[OSM-dev] Using Google Street View Player with my own panoramic images
Can any legal experts help me out? I'm using Google's Street View player to look at panoramic images that I've taken, and would now like to update the OSM database to reflect what I see (stores, fire hydrants, etc.) The Street View Player is not explicitly spelled out in the terms of service: http://www.google.com/intl/en-US_US/help/terms_maps.html Obviously, we can't use Google Street Views themselves (the images) nor the map data, so would there be any problem using the player to make a local database from non-Google panoramic images? In particular, under *1. Use of the Products*. Google grants you a non-exclusive, non-transferable license to access the Google Maps service, to download and use the Google Earth software and service, and to access the Content (as defined below) within the Products and according to the Terms. *2. Restrictions on Use*. ... (g) use the Products to create a database of places or other local listings information. Products seem to refer to the map contents, not the player to view images. But wanted to run it by someone with more expertise before I start making OSM edits based on pictures I've taken being viewed in Google's Street View Player. KRPano makes a panoramic image viewer, but needs WebGL to run as HTML5, otherwise it uses Flash, which I'd prefer to avoid. Any other suggestions on an alternative player, should it be necessary? Thanks, Tac ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] Using Google Street View Player with my own panoramic images
On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 7:33 AM, Tac Tacelosky tac...@gmail.com wrote: Can any legal experts help me out? I'm using Google's Street View player to look at panoramic images that I've taken, and would now like to update the OSM database to reflect what I see (stores, fire hydrants, etc.) The Street View Player is not explicitly spelled out in the terms of service: http://www.google.com/intl/en-US_US/help/terms_maps.html Obviously, we can't use Google Street Views themselves (the images) nor the map data, so would there be any problem using the player to make a local database from non-Google panoramic images? In particular, under *1. Use of the Products*. Google grants you a non-exclusive, non-transferable license to access the Google Maps service, to download and use the Google Earth software and service, and to access the Content (as defined below) within the Products and according to the Terms. *2. Restrictions on Use*. ... (g) use the Products to create a database of places or other local listings information. Products seem to refer to the map contents, not the player to view images. But wanted to run it by someone with more expertise before I start making OSM edits based on pictures I've taken being viewed in Google's Street View Player. KRPano makes a panoramic image viewer, but needs WebGL to run as HTML5, otherwise it uses Flash, which I'd prefer to avoid. Any other suggestions on an alternative player, should it be necessary? Dear Tac, What did Google say when you asked them? And what did your lawyer say? That quote from 2(g) seems pretty clear. ~Don't do it. If you want to argue that, ~Don't do it doesn't apply because of a special condition in your case; well, then you are making that argument. But that would be an argument. Perhaps a legal argument. Perhaps an expensive legal argument. :-) From an abundance of caution, I'd not use the Google software for the purposes of OpenStreetMap, without the consent of Google (and OSMF). But that's me. So why don't you ask them? If I remember correctly, several OpenStreetMap contributors have built their own similar camera rigs in past. Why not join your experiences with theirs, contribute to their Open Source efforts and build a completely open stack? You could still sell your hardware into that market after helping to launch that market with an open stack. ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] Using Google Street View Player with my own panoramic images
Hi, On 17 May 2013 13:33, Tac Tacelosky tac...@gmail.com wrote: Can any legal experts help me out? I'm using Google's Street View player to look at panoramic images that I've taken, and would now like to update the OSM database to reflect what I see (stores, fire hydrants, etc.) The Street View Player is not explicitly spelled out in the terms of service: http://www.google.com/intl/en-US_US/help/terms_maps.html Obviously, we can't use Google Street Views themselves (the images) nor the map data, so would there be any problem using the player to make a local database from non-Google panoramic images? In particular, under 1. Use of the Products. Google grants you a non-exclusive, non-transferable license to access the Google Maps service, to download and use the Google Earth software and service, and to access the Content (as defined below) within the Products and according to the Terms. 2. Restrictions on Use. ... (g) use the Products to create a database of places or other local listings information. Products seem to refer to the map contents, not the player to view images. But wanted to run it by someone with more expertise before I start making OSM edits based on pictures I've taken being viewed in Google's Street View Player. KRPano makes a panoramic image viewer, but needs WebGL to run as HTML5, otherwise it uses Flash, which I'd prefer to avoid. Any other suggestions on an alternative player, should it be necessary? Nick Whitelegg's OpenTrailView (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OpenTrailView) had developed a simple javascript library for browsing free panoramas but it's not as smooth as Google's. Writing one using either canvas of WebGL shouldn't be too difficult. As for Google's library, you could check the headers of the javasciprt sources for a license information. If there's nothing there and the Google Maps TOU say nothing (as you argument) then you can't really assume any license other than all rights reserved and should ask Google about it. Cheers ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] Using Google Street View Player with my own panoramic images
I'm no legal expert but Products and Content is defined by Google: By downloading, installing, or using the Google Earth software, accessing or using the Google Maps service (together, the Products or Services), or accessing or using any of the content available within the Products... To me, the viewer is a product and therefore is bound by the rules in the terms of use. In any case, isn't the StreetView viewer Flash? Firefox claims it is when I force quit the plugin-container process. If this is the case then why not use KRPano? Regards, Rob ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] Using Google Street View Player with my own panoramic images
There must be some situations where the streetview player comes up in Flash, but the tool that Google provides is javascript. An older version of our product supported a Flash-based view that had a different tiling system, which required us to render all the tiles twice. Except for the OSM community, everyone want to see it in the Google street view player. It's fast and easy. Still, I'd like to offer something that can be used to update the OSM database, and am trying to find a solution. One of our developers is trying to change the viewer to use Leaflet for the panoramic tiles. Unfortunately, it doesn't appear that Leaflet supports scaled zooming, so images would always be a exact zoom levels, not fractional zoom levels. We may end up trying KRPano as well, but I don't know if it gives us all the events we need. Thanks, Tac On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 12:16 PM, Rob Nickerson rob.j.nicker...@gmail.comwrote: I'm no legal expert but Products and Content is defined by Google: By downloading, installing, or using the Google Earth software, accessing or using the Google Maps service (together, the Products or Services), or accessing or using any of the content available within the Products... To me, the viewer is a product and therefore is bound by the rules in the terms of use. In any case, isn't the StreetView viewer Flash? Firefox claims it is when I force quit the plugin-container process. If this is the case then why not use KRPano? Regards, Rob ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
