RE: New Mirror OpenOffice
> -Original Message- > From: Peter Kovacs [mailto:pe...@apache.org] > Sent: Friday, October 09, 2020 11:12 PM > To: dev@openoffice.apache.org > Subject: Re: New Mirror OpenOffice > You have asked for an alternate DL Link. This is the > alternate DL link. Just read what Mathias writes, because that also corresponds to my state of information: "However, this should be used as fallback only..." (Right, Mathias writes this statement about the other link, but it also applies to yours. If this is not true then someone would have to contradict it). > If I were you I would promote both links. Let the user > choose, and tell > the pros and cons if possible. > > IMHO if you are unhappy with SF.net, Please let me be clear: I personally am not dissatisfied with Sourceforge, but I know that there are a lot of normal end users, because there are always queries and that's just because the Sourceforge site is absolutely confusing. > or any other group we should > discuss alternates. I want to remind all PMC members that the PMC has > discussed alternate structures as backup or as full replacement to > SF.net in 2018. It got stuck and as much on the things we > volunteers do, > it did not advance. But stuck does not mean we can not continue, if > there is interest. Ok. > We can also invite SF.net to discuss with our community ways on > improving the situation. Or explain the situation why it is > as it is. We > can bring people together. Just as an alternate Idea. I am satisfied > with the service that SF.net provides to us. > > The PMC has also discussed the Idea to accredit 3rd party > pages. I like that but I did not know anything about it. Now that I have knowledge of this, I would like to say something more comprehensive. For this I have to research some information off-list (takes a few days) and it will depend on the result of this research if I will start a discussion about it here on dev. > But we > never brought this to dev. and I think that's bad, because once again the PMC is secretive about a topic where it is not necessary > The PMC can not do > miracles. This is not what I am criticizing, neither on the current topic here nor on other topics. I criticize that the PMC does not really manage the project. All of us, and the PMC is at the forefront, must feel responsible for our entire project and must understand that project development cannot be left to the random interests of individuals. I repeat myself when I write: Meritocracy must be our living tool for the common work, we must not let meritocracy degenerate into religion. > If there are people interested to > pick this > idea up I am sure we can discuss Ideas. Yes, that is clear and undisputed. However, it is neither possible nor necessary to discuss every topic anew at every time, but there are (imho) topics on which there is relative consensus (through previous discussions or automatically). I personally felt that the offer of serverion.com would be a great opportunity for us and therefore should be treated with some support. That's all. > > In other places the passing of the PMC is regularly viewed > negatively. > > Sure let them talk. I would like to do that. But if I'm alone with it again and again and don't get any support from anyone, it's not a promising approach. greetings, Jörg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: New Mirror OpenOffice
Am 09.10.20 um 11:54 schrieb Jörg Schmidt: -Original Message- From: Peter Kovacs [mailto:pe...@apache.org] Sent: Friday, October 09, 2020 11:36 AM To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: RE: New Mirror OpenOffice Check this link: https://dist.Apache.Org/repos/dist/release/openoffice yes, and what else? This link leads to an Apache server and it has always been communicated that we should not spread these links widely in public, so that there is not too much traffic. In other words this link is a link for situations where there are temporary problems with Sourceforge and not a link that should be distributed as a normal, general download link. Or do I see it wrong? If yes, I would, from now on, publicly distribute this link as a download link and would not refer to our download page anymore, which redirects to Sourceforge. You have asked for an alternate DL Link. This is the alternate DL link. If I were you I would promote both links. Let the user choose, and tell the pros and cons if possible. IMHO if you are unhappy with SF.net, or any other group we should discuss alternates. I want to remind all PMC members that the PMC has discussed alternate structures as backup or as full replacement to SF.net in 2018. It got stuck and as much on the things we volunteers do, it did not advance. But stuck does not mean we can not continue, if there is interest. We can also invite SF.net to discuss with our community ways on improving the situation. Or explain the situation why it is as it is. We can bring people together. Just as an alternate Idea. I am satisfied with the service that SF.net provides to us. The PMC has also discussed the Idea to accredit 3rd party pages. But we never brought this to dev. If there are people interested to pick this idea up I am sure we can discuss Ideas. There are lots of Ideas within the community what we could do. It mostly dies when there is no volunteer to take action. The PMC can not do miracles. We should ask ourselves what we can do together and not what this person or another person should do, for me. Ask yourself what you can do for the Project ;) Even small things can cause a big difference. In other places the passing of the PMC is regularly viewed negatively. Sure let them talk. They do not matter. If they are looking for constructive improvement they can bring up their Issues on dev. Anything else does not matter! - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: New Mirror OpenOffice
Hi Peter, Am 09.10.20 um 11:35 schrieb Peter Kovacs: > Check this link: > https://dist.Apache.Org/repos/dist/release/openoffice Better use: https://downloads.apache.org/openoffice/ However, this should be used as fallback only... Regards, Matthias > > > > Am 9. Oktober 2020 09:48:39 MESZ schrieb "Jörg Schmidt" > : >> Hello Dave, >> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: Dave Fisher [mailto:w...@apache.org] >>> Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2020 8:12 PM >>> To: dev >>> Subject: Re: New Mirror OpenOffice >>> 9 years ago when the project joined it was decided that >>> OpenOffice was too heavy for the mirror system. Until >>> recently we had to let Infra know before we made a release in >>> order to make sure the network was not saturated with rsync requests. >>> >>> If you are interested here is the status of Apache mirrors. >>> https://www.apache.org/mirrors/dist.html >>> >>> The question to ask Infra is if it is time for OpenOffice to >>> be added to the Mirror System. Is the size still an issue? >>> >>> What would be the impact if mirrors could choose to add >>> OpenOffice at their discretion. That is a question for Apache Infra. >> I personally have no knowledge and no insight into the technical side. >> >> I only know that the download via Sourceforge is problematic for many >> users and that we do not offer an alternative. >> Even if this is only a single mirror, it would be a first step to >> create an alternative. >> >>>> We know exactly that we are almost completely dependent on >>> Sourceforge, because beyond Sourceforge we have only one >>> mirror (link I don't know at the moment) whose address is >>> only given in case of emergency and with the hint not to >>> spread the address too far so that the traffic doesn't get too high. >>> >>> I am more concerned about the Extensions and Templates sites >>> that are Drupal sites hosted by Source Forge. >> I know that there are problems there, but I myself capitulate to the >> lack of understanding of what is technically necessary and the (quasi) >> political will to solve certain things in a certain way. >> >> In my opinion it would be a good idea for the extensions to search for >> the best possible technical solution without preconditions and to >> implement it. >> This would be an interesting task, for which I am sure there would be >> volunteers. >> >> Is it worth to have a discussion about it? >> >>>> At OOo we had dozens of Mirrors in the past and why we do >>> not care if one is offered to us I do not understand. >>> >>> It is effort from volunteers to support everything. >>> >>> Where are there more details on serverion.com’s AOO mirror? >> I am not aware of anything else, I only recognize that a generous offer >> has been made to us here, which can be of great benefit to us and which >> we should therefore actively strive to realize. >> >> >> greetings, >> Jörg >> >> >> - >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: New Mirror OpenOffice
Am 09.10.20 um 13:12 schrieb Jörg Schmidt: -Original Message- From: Marcus [mailto:marcus.m...@wtnet.de] Sent: Friday, October 09, 2020 12:36 PM To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: New Mirror OpenOffice Am 09.10.20 um 11:54 schrieb Jörg Schmidt: -Original Message- From: Peter Kovacs [mailto:pe...@apache.org] Sent: Friday, October 09, 2020 11:36 AM To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: RE: New Mirror OpenOffice Check this link: https://dist.Apache.Org/repos/dist/release/openoffice yes, and what else? This link leads to an Apache server and it has always been communicated that we should not spread these links widely in public, so that there is not too much traffic. In other words this link is a link for situations where there are temporary problems with Sourceforge and not a link that should be distributed as a normal, general download link. Or do I see it wrong? If yes, I would, from now on, publicly distribute this link as a download link and would not refer to our download page anymore, which redirects to Sourceforge. sure, there could be problems. But do you know that there are none with other mirrror service? I don't think so. J Yes, but this aspect was not my topic here. (My topic was my uncertainty what is true, either to spread this link as little as possible in public or not). Again, ... Marcus, please be practical: it is not realistic to expect me to write to the ASF within a few hours, but if I do, I will consider the wording of my request a few days in advance. sure, no problem, take your time. I just wanted to express that you can do this yourself and don't need to wait for another person. Marcus - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
RE: New Mirror OpenOffice
> -Original Message- > From: Marcus [mailto:marcus.m...@wtnet.de] > Sent: Friday, October 09, 2020 12:36 PM > To: dev@openoffice.apache.org > Subject: Re: New Mirror OpenOffice > > Am 09.10.20 um 11:54 schrieb Jörg Schmidt: > >> -Original Message- > >> From: Peter Kovacs [mailto:pe...@apache.org] > >> Sent: Friday, October 09, 2020 11:36 AM > >> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org > >> Subject: RE: New Mirror OpenOffice > >> > >> Check this link: > >> https://dist.Apache.Org/repos/dist/release/openoffice > > > > yes, and what else? > > > > This link leads to an Apache server and it has always been > communicated that we should not spread these links widely in > public, so that there is not too much traffic. > > > > In other words this link is a link for situations where > there are temporary problems with Sourceforge and not a link > that should be distributed as a normal, general download link. > > > > Or do I see it wrong? If yes, I would, from now on, > publicly distribute this link as a download link and would > not refer to our download page anymore, which redirects to > Sourceforge. > > sure, there could be problems. But do you know that there are > none with > other mirrror service? I don't think so. J Yes, but this aspect was not my topic here. (My topic was my uncertainty what is true, either to spread this link as little as possible in public or not). > Again, ... Marcus, please be practical: it is not realistic to expect me to write to the ASF within a few hours, but if I do, I will consider the wording of my request a few days in advance. Jörg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: New Mirror OpenOffice
Am 09.10.20 um 11:54 schrieb Jörg Schmidt: -Original Message- From: Peter Kovacs [mailto:pe...@apache.org] Sent: Friday, October 09, 2020 11:36 AM To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: RE: New Mirror OpenOffice Check this link: https://dist.Apache.Org/repos/dist/release/openoffice yes, and what else? This link leads to an Apache server and it has always been communicated that we should not spread these links widely in public, so that there is not too much traffic. In other words this link is a link for situations where there are temporary problems with Sourceforge and not a link that should be distributed as a normal, general download link. Or do I see it wrong? If yes, I would, from now on, publicly distribute this link as a download link and would not refer to our download page anymore, which redirects to Sourceforge. sure, there could be problems. But do you know that there are none with other mirrror service? I don't think so. ;-) Therefore, Sourceforge.net is still our offical download partner. As Dave has commented already there is no certainty that the ASF mirror network can handle our traffic itself. And as long as we have no other statement from ASF Infra there is nothing we can do. Again, when your interest is indeed that big to change something please get in contact with the Infra team for mirrors at "mirr...@apache.org". Help to make your wish come true. Marcus - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
RE: New Mirror OpenOffice
> -Original Message- > From: Peter Kovacs [mailto:pe...@apache.org] > Sent: Friday, October 09, 2020 11:36 AM > To: dev@openoffice.apache.org > Subject: RE: New Mirror OpenOffice > > Check this link: > https://dist.Apache.Org/repos/dist/release/openoffice yes, and what else? This link leads to an Apache server and it has always been communicated that we should not spread these links widely in public, so that there is not too much traffic. In other words this link is a link for situations where there are temporary problems with Sourceforge and not a link that should be distributed as a normal, general download link. Or do I see it wrong? If yes, I would, from now on, publicly distribute this link as a download link and would not refer to our download page anymore, which redirects to Sourceforge. greetings, Jörg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
RE: New Mirror OpenOffice
Check this link: https://dist.Apache.Org/repos/dist/release/openoffice Am 9. Oktober 2020 09:48:39 MESZ schrieb "Jörg Schmidt" : >Hello Dave, > >> -Original Message- >> From: Dave Fisher [mailto:w...@apache.org] >> Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2020 8:12 PM >> To: dev >> Subject: Re: New Mirror OpenOffice > >> 9 years ago when the project joined it was decided that >> OpenOffice was too heavy for the mirror system. Until >> recently we had to let Infra know before we made a release in >> order to make sure the network was not saturated with rsync requests. >> >> If you are interested here is the status of Apache mirrors. >> https://www.apache.org/mirrors/dist.html >> >> The question to ask Infra is if it is time for OpenOffice to >> be added to the Mirror System. Is the size still an issue? >> >> What would be the impact if mirrors could choose to add >> OpenOffice at their discretion. That is a question for Apache Infra. > >I personally have no knowledge and no insight into the technical side. > >I only know that the download via Sourceforge is problematic for many >users and that we do not offer an alternative. >Even if this is only a single mirror, it would be a first step to >create an alternative. > >> > We know exactly that we are almost completely dependent on >> Sourceforge, because beyond Sourceforge we have only one >> mirror (link I don't know at the moment) whose address is >> only given in case of emergency and with the hint not to >> spread the address too far so that the traffic doesn't get too high. >> >> I am more concerned about the Extensions and Templates sites >> that are Drupal sites hosted by Source Forge. > >I know that there are problems there, but I myself capitulate to the >lack of understanding of what is technically necessary and the (quasi) >political will to solve certain things in a certain way. > >In my opinion it would be a good idea for the extensions to search for >the best possible technical solution without preconditions and to >implement it. >This would be an interesting task, for which I am sure there would be >volunteers. > >Is it worth to have a discussion about it? > >> > At OOo we had dozens of Mirrors in the past and why we do >> not care if one is offered to us I do not understand. >> >> It is effort from volunteers to support everything. >> >> Where are there more details on serverion.com’s AOO mirror? > >I am not aware of anything else, I only recognize that a generous offer >has been made to us here, which can be of great benefit to us and which >we should therefore actively strive to realize. > > >greetings, >Jörg > > >- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org >For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
RE: New Mirror OpenOffice
Hello Dave, > -Original Message- > From: Dave Fisher [mailto:w...@apache.org] > Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2020 8:12 PM > To: dev > Subject: Re: New Mirror OpenOffice > 9 years ago when the project joined it was decided that > OpenOffice was too heavy for the mirror system. Until > recently we had to let Infra know before we made a release in > order to make sure the network was not saturated with rsync requests. > > If you are interested here is the status of Apache mirrors. > https://www.apache.org/mirrors/dist.html > > The question to ask Infra is if it is time for OpenOffice to > be added to the Mirror System. Is the size still an issue? > > What would be the impact if mirrors could choose to add > OpenOffice at their discretion. That is a question for Apache Infra. I personally have no knowledge and no insight into the technical side. I only know that the download via Sourceforge is problematic for many users and that we do not offer an alternative. Even if this is only a single mirror, it would be a first step to create an alternative. > > We know exactly that we are almost completely dependent on > Sourceforge, because beyond Sourceforge we have only one > mirror (link I don't know at the moment) whose address is > only given in case of emergency and with the hint not to > spread the address too far so that the traffic doesn't get too high. > > I am more concerned about the Extensions and Templates sites > that are Drupal sites hosted by Source Forge. I know that there are problems there, but I myself capitulate to the lack of understanding of what is technically necessary and the (quasi) political will to solve certain things in a certain way. In my opinion it would be a good idea for the extensions to search for the best possible technical solution without preconditions and to implement it. This would be an interesting task, for which I am sure there would be volunteers. Is it worth to have a discussion about it? > > At OOo we had dozens of Mirrors in the past and why we do > not care if one is offered to us I do not understand. > > It is effort from volunteers to support everything. > > Where are there more details on serverion.com’s AOO mirror? I am not aware of anything else, I only recognize that a generous offer has been made to us here, which can be of great benefit to us and which we should therefore actively strive to realize. greetings, Jörg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: New Mirror OpenOffice
Hi Jörg, > On Oct 8, 2020, at 10:53 AM, Jörg Schmidt wrote: > > > >> -Original Message- >> From: Marcus [mailto:marcus.m...@wtnet.de] >> Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2020 7:28 PM >> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org >> Subject: Re: Fwd: New Mirror OpenOffice >> >> Am 07.10.20 um 10:25 schrieb Jörg Schmidt: -Original Message- From: Marcus [mailto:marcus.m...@wtnet.de] Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2020 12:31 AM To: dev@openoffice.apache.org; Moderator Cc: Desmond van der Winden - Serverion Subject: Re: Fwd: New Mirror OpenOffice Hi Desmond, [...] >>> >>> do you think that we can somehow actively help Desmond to >> get his server registered with Apache? >> >> managing the Apache mirror network is in the hands of Apache. I think >> it's up to the Infra team. >> >> We as project cannot help here. That's the reason why I >> directed Desmond >> to the linked webpage. > > It was important to me to at least offer my personal help with something that > I think is important. > It may be that I find the technical things more difficult than they are, just > some personal support never seems wrong to me. Here are instructions on becoming an ASF Mirror: https://infra.apache.org/how-to-mirror.html > > By the way, I would like to make one more remark: > why am I apparently the only one who thinks that such technical contributions > in kind should be appreciated similarly to donations? Would it not be the > task of our PMC to discuss this question with the ASF? > What I mean is that it would be motivating for serverion.com, and possible > future providers, if their support would be publicly acknowledged. 9 years ago when the project joined it was decided that OpenOffice was too heavy for the mirror system. Until recently we had to let Infra know before we made a release in order to make sure the network was not saturated with rsync requests. If you are interested here is the status of Apache mirrors. https://www.apache.org/mirrors/dist.html The question to ask Infra is if it is time for OpenOffice to be added to the Mirror System. Is the size still an issue? What would be the impact if mirrors could choose to add OpenOffice at their discretion. That is a question for Apache Infra. > > We know exactly that we are almost completely dependent on Sourceforge, > because beyond Sourceforge we have only one mirror (link I don't know at the > moment) whose address is only given in case of emergency and with the hint > not to spread the address too far so that the traffic doesn't get too high. I am more concerned about the Extensions and Templates sites that are Drupal sites hosted by Source Forge. > At OOo we had dozens of Mirrors in the past and why we do not care if one is > offered to us I do not understand. It is effort from volunteers to support everything. Where are there more details on serverion.com’s AOO mirror? Regards, Dave > > > greetings, > Jörg > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
