Re: [dev] OpenOffice.org Developer Article Contest Rules - First Draft

[Ian Laurenson]

My apologies for not making comments sooner.

Some time ago I was asked if I would be willing to be one of the judges
for this competition and said "yes" without really thinking about the
ramifications of the competition.

A prize can be an incentive to encourage people but if not carefully
thought through can also be a disincentive.

My concerns are as follows:

 * Old articles not being included could disappoint people that have
worked long and hard on the project.

 * By requiring it to be a separate article is actively discouraging
people from using the more collaborative approach of the wiki.

 * Possibly the focus on documentation is too narrow.

My preference would be to have a site where people could be nominated
and voted on by registered OOo people for services rendered to the OOo
community.

As areas are identified by the community council as needing more input
the prize for that month could be targeted to being for a particular
type of service to the community.

Thanks, Ian


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Re: [dev] RE: wiki

[Ian Laurenson]

Hi Stephen & Frank,
Thanks for testing the code syntax highlighting in the wiki and
providing feedback.  Reply in-line.

On Wed, 2005-11-16 at 17:09 +0100, Stephan Bergmann wrote:
> Frank Schönheit - Sun Microsystems Germany wrote:
[snip]
> > According to [1], User "iannz" (is this you?) installed this extension.
> > It seems to work fine, see for instance [2].
> 
> But the colors are really ugly!  See 
> : 

Agreed! 

> seemingly arbitrary use of turquoise in C++ code, and strange green 
> parentheses in C code.  Can somebody fix that?
> 
If someone suggests a color scheme then I can implement it. I have added
some info to:
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Twiki2mediawiki_TODO_list#CodeSyntaxHighlight_MediaWiki_Extension

> -Stephan
> 
> > Now, since I would assume that a lot of Basic examples will be written
> > down in the Wiki, is it possible to somehow have the proper coloring for
> > StarBasic? Currently, you must use "[vb]" which results in quite
> > ugly :) coloring, and inconsistent with what the user knows from the
> > Basic IDE ...

The code for StarBasic is [oobas] (I have changed it to allow
starbasic as an alternative).

The colors are now closer to the default colors used in the IDE but I
can't work out the logic of some of the colors in the IDE. For example,
why is "for" blue but "msgbox" green?

Thanks again for the feedback - Ian


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[dev] Wiki - Namespaces?

[Ian Laurenson]

Do we want to have namespaces for the wiki:
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Main_Page

For info on name spaces see:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Namespace#Custom_namespaces

http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Custom_namespaces

For example should we have a namespace for Extensions?

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Re: [dev] RE: wiki

[Ian Laurenson]

On Mon, 2005-11-14 at 21:11 +0100, Stefan Taxhet wrote:
> Hi Ian,
[snipped my suggestions for code highlighting in MediaWiki]

> Would you like to try this out? Let us know...

I have tried it on a local install of MediaWiki. I am always happy to
help in whatever way I can.

> There should be more than one MediaWiki installation remaining from our 
> first steps...
> 
> Greetings
> Stefan
> 
Thanks, Ian



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Re: [dev] RE: wiki

[Ian Laurenson]

Great news that the wiki is running!
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Main_Page

Is it be possible to have the CodeSyntaxHighlight MediaWiki Extension?
http://mercury.it.swin.edu.au/swinbrain/index.php/CodeSyntaxHighlight_MediaWiki_Extension

The line in the code starting "$cshLanguages = array" should include
'oobas' (possibly other languages should be included/excluded but this
is the one that I most want). People may also have views about the
remapping towards the end of the code.

Which requires the GeSHi - Generic Syntax Highlighter:
http://qbnz.com/highlighter/

It is, apparently, possible to have links automatically generated to
documentation but I haven't yet looked into this in detail. This would
require some modification to the GeSHi code.

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Re: [dev] openoffice.org wiki

[Ian Laurenson]

Has it been decided to convert to MediaWiki?

What are the current issues?

Thanks, Ian



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Re: [dev] openoffice.org wiki

[Ian Laurenson]

On Thu, 2005-10-27 at 16:05 +0200, David Fraser wrote:
> Ian Laurenson wrote:
[snip]

> >What I'm proposing is having the files stored in Open Document Format
> >and using Writer as the browser/editor of the information. While I don't
> >have all the details thought through - I think it an idea worth
> >investigating/discussing.
> >
> I'd rather have something as full-featured as MediaWiki up and running 
> as a centralized wiki for OpenOffice.org straight away than wait for a 
> new system like this.

Agreed!

> It may be better to then write a plugin to MediaWiki to allow Writer to 
> edit the files and send them back but surely most OOo people have a web 
> browser? I don't understand what makes using Writer better than using 
> the Wiki editor

Compared to the full featured editing environment that Writer provides a
Wiki editor is crude. Please don't get me wrong, I like wikis and am
strongly in favour of them, that is why I started the wiki on writing
OOo extensions: ext.openoffice.org.nz. It is just that I see the Open
Document Format as being an opportunity to dramatically improve the
usability of interactive web content.

I haven't investigated writing plugins for MediaWiki. I think it would
would be easy to modify my DokuWiki macro to produce the somewhat crude
text file format for MediaWiki:
http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/hillview/OOo/  

Agreed, all OOo users/developers will have a browser, and all computer
users don't have OpenOffice. But, all OOo developers will have OOo and
this makes it an ideal place to experiment with using the Open Document
format as a standard for interactive web content for things like wikis.

Ian


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Re: [dev] openoffice.org wiki

[Ian Laurenson]

On Wed, 2005-10-26 at 09:34 -0700, Michael Leibowitz wrote:
> On Wed, 2005-10-26 at 16:04 +0200, Stefan Taxhet wrote:
[snip]
> > TWiki topics are in textfiles. If there is an import...
> 
> I have found a perl script at:
> http://blogs.bl0rg.net/neingeist/archives/000554.html
> 
> It appears to need a little love.  The migrated result will likely
> require a good bit of manual poking to get just right.

>From my quick look at the code, to import/export to/from Media Wiki
would require scripts with the appropriate SQL commands (obvious when
you have enough time to think). So if those scripts were written
(adapted) then my concerns about being able to use Writer for
manipulating the text would be allayed.

Ian


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Re: [dev] openoffice.org wiki

[Ian Laurenson]

On Wed, 2005-10-26 at 22:17 +0200, Laurent Godard wrote:
> Hi Ian
> 
> > My preference would be to have a 'wiki' based on the Open Document
> > Format. That way we could use Writer directly to edit the files.
> >
> 
> perharps someting can be done with caolan's first shoot on blOoog
> http://blogs.linux.ie/caolan/2005/10/06/ooo-blogger/

If I understand the ooo-blogger code correctly it uses OOo's ability to
create html files and posts the html to the blog site. Thus the blog can
be read by any browser.

What I'm proposing is having the files stored in Open Document Format
and using Writer as the browser/editor of the information. While I don't
have all the details thought through - I think it an idea worth
investigating/discussing.

Ian


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Re: [dev] openoffice.org wiki

[Ian Laurenson]

On Wed, 2005-10-26 at 16:04 +0200, Stefan Taxhet wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> michael meeks wrote:
> > On Wed, 2005-10-26 at 10:44 +0200, Martin Hollmichel wrote:
[snip]
> >>3. how to migrate the existent data of the current wiki to the new 
> >>instance ?
> > 
> > Migrating the existing content is ~easy enough; and I can volenteer
> > some typing action there; I'd suggest simple cut/paste of the existing
> > developer content with some (manual?) re-formatting.
> 
> TWiki topics are in textfiles. If there is an import...
> 
I am working on converting the extensions wiki in Dokuwiki format to
twiki format. This is comparatively easy as I can read the Dokuwiki text
files into Writer, run a macro that writes out twiki text files. In my
quick look of Mediawiki I can't see how to import files into Mediawiki -
am I missing something?

Similarly if we want to create printed documentation from Mediawiki how
can we easily get a wiki space into Writer?

My preference would be to have a 'wiki' based on the Open Document
Format. That way we could use Writer directly to edit the files.

I am working on another project for the next 12 hours so will respond
with more detail after that.

[remainder snipped]

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Re: [dev] TreeListBox access via UNO

[Ian Laurenson]

On Mon, 2005-10-24 at 10:15 +0200, Laurent Godard wrote:
>On Mon, 2005-10-24 at 09:57 +0200, Florian Reuter wrote:
> > I found that there is a UnoControlListBoxModel service available. I 
> > wonder whether a service for TreeListBoxModel is available via the SDK?
> >
> 
> what do you mean with tree list box ?
> a Tree view displaying nodes and childs ?
> 
> if yes, no that i'm aware of
> But it would be really great
> 
> it is imho the only one that is missing

Hi Florian,
Great to met you at Koper!
Like Laurent I haven't been able to find one, and a tree control would
be great to have.

I have crudely implemented one in Basic, see OutlineCrossRef.sxw
available from http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/hillview/OOo/

Thanks, Ian



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Re: [dev] 2 questions - Find and replace and DataSet events

[Ian Laurenson]

On Fri, 2005-08-05 at 10:48 -0300, Luiz Siqueira wrote:
> Have some way to find a blank cell in a range using
> “find and replace panel”?
For an example of a routine for finding blank cells in a range see
IannzGotoSpecial.sxc available from:
http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/hillview/OOo/

or if you wish to collaborate on improving it:
http://ext.openoffice.org.nz/doku.php?id=collaboration:iannzgotospecial

but you may want to have a look at the home page about the wiki in
general:
http://ext.openoffice.org.nz/doku.php



> Have some way to associate a database event like
> “before load” for all documents that use this source
> to a “macro”? ( I'm thinking in some like a central
> event DataSet)

Haven't looked into this I'm sorry.

Thanks, Ian


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Re: [dev] Non-modal dialogs was Adding Menu command to "File" menu & Creating toolbar dropdowns.

[Ian Laurenson]

On Tue, 2005-03-29 at 19:33, Carsten Driesner wrote:
[snip]
> > Is the non-modal dialog "dockable" like the Navigator?

> No, this is not easily possible with OOo 2.0. It's on our list for the 
> next version. Currently only toolbars can be docked and internal docking 
> windows (developed using internal sfx2 base classes).

I see that a number of interfaces have been defined (status unpublished)
and at least one service implemented (?) for floating / docked windows
as per the 1.9.77 SDK:
http://ext.openoffice.org.nz/doku.php?id=ref:com:sun:star:awt:xdockablewindow
http://ext.openoffice.org.nz/doku.php?id=ref:drafts:com:sun:star:ui:modulewindowstateconfiguration

Would it be worthwhile to try and write my own component for a floating
/ docked window? If so, I may need some help.
Is there any projection of when an "official" component will be written?

My reason behind wanting this, comparatively urgently, is that I could
drastically improve my existing macros such as IannzFindReplace,
OutlineCrossRef, and RevealCodes, as well as implement new macros such
as an integrated grammar checker.

Thanks, Ian


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Re: [dev] Which regular expresson engine does OOo use?

[Ian Laurenson]

Thanks Eike!

On Wed, 2005-04-13 at 22:21, Eike Rathke wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 13, 2005 at 21:09:27 +1200, Ian Laurenson wrote:
> > Which regular expression engine does OOo use?
> 
> A slighty modified version of a glibc regex. Modified in the sense that
> it works on UCS2 encoding and takes the transliteration modules provided
> by the i18n framework into account. See module regexp.


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[dev] Which regular expresson engine does OOo use?

[Ian Laurenson]

Which regular expression engine does OOo use?

I felt sure that I had seen this mentioned somewhere before, but on
searching I can't find the answer.
I am giving a presentation next week, and it would be nice to have this
information.

Thanks, Ian


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Re: [dev] Non-modal dialogs was Adding Menu command to "File" menu & Creating toolbar dropdowns.

[Ian Laurenson]

On Tue, 2005-03-29 at 19:12, Laurent Godard wrote:
> Hi Ian
> > I would really like to know how you created a non-modal dialog. Is it
> > possible to see the code?
> 
> It is tricky ...
> 
> Basically
> set the dialog visible property to true
> set listeners
> set a boolean global variable endDialog
> loop infinetely
> 
> gobal stopMe
> sub start
> stopMe=false
> 'LoadMydialog
> mydialog.visible = true
> while not stopMe
>wait 20 'avoid 100% cpu load
> wend
> mydialog.visible = false  
> end sub
> 
> sub button_stop
>stopMe = true
> end sub
> 
Neat trick! Thanks!

> > Is the non-modal dialog "dockable" like the Navigator?
> > 
> 
> Unfortunatally, i didn't manage to do it :(
> 
> Hope this helps
> 
> Laurent

Thanks too to Mathias and Carsten knowing that it is not yet possible
will save me time trying to do the impossible :-).

Thanks, Ian


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[dev] Non-modal dialogs was Adding Menu command to "File" menu & Creating toolbar dropdowns.

[Ian Laurenson]

Hi Laurent,

On Mon, 2005-03-28 at 21:32, Laurent Godard wrote: 
> I personnaly designed a non-modal dialog containing the lists of the 
> styles i want to apply (ore actions to perform). A double-click affects 
>   the current selection (even if multiple)

I would really like to know how you created a non-modal dialog. Is it
possible to see the code?

Is the non-modal dialog "dockable" like the Navigator?

I have a number of a open sourced macros that could be greatly improved
through the use of non-modal dialogs, particularly if they are dockable.

Thanks, Ian


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Re: [dev] How to find the Calc code that assesses the number input and assigns number format?

[Ian Laurenson]

On Wed, 2005-02-02 at 22:15, Niklas Nebel wrote:
> Ian Laurenson wrote:
> > It would be really useful if I could look at the relevant source code
> > for identifying the input to a cell to be of a certain type and for then
> > assigning a number format.
> 
> If you're referring to issue 22345, that change was in 
> ScColumn::SetString, file sc/source/core/data/column3.cxx (look for a 
> comment #i22345#). It was a rather limited change to solve one specific 
> problem. The specification is a bit verbose in relation to that, the 
> feature announcement 
> (http://sc.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=features&msgNo=155) 
> contains all there is to it.
> 
> The actual work of determining if the input is a number is in 
> SvNumberFormatter::IsNumberFormat and the methods it calls. There have 
> only been some changes regarding date input there.

Excellent - thanks!

Thanks, Ian


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[dev] How to find the Calc code that assesses the number input and assigns number format?

[Ian Laurenson]

As part of the OOoAuthors team I am trying to document the new number
recognition behaviour in Calc for the 2.0 code line.

It would be really useful if I could look at the relevant source code
for identifying the input to a cell to be of a certain type and for then
assigning a number format. I am having difficulty navigating my way
through the code to find the portion that I need (I'm sorry that I am so
thick).

I have a very slow internet connection (33k) and haven't yet downloaded
the source code for 1.9.74 (I do have 1.1.0 but this is too old). I am
aware of http://ooo.ximian.com/lxr/ so should be able to see the
relevant code there if I knew where to look.

Please could someone point me in the right direction for finding the
code which shows the logic for assessing the type of input in Calc and
then for assigning the number format.

My apologies is this is the wrong mailing list for this question.

Thanks, Ian Laurenson


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