Re: Application Start Page Question
Hi, First, let me state the obvious. Extended tips are activated - then in the AOO Center hovering mouse over one of the six items (Text document, Spreadsheet etc.) displays an entry from the Help: "The document icons each open a new document of the specified type." AOO Help for Start Center: "(...) You see the Start Center when no document is open in OpenOffice. Click an icon to open a new document or a file dialog. The document icons each open a new document of the specified type. 1. Text Document opens OpenOffice Writer 2. Spreadsheet opens OpenOffice Calc 3. Presentation opens OpenOffice Impress 4. Drawing opens OpenOffice Draw 5. Database opens OpenOffice Base 6. Formula opens OpenOffice Math The Templates icon opens the Templates and Documents dialog. The Open icon presents a file open dialog." I second Jörg's and Matthias' opinions - user comfort (UX) and logic shall prevail. Yet it is true that the Start Center per se does not emphasize in any way the names of components of the Suite. Who reads the AOO Help or activates the extended tips for good? (should the latter become context-sensitive). Just my 2¢. BTW: > > I've read that you don't suggest any changes, but I'd like to point out: > please let's not spend time on menu changes, > in LibreOffice the menu changes are an absolute nuisance, >because you have to search all the time. > >> >>Exactly! Such changes are Downgrades and certainly not an update or upgrade! Based on my experience with LibreOffice, I would call it "a degrade". ;‑) Regards, Czesław Wolański вт, 17 нояб. 2020 г. в 23:11, Dave Fisher : > Here’s how the Documentation project answered my question. > > From https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation on the lower left. > > Frequently Asked Questions > • General Questions > • Installing OpenOffice.org > • Working with Text Documents (Writer) > • Working with Spreadsheets (Calc) > • Working with Drawings (Draw) > • Working with Presentations (Impress) > • Working with Formulae (Math) > • Working with Databases (Base) > • Macros > > > > > On Nov 17, 2020, at 11:37 AM, Dave Fisher wrote: > > > > > > > >> On Nov 17, 2020, at 11:26 AM, Matthias Seidel < > matthias.sei...@hamburg.de> wrote: > >> > >> Hi Dave, > >> > >> Am 17.11.20 um 20:21 schrieb Dave Fisher: > >>> > On Nov 17, 2020, at 11:14 AM, Jörg Schmidt > wrote: > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Dave Fisher [mailto:w...@apache.org] > > Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 7:48 PM > > To: dev > > Subject: Application Start Page Question > > > > I’ve always wondered why the Start page of the Application > > does not match our names for the various components of the Suite? > > > > Writer is Text Document > > Calc is Spreadsheet > > Impress is Presentation > > Draw is Drawing > > Base is Database > > Math is Formula > > > > The “New” menu has the same on the drop down. > > I’m not suggestion change. > But as far as "New" is concerned, the menu is completely called > File-New (and not Window-New) and I find a new file is e.g. a text > document. "Writer" would be the term for a new Writer window, but that > would not correspond to the name of the menu. > This is a possible explanation of the menu, not an explicit defense > of the menu. > >>> Application Window vs. Document type is a good explanation. Thank you. > >> > >> That's also the reason why you see icons for the document type and not > >> for the application. > >> > >> I always found it logical to choose "Text Document", when I wanted to > >> create a text document. ;-) > > > > And on www.openoffice.org/product we have icons next to: > > - [Writer](writer.html "Wordprocessor") a word processor you can use for > >anything from writing a quick letter to producing an entire book. > > - [Calc](calc.html "Spreadsheet") a powerful spreadsheet with all the > tools > >you need to calculate, analyze, and present your data in numerical > reports > >or sizzling graphics. > > - [Impress](impress.html "Presentation program") the fastest, most > powerful > >way to create effective multimedia presentations. > > - [Draw](draw.html "Vector drawing tool") lets you produce everything > from > >simple diagrams to dynamic 3D illustrations. > > - [Base](base.html "Database") lets you manipulate databases seamlessly. > >Create and modify tables, forms, queries, and reports, all from within > >Apache OpenOffice. > > - [Math](math.html "Mathematical function creator") lets you create > >mathematical equations with a graphic user interface or by directly > typing > >your formulas into the equation editor. > > It looks like these descriptions need some editing to more consistently > tie the document type with the window type. > > > > Regards, > > Dave > > > >> > >> Regards, > >> > >> Matthias > >> > >>> > I've read
Re: Application Start Page Question
Here’s how the Documentation project answered my question. From https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation on the lower left. Frequently Asked Questions • General Questions • Installing OpenOffice.org • Working with Text Documents (Writer) • Working with Spreadsheets (Calc) • Working with Drawings (Draw) • Working with Presentations (Impress) • Working with Formulae (Math) • Working with Databases (Base) • Macros > On Nov 17, 2020, at 11:37 AM, Dave Fisher wrote: > > > >> On Nov 17, 2020, at 11:26 AM, Matthias Seidel >> wrote: >> >> Hi Dave, >> >> Am 17.11.20 um 20:21 schrieb Dave Fisher: >>> On Nov 17, 2020, at 11:14 AM, Jörg Schmidt wrote: > -Original Message- > From: Dave Fisher [mailto:w...@apache.org] > Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 7:48 PM > To: dev > Subject: Application Start Page Question > > I’ve always wondered why the Start page of the Application > does not match our names for the various components of the Suite? > > Writer is Text Document > Calc is Spreadsheet > Impress is Presentation > Draw is Drawing > Base is Database > Math is Formula > > The “New” menu has the same on the drop down. > I’m not suggestion change. But as far as "New" is concerned, the menu is completely called File-New (and not Window-New) and I find a new file is e.g. a text document. "Writer" would be the term for a new Writer window, but that would not correspond to the name of the menu. This is a possible explanation of the menu, not an explicit defense of the menu. >>> Application Window vs. Document type is a good explanation. Thank you. >> >> That's also the reason why you see icons for the document type and not >> for the application. >> >> I always found it logical to choose "Text Document", when I wanted to >> create a text document. ;-) > > And on www.openoffice.org/product we have icons next to: > - [Writer](writer.html "Wordprocessor") a word processor you can use for >anything from writing a quick letter to producing an entire book. > - [Calc](calc.html "Spreadsheet") a powerful spreadsheet with all the tools >you need to calculate, analyze, and present your data in numerical reports >or sizzling graphics. > - [Impress](impress.html "Presentation program") the fastest, most powerful >way to create effective multimedia presentations. > - [Draw](draw.html "Vector drawing tool") lets you produce everything from >simple diagrams to dynamic 3D illustrations. > - [Base](base.html "Database") lets you manipulate databases seamlessly. >Create and modify tables, forms, queries, and reports, all from within >Apache OpenOffice. > - [Math](math.html "Mathematical function creator") lets you create >mathematical equations with a graphic user interface or by directly typing >your formulas into the equation editor. > It looks like these descriptions need some editing to more consistently tie > the document type with the window type. > > Regards, > Dave > >> >> Regards, >> >> Matthias >> >>> I've read that you don't suggest any changes, but I'd like to point out: please let's not spend time on menu changes, in LibreOffice the menu changes are an absolute nuisance, because you have to search all the time. >>> Exactly! Such changes are Downgrades and certainly not an update or upgrade! >>> >>> Regards, >>> Dave >>> Jörg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org >>> >>> - >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org >>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org >>> >> >
Re: Application Start Page Question
> On Nov 17, 2020, at 11:26 AM, Matthias Seidel > wrote: > > Hi Dave, > > Am 17.11.20 um 20:21 schrieb Dave Fisher: >> >>> On Nov 17, 2020, at 11:14 AM, Jörg Schmidt wrote: >>> >>> -Original Message- From: Dave Fisher [mailto:w...@apache.org] Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 7:48 PM To: dev Subject: Application Start Page Question I’ve always wondered why the Start page of the Application does not match our names for the various components of the Suite? Writer is Text Document Calc is Spreadsheet Impress is Presentation Draw is Drawing Base is Database Math is Formula The “New” menu has the same on the drop down. I’m not suggestion change. >>> But as far as "New" is concerned, the menu is completely called File-New >>> (and not Window-New) and I find a new file is e.g. a text document. >>> "Writer" would be the term for a new Writer window, but that would not >>> correspond to the name of the menu. >>> This is a possible explanation of the menu, not an explicit defense of the >>> menu. >> Application Window vs. Document type is a good explanation. Thank you. > > That's also the reason why you see icons for the document type and not > for the application. > > I always found it logical to choose "Text Document", when I wanted to > create a text document. ;-) And on www.openoffice.org/product we have icons next to: - [Writer](writer.html "Wordprocessor") a word processor you can use for anything from writing a quick letter to producing an entire book. - [Calc](calc.html "Spreadsheet") a powerful spreadsheet with all the tools you need to calculate, analyze, and present your data in numerical reports or sizzling graphics. - [Impress](impress.html "Presentation program") the fastest, most powerful way to create effective multimedia presentations. - [Draw](draw.html "Vector drawing tool") lets you produce everything from simple diagrams to dynamic 3D illustrations. - [Base](base.html "Database") lets you manipulate databases seamlessly. Create and modify tables, forms, queries, and reports, all from within Apache OpenOffice. - [Math](math.html "Mathematical function creator") lets you create mathematical equations with a graphic user interface or by directly typing your formulas into the equation editor. It looks like these descriptions need some editing to more consistently tie the document type with the window type. Regards, Dave > > Regards, > >Matthias > >> >>> I've read that you don't suggest any changes, but I'd like to point out: >>> please let's not spend time on menu changes, in LibreOffice the menu >>> changes are an absolute nuisance, because you have to search all the time. >> Exactly! Such changes are Downgrades and certainly not an update or upgrade! >> >> Regards, >> Dave >> >>> >>> >>> Jörg >>> >>> >>> - >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org >>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org >>> >> >> - >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org >> >
Re: Application Start Page Question
Hi Dave, Am 17.11.20 um 20:21 schrieb Dave Fisher: > >> On Nov 17, 2020, at 11:14 AM, Jörg Schmidt wrote: >> >> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: Dave Fisher [mailto:w...@apache.org] >>> Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 7:48 PM >>> To: dev >>> Subject: Application Start Page Question >>> >>> I’ve always wondered why the Start page of the Application >>> does not match our names for the various components of the Suite? >>> >>> Writer is Text Document >>> Calc is Spreadsheet >>> Impress is Presentation >>> Draw is Drawing >>> Base is Database >>> Math is Formula >>> >>> The “New” menu has the same on the drop down. >>> I’m not suggestion change. >> But as far as "New" is concerned, the menu is completely called File-New >> (and not Window-New) and I find a new file is e.g. a text document. "Writer" >> would be the term for a new Writer window, but that would not correspond to >> the name of the menu. >> This is a possible explanation of the menu, not an explicit defense of the >> menu. > Application Window vs. Document type is a good explanation. Thank you. That's also the reason why you see icons for the document type and not for the application. I always found it logical to choose "Text Document", when I wanted to create a text document. ;-) Regards, Matthias > >> I've read that you don't suggest any changes, but I'd like to point out: >> please let's not spend time on menu changes, in LibreOffice the menu changes >> are an absolute nuisance, because you have to search all the time. > Exactly! Such changes are Downgrades and certainly not an update or upgrade! > > Regards, > Dave > >> >> >> Jörg >> >> >> - >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org >> > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: Application Start Page Question
> On Nov 17, 2020, at 11:14 AM, Jörg Schmidt wrote: > > >> -Original Message- >> From: Dave Fisher [mailto:w...@apache.org] >> Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 7:48 PM >> To: dev >> Subject: Application Start Page Question >> >> I’ve always wondered why the Start page of the Application >> does not match our names for the various components of the Suite? >> >> Writer is Text Document >> Calc is Spreadsheet >> Impress is Presentation >> Draw is Drawing >> Base is Database >> Math is Formula >> >> The “New” menu has the same on the drop down. > >> I’m not suggestion change. > > But as far as "New" is concerned, the menu is completely called File-New (and > not Window-New) and I find a new file is e.g. a text document. "Writer" would > be the term for a new Writer window, but that would not correspond to the > name of the menu. > This is a possible explanation of the menu, not an explicit defense of the > menu. Application Window vs. Document type is a good explanation. Thank you. > > I've read that you don't suggest any changes, but I'd like to point out: > please let's not spend time on menu changes, in LibreOffice the menu changes > are an absolute nuisance, because you have to search all the time. Exactly! Such changes are Downgrades and certainly not an update or upgrade! Regards, Dave > > > > Jörg > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
RE: Application Start Page Question
> -Original Message- > From: Dave Fisher [mailto:w...@apache.org] > Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 7:48 PM > To: dev > Subject: Application Start Page Question > > I’ve always wondered why the Start page of the Application > does not match our names for the various components of the Suite? > > Writer is Text Document > Calc is Spreadsheet > Impress is Presentation > Draw is Drawing > Base is Database > Math is Formula > > The “New” menu has the same on the drop down. > I’m not suggestion change. But as far as "New" is concerned, the menu is completely called File-New (and not Window-New) and I find a new file is e.g. a text document. "Writer" would be the term for a new Writer window, but that would not correspond to the name of the menu. This is a possible explanation of the menu, not an explicit defense of the menu. I've read that you don't suggest any changes, but I'd like to point out: please let's not spend time on menu changes, in LibreOffice the menu changes are an absolute nuisance, because you have to search all the time. Jörg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
