictions menu says that there are no restrictions, but I cannot edit any page, not even the ones I created. Regards, Ricardo true enough...no pages seem to be editable! CWiki was updated. For me it works again. Maybe you have to logout and login. Greetings Raphael Greetings Raphael; I just tried again with login clear cash logout login again. Still no edit button available. Very strange. Same here. I logged in and out several times, cleaned the browser cache, tried with other browsers... nothing, I cannot edit pages on cwiki. Regards, Ricardo Regards Keith --**--**- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@openoffice.**apache.org dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
CMS diff:
Clone URL (Committers only): https://cms.apache.org/redirect?new=anonymous;action=diff;uri=http://ooo-site.apache.org/download%2Fimages%2Faoo-logo-100x100.png Samer Mansour Index: trunk/content/download/images/aoo-logo-100x100.png === Cannot display: file marked as a binary type. svn:mime-type = application/octet-stream - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: CMS diff:
done. On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 11:44 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 11:32 AM, Samer Mansour anonym...@apache.org wrote: Clone URL (Committers only): https://cms.apache.org/redirect?new=anonymous;action=diff;uri=http://ooo-site.apache.org/download%2Fimages%2Faoo-logo-100x100.png Samer Mansour Hi Samer, Didn't we vote you in as a committer? You should be able to commit these changes directly. Just type in your Apache login rather than anonymouse. Regards, -Rob Index: trunk/content/download/images/aoo-logo-100x100.png === Cannot display: file marked as a binary type. svn:mime-type = application/octet-stream - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [VOTE]: Release OpenOffice 4.0 (RC2)
+1 On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 11:55 AM, V Stuart Foote vstuart.fo...@utsa.eduwrote: +1 From: Jürgen Schmidt [jogischm...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2013 2:40 AM this is a call for vote on releasing the following release candidate (RC2 revision 1503704) as Apache OpenOffice 4.0. ... [ ] +1 Release this package as Apache OpenOffice 4.0 [ ] 0 Don't care [ ] -1 Do not release this package because... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Possible show stopper on Windows 8, please verify
We found the mystery trick. Have Windows File Explorer open. I overlooked that in my environment because its seems so core to the OS. Here is the video of the error reproduced: https://t.co/VLAyfSGwQC This fix sent to me by Herbert Duerr via e-mail fixes the issue. https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=122752 On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 9:05 AM, Yuzhen Fan fanyuz...@gmail.com wrote: Simon, Juergen and all, I have checked the dll on Windows 7 in Writer/Calc/Impress, with steps: enter Hello World, Ctrl-A to select all, Ctrl-C to copy, Ctrl-X to cut, Ctrl-V to paste, and also using menu, like 'Edit' - 'Copy', 'Cut' or 'Paste'. All above function work without regression. Regards, Yu Zhen On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 5:36 AM, Shenfeng Liu liush...@gmail.com wrote: Juergen, I believe it is a right decision to respin and include this fix. While besides verifying it on Windows 8, I also asked Yu Zhen to help verify the dll on Windows 7 to ensure the fix is no impact to Windows 7. Yu Zhen will update the result within hours. Thanks very much for your quick turn around on this critical issue! - Shenfeng (Simon) 2013/7/16 Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.com On 7/16/13 2:03 PM, Rob Weir wrote: On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 7:39 AM, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.com wrote: On 7/16/13 1:06 PM, Peter Junge wrote: On 7/16/2013 6:55 PM, Max Merbald wrote: Hi Jürgen, I just tried the same action with both AOO 4 without your dll file and with it, using even the very same file where I had that crash on June 22, but in neither case did I have a crash this time. I think I'll work a bit more with Openoffice 4 now and if anything of the kind happens again I'll report right away and write down the exact circumstances. I think it might be possible that it happens only in very special circumstances, maybe dependant on which other software you're running while working with AOO 4. I also gave it a try on Windows 8 (64 bit) and there's no sign of a crash. Elaborating further on particular conditions. Maybe it's related to specific hardware, e.g. graphics card? @Samer: As you seem to be able to reproduce the issue constantly, do you have any special hardware? it is not easy for me to decide at the moment. What do others think? A respin means rebuilding all platforms, signing and uploading the new files. And then another vote cycle of 72 hr. Do we need another 72-hour vote? If there are no objections I'd support making a patch without triggering a full vote. from my point of view not, I know the code, what we change and I can live with reviewing the generated patch between the RC and the new build. And the longer I am thinking about the issue and that it is now known that there is a potential problem I am getting more confident that we should do the respin. I will check what other potential important uncritical fixes can we include as well. But I would like to have it at a minimum to reduce the testing effort for the respin. Juergen -Rob I personally will run into a time problem because I have to move into a new flat and will be offline for some days until Thursday of next week. It's no big deal and somebody else can do the work and a good release is of course important ;-) If we want a respin than we have to decide today and ideally until 3:00 pm (UTC +2). Juergen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Possible show stopper on Windows 8, please verify
Oh and great work everyone! To the people who helped verify and volunteer coders who helped fix the bug! On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 9:30 AM, Samer Mansour samer...@gmail.com wrote: We found the mystery trick. Have Windows File Explorer open. I overlooked that in my environment because its seems so core to the OS. Here is the video of the error reproduced: https://t.co/VLAyfSGwQC This fix sent to me by Herbert Duerr via e-mail fixes the issue. https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=122752 On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 9:05 AM, Yuzhen Fan fanyuz...@gmail.com wrote: Simon, Juergen and all, I have checked the dll on Windows 7 in Writer/Calc/Impress, with steps: enter Hello World, Ctrl-A to select all, Ctrl-C to copy, Ctrl-X to cut, Ctrl-V to paste, and also using menu, like 'Edit' - 'Copy', 'Cut' or 'Paste'. All above function work without regression. Regards, Yu Zhen On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 5:36 AM, Shenfeng Liu liush...@gmail.com wrote: Juergen, I believe it is a right decision to respin and include this fix. While besides verifying it on Windows 8, I also asked Yu Zhen to help verify the dll on Windows 7 to ensure the fix is no impact to Windows 7. Yu Zhen will update the result within hours. Thanks very much for your quick turn around on this critical issue! - Shenfeng (Simon) 2013/7/16 Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.com On 7/16/13 2:03 PM, Rob Weir wrote: On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 7:39 AM, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.com wrote: On 7/16/13 1:06 PM, Peter Junge wrote: On 7/16/2013 6:55 PM, Max Merbald wrote: Hi Jürgen, I just tried the same action with both AOO 4 without your dll file and with it, using even the very same file where I had that crash on June 22, but in neither case did I have a crash this time. I think I'll work a bit more with Openoffice 4 now and if anything of the kind happens again I'll report right away and write down the exact circumstances. I think it might be possible that it happens only in very special circumstances, maybe dependant on which other software you're running while working with AOO 4. I also gave it a try on Windows 8 (64 bit) and there's no sign of a crash. Elaborating further on particular conditions. Maybe it's related to specific hardware, e.g. graphics card? @Samer: As you seem to be able to reproduce the issue constantly, do you have any special hardware? it is not easy for me to decide at the moment. What do others think? A respin means rebuilding all platforms, signing and uploading the new files. And then another vote cycle of 72 hr. Do we need another 72-hour vote? If there are no objections I'd support making a patch without triggering a full vote. from my point of view not, I know the code, what we change and I can live with reviewing the generated patch between the RC and the new build. And the longer I am thinking about the issue and that it is now known that there is a potential problem I am getting more confident that we should do the respin. I will check what other potential important uncritical fixes can we include as well. But I would like to have it at a minimum to reduce the testing effort for the respin. Juergen -Rob I personally will run into a time problem because I have to move into a new flat and will be offline for some days until Thursday of next week. It's no big deal and somebody else can do the work and a good release is of course important ;-) If we want a respin than we have to decide today and ideally until 3:00 pm (UTC +2). Juergen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Possible show stopper on Windows 8, please verify
I just got my testlink set up, and received a couple test cases 7 hours ago. The first test I went to do I couldn't complete because it caused what I think is a show stopper for windows 8 (if its reproducible) Can anyone copy or cut contents to their system clipboard in windows 8 using the 4.0.0 RC snapshot? It causes an immediate crash every time for me. Here is the bug I opened, https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=122752 Samer
Re: Possible show stopper on Windows 8, please verify
I logged my comments in the bug, I searched the db before I opened a new bug sorry if its a duplicate. It is windows 8 64-bit. Crashes on copy and cut. Paste seems to not be affected. The four steps Rob gave in the bug are the minimum required steps to reproduce. On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 10:38 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 10:31 AM, Samer Mansour samer...@gmail.com wrote: I just got my testlink set up, and received a couple test cases 7 hours ago. The first test I went to do I couldn't complete because it caused what I think is a show stopper for windows 8 (if its reproducible) Can anyone copy or cut contents to their system clipboard in windows 8 using the 4.0.0 RC snapshot? It causes an immediate crash every time for me. There was some discussion of this on another thread. Someone reported a clipboard crash on Windows 8 with an earlier snapshot (not the RC) but was not able to reproduce it. I tried yesterday on a clean Windows 8 install and could not get a crash, copying, pasting, etc., content. But you are saying it is cut not copy. I can try that. Also, are you running 32-bit or 64-bit Windows 8? -Rob Here is the bug I opened, https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=122752 Samer - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Installation on Windows 8, 64bit
I have opened a new bug, with the version from about in the comments, please let me know if this is still the same bug. I did a upgrade from 3.4.1 to 4.0.0. Hiding the side panel did not affect outcome. https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=122752 On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 4:21 AM, Andre Fischer awf@gmail.com wrote: On 15.07.2013 10:09, Andre Fischer wrote: On 14.07.2013 22:34, Max Merbald wrote: Hello Dennis, it's as you said, you select a part in the text and then you right-click it and click copy, i. e. in my case it happened when I was trying to copy by mouse. But as I said it happened several weeks ago and it hasn't happened again since. My OS is Win8 64 bit too. This may very well have been caused by a regression bug I have introduced (and later fixed). It was usually triggered by copying or removing selected text in Writer. The issues are 121479 (the fix for this bug introduced the regression) and 122682 (fix for it, checked in on July 8th): https://issues.apache.org/ooo/**show_bug.cgi?id=121479https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=121479 https://issues.apache.org/ooo/**show_bug.cgi?id=122682https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=122682 And just to be clear, this has been fixed and is not in the release. OK, that was not very clear :-) The bug *fix* is in the release and therefore the bug is not. -Andre Max Am 14.07.2013 22:14, schrieb Dennis E. Hamilton: I don't quite understand what this means: mark something in Writer and then copy it. Is this about selecting something in Writer and copying it to the clip-board? Or is there some other action that reproduces this situation. I can test this in Windows 8 x64. - Dennis -Original Message- From: Max Merbald [mailto:max.merb...@gmx.de] Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2013 11:01 AM To:dev@openoffice.apache.org Cc: Regina Henschel Subject: Re: Installation on Windows 8, 64bit Hi Regina, I reported the same thing on June 22, but I couldn't reproduce it the next day. That was not the RC of course but build 9701. I have no idea what caused it. It doesn't happen right now either, I just tried again. Max Am 14.07.2013 19:36, schrieb Regina Henschel: Hi all, there is a mail on the German list, which describes a crash when mark something in Writer and then copy it. (Which would be a show-stopper.) The poster has deinstalled OOo3.4.1 and all previous snapshots and then installed the RC. OS is Windows 8, 64 bit. Can someone test it with this conditions? Unfortunately I haven't got Windows 8. Kind regards Regina --**--** - To unsubscribe, e-mail:dev-unsubscribe@**openoffice.apache.orge-mail%3adev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail:dev-help@openoffice.**apache.orge-mail%3adev-h...@openoffice.apache.org --**--** - To unsubscribe, e-mail:dev-unsubscribe@**openoffice.apache.orge-mail%3adev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail:dev-help@openoffice.**apache.orge-mail%3adev-h...@openoffice.apache.org --**--** - To unsubscribe, e-mail:dev-unsubscribe@**openoffice.apache.orge-mail%3adev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail:dev-help@openoffice.**apache.orge-mail%3adev-h...@openoffice.apache.org --**--** - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@openoffice.**apache.orgdev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org --**--**- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@openoffice.**apache.orgdev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [UX][DESIGN EXPLORATION] - flat application icons
I don't know what 'dia' means. My opinion is that we should not worry about them being all the same or all unique. If the product's default perspective is landscape I did landscape, vice versa if its default if portrait I did portrait. When we go circle we gain space for the application picture, we also gain circle branding. Vice versa, when its square we loose circle branding but can gain gull branding, loosing space though for gull. Also putting the gull in the circle but not in one of the two places make it looks wrong when icon is compared to official logo. When I open documents I see a blank page (preferably with paragraphs). When I open spreadsheets I see cells. When I open presentations, I see bullets and a title. When I open draw, my first experience was clicking rectangle and placing it down on the canvas. When I think formulas, I think Sum (Sigma). When I think database. I think f*** how am I going to represent that? That's the important part, think how a (slow) user would think. Familiarity. Pretty comes second. On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 8:17 AM, Armin Le Grand armin.le.gr...@me.comwrote: Hi Samer, nice stuff! No longer the basic 'app'-like shape, but nice ;-) I like the round ones, this is a visible change. I miss the gulls less than I would have imagined before seeing it... Some thoughts on looking at them: - The symbols in the objects are well distinguishable. The presentation one is rounded, the others have sharp edges. Would it be possible to have sharp/round for all uniquely? Maybe a unique size for all, too? - For Impress I still would prefer the 'dia' association, a frame with the classic 'dia' dimensions and an open 'window' in the center, like in the set from Kevin two above yours. Just my thoughts (and just suggestions of course) On 08.07.2013 17:21, Samer Mansour wrote: Hi Everyone, took another stab: https://cwiki.apache.org/**confluence/display/OOOUSERS/** AOO4+-+Desktop+Iconshttps://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO4+-+Desktop+Icons Upon scaling down, I can tweak line thicknesses to create sharper small set icons, I only scaled cheap to get this draft out on the mailing list for comments. Here are my thoughts when creating those: Flatter, sharper, more contrast, less gradients. People mentions circle is part of the brand, note taken and implemented. People mentioned too many gradients, I created this icon set back in December 2012 before we were inspired by the flat idea. Gradients have been removed. Someone mentioned shoot the birds, so I played Duck Hunt with them. Someone said my icon for Impress was less than, I choose not to act on it for the time being. I like the oblique styling on the Sigma, that's what the person building the shed wants to do. Jurgen mentioned boarders too dark, I forgot to lighten them, but can in future iterations. Rob mentioned templates to be dotted, did it, works. And its still similar enough for 3.x users to transition to. If time is running out, we can do just the main application icon for now. I'm ok with doing these for 4.1 On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 7:25 AM, Andre Fischer awf@gmail.com wrote: [stuff deleted here] -- ALG --**--**- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@openoffice.**apache.orgdev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Logo next steps
Congrats Chris! Ok girls and guys, I've already made a dent in documenting where the logo appears in the different sections: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO4+-+Application+And+Launcher I don't have sizes, but I want to review those sections and document new sizes with some wireframes what it would look like. Some of the layout could use some polishing which I could help with. I could generate the smaller images, fav icons, etc. once we have the SVG. I could check out and in changes, both code and resource files like images. Samer On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 6:31 PM, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote: Rob Weir wrote: Now that the core decision making process is over, what are the next steps? Good, congratulations to Chris and it's good to see that the outcome was basically the ratification of the preferences 5000+ people had expressed in the survey. 1) I've sent Chris a note requesting the latest SVG. Once I receive it I'll check it in. Thanks, and I assume you will also take care of all licensing and paperwork. At a certain point in future we will claim this new logo as our trademark and I trust all appropriate steps are being taken in this respect too. 2) We should make an inventory of places where this logo should go. What sizes are needed, formats, background color (or alpha transparency), border requirements, location in SVN, etc. I would just add to your list: a square 100x100 icon for social media. Ideally, we should have it in place when OpenOffice 4 is released. Note: Previously it was mentioned that the number 4 had unlucky connotations in some cultures. So we need to include the version number as part of the logo in the splash screen and about box? We'd need to hear from them, but I would find it quite odd if we didn't include a 4 in the about box (and in the splash screen too). If this was version 13 (which is unlucky in other cultures), I would find equally odd to omit the 13 from the about box. Regards, Andrea. --**--**- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@openoffice.**apache.orgdev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Results from AOO 4.0 Logo Poll
Never surprises me where I find users seeking end user help, here it is in feedback on my logo: 2 I have a problem with simple addition when I FILL SOME CELLS WITH figures. I FIND THE INSTRUCTIONS VERY DIFFICULT TO FOLLOW.NEED YOUR HELP!! Rob I'll create a finalized version and have it to you by friday. On May 3, 2013 3:46 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: I've updated the report to include links to the comments received for the top scoring logos. You can find links at the end of the report: http://survey.openoffice.org/reports/aoo40-logo-poll/ Or here: http://survey.openoffice.org/reports/aoo40-logo-poll/34.txt http://survey.openoffice.org/reports/aoo40-logo-poll/36.txt http://survey.openoffice.org/reports/aoo40-logo-poll/5.txt http://survey.openoffice.org/reports/aoo40-logo-poll/28.txt http://survey.openoffice.org/reports/aoo40-logo-poll/12.txt http://survey.openoffice.org/reports/aoo40-logo-poll/13.txt http://survey.openoffice.org/reports/aoo40-logo-poll/31.txt Next steps? As far as the survey goes, I think I'm done. We have a heap of data. I tried to make some sense of it. But it now is for the designers to take all this feedback and create one or more revised designs. Of the top scoring logos, two were from Kevin Grignon, one from Samer Mansour, two from Michael Acevedo and one from someone I haven't seen on the mailing list, but whose entry on the wiki was from Chris R. Maybe it makes sense in the next round to aim for one design per designer? If so, we can probably narrow it down to 3 or 4 choices, which we can either poll users again for, or just have a vote of project participants. There isn't much time yet, so could I suggest we aim for having the revisions done for next Friday, May 10th? Aim for 400 pixels wide, PNG with white or transparent background. Regards, -Rob On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 4:29 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: The survey ran for a week,and received over 5000 responses. I wrote up the results, along with some charts, and put them here: http://survey.openoffice.org/reports/aoo40-logo-poll/ It is rather long and detailed, so I'll take a subset of that content and spin it into a blog post over the next week or two. If there is an approach to analysis that I missed, let me know. It is easy for me to create additional tables or charts. If any designer wants to receive the user comments on their logo let me know the logo number and I'll send them to you. Regards, -Rob
Re: New committer: Donald Whytock (dwhytock)
Welcome and congrats On May 2, 2013 8:57 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: The Project Management Committee (PMC) for Apache OpenOffice has asked Donald Whytock to become a committer and we are pleased to announce that he has accepted and taken the ID dwhytock. A warm welcome to Donald ! Regards, Rob, on behalf of the AOO PMC - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Conversation: Pick A Logo
Rob, Would I be able to gain access to create this poll? Could you set me up and send me the details? I complete the test poll you sent out, there was a couple options shown off in that. I'd have to see if it allows us to post an image right inside the survey so they don't need to turn to another tab. Sam On Apr 17, 2013 8:08 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 5:08 PM, Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Apr 14, 2013 at 5:54 PM, Kevin Grignon kevingrignon...@gmail.com wrote: Hello All, Sorry, i haven't had cycles to work on this. Please consider these votes a selection of direction as final adjustments will need to be made to the graphics and text. It appears there is interest in a flat treatment. Other than that, palette, fonts and relation ship to app icons and other graphics is still open. Sorry to open a can of worms, but design is not linear, is not well suited for polls. Rather, select a direction, say flat, then open a quick iteration to explore flat. Incremental decisions will allow us to refine. It is not all or nothing. Also, consider the synergy which is possible by combining elements from different designs. I think the 5 or 6 (flat design) choices would be well-suited to a poll. Design is not linear as you point out, but a lot of time has already been spent on these proposals I would think. To me, there is no harm in a simple poll at this point. I would think predominant participation would be from existing OpenOffice users, but I could be wrong about this. If we want I can put a poll up on http://openofficesurvey.org. I could make it a ranked preference poll, where we can sort all of the options. The survey can also have a box for comments. -Rob Regards, Kevin On Apr 15, 2013, at 6:27 AM, Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 3:42 PM, Samer Mansour samer...@gmail.com wrote: Summary of feedback (which I found made points): Samer - Lets go flat, its strong in all aspects brought up. Kay S. - Agrees with flat logo. Poll should be limited to few. Robin - Wordmarks need more attention (not logo specific), Vasilis logo is cool, downside too different. Robin made a similar refresh with/without feather. Scales his orb down, no indication for his logo preference (he did submit one more). Agrees technical aspect of print, but its not deciding factor (I agree but it should be satisfied). Dave F - Wordmark needs attention as well, likes flat logo. Dennis - Check with trademark@ Andrea - Likes orb, not a fan of flat (as its been used as a surrogate in the past due to limitations). Alexandro - alters Robins logo. Juergen - What about stand alone logo for buttons, stickers. Proposes we should poll. Kadal - Because companies do it, we shouldn't? - not sure that is convincing b/c they pay expert designers. Vasilis - Likes flat, but wordmark not so much. Milo - Likes flat, but workmark needs changing, TM placement too. Rob - Poll, but its not decision making. PMC decides in end. PMC likes data, more the better (ie. poll data). Consider conferences and booth materials, CD prints, etc. Janl - Agrees poll for decision is bad idea, but poll for data is good. Keep it similar to classic orb. Doesn't have to be flat but Janl doesn't state outright if flat is bad. Graham L - Logo is not a computer icon. Print is a huge part of marketing. Print good - electronically good, but not necessarily other way around. I could set up a visual poll and share multiple time over facebook and social media. http://freeonlinesurveys.com/app/showpoll.asp?qid=244375sid=xz7athj6ytcg4mb244375new=True Respond with your favourite 3 logo please, or top 2 or 1. The logos that score the least will be eliminated: 1. Flattened Logo 2. Kevin G. Flat Feather. 3. third pick abstained. I would also include: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/download/attachments/31818000/OO_4_final_design_Robin-Fowler.jpg?version=1modificationDate=1365884183026 Yes, the feather is a bit too big but it could be made smaller... I guess we work on lettering after the logo? Thanks for all this work by everybody! On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 12:13 PM, Ian Lynch ianrly...@gmail.com wrote: On 13 April 2013 16:25, Graham Lauder y...@apache.org wrote: Hi Milos, On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 06:45:18PM +0200, Milosh Vujnovic wrote: Hi guys, just a quick comment and clarification regarding printing and logos. Print-friendly version (vector, CMYK) is crucial to be prepared during logo design process. This includes color and blackwhite version (on light and dark
Re: Conversation: Pick A Logo
Armin, The application icons may differ from the logo. Are you talking about these: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/02+-+Design+Proposal+Samer+Mansour+2013.03.03 It may have been the first version of that that I removed a few months back. There was some design faux pas in that icon set. Please check sibling pages. I haven't deleted anything in the wiki. I've copied pages and then deleted content to make summaries. On Apr 16, 2013 9:03 AM, Armin Le Grand armin.le.gr...@me.com wrote: Hi Samer, thanks for working on the overview! Despite that, I'm missing the 'App-Icon'-like ones, I do no longer know whwre these were or from whom. It's the rectangular ones (like the famous 'App'-icons for various AppStores, in our Blue, with the Seagulls, also with slight lighting effect. I consider these a good and modern alternative. Could we please add these to the selection (if we find them again, of course)...? Sincerely, Armin On 14.04.2013 00:42, Samer Mansour wrote: Summary of feedback (which I found made points): Samer - Lets go flat, its strong in all aspects brought up. Kay S. - Agrees with flat logo. Poll should be limited to few. Robin - Wordmarks need more attention (not logo specific), Vasilis logo is cool, downside too different. Robin made a similar refresh with/without feather. Scales his orb down, no indication for his logo preference (he did submit one more). Agrees technical aspect of print, but its not deciding factor (I agree but it should be satisfied). Dave F - Wordmark needs attention as well, likes flat logo. Dennis - Check with trademark@ Andrea - Likes orb, not a fan of flat (as its been used as a surrogate in the past due to limitations). Alexandro - alters Robins logo. Juergen - What about stand alone logo for buttons, stickers. Proposes we should poll. Kadal - Because companies do it, we shouldn't? - not sure that is convincing b/c they pay expert designers. Vasilis - Likes flat, but wordmark not so much. Milo - Likes flat, but workmark needs changing, TM placement too. Rob - Poll, but its not decision making. PMC decides in end. PMC likes data, more the better (ie. poll data). Consider conferences and booth materials, CD prints, etc. Janl - Agrees poll for decision is bad idea, but poll for data is good. Keep it similar to classic orb. Doesn't have to be flat but Janl doesn't state outright if flat is bad. Graham L - Logo is not a computer icon. Print is a huge part of marketing. Print good - electronically good, but not necessarily other way around. I could set up a visual poll and share multiple time over facebook and social media. http://freeonlinesurveys.com/**app/showpoll.asp?qid=244375** sid=xz7athj6ytcg4mb244375new=**Truehttp://freeonlinesurveys.com/app/showpoll.asp?qid=244375sid=xz7athj6ytcg4mb244375new=True Respond with your favourite 3 logo please, or top 2 or 1. The logos that score the least will be eliminated: 1. Flattened Logo 2. Kevin G. Flat Feather. 3. third pick abstained. On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 12:13 PM, Ian Lynch ianrly...@gmail.com wrote: On 13 April 2013 16:25, Graham Lauder y...@apache.org wrote: Hi Milos, On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 06:45:18PM +0200, Milosh Vujnovic wrote: Hi guys, just a quick comment and clarification regarding printing and logos. Print-friendly version (vector, CMYK) is crucial to be prepared during logo design process. This includes color and blackwhite version (on light and dark background). I must disagree with the comments on that printing is rarely used anymore - few examples include billboards, fair stands, business cards, letterheads and other stationery, and so on. But OpenOffice is a desktop application. For me, this means the main focus should be in a logo that looks good everywhere where it is mainly used, in the user's desktop (even in the window title bar) and the website (even in the website favicon). Thus, IMHO, printing has the lowest priority. Regards I have been keeping out of this conversation because I don't have time at the moment to give sufficient focus to OO, but I have been reading the list as I am able. The above statement however prompts me to respond. The main focus of the logo is to identify and attract. The statement above shows a limited understanding of marketing. The advent of computers has far from given us a paperless office, it has in fact increased paper usage by a huge margin. Print media is a hugely significant part of marketing collateral. Flyers, posters CD sleeves and labels, business cards etc. Whenever reviews are printed in magazines there should be a logo with the article. Logo is not just about finding OO on a computer, that's an icon. The logo should work in print (specifically worst case scenario which is 4 colour on newsprint) and it will work digitally, the opposite does not necessarily follow. Cheers GL
Re: Conversation: Pick A Logo
Summary of feedback (which I found made points): Samer - Lets go flat, its strong in all aspects brought up. Kay S. - Agrees with flat logo. Poll should be limited to few. Robin - Wordmarks need more attention (not logo specific), Vasilis logo is cool, downside too different. Robin made a similar refresh with/without feather. Scales his orb down, no indication for his logo preference (he did submit one more). Agrees technical aspect of print, but its not deciding factor (I agree but it should be satisfied). Dave F - Wordmark needs attention as well, likes flat logo. Dennis - Check with trademark@ Andrea - Likes orb, not a fan of flat (as its been used as a surrogate in the past due to limitations). Alexandro - alters Robins logo. Juergen - What about stand alone logo for buttons, stickers. Proposes we should poll. Kadal - Because companies do it, we shouldn't? - not sure that is convincing b/c they pay expert designers. Vasilis - Likes flat, but wordmark not so much. Milo - Likes flat, but workmark needs changing, TM placement too. Rob - Poll, but its not decision making. PMC decides in end. PMC likes data, more the better (ie. poll data). Consider conferences and booth materials, CD prints, etc. Janl - Agrees poll for decision is bad idea, but poll for data is good. Keep it similar to classic orb. Doesn't have to be flat but Janl doesn't state outright if flat is bad. Graham L - Logo is not a computer icon. Print is a huge part of marketing. Print good - electronically good, but not necessarily other way around. I could set up a visual poll and share multiple time over facebook and social media. http://freeonlinesurveys.com/app/showpoll.asp?qid=244375sid=xz7athj6ytcg4mb244375new=True Respond with your favourite 3 logo please, or top 2 or 1. The logos that score the least will be eliminated: 1. Flattened Logo 2. Kevin G. Flat Feather. 3. third pick abstained. On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 12:13 PM, Ian Lynch ianrly...@gmail.com wrote: On 13 April 2013 16:25, Graham Lauder y...@apache.org wrote: Hi Milos, On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 06:45:18PM +0200, Milosh Vujnovic wrote: Hi guys, just a quick comment and clarification regarding printing and logos. Print-friendly version (vector, CMYK) is crucial to be prepared during logo design process. This includes color and blackwhite version (on light and dark background). I must disagree with the comments on that printing is rarely used anymore - few examples include billboards, fair stands, business cards, letterheads and other stationery, and so on. But OpenOffice is a desktop application. For me, this means the main focus should be in a logo that looks good everywhere where it is mainly used, in the user's desktop (even in the window title bar) and the website (even in the website favicon). Thus, IMHO, printing has the lowest priority. Regards I have been keeping out of this conversation because I don't have time at the moment to give sufficient focus to OO, but I have been reading the list as I am able. The above statement however prompts me to respond. The main focus of the logo is to identify and attract. The statement above shows a limited understanding of marketing. The advent of computers has far from given us a paperless office, it has in fact increased paper usage by a huge margin. Print media is a hugely significant part of marketing collateral. Flyers, posters CD sleeves and labels, business cards etc. Whenever reviews are printed in magazines there should be a logo with the article. Logo is not just about finding OO on a computer, that's an icon. The logo should work in print (specifically worst case scenario which is 4 colour on newsprint) and it will work digitally, the opposite does not necessarily follow. Cheers GL - To unsubscribe, e-mail: marketing-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: marketing-h...@openoffice.apache.org Apart form anything else, why is it so difficult to make a vector image that is good on print and on screen? When something is achievable why settle for something less? -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications https://theingots.org/community/faq#7.0 Headline points in the 2014 and 2015 school league tables www.theINGOTs.org +44 (0)1827 305940 The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales.
Re: Conversation: Pick A Logo
I don't know if anyone watched the news yesterday, but does this logo look a little familiar: Facebook Home - http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embeddedv=Lep_DSmSRwE Hi Everyone, Think of the average person, you tell them this needs to be used in the icons, website, print, media, if you put these up for a poll from them, they will vote for the most visually appealing. Now think of designers, you tell them this needs to be used in the icons, website, print, media, if you put these up for a poll from them, they will vote for the best logo based on the use. Like Janl has stated, I moved forward with this one because it considered the different mediums they will be displayed on and scaling the best. What specifically is not liked in the flattened proposals? Like Milos pointed out, the TM spacing and size can be corrected and the font can be changed with a new open font (someone can suggest and point me where to download the font that suggest?) In order to propose a logo to the PMC, I don't think a vote or poll may be necessar If we can get to a point where one logo is picked, the PMC doesn't need to judge logos, they just have to approve the change, am I correct? Here is something more constructive: - Robin, would you be able to alter your logo to make it scalable, lines are currently lost when shrinking. 32x32 and 16x16 icon? - Vasilis, your logo too, could you figure a way to scale that down to 32x32 and 16x16. I'm also interested to see what that logo would look like if the gradients were gone, it would be excellent for print. Could you post that separately to compare? This isn't easy, the old logo works really well in all these areas so I don't want to replace it with something that doesn't work well in the same areas The official logo should be version independent as well. Samer On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 4:07 PM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote: On Apr 5, 2013, at 8:02 AM, janI wrote: On 5 April 2013 16:52, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 10:37 AM, janI j...@apache.org wrote: On 5 April 2013 14:50, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 3:33 AM, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.com wrote: On 4/5/13 6:01 AM, Samer Mansour wrote: Hello Everyone, Can I propose we move forward with this logo: http://imagebin.org/252847 I kept the current official blue for both the logo and word 'Open' in the wordmark because the word 'Open' gets less emphasis with the lighter blue. I also gave the text Apache a placement inside the valley made by the two O's as many people's designs had suggested. The font is Roboto Condensed which is Apache 2.0 Licensed. mmh, I don't think that it would be a good approach if we simply move forward with this one. We collected several proposals over weeks now and it is still not easy to pick the serious ones. We should summarize what we have, maybe drop the obvious bad ones and start a first vote. the 3 best voted proposals will be reviewed in more detail if they fulfill our requirements and if we can appropriate further brand elements like icons, app icon, etc. Maybe call the initial thing a poll rather than a vote. It is a form of testing, really, gathering feedback in a structured way. But it is not a decision-making process. We could put the top 3 into a blog post and gather feedback and preferences on blog, mailing list, facebook, etc. We'll also get 'expert opinion' from those who understand logos well. This all gives the PMC some solid information, from community members, users, experts, etc., to make a final decision. Ideally these sources concur on their preferences. But there might be divergent views. But the PMC decides in the end. I have lost the overview of how many logos are in competition, since it do not follow this theme intensively. I have seen at least one I really liked, but to fair I think we should make one page (mwiki/cwiki or something else) where everybody can see the competing logos side by side. The logos should each be structured as Web-logo, software-logo and favicon (many seems to forget this important part). With such a page the community can give their opinion (I agree with rob, no vote just a poll), and the 3 best, go in a second round, and of course pmc officially decide, but I am pretty sure they will follow the opinion of the community. I personally would not take the 3 best to a blog/facebook etcthis is our product, and we the community decide how to present it to the end-users. I think of the Facebook thing would be more a poll then a decision making process. It is another source of info. As a PMC member, the more data I have to help make decisions the better. I'd weigh heavily community opinion on our mailing lists, but I'd also be interesting in taking the pulse of ordinary users who are seeing
Re: Conversation: Pick A Logo
Hello Everyone, Can I propose we move forward with this logo: http://imagebin.org/252847 I kept the current official blue for both the logo and word 'Open' in the wordmark because the word 'Open' gets less emphasis with the lighter blue. I also gave the text Apache a placement inside the valley made by the two O's as many people's designs had suggested. The font is Roboto Condensed which is Apache 2.0 Licensed. The source file is an SVG created in Inkscape. The above is a png export. Samer On Sun, Mar 31, 2013 at 2:55 PM, Samer Mansour samer...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I will wait a few more days but it sounds like the group will be able to come to a consensus on refreshing the orb in some way or another. We can proceed with finalizing this logo proposal if no one objectifies. Samer On Sun, Mar 31, 2013 at 3:40 AM, Kadal Amutham vka...@gmail.com wrote: A flat logo may be good for Pepsi, Domino's, Microsoft, Skype, Twitter since they have money power to promote. What AOO needs is a good looking logo With Warm Regards V.Kadal Amutham 919444360480 914422396480 On 30 March 2013 18:17, Juergen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.com wrote: Am Samstag, 30. März 2013 um 03:05 schrieb Alexandro Colorado: On 3/29/13, Robin Fowler robin.fow...@outlook.com wrote: Due to the opinions I've seen so far I've decided to make a new design: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/download/attachments/27846912/OO_4_final_design_Robin-Fowler.jpg?version=1modificationDate=1364582663662 Here is a tweak, without the orb. Looks pretty olympic. http://imagebin.org/252139 maybe I am confused but I thought that we want something like the orb that can be used standalone with the name. For ample for buttons, stickers etc. Juergen Overall it has a flat look and yet still some depth to make it stand out from the microsoft brand. I think it is also important to think about the form itself, the silhouette should ideally be recognisable on its own, which is one reason using the apache feather is a good idea. Some other thoughts: One of the problems i see with a lot of the proposals is the lack of thought given to typography. It seems the text is just slapped on as an afterthought, in many cases the 'apache' is floating somewhere randomly above 'openoffice'. Think of what you want the logo to imply, it should not look disorganised. Another thing worth pointing out is the kerning (spacing between letters) which could be optimised on some of the proposals. There was a long discussion about the typography, starting with an open typography, and also a more artistic. This is an extremely important aspect of the whole logo design and should be considered when choosing a design. After all, many logos consist of nothing other than text. I also want to say i really like Vasilis Xenofontos design. It might be too different from the current, but it's a very good logo imo. Robin On 28 Mar 2013, at 12:38, Samer Mansour samer...@gmail.com wrote: Robin brought up a good point that we should pick a logo before we start work on the application artifacts or the website as it will influence those. I initially was excited that we could have a new logo, an opportunity to change the face of OpenOffice. But after I saw Chris R. proposal I convinced myself refreshing rather than re-branding was the better path. So I would like to start a conversation that will hopefully give us strong arguments to picking a logo. I already mentioned I liked the flat logo. Here are reasons: - It is very similar to the current logo and that logo has a history of being recognized. - Flat is 'in', easily recognizable on and works well on social platforms, screens and print media. (Think corporate and product logos of today, recently Pepsi, Domino's, Microsoft, Skype, Twitter) - This logo can be severed from the word mark to make it fit in a square and still carry the branding image. Icons, site, etc. - A middle ground for community members who like the current logo. Who want to achieve a new image of 4.0 without tossing history. Looking back, we had lots of ideas but it only took me a moment when i saw Chris r.'s proposal to realize the logo didn't need to be complex and completely new. That simple was actually beautiful. Thoughts? Agree? Disagree (and your solution is)? Samer Mansour - To unsubscribe, e-mail: marketing-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: marketing-h...@openoffice.apache.org -- Alexandro Colorado Apache OpenOffice
Re: Conversation: Pick A Logo
Hello, I will wait a few more days but it sounds like the group will be able to come to a consensus on refreshing the orb in some way or another. We can proceed with finalizing this logo proposal if no one objectifies. Samer On Sun, Mar 31, 2013 at 3:40 AM, Kadal Amutham vka...@gmail.com wrote: A flat logo may be good for Pepsi, Domino's, Microsoft, Skype, Twitter since they have money power to promote. What AOO needs is a good looking logo With Warm Regards V.Kadal Amutham 919444360480 914422396480 On 30 March 2013 18:17, Juergen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.com wrote: Am Samstag, 30. März 2013 um 03:05 schrieb Alexandro Colorado: On 3/29/13, Robin Fowler robin.fow...@outlook.com wrote: Due to the opinions I've seen so far I've decided to make a new design: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/download/attachments/27846912/OO_4_final_design_Robin-Fowler.jpg?version=1modificationDate=1364582663662 Here is a tweak, without the orb. Looks pretty olympic. http://imagebin.org/252139 maybe I am confused but I thought that we want something like the orb that can be used standalone with the name. For ample for buttons, stickers etc. Juergen Overall it has a flat look and yet still some depth to make it stand out from the microsoft brand. I think it is also important to think about the form itself, the silhouette should ideally be recognisable on its own, which is one reason using the apache feather is a good idea. Some other thoughts: One of the problems i see with a lot of the proposals is the lack of thought given to typography. It seems the text is just slapped on as an afterthought, in many cases the 'apache' is floating somewhere randomly above 'openoffice'. Think of what you want the logo to imply, it should not look disorganised. Another thing worth pointing out is the kerning (spacing between letters) which could be optimised on some of the proposals. There was a long discussion about the typography, starting with an open typography, and also a more artistic. This is an extremely important aspect of the whole logo design and should be considered when choosing a design. After all, many logos consist of nothing other than text. I also want to say i really like Vasilis Xenofontos design. It might be too different from the current, but it's a very good logo imo. Robin On 28 Mar 2013, at 12:38, Samer Mansour samer...@gmail.com wrote: Robin brought up a good point that we should pick a logo before we start work on the application artifacts or the website as it will influence those. I initially was excited that we could have a new logo, an opportunity to change the face of OpenOffice. But after I saw Chris R. proposal I convinced myself refreshing rather than re-branding was the better path. So I would like to start a conversation that will hopefully give us strong arguments to picking a logo. I already mentioned I liked the flat logo. Here are reasons: - It is very similar to the current logo and that logo has a history of being recognized. - Flat is 'in', easily recognizable on and works well on social platforms, screens and print media. (Think corporate and product logos of today, recently Pepsi, Domino's, Microsoft, Skype, Twitter) - This logo can be severed from the word mark to make it fit in a square and still carry the branding image. Icons, site, etc. - A middle ground for community members who like the current logo. Who want to achieve a new image of 4.0 without tossing history. Looking back, we had lots of ideas but it only took me a moment when i saw Chris r.'s proposal to realize the logo didn't need to be complex and completely new. That simple was actually beautiful. Thoughts? Agree? Disagree (and your solution is)? Samer Mansour - To unsubscribe, e-mail: marketing-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: marketing-h...@openoffice.apache.org -- Alexandro Colorado Apache OpenOffice Contributor http://es.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: marketing-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: marketing-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Conversation: Pick A Logo
Robin brought up a good point that we should pick a logo before we start work on the application artifacts or the website as it will influence those. I initially was excited that we could have a new logo, an opportunity to change the face of OpenOffice. But after I saw Chris R. proposal I convinced myself refreshing rather than re-branding was the better path. So I would like to start a conversation that will hopefully give us strong arguments to picking a logo. I already mentioned I liked the flat logo. Here are reasons: - It is very similar to the current logo and that logo has a history of being recognized. - Flat is 'in', easily recognizable on and works well on social platforms, screens and print media. (Think corporate and product logos of today, recently Pepsi, Domino's, Microsoft, Skype, Twitter) - This logo can be severed from the word mark to make it fit in a square and still carry the branding image. Icons, site, etc. - A middle ground for community members who like the current logo. Who want to achieve a new image of 4.0 without tossing history. Looking back, we had lots of ideas but it only took me a moment when i saw Chris r.'s proposal to realize the logo didn't need to be complex and completely new. That simple was actually beautiful. Thoughts? Agree? Disagree (and your solution is)? Samer Mansour
Re: updating Splashscreen
I've taken the feedback down, I will follow up on this. https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO4+-+Application+And+Launcher Agree less is better. I think there is a better way to recognize contributors such as a hyperlink in the about screen. Much like credits, it can be updated between releases as well. Samer Mansour On Mar 26, 2013 6:02 PM, Hagar Delest hagar.del...@laposte.net wrote: Le 26/03/2013 15:05, Rob Weir a écrit : But I think we should align with the user's thinking at this point. They've launched OpenOffice, presumable *to do a task*. They are not researching the license. They are not looking to find out the list of OpenOffice contributors. They have work to do and the splash screen is only a delay for them. So I'd keep it simple and focus mainly on reassuring the user that they are in the right place, i.e., confirm what app they are loading and that it actually is loading. +1. Keep it simple. Any complicated animation (like MSO for example) could make the user think that the resource is used for a splash screen he doesn't care about. Just load the application, that's all. However, the progress bar is a good hint to show how the loading is going. Something that could be improved: the splash screen is a real help for the user since he knows that the application is actually loading. It should not disappear until the start center or the document is displayed. Today, there is a gap and the splash screen disappear before AOO is displayed. What's the problem you would say: when there is a problem, the splash screen disappears and then nothing... So the user is lost: what happened? This is not that rare in the forum. At least if the splash screen is still on display and freezes, it clearly tells that there is a problem. Hagar --**--**- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@openoffice.**apache.orgdev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: updating Splashscreen
I think we should start first with what the purpose of the splash screen is: 1 Welcome users. Hi I'm OpenOffice. 2 Provide loading progress. If loading is so fast do we even need a bar. Perhaps a spinning circle is better to show activity. 3 Is there any specific requirements. Ie. Legal, asf logo requirement. My thought, its unlikely we have legal requirement as its not even up long enough for users to read in order to adhere to. My contribution in this conversation is to stand in the user's shoes. Think little sister or mom. Do they read that? Is it foreign concept? Do they care? Should they really care? If we cut out text and objects that don't really matter, when it comes time to present the user with something that does matter they will more likely read it. Please note I am listening to feedback with ears wide open, no comment is a stupid comment. I will place feedback into the application screens wiki page I started. Samer On Mar 25, 2013 8:59 AM, Louis Suárez-Potts lui...@gmail.com wrote: On 13-03-25, at 07:41 , Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 10:08 PM, Louis Suárez-Potts lui...@gmail.com wrote: The new-ish splashcreen improves on the old, which had the charm of being written in not-quite-colloquial English. But now its as charming as a gap toothed smile. Things are missing. So: NOW: Copyright © 2012 Apache Software Foundation. All rights reserved. This product was created by Apache Software Foundation, based on Apache OpenOffice. Apache OpenOffice acknowledges all community members, especially those mentioned at credits url. Or just drop the 2nd paragraph. You can't click on the link in the splash screen, right? And it is not up long enough for anyone to write it down. We can cover that info in Help/About. -Rob Suits me. louis — IMPROVED: Copyright © 2012 Apache Software Foundation. All rights reserved. This product, Apache OpenOffice, was created by The Apache Software Foundation and is based on code hosted by the ASF. We recognize the contributions of the members constituting the Apache OpenOffice Project and in particular credit those mentioned at -- -louis - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Branding Refresh For AOO 4.0 [Closing in 72hrs]
That looks great! On Mon, Mar 4, 2013 at 5:00 PM, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote: On 02/03/2013 Samer Mansour wrote: I've populated some minimal how to participate info on https://cwiki.apache.org/**confluence/display/OOOUSERS/** Apache+OpenOffice+4.0+Brand+**Refresh+Projecthttps://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Apache+OpenOffice+4.0+Brand+Refresh+Project . Could you help with making that a blog post? Even if its short Call For Designers And a link to the above Thanks. I've put together a draft blog post, using your text, at http://blogs.apache.org/**preview/OOo/?previewEntry=** call_for_designers_apache_**openofficehttp://blogs.apache.org/preview/OOo/?previewEntry=call_for_designers_apache_openoffice Comments/suggestions welcome. Regards, Andrea. --**--**- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@openoffice.**apache.orgdev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Branding Refresh For AOO 4.0 [Closing in 72hrs]
Andrea, I've populated some minimal how to participate info on https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Apache+OpenOffice+4.0+Brand+Refresh+Project . Could you help with making that a blog post? Even if its short Call For Designers And a link to the above Samer On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 3:26 PM, Samer Mansour samer...@gmail.com wrote: Kevin Grignon if you have spare time and experience in the area of design language and messaging your help would be really appreciated as I have limited experience in this area. If you have a cwiki account, I don't mind if you alter the pages I've worked on. https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Apache+OpenOffice+4.0+Brand+Refresh+Project Andrea I'll try to populate the wiki better so that it leads into each design area and add more contact information and submission help so volunteers know how to subscribe to the marketing mailing list and post their proposals to the cwiki. Then we can blog saying we need designers for ideas and to help implement. This is going to take me a few days, I'm really busy in the next day or so. Samer On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 3:51 AM, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.orgwrote: On 23/02/2013 Rob Weir wrote: My advice: continue pushing the effort forward, but avoid the perception of exclusion that comes by specifying a hard deadline, especially a sudden one. The progress of AOO 4.0 will create its own practical deadline. And my advice (in addition to agreeing with Rob on this): get exposure. The text in https://cwiki.apache.org/**confluence/display/OOOUSERS/** Apache+OpenOffice+4.0+Brand+**Refresh+Projecthttps://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Apache+OpenOffice+4.0+Brand+Refresh+Project can be copied almost verbatim to a blog post that can generate awareness, traffic and involvement, and perhaps a few unusable submissions, but also a few good ones. Choosing a new logo is an occasion to get more attention on one hand, and a duty to inform current users on the other hand: we are changing a well-known brand and this need proper communication. I've already written this, but it would be good to add to https://cwiki.apache.org/**confluence/display/OOOUSERS/** Apache+OpenOffice+4.0+Brand+**Refresh+Projecthttps://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Apache+OpenOffice+4.0+Brand+Refresh+Project(and to the possible blog post) some contact information, possibly the marketing or dev list. If you tweak the text so that it can be used as a blog post, I can take care of posting it to http://blogs.apache.org/OOo/ Regards, Andrea.
Re: Document Freedom Day 2013 -- March 27
On 1) Can I suggest we make the graphic change maybe 3-5 days before DFD. Make an earlier blog post letting people know its coming up. We should go viral before the day. I could create a small page about AOO and DFD and what it means to us. Much like the download page, we can assign the social platform meta-data image and text to the one we're promoting AOO with. We could then link it to the early and day-of blog posts. - - - - - PAGE META DATA [Image=AOO-DFD-Doodle.png] [Title=Apache OpenOffice celebrates DFD, learn more here.] [Text=AOO is committed to support ODF standards so that everyone can access their information independent of the tools and suites they use. Learn more here.] IN TYPICAL OO.org PAGE TEMPLATE [Short brief about what it means to us. Benefits to society, talk about owning your information and having the freedom to move to other office suites and OS/Technology platforms. Talk about how we support multiple platforms for that freedom. Windows to Linux to OS X] Let your friends know its document freedom day on March 27th: [Share Facebook] [Share Twitter] [Share Google+] Are you ready to be free? [Download Apache OpenOffice Today! possibly href'd image] - - - - - Samer On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 1:48 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: Document Freedom Day (DFD) promotes the use of open standards and interoperability in documents. OpenOffice has been a core part of DFD since it first started in 2008. Our community's support of the OpenDocument Format (ODF) file format is broad: in the product of course, but also via our personal use, and via the efforts of our volunteers in OASIS maintaining the standard, and at Plugfests improving interoperability. I'd like to see us celebrate Document Freedom Day. I think we can do something similar do what we did for International Mother Language Day: Using social media and our website. We can reach nearly a million people when we do this, so it is very effective. To make this happen we need a few things to happen before, say March 10th: 1) An adapted logo for the website, something thematic. a) The hi-res version of the current logo is here: http://www.openoffice.org/images/AOO_logos/AOO-logo-hires.jpg b) For ideas, the official DFD art work is here: http://documentfreedom.org/artwork.en.html c) The final website logo should be 100px high, with width of 200-400px. d) If we can avoid putting the date in the logo we can reuse it in future years as well. 2) A blog post and/or press release. The week prior to DFD is Sunshine Week in the US, and is focused on open government (http://www.sunshineweek.org/). So I might try to write up something that connects the two, i.e., how the use of open standards helps promote open government. 3) Use our social media accounts to promote DFD on the day. Anyone interested in helping? Regards, -Rob
Re: Branding Refresh For AOO 4.0 [Closing in 72hrs]
Hey Everyone, Let me first admit I felt Saturday (72 hrs) was short, but at the same time necessary. I expected someone would have said Wait I volunteer to make a proposal but I just don't have enough time in the next few days. On date and rush: The date that floated for design assets to be ready for consumption is April 4th, 2013 which is 40 days from this writing. We all would like to have the refresh integrated into the RCs, where applicable. What I've seen produced in the last two months has been more than the previous 10 months and is amazing work. If we pick something and just do it, I think we can make the 04/04 target. Our volunteers are very eager to start. On Voting: I asked for comments into the wiki's so that everyone can proposes ideas even if they are not artistically inclined. I'm relatively new to the community so I'm not sure what warrants a vote or how a change like in this particular situation is incorporated into the product, its not code to be checked in per say, but it is an asset. On Flex: Our community's make up is a little different. We have everyday students and diverse work industries using our product. Flex's community by nature is more exposed to designers. I would be horrified to find flex's community had anything less than an amazing site. Having said that I would totally be okay with approaching the flex community and asking humbly that we could use some help of theirs. Also I think their designer nature contributed to why they may have had 50 proposals :D Moving Forward: I know this will be a very opinionated activity. I invite anyone who is passionate about this activity to join the marketing team to help us do the work and complete the assets. I need a shed and they give me a purple one, I'm going to have to trust them. It is easier for me to take the opinion of someone if they did the work. Integration of the team: I've already seen activity that leads me to believe I'm taking the right path. Robin proposed a full design and someone suggested the script font was a little off. Robin agreed, the output now is something +2 agree with. If more input is given, my good faith says it will converge to a high percentage of the community's desires, but not necessarily everyone's. Samer Mansour On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 2:46 AM, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.comwrote: On 2/22/13 1:21 AM, Dave Fisher wrote: On Feb 21, 2013, at 4:02 PM, Dave Fisher wrote: (Note this discussion is going to be difficult because we are posting between two lists.) Adding back marketing, who are doing wonderful work. Look at http://flex.apache.org/. It might be an inspiration for someone. I saw the flex one before and was very impressed by the new logo. Maybe you can reach out there if some of the designers are interested to help us as well. A logo (and more design elements) for a 40 million downloaded app should be motivating. Juergen Regards, Dave On Feb 21, 2013, at 2:23 PM, Rob Weir wrote: On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 4:27 PM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote: On Feb 20, 2013, at 8:13 AM, Samer Mansour wrote: Hello AOO Dev and Marketing Community, The main subject of this e-mail is to call for an end date to proposals. In 72hrs (saturday) we will be closing branding proposals. - - - - - I am heading up the branding effort for the AOO 4.0 release and we can unanimously agree the 4.0 release will be a milestone for our community and users. For this special release the marketing team is taking on the effort to giving us a fresh look. The marketing team is starting to plot deadlines at the same time as the dev team, the marketing team can't keep proposing ideas forever, we actually need to do the work to get us there. Specially because some dev efforts require assets from our designers. What does that mean? - We're picking and choosing. Late submissions might not be considered (just the nature of just do it sorry). - Eliminating designs we don't like and smoothing and integrating ones we do like. - In a week from Saturday we will have a master proposal to present for lazy consensus. (at least that's the plan) I do not think that this can operate as lazy consensus,. it is a process that is more opinion based than most. It is possible that the Marketing team can make some discussions, but the community may have other preferences. Indeed I assume there would be many opinions. But in the discussion that had lead up to this has noted that there are well-established design and marketing best practices for logo desgin, and giving some trust to those volunteers with knowledge of these disciplines might yield a better result that throwing it out to a general vote of 400 subscribers to the dev list and their individual non-expert opinions. Now you could argue that opinions of non-experts is useful, and what the general public thinks is important
Re: Branding Refresh For AOO 4.0 [Closing in 72hrs]
Hello, I've reached out to Nicholas Kwiatkowski of the Apache Flex project, he is on the volunteer page as Working on components, website, marketing. I've asked if he knows any volunteers who can help us in the area of website design, icons, splash screens, etc. as we'll need help implementing those. I'll begin working with Robin F., Chris R., and Michael A. this week in the mean time. Samer Mansour On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 12:36 PM, Samer Mansour samer...@gmail.com wrote: Hey Everyone, Let me first admit I felt Saturday (72 hrs) was short, but at the same time necessary. I expected someone would have said Wait I volunteer to make a proposal but I just don't have enough time in the next few days. On date and rush: The date that floated for design assets to be ready for consumption is April 4th, 2013 which is 40 days from this writing. We all would like to have the refresh integrated into the RCs, where applicable. What I've seen produced in the last two months has been more than the previous 10 months and is amazing work. If we pick something and just do it, I think we can make the 04/04 target. Our volunteers are very eager to start. On Voting: I asked for comments into the wiki's so that everyone can proposes ideas even if they are not artistically inclined. I'm relatively new to the community so I'm not sure what warrants a vote or how a change like in this particular situation is incorporated into the product, its not code to be checked in per say, but it is an asset. On Flex: Our community's make up is a little different. We have everyday students and diverse work industries using our product. Flex's community by nature is more exposed to designers. I would be horrified to find flex's community had anything less than an amazing site. Having said that I would totally be okay with approaching the flex community and asking humbly that we could use some help of theirs. Also I think their designer nature contributed to why they may have had 50 proposals :D Moving Forward: I know this will be a very opinionated activity. I invite anyone who is passionate about this activity to join the marketing team to help us do the work and complete the assets. I need a shed and they give me a purple one, I'm going to have to trust them. It is easier for me to take the opinion of someone if they did the work. Integration of the team: I've already seen activity that leads me to believe I'm taking the right path. Robin proposed a full design and someone suggested the script font was a little off. Robin agreed, the output now is something +2 agree with. If more input is given, my good faith says it will converge to a high percentage of the community's desires, but not necessarily everyone's. Samer Mansour On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 2:46 AM, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.comwrote: On 2/22/13 1:21 AM, Dave Fisher wrote: On Feb 21, 2013, at 4:02 PM, Dave Fisher wrote: (Note this discussion is going to be difficult because we are posting between two lists.) Adding back marketing, who are doing wonderful work. Look at http://flex.apache.org/. It might be an inspiration for someone. I saw the flex one before and was very impressed by the new logo. Maybe you can reach out there if some of the designers are interested to help us as well. A logo (and more design elements) for a 40 million downloaded app should be motivating. Juergen Regards, Dave On Feb 21, 2013, at 2:23 PM, Rob Weir wrote: On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 4:27 PM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote: On Feb 20, 2013, at 8:13 AM, Samer Mansour wrote: Hello AOO Dev and Marketing Community, The main subject of this e-mail is to call for an end date to proposals. In 72hrs (saturday) we will be closing branding proposals. - - - - - I am heading up the branding effort for the AOO 4.0 release and we can unanimously agree the 4.0 release will be a milestone for our community and users. For this special release the marketing team is taking on the effort to giving us a fresh look. The marketing team is starting to plot deadlines at the same time as the dev team, the marketing team can't keep proposing ideas forever, we actually need to do the work to get us there. Specially because some dev efforts require assets from our designers. What does that mean? - We're picking and choosing. Late submissions might not be considered (just the nature of just do it sorry). - Eliminating designs we don't like and smoothing and integrating ones we do like. - In a week from Saturday we will have a master proposal to present for lazy consensus. (at least that's the plan) I do not think that this can operate as lazy consensus,. it is a process that is more opinion based than most. It is possible that the Marketing team can make some discussions, but the community may have other preferences. Indeed I assume
Re: [RELEASE]: proposed schedule for AOO 4.0
I will be driving the branding effort from the marketing team. I agree design work needs to be done early. 04/04 is a good target. On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 5:32 AM, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.comwrote: On 2/20/13 10:46 AM, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: Hi, we make good progress with the sidebar work which is done on the branch. The sidebar will be the most visible and important change for 4.0 (by the way I like what I have seen so far). We come closer to the point where we should talk about a more detailed schedule. I would like to start with the following proposal and still many steps have to be defined in more detail. 03/01 function verification test will start, define test case, prepare tests etc. 04/04 integrate sidebar branch in trunk, other new features should be finished by this date as well. I missed to add that the art work (logo, icons, etc. should be finished at this date as well) 04/05 - 05/15 regression testing will be start on trunk 04/05 - 05/15 bugfix and stabilization, no feature development 04/08 - 05/15 translation - I guessed ~5 weeks for updating the new strings. This can change when we know exactly how many new strings we will have. But translation for new languages can already work on the existing po files for 3.4.1. 05/21 RC1 06/04 RC2 06/18 RC3 (optional), can be GA already 06/25 GA - this should be our final target This is a proposal based on the ongoing work that I no. Please let me know if I missed something important. Regular developer builds 1/week + nightly builds Based on feedback and potential changes I will put this in the wiki later. Important is from my pov that we start talking about the improvements that we make in public. It should be very clear for anybody where the real important features and improvement for OpenOffice or derivatives are coming from ;-) Juergen
Branding Refresh For AOO 4.0 [Closing in 72hrs]
Hello AOO Dev and Marketing Community, The main subject of this e-mail is to call for an end date to proposals. In 72hrs (saturday) we will be closing branding proposals. - - - - - I am heading up the branding effort for the AOO 4.0 release and we can unanimously agree the 4.0 release will be a milestone for our community and users. For this special release the marketing team is taking on the effort to giving us a fresh look. The marketing team is starting to plot deadlines at the same time as the dev team, the marketing team can't keep proposing ideas forever, we actually need to do the work to get us there. Specially because some dev efforts require assets from our designers. What does that mean? - We're picking and choosing. Late submissions might not be considered (just the nature of just do it sorry). - Eliminating designs we don't like and smoothing and integrating ones we do like. - In a week from Saturday we will have a master proposal to present for lazy consensus. (at least that's the plan) How can you help? - - - - - - I have design skills! (or I think!) - Check out some guidelines and placements of the branding, see children of this cwiki page: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Apache+OpenOffice+4.0+Brand+Refresh+Project - Go to our wiki and sketch out some ideas here: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+4.x+-+Logo+Explorations - They don't have to be complete or polished ideas, ie. you only have ideas for icons and only have 2 hours to create the proposal, capture the main idea but don't worry about detail. - Join the marketing mailing list to help us with implementing the final design: https://blogs.apache.org/OOo/entry/call_for_marketing_volunteers - I don't have design skills?! - Go to our wiki and help us by commenting on designs, DO NOT reply with comments about design in these mailing lists. - There is about 10 pages and they all could use some feedback in the comments: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Apache+OpenOffice+4.0+Brand+Refresh+Project - I will call for any final discussion on Saturday once the deadline has passed. If you have any concerns about this process reply here. Do not reply to this e-mail to talk about designs! Go to the wiki and add design comments there!
Re: Website Translation Solution Proposal
This is an early investigation, I'm not familiar with Pootle. I will check to see if we can create a process to notify translators when something needs translating, such as their mailing list. In either situation I think we'll be gaining more translations with less overhead work. Its an improvement. Which pages we choose depends on what needs to be completed in each scope. I say we start with a small scope when we do eventually come up with a solution. That way we can go revert if its not working well. We should start with the Why page for this reason. Rob, If locale specific announcements don't happen often we could consider this. We could simply announce content for all locales, a conference in Spain isn't limited to those who read Spanish, or live there. A language release, isn't limited to a country or set of countries, as immigrants to other countries could use it. Am I forgetting any other cases for locale specific announcements? Plus its great PR for all locales to hear we're global. My only concern is if there is multiple locale specific announcements a week, it may get busy looking, but it doesn't seem like its happening now. Samer On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 12:55 PM, Donald Whytock dwhyt...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 12:41 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: 2) Propagating a project wide change across all language subsites and requiring translation, e,g., a project-wide announcement on the home page or a new release that needs to be noted on the download page. Is there a mechanism in place for at least announcing in each supported language that there's significant news in English (translators appreciated)? Don
Re: Sidebar color scheme survey
I like 2A, 2B, 1B in that order. On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 2:06 AM, Shenfeng Liu liush...@gmail.com wrote: 2013/2/8 Rob Weir robw...@apache.org On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 7:20 PM, Kevin Grignon kevingrignon...@gmail.com wrote: KG 01 On Feb 8, 2013, at 6:17 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 4:01 PM, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote: On 29/01/2013 Andre Fischer wrote: I would like to ask you to either look at the mockups at [1] or try the developer builds [2] and tell me what color scheme you like best. We have two votes for A2 at http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/openoffice-progetto-it/201301.mbox/browser to which I'll add mine too. So make it +3 for proposal A2 as listed at http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/AOO_UX_Design_Exploration_-_Task_Pane_Content_Panel_-_User_Interface_Design_Proposals#Task_Pane_Content_Panel_-_UX_Design_propoals A bunch of responses on Facebook as well: https://www.facebook.com/ApacheOO/posts/490670047645797 I asked for a preference and why, so the comments are interesting as well. -Rob Can someone summarize the sentiment on facebook for those of us who cannot access such social media sites. Sorry. It is easy to forget that Facebook is not accessible everywhere. Here is a copy/paste: Tomáš Kebert B2. Gradient would look inconsistent on different platforms, emboss looks oldschool, and so does the dark gray background of titles. Tomáš Kebert On a different note, I think something like apply these setting on the style used would come in handy added to such panel. Martin Schröder i'd vote for proposal 2, but i don't like either of a,b,c. i think b is the most clearly variant, but the groups of buttons should be separated differently (i don't know how...) Shaun Michael Coates Proposal 3 - My eyes easily distinguished content panels with this option. Proposal B - The simple lines as a spliter looks the cleanest. Rob Lewellyn Proposal 3. Nicest contrast! Luis Elizondo B3 is my favorite. B2 it's nice too. Michael Cohen B3 is my pick! It's easy to read and it's separates the buttons nicely. Matthew Nelson B3 BINGO! Mindaugas Baranauskas A3 Francesco Esposito even the toolbar at the top of the same color (gray), the pale blue of Windows is horrible Francesco Esposito A2 or B2 Raffaello Palandri A1 Osvaldo Meloni VERY DIFFICUL diria Tevez ! Ariel Shushan B3 - easiest to read Gonzalo Varela B1 for me. Classy, easy on eyes and clear to read, I avoid bright backgrunds in apps that you spend a lot of time workin on it. Keep it simple please. Cátia Gonçalves B2 So great to have so many feedback! Here is my preference: - B1 for properties panels, which have many buttons and controls. - B3 for panels as clipart and template, which have many pictures. In fact I like all the design options. While existing users' adaption when they upgrade to 4.0, I suggest we start from the normal style in 4.0, and improve gradually per wider feedback after. - Shenfeng (Simon) Thanks, Kevin Regards, Andrea.
Re: $21 million per day
If this is a metric we are interested, we can easily get better ideas of unknowns with polls. Though not scientific, its better to hold up claims we have than nothing. A marketing activity would be to do polls, announce on the download and home page, and announce via social media updates/tweets. An example of a poll. http://micropoll.com/t./KEtFbZQfYy Why do you use Apache OpenOffice? A. I saved money, I would have had to pay for an Office Suite. B. I like this free alternative the most. I wouldn't pay for Office Software. C. I like this free alternative the most. I would pay for Office Software if I had to. How many computers do you have Apache OpenOffice installed on? A. 1-2 B. 3-4 C. 5-9 D. 10+ (Not A)'s generally have to pay for multiple licenses. This gets us closer to cost avoidance, not value provided. But its another metric that is also impressive and has strong wind in companies. Samer On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 1:00 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 12:04 PM, janI j...@apache.org wrote: On 6 February 2013 17:50, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 11:42 AM, janI j...@apache.org wrote: On 6 February 2013 17:33, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 10:45 AM, RA Stehmann anw...@rechtsanwalt-stehmann.de wrote: Am 06.02.2013 14:43, schrieb Rob Weir: Yes, yes, we're a non-profit organization. We don't charge for Apache OpenOffice. We don't pay developers.But we still do produce something of value, and that value can be estimated. People need office productivity software. The main alternative to OpenOffice is Microsoft Office, perhaps the Home and Student edition. The latest version (2013) sells for $139.99 on Amazon. This is for the downloadable version. We have averaged 153K downloads per day of Apace OpenOffice over the last week. That is an average value to the public of $21.5 million per day. Or $7.833 billion (7.833 thousand million) per year. To put that in perspective, here are comparable annual sales figures for some familiar companies: -- Campbell Soup Company: $7.882 billion -- Royal Caribbean Cruises: $7.657 billion -- Mastercard, Inc:$7.391 billion -- OfficeMax:$7.094 billion So we're providing tremendous value to the public. We should be proud of what we've accomplished over the past decade. Note: We could certainly debate the exact value provided to users. Determining what a user would do if they did not get AOO for free is tricky. But the logic above is similar to how the BSA estimates losses to Microsoft from software piracy. They assume that the person who pirates Office would buy it if they did not pirate it. So it seems fair to use that same logic to estimate the value provided to users by a legal free alternative like Apache OpenOffice. Freedom is far to expensive. (I think you have to multiply the download figures, because people have the really used right to share AOO and they have the right to install it on any number of computers.) Of course, Microsoft also has multi-user and multi-PC licenses as well, which sell at a discount to the price of a single-user license. So it is not strictly a multiplication. But it does make our value a little greater. We also have Base and Draw, so we have additional applications than just Home and Business has, but we're not quite Office Professional since we don't have Publisher. But I think the numbers are a good rough estimate. -Rob @Rob. Nice work as usual, digging out these numbers. I think however (along the lines of Dave) that this is realy something the press could use for a good story, and it would be so much better to tell it to the world, instead of just us in here (we already know we provide a great service). I can already see the title how non-profit organisations help goverments and companies save billions to counter the crisis. Any reporter would like that :-) OK. I'll form this into a blog post. just a question, does ASF / AOO never do press releases, I am used to that e.g. a blog post goes hand in hand with a press release. But I am not sure what the politics are in ASF. It depends on what you mean by a press release If you mean a formal press release, submitted to a wire service, that could be done. But those services are not free. At the other end, we have the informal tone of the blog, which sometimes gets notice by the press. In between we can have pages on the website that are in the form of a press release. We did that with the 3.4.0 release, for example: http://www.openoffice.org/news/aoo34.html. That got a lot of coverage, but I suspect the newsworthiness of the topic is more
Re: [PROPOSAL] New Apache OpenOffice 4 logo proposals...
Everyone who was involved with that video: awesome! Totally love the white outline looking icons on solid background. Its an immediate eye catcher for users to know what file type a document is, no matter the size of the icon (think file explorer detail view 16x16). Floating this idea: when you scale the icon down to 16x16, keep the white rounded square and circle on the solid background, but drop the birds if it gets too pixelated? Maybe lessen the character spacing 1-2pxs in the video, they feel a little too far apart first time viewing it. We should avoid using a song currently in rotation by another commercial if possible, just because people might make branding associations or assumptions. If music rights is an issue, there is a lot of creative commons music on newgrounds.com audio portal. If this counts as commercial use, then someone would have to get the artist's okay by private message them. Here are some examples I spent 15 mins browsing, its a big library, need to listen to many: http://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/516336 @ around 2:05 (song climax, soft sound- hard excitement) http://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/496129 @ around 0:56 (lyrics -make you mine tonight.. only you) http://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/516869 @ around 1:18 (popular tune, soft, full remake in (CC) ) Hopefully that was constructive and useful feedback! On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 5:56 AM, Armin Le Grand armin.le.gr...@me.comwrote: s for the continued w
Re: [proposal] Add Symphony gradients
+1, the symphony gradients feel softer, they aren't screaming attention. We might want to offer those for less distraction when they user 'feels' for it. On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 5:30 PM, Marcus (OOo) marcus.m...@wtnet.de wrote: Am 12/18/2012 03:07 PM, schrieb Armin Le Grand: Hi List, when looking at Symphony I saw that there are some much nicer default gradients provided for user's convenience. Our current ones are medium usable (maybe created by developers), but still present in Symphony, too. To easily see what I'm talking about I have created two files: - A Impress doc (http://people.apache.org/~**alg/Gradients/gradients.odphttp://people.apache.org/~alg/Gradients/gradients.odp ) - The same as png (http://people.apache.org/~** alg/Gradients/gradients.pnghttp://people.apache.org/~alg/Gradients/gradients.png ) I propose to do the same as in Symphony: Add the lower symphony ones additionally. It's not much space (in the install set ;-)) and offers much nicer to-go gradients. What do you think? Sincerely Armin -- ALG I like the idea. To have them additionally gives the user a better choice when they look for some more smooth gradients (e.g., compare the AOO white-red-white with a Symphony grey) and more color variants. Marcus
