[josm-dev] Endless bugfixing (was: Plugins not working with 3094 and Linux ?)

2010-03-10 Thread Sebastian Klein
Dirk Stöcker wrote:
 JOSM should be a bit more stable, but I also don't like to wait 
 endless. JAVA6 will come end of month latest and JAVA5 users will 
 have to live with the version we have by then. Would be nice if the
 plugin issues and some other serious stuff can be fixed till then. If
 there are really bigger issues and users of JAVA5 have no other
 chance, then a bug-fix branch can be made if a maintainer for it can
 be found (which I doubt).
 
 If we have a very stable version tomorrow, then JAVA6 can come friday
  :-)

We are fixing bugs for 2 months now, so time can't be the issue. We have
to clearly identify the bugs that need to be fixed, then just do it and
move on. The new stuff is probably piling up in the local repositories,
this stagnation is quite annoying.

So i can partly understand why Karl pushed out [3102] but it introduced
a couple of bugs and there may be more to come. Do we really need this
right now?

And Dirk, you do the final decisions, so could you please be a little 
more verbose and clearly state what you think needs to be fixed? 
Especially if deadlines are missed, a status update wouldn't hurt.

Happy coding :)

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Re: [josm-dev] Endless bugfixing (was: Plugins not working with 3094 and Linux ?)

2010-03-10 Thread Karl Guggisberg
Hi

I'm only aware of one defect related to 3102 (Sebastian, you've reported 
it today) and this one
is fixed. What other defects related 3102 are you referring to?  
Actually 3102 has been
*fixing* four defects (or closing two tickets and fixing two unreported 
defects).
I've added a warning when I checked in 3102 because I knew that there 
was some
risk but from my interpretation JOSM is currently exactly in the phase 
where these risks are taken.

My interpreation was that a tested was  pushed out (~ a week ago it 
appeared on the JOSM home page) and that JOSM started
another of JOSMs traditional cylces. If the question is whether we 
really need this right now, then my intrpretation would be:
yes,that's exactly how people have been working on JOSM in the past. 
 From my point of view JOSM  would
currently focus on  new features and larger reworks before another 
stabilization phase  towards the end of such a cycle.

I don't like the traditional approach of JOSM developoment enough to 
advocate it, though. I'd be
happy if things changed. From todays emails I learned about the 
following plan:
* there is yet another tested planned for end of this month latest, 
perhaps for next friday
* it's going to be the long announced last tested for Java 5

Regards
Karl


Am 10.03.2010 19:00, schrieb Sebastian Klein:
 Dirk Stöcker wrote:

 JOSM should be a bit more stable, but I also don't like to wait
 endless. JAVA6 will come end of month latest and JAVA5 users will
 have to live with the version we have by then. Would be nice if the
 plugin issues and some other serious stuff can be fixed till then. If
 there are really bigger issues and users of JAVA5 have no other
 chance, then a bug-fix branch can be made if a maintainer for it can
 be found (which I doubt).

 If we have a very stable version tomorrow, then JAVA6 can come friday
   :-)
  
 We are fixing bugs for 2 months now, so time can't be the issue. We have
 to clearly identify the bugs that need to be fixed, then just do it and
 move on. The new stuff is probably piling up in the local repositories,
 this stagnation is quite annoying.

 So i can partly understand why Karl pushed out [3102] but it introduced
 a couple of bugs and there may be more to come. Do we really need this
 right now?

 And Dirk, you do the final decisions, so could you please be a little
 more verbose and clearly state what you think needs to be fixed?
 Especially if deadlines are missed, a status update wouldn't hurt.

 Happy coding :)

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