RE: Approaching the European Commission for some help?

[Strljic, Matthias Milan]

Hi Julian,

jep so typical sizes:
Aif is a more restricted funding but with faster approval times.

Aif/ZIM: 1 SME + 1 Research or SME (6 - 9 Months)
Aif/Coop(forgot the name): 2 SME + 2 Research (6 - 9 Months)
KMU Innovativ: 1 - 3 SME + 1 Research (9 - 12 Months)
BMBF/BMWI Call (Call of project required): 4 - 12 SME + 1-3 Research (12 - 18 
Months)

Matthias Strljic, M.Sc.

Universität Stuttgart
Institut für Steuerungstechnik der Werkzeugmaschinen und 
Fertigungseinrichtungen (ISW)

Seidenstraße 36
70174 Stuttgart
GERMANY

Tel: +49 711 685-84530
Fax: +49 711 685-74530

E-Mail: matthias.strl...@isw.uni-stuttgart.de
Web: http://www.isw.uni-stuttgart.de

-Original Message-
From: Julian Feinauer  
Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2019 5:53 PM
To: dev@plc4x.apache.org
Subject: AW: Approaching the European Commission for some help?

Hi Matthias,

Very fair point. Perhaps we could start with a smaller project and something 
like kmu innovativ or so and slowly design the *big *one in the mean time.

I guess it would be good to have one or two kmus like Bjorn or us, cc and also 
one or more associated partners (+ universities).

Matthias, do you know if there is a limit with the project size or volume as 
Markus also started his interest.

Julian

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 Ursprüngliche Nachricht 
Betreff: RE: Approaching the European Commission for some help?
Von: "Strljic, Matthias Milan"
An: dev@plc4x.apache.org
Cc:

I would be happy if we could push these ideas forward and combine some ideas 
into a research roadmap and implement projects with different volumes.

Like Aif/Zim, BMBF (KMU Innovativ or CfP) or BMWi. Some of these projects also 
make it possible to involve some international partners via 
EUREKA(https://www.eurekanetwork.org/in-your-country ), which would increase 
the probability of a positive result.

Greetings
Matthias Strljic, M.Sc.

Universität Stuttgart
Institut für Steuerungstechnik der Werkzeugmaschinen und 
Fertigungseinrichtungen (ISW)

Seidenstraße 36
70174 Stuttgart
GERMANY

Tel: +49 711 685-84530
Fax: +49 711 685-74530

E-Mail: matthias.strl...@isw.uni-stuttgart.de
Web: http://www.isw.uni-stuttgart.de

-Original Message-
From: Strljic, Matthias Milan 
Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2019 5:37 PM
To: dev@plc4x.apache.org
Subject: RE: Approaching the European Commission for some help?

Haha i try to show more presence <3

Matthias Strljic, M.Sc.

Universität Stuttgart
Institut für Steuerungstechnik der Werkzeugmaschinen und 
Fertigungseinrichtungen (ISW)

Seidenstraße 36
70174 Stuttgart
GERMANY

Tel: +49 711 685-84530
Fax: +49 711 685-74530

E-Mail: matthias.strl...@isw.uni-stuttgart.de
Web: http://www.isw.uni-stuttgart.de

-Original Message-
From: Julian Feinauer 
Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2019 5:05 PM
To: dev@plc4x.apache.org
Subject: Re: Approaching the European Commission for some help?

Hi, Andreas,

yes, of course : )
And regarding Universities we have some here on the list

- Matthias Strljic from ISW, Uni Stuttgart (but usually in stealth mode here... 
:P)
- Björn Höper who studied at WZL, Uni Aachen (and he still has good contacts 
there)

And also I will contact the OvGU in Magdeburg where we have good contacts to 
the IFQ.
All three institutes named here are working with Machines, Machine integration 
and all that shopfloor stuff.

But of course, if there are also other contacts, we should use them!

Julian

Am 07.05.19, 16:48 schrieb "Christofer Dutz" :

Anyone that can help is good ;-)

Outlook für Android herunterladen


From: Andreas Oswald 
Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2019 4:45:08 PM
To: dev@plc4x.apache.org
Subject: Re: Approaching the European Commission for some help?

Hi, all,

I also like the idea, a friend of mine works for the EU, he is working on 
smart city projects which also have quite a bit in common with Industry 4.0. 
Should I contact him and ask him if he has some ideas how a project like PLC4X 
might be supported by the EU?
Another idea might be to contact universities. While organizing the talk of 
Chris at EuregJUG Maas-Rhine we got some contacts to RWTH Aachen. What do you 
think?

Andreas

> Am 07.05.2019 um 14:13 schrieb Christofer Dutz 
:
>
> Hi all,
>
> while attending the EU FOSSA2 Hackathon in Brussles last weekend I had 
the chance to talk with some guys from the European Comission and they really 
liked how we are enabling small and mid-sized companies to participate in the 
Industry 4.0 sector.
> They also promised to help us where they can.
>
> While this is usually just something people say to be nice … some further 
thinking lead me to the idea that we might approach them and ask for some 
options for EU funded research.
>
> I guess we all work for some company (or are self employed) … we could 
try to apply for some funds in as a collective.
>
> You think that’s a good idea?

AW: Approaching the European Commission for some help?

[Julian Feinauer]

Hi Matthias,

Very fair point. Perhaps we could start with a smaller project and something 
like kmu innovativ or so and slowly design the *big *one in the mean time.

I guess it would be good to have one or two kmus like Bjorn or us, cc and also 
one or more associated partners (+ universities).

Matthias, do you know if there is a limit with the project size or volume as 
Markus also started his interest.

Julian

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 Ursprüngliche Nachricht 
Betreff: RE: Approaching the European Commission for some help?
Von: "Strljic, Matthias Milan"
An: dev@plc4x.apache.org
Cc:

I would be happy if we could push these ideas forward and combine some ideas 
into a research roadmap and implement projects with different volumes.

Like Aif/Zim, BMBF (KMU Innovativ or CfP) or BMWi. Some of these projects also 
make it possible to involve some international partners via 
EUREKA(https://www.eurekanetwork.org/in-your-country ), which would increase 
the probability of a positive result.

Greetings
Matthias Strljic, M.Sc.

Universität Stuttgart
Institut für Steuerungstechnik der Werkzeugmaschinen und 
Fertigungseinrichtungen (ISW)

Seidenstraße 36
70174 Stuttgart
GERMANY

Tel: +49 711 685-84530
Fax: +49 711 685-74530

E-Mail: matthias.strl...@isw.uni-stuttgart.de
Web: http://www.isw.uni-stuttgart.de

-Original Message-
From: Strljic, Matthias Milan 
Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2019 5:37 PM
To: dev@plc4x.apache.org
Subject: RE: Approaching the European Commission for some help?

Haha i try to show more presence <3

Matthias Strljic, M.Sc.

Universität Stuttgart
Institut für Steuerungstechnik der Werkzeugmaschinen und 
Fertigungseinrichtungen (ISW)

Seidenstraße 36
70174 Stuttgart
GERMANY

Tel: +49 711 685-84530
Fax: +49 711 685-74530

E-Mail: matthias.strl...@isw.uni-stuttgart.de
Web: http://www.isw.uni-stuttgart.de

-Original Message-
From: Julian Feinauer 
Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2019 5:05 PM
To: dev@plc4x.apache.org
Subject: Re: Approaching the European Commission for some help?

Hi, Andreas,

yes, of course : )
And regarding Universities we have some here on the list

- Matthias Strljic from ISW, Uni Stuttgart (but usually in stealth mode here... 
:P)
- Björn Höper who studied at WZL, Uni Aachen (and he still has good contacts 
there)

And also I will contact the OvGU in Magdeburg where we have good contacts to 
the IFQ.
All three institutes named here are working with Machines, Machine integration 
and all that shopfloor stuff.

But of course, if there are also other contacts, we should use them!

Julian

Am 07.05.19, 16:48 schrieb "Christofer Dutz" :

Anyone that can help is good ;-)

Outlook für Android herunterladen


From: Andreas Oswald 
Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2019 4:45:08 PM
To: dev@plc4x.apache.org
Subject: Re: Approaching the European Commission for some help?

Hi, all,

I also like the idea, a friend of mine works for the EU, he is working on 
smart city projects which also have quite a bit in common with Industry 4.0. 
Should I contact him and ask him if he has some ideas how a project like PLC4X 
might be supported by the EU?
Another idea might be to contact universities. While organizing the talk of 
Chris at EuregJUG Maas-Rhine we got some contacts to RWTH Aachen. What do you 
think?

Andreas

> Am 07.05.2019 um 14:13 schrieb Christofer Dutz 
:
>
> Hi all,
>
> while attending the EU FOSSA2 Hackathon in Brussles last weekend I had 
the chance to talk with some guys from the European Comission and they really 
liked how we are enabling small and mid-sized companies to participate in the 
Industry 4.0 sector.
> They also promised to help us where they can.
>
> While this is usually just something people say to be nice … some further 
thinking lead me to the idea that we might approach them and ask for some 
options for EU funded research.
>
> I guess we all work for some company (or are self employed) … we could 
try to apply for some funds in as a collective.
>
> You think that’s a good idea?
>
> Chris

RE: Approaching the European Commission for some help?

[Strljic, Matthias Milan]

I would be happy if we could push these ideas forward and combine some ideas 
into a research roadmap and implement projects with different volumes.

Like Aif/Zim, BMBF (KMU Innovativ or CfP) or BMWi. Some of these projects also 
make it possible to involve some international partners via 
EUREKA(https://www.eurekanetwork.org/in-your-country ), which would increase 
the probability of a positive result.

Greetings
Matthias Strljic, M.Sc.

Universität Stuttgart
Institut für Steuerungstechnik der Werkzeugmaschinen und 
Fertigungseinrichtungen (ISW)

Seidenstraße 36
70174 Stuttgart
GERMANY

Tel: +49 711 685-84530
Fax: +49 711 685-74530

E-Mail: matthias.strl...@isw.uni-stuttgart.de
Web: http://www.isw.uni-stuttgart.de

-Original Message-
From: Strljic, Matthias Milan  
Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2019 5:37 PM
To: dev@plc4x.apache.org
Subject: RE: Approaching the European Commission for some help?

Haha i try to show more presence <3

Matthias Strljic, M.Sc.

Universität Stuttgart
Institut für Steuerungstechnik der Werkzeugmaschinen und 
Fertigungseinrichtungen (ISW)

Seidenstraße 36
70174 Stuttgart
GERMANY

Tel: +49 711 685-84530
Fax: +49 711 685-74530

E-Mail: matthias.strl...@isw.uni-stuttgart.de
Web: http://www.isw.uni-stuttgart.de

-Original Message-
From: Julian Feinauer  
Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2019 5:05 PM
To: dev@plc4x.apache.org
Subject: Re: Approaching the European Commission for some help?

Hi, Andreas,

yes, of course : )
And regarding Universities we have some here on the list

- Matthias Strljic from ISW, Uni Stuttgart (but usually in stealth mode here... 
:P)
- Björn Höper who studied at WZL, Uni Aachen (and he still has good contacts 
there)

And also I will contact the OvGU in Magdeburg where we have good contacts to 
the IFQ.
All three institutes named here are working with Machines, Machine integration 
and all that shopfloor stuff.

But of course, if there are also other contacts, we should use them!

Julian

Am 07.05.19, 16:48 schrieb "Christofer Dutz" :

Anyone that can help is good ;-)

Outlook für Android herunterladen


From: Andreas Oswald 
Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2019 4:45:08 PM
To: dev@plc4x.apache.org
Subject: Re: Approaching the European Commission for some help?

Hi, all,

I also like the idea, a friend of mine works for the EU, he is working on 
smart city projects which also have quite a bit in common with Industry 4.0. 
Should I contact him and ask him if he has some ideas how a project like PLC4X 
might be supported by the EU?
Another idea might be to contact universities. While organizing the talk of 
Chris at EuregJUG Maas-Rhine we got some contacts to RWTH Aachen. What do you 
think?

Andreas

> Am 07.05.2019 um 14:13 schrieb Christofer Dutz 
:
>
> Hi all,
>
> while attending the EU FOSSA2 Hackathon in Brussles last weekend I had 
the chance to talk with some guys from the European Comission and they really 
liked how we are enabling small and mid-sized companies to participate in the 
Industry 4.0 sector.
> They also promised to help us where they can.
>
> While this is usually just something people say to be nice … some further 
thinking lead me to the idea that we might approach them and ask for some 
options for EU funded research.
>
> I guess we all work for some company (or are self employed) … we could 
try to apply for some funds in as a collective.
>
> You think that’s a good idea?
>
> Chris

RE: Approaching the European Commission for some help?

[Strljic, Matthias Milan]

Haha i try to show more presence <3

Matthias Strljic, M.Sc.

Universität Stuttgart
Institut für Steuerungstechnik der Werkzeugmaschinen und 
Fertigungseinrichtungen (ISW)

Seidenstraße 36
70174 Stuttgart
GERMANY

Tel: +49 711 685-84530
Fax: +49 711 685-74530

E-Mail: matthias.strl...@isw.uni-stuttgart.de
Web: http://www.isw.uni-stuttgart.de

-Original Message-
From: Julian Feinauer  
Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2019 5:05 PM
To: dev@plc4x.apache.org
Subject: Re: Approaching the European Commission for some help?

Hi, Andreas,

yes, of course : )
And regarding Universities we have some here on the list

- Matthias Strljic from ISW, Uni Stuttgart (but usually in stealth mode here... 
:P)
- Björn Höper who studied at WZL, Uni Aachen (and he still has good contacts 
there)

And also I will contact the OvGU in Magdeburg where we have good contacts to 
the IFQ.
All three institutes named here are working with Machines, Machine integration 
and all that shopfloor stuff.

But of course, if there are also other contacts, we should use them!

Julian

Am 07.05.19, 16:48 schrieb "Christofer Dutz" :

Anyone that can help is good ;-)

Outlook für Android herunterladen


From: Andreas Oswald 
Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2019 4:45:08 PM
To: dev@plc4x.apache.org
Subject: Re: Approaching the European Commission for some help?

Hi, all,

I also like the idea, a friend of mine works for the EU, he is working on 
smart city projects which also have quite a bit in common with Industry 4.0. 
Should I contact him and ask him if he has some ideas how a project like PLC4X 
might be supported by the EU?
Another idea might be to contact universities. While organizing the talk of 
Chris at EuregJUG Maas-Rhine we got some contacts to RWTH Aachen. What do you 
think?

Andreas

> Am 07.05.2019 um 14:13 schrieb Christofer Dutz 
:
>
> Hi all,
>
> while attending the EU FOSSA2 Hackathon in Brussles last weekend I had 
the chance to talk with some guys from the European Comission and they really 
liked how we are enabling small and mid-sized companies to participate in the 
Industry 4.0 sector.
> They also promised to help us where they can.
>
> While this is usually just something people say to be nice … some further 
thinking lead me to the idea that we might approach them and ask for some 
options for EU funded research.
>
> I guess we all work for some company (or are self employed) … we could 
try to apply for some funds in as a collective.
>
> You think that’s a good idea?
>
> Chris

RE: Approaching the European Commission for some help?

[Strljic, Matthias Milan]

Hi Chris,

i like the idea and would happily support it. 
But for me is the acquiring process just  to slow and clunky for a project like 
PLC4X.
I just see it with a small research project like the SFSC with Julian. It just 
takes over 1 Year from an idea to project start and that is just BMBF KMU.
So if we want to make there a project it should have long term perspective then 
to carry an idea from now to implementation. 

But ISW of University of Stuttgart is in (so me xD) and we like Aachen so +1 
for that :D

Greetings 
Matthias Strljic, M.Sc.

Universität Stuttgart
Institut für Steuerungstechnik der Werkzeugmaschinen und 
Fertigungseinrichtungen (ISW)

Seidenstraße 36
70174 Stuttgart
GERMANY

Tel: +49 711 685-84530
Fax: +49 711 685-74530

E-Mail: matthias.strl...@isw.uni-stuttgart.de
Web: http://www.isw.uni-stuttgart.de

-Original Message-
From: Christofer Dutz  
Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2019 2:13 PM
To: dev@plc4x.apache.org
Subject: Approaching the European Commission for some help?

Hi all,

while attending the EU FOSSA2 Hackathon in Brussles last weekend I had the 
chance to talk with some guys from the European Comission and they really liked 
how we are enabling small and mid-sized companies to participate in the 
Industry 4.0 sector.
They also promised to help us where they can.

While this is usually just something people say to be nice … some further 
thinking lead me to the idea that we might approach them and ask for some 
options for EU funded research.

I guess we all work for some company (or are self employed) … we could try to 
apply for some funds in as a collective.

You think that’s a good idea?

Chris

Re: Approaching the European Commission for some help?

[Julian Feinauer]

Hi, Andreas,

yes, of course : )
And regarding Universities we have some here on the list

- Matthias Strljic from ISW, Uni Stuttgart (but usually in stealth mode here... 
:P)
- Björn Höper who studied at WZL, Uni Aachen (and he still has good contacts 
there)

And also I will contact the OvGU in Magdeburg where we have good contacts to 
the IFQ.
All three institutes named here are working with Machines, Machine integration 
and all that shopfloor stuff.

But of course, if there are also other contacts, we should use them!

Julian

Am 07.05.19, 16:48 schrieb "Christofer Dutz" :

Anyone that can help is good ;-)

Outlook für Android herunterladen


From: Andreas Oswald 
Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2019 4:45:08 PM
To: dev@plc4x.apache.org
Subject: Re: Approaching the European Commission for some help?

Hi, all,

I also like the idea, a friend of mine works for the EU, he is working on 
smart city projects which also have quite a bit in common with Industry 4.0. 
Should I contact him and ask him if he has some ideas how a project like PLC4X 
might be supported by the EU?
Another idea might be to contact universities. While organizing the talk of 
Chris at EuregJUG Maas-Rhine we got some contacts to RWTH Aachen. What do you 
think?

Andreas

> Am 07.05.2019 um 14:13 schrieb Christofer Dutz 
:
>
> Hi all,
>
> while attending the EU FOSSA2 Hackathon in Brussles last weekend I had 
the chance to talk with some guys from the European Comission and they really 
liked how we are enabling small and mid-sized companies to participate in the 
Industry 4.0 sector.
> They also promised to help us where they can.
>
> While this is usually just something people say to be nice … some further 
thinking lead me to the idea that we might approach them and ask for some 
options for EU funded research.
>
> I guess we all work for some company (or are self employed) … we could 
try to apply for some funds in as a collective.
>
> You think that’s a good idea?
>
> Chris

AW: Approaching the European Commission for some help?

[Bjoern Hoeper]

I would definitely appreciate such an effort. I have participated in two EU 
founded projects during my time at university and they always provided quite 
good results. Nevertheless most of them are really big...like the whole PLC4X 
project is the size of a single workpackage in such a project (if it is Horizon 
2020 or something alike)

Björn
-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: Christofer Dutz  
Gesendet: Dienstag, 7. Mai 2019 14:13
An: dev@plc4x.apache.org
Betreff: Approaching the European Commission for some help?

Hi all,

while attending the EU FOSSA2 Hackathon in Brussles last weekend I had the 
chance to talk with some guys from the European Comission and they really liked 
how we are enabling small and mid-sized companies to participate in the 
Industry 4.0 sector.
They also promised to help us where they can.

While this is usually just something people say to be nice … some further 
thinking lead me to the idea that we might approach them and ask for some 
options for EU funded research.

I guess we all work for some company (or are self employed) … we could try to 
apply for some funds in as a collective.

You think that’s a good idea?

Chris

Re: Approaching the European Commission for some help?

[Christofer Dutz]

Anyone that can help is good ;-)

Outlook für Android herunterladen


From: Andreas Oswald 
Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2019 4:45:08 PM
To: dev@plc4x.apache.org
Subject: Re: Approaching the European Commission for some help?

Hi, all,

I also like the idea, a friend of mine works for the EU, he is working on smart 
city projects which also have quite a bit in common with Industry 4.0. Should I 
contact him and ask him if he has some ideas how a project like PLC4X might be 
supported by the EU?
Another idea might be to contact universities. While organizing the talk of 
Chris at EuregJUG Maas-Rhine we got some contacts to RWTH Aachen. What do you 
think?

Andreas

> Am 07.05.2019 um 14:13 schrieb Christofer Dutz :
>
> Hi all,
>
> while attending the EU FOSSA2 Hackathon in Brussles last weekend I had the 
> chance to talk with some guys from the European Comission and they really 
> liked how we are enabling small and mid-sized companies to participate in the 
> Industry 4.0 sector.
> They also promised to help us where they can.
>
> While this is usually just something people say to be nice … some further 
> thinking lead me to the idea that we might approach them and ask for some 
> options for EU funded research.
>
> I guess we all work for some company (or are self employed) … we could try to 
> apply for some funds in as a collective.
>
> You think that’s a good idea?
>
> Chris

Re: Approaching the European Commission for some help?

[Andreas Oswald]

Hi, all, 

I also like the idea, a friend of mine works for the EU, he is working on smart 
city projects which also have quite a bit in common with Industry 4.0. Should I 
contact him and ask him if he has some ideas how a project like PLC4X might be 
supported by the EU? 
Another idea might be to contact universities. While organizing the talk of 
Chris at EuregJUG Maas-Rhine we got some contacts to RWTH Aachen. What do you 
think? 

Andreas

> Am 07.05.2019 um 14:13 schrieb Christofer Dutz :
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> while attending the EU FOSSA2 Hackathon in Brussles last weekend I had the 
> chance to talk with some guys from the European Comission and they really 
> liked how we are enabling small and mid-sized companies to participate in the 
> Industry 4.0 sector.
> They also promised to help us where they can.
> 
> While this is usually just something people say to be nice … some further 
> thinking lead me to the idea that we might approach them and ask for some 
> options for EU funded research.
> 
> I guess we all work for some company (or are self employed) … we could try to 
> apply for some funds in as a collective.
> 
> You think that’s a good idea?
> 
> Chris

Re: Approaching the European Commission for some help?

[Julian Feinauer]

Usually it should be the germans taking the 2 years because they make it REALLY 
well engineered... :D

Am 07.05.19, 15:30 schrieb "l...@code-house.org" :

You can count me in. :-) My 10 years old freelancing business 
(code-house.org ), and our micro ltd/gmbg 
(connectorio.com ) which is few months old are, all 
are deeply interested in moving these things forward.

Making better use of software to integrate hardware and machinery is very 
interesting perspective which we will definitely explore - with EU help or 
without (yes, it will take us 2+ years to make first PR ;-)).

Cheers,
Łukasz

> On 7 May 2019, at 15:00, Christofer Dutz  
wrote:
> 
> Hehe,
> 
> if Lukasz joins in, we'll have multiple countries ;-)
> 
> Chris
> 
> 
> 
> Am 07.05.19, 14:53 schrieb "Markus Sommer" :
> 
>Hey Chris,
> 
>I agree with Julian, the EU projects are mostly bigger. Also several 
EU countries have to participate in the EU projects.
> 
>I think the idea is good, now I have to clarify the boundary 
conditions and build up the successful project setup (university, end user 
etc.). 
> 
>We currently have a German project funded by the BMBF and in September 
we will carry out our first EU-funded project with 5-6 EU states on the topic 
of offline debugging of neural networks and online validation of self-learning 
systems in production.
> 
>We would also participate.
> 
>Markus
> 
>Freundliche Grüße
> 
>Markus Sommer
>Geschäftsführer
> 
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> 
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> 
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> 
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>-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
>Von: Julian Feinauer  
>Gesendet: Dienstag, 7. Mai 2019 14:28
>An: dev@plc4x.apache.org
>Betreff: Re: Approaching the European Commission for some help?
> 
>Hi Chris,
> 
>I like the idea and in fact, as stated earlier on the list, there is a 
project funded by the german government (SFSC) together with Matthias Institute 
where we plan to do some PLC4X development and integration.
>The EU founded projects are usually larger but also harder to acquire, 
so it will be a LOT of paperwork, but could be worth it if we make a nice 
proposal and outline a really feasible solution (not only covering plc4x but 
also some "end-user-usable" thing, or so).
>And, we should gather several "assoziated" partners which explain 
their interest in what we want to do.
> 
>And of course good university support. So perhaps the ISW (Matthias) 
and also the WZL Aachen (Björn has good contacts) and the IFQ Magdeburg (we 
have good contacts) could be good universitary partners for such a project.
> 
>So pragmatic minds or pragmatic industries would be in, I guess.
> 
>Julian
> 
>Am 07.05.19, 14:23 schrieb "Christofer Dutz" 
:
> 
>Hi all,
> 
>while attending the EU FOSSA2 Hackathon in Brussles last weekend I 
had the chance to talk with some guys from the European Comission and they 
really liked how we are enabling small and mid-sized companies to participate 
in the Industry 4.0 sector.
>They also promised to help us where they can.
> 
>While this is usually just something people say to be nice … some 
further thinking lead me to the idea that we might approach them and ask for 
some options for EU funded research.
> 
>I guess we all work for some company (or are self employed) … we 
could try to apply for some funds in as a collective.
> 
>You think that’s a good idea?
> 
>Chris
> 
> 
> 
> 

Re: Approaching the European Commission for some help?

[luke]

You can count me in. :-) My 10 years old freelancing business (code-house.org 
), and our micro ltd/gmbg (connectorio.com 
) which is few months old are, all are deeply 
interested in moving these things forward.

Making better use of software to integrate hardware and machinery is very 
interesting perspective which we will definitely explore - with EU help or 
without (yes, it will take us 2+ years to make first PR ;-)).

Cheers,
Łukasz

> On 7 May 2019, at 15:00, Christofer Dutz  wrote:
> 
> Hehe,
> 
> if Lukasz joins in, we'll have multiple countries ;-)
> 
> Chris
> 
> 
> 
> Am 07.05.19, 14:53 schrieb "Markus Sommer" :
> 
>Hey Chris,
> 
>I agree with Julian, the EU projects are mostly bigger. Also several EU 
> countries have to participate in the EU projects.
> 
>I think the idea is good, now I have to clarify the boundary conditions 
> and build up the successful project setup (university, end user etc.). 
> 
>We currently have a German project funded by the BMBF and in September we 
> will carry out our first EU-funded project with 5-6 EU states on the topic of 
> offline debugging of neural networks and online validation of self-learning 
> systems in production.
> 
>We would also participate.
> 
>Markus
> 
>Freundliche Grüße
> 
>Markus Sommer
>Geschäftsführer
> 
>isb innovative software businesses GmbH
>Otto-Lilienthal-Strasse 2
>D - 88046 Friedrichshafen
> 
>Tel.:+49 (0) 7541 3834-14
>Mob:  +49 (0) 171 537 8437
>Fax: +49 (0) 7541 3834-20
>E-Mail: som...@isb-fn.de
>Web: www.isb-fn.de 
> 
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> 
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> 
>-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
>Von: Julian Feinauer  
>Gesendet: Dienstag, 7. Mai 2019 14:28
>An: dev@plc4x.apache.org
>Betreff: Re: Approaching the European Commission for some help?
> 
>Hi Chris,
> 
>I like the idea and in fact, as stated earlier on the list, there is a 
> project funded by the german government (SFSC) together with Matthias 
> Institute where we plan to do some PLC4X development and integration.
>The EU founded projects are usually larger but also harder to acquire, so 
> it will be a LOT of paperwork, but could be worth it if we make a nice 
> proposal and outline a really feasible solution (not only covering plc4x but 
> also some "end-user-usable" thing, or so).
>And, we should gather several "assoziated" partners which explain their 
> interest in what we want to do.
> 
>And of course good university support. So perhaps the ISW (Matthias) and 
> also the WZL Aachen (Björn has good contacts) and the IFQ Magdeburg (we have 
> good contacts) could be good universitary partners for such a project.
> 
>So pragmatic minds or pragmatic industries would be in, I guess.
> 
>Julian
> 
>Am 07.05.19, 14:23 schrieb "Christofer Dutz" :
> 
>Hi all,
> 
>while attending the EU FOSSA2 Hackathon in Brussles last weekend I had 
> the chance to talk with some guys from the European Comission and they really 
> liked how we are enabling small and mid-sized companies to participate in the 
> Industry 4.0 sector.
>They also promised to help us where they can.
> 
>While this is usually just something people say to be nice … some 
> further thinking lead me to the idea that we might approach them and ask for 
> some options for EU funded research.
> 
>I guess we all work for some company (or are self employed) … we could 
> try to apply for some funds in as a collective.
> 
>You think that’s a good idea?
> 
>Chris
> 
> 
> 
> 

Re: Approaching the European Commission for some help?

[Julian Feinauer]

Well... just because you are allowed to join the European Song Contest youre 
not automatically a Member of the EU :D

Am 07.05.19, 15:09 schrieb "Justin Mclean" :

Hi,

Don’t forget about the AU? :-)

Justin

AW: Approaching the European Commission for some help?

[Markus Sommer]

The more requirements (also not written down) are fulfilled, the higher the 
chance of funding. The requirements are usually stated in a personal interview 
with the funding agency.

Note: If we submit an application today, we will not be able to start until 9 
months. 9 months is already fast.

In the end you have to acquire a funding project like a customer project.

Freundliche Grüße

Markus Sommer
Geschäftsführer

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D - 88046 Friedrichshafen

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-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: Julian Feinauer  
Gesendet: Dienstag, 7. Mai 2019 15:04
An: dev@plc4x.apache.org
Betreff: Re: Approaching the European Commission for some help?

But yes, Markus is right, that’s a requirement or at least important to have.
So perhaps we could also think about other people cooperating from somewhere 
else in the EU.

Am 07.05.19, 15:00 schrieb "Christofer Dutz" :

Hehe,

if Lukasz joins in, we'll have multiple countries ;-)

Chris



Am 07.05.19, 14:53 schrieb "Markus Sommer" :

Hey Chris,

I agree with Julian, the EU projects are mostly bigger. Also several EU 
countries have to participate in the EU projects.

I think the idea is good, now I have to clarify the boundary conditions 
and build up the successful project setup (university, end user etc.). 

We currently have a German project funded by the BMBF and in September 
we will carry out our first EU-funded project with 5-6 EU states on the topic 
of offline debugging of neural networks and online validation of self-learning 
systems in production.

We would also participate.

Markus

Freundliche Grüße

Markus Sommer
Geschäftsführer

isb innovative software businesses GmbH
Otto-Lilienthal-Strasse 2
D - 88046 Friedrichshafen

Tel.:+49 (0) 7541 3834-14
Mob:  +49 (0) 171 537 8437
Fax: +49 (0) 7541 3834-20
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-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: Julian Feinauer  
Gesendet: Dienstag, 7. Mai 2019 14:28
An: dev@plc4x.apache.org
Betreff: Re: Approaching the European Commission for some help?

Hi Chris,

I like the idea and in fact, as stated earlier on the list, there is a 
project funded by the german government (SFSC) together with Matthias Institute 
where we plan to do some PLC4X development and integration.
The EU founded projects are usually larger but also harder to acquire, 
so it will be a LOT of paperwork, but could be worth it if we make a nice 
proposal and outline a really feasible solution (not only covering plc4x but 
also some "end-user-usable" thing, or so).
And, we should gather several "assoziated" partners which explain their 
interest in what we want to do.

And of course good university support. So perhaps the ISW (Matthias) 
and also the WZL Aachen (Björn has good contacts) and the IFQ Magdeburg (we 
have good contacts) could be good universitary partners for such a project.

So pragmatic minds or pragmatic industries would be in, I guess.

Julian

Am 07.05.19, 14:23 schrieb "Christofer Dutz" 
:

Hi all,

while attending the EU FOSSA2 Hackathon in 

Re: Approaching the European Commission for some help?

[Justin Mclean]

Hi,

Don’t forget about the AU? :-)

Justin

Re: Approaching the European Commission for some help?

[Julian Feinauer]

But yes, Markus is right, that’s a requirement or at least important to have.
So perhaps we could also think about other people cooperating from somewhere 
else in the EU.

Am 07.05.19, 15:00 schrieb "Christofer Dutz" :

Hehe,

if Lukasz joins in, we'll have multiple countries ;-)

Chris



Am 07.05.19, 14:53 schrieb "Markus Sommer" :

Hey Chris,

I agree with Julian, the EU projects are mostly bigger. Also several EU 
countries have to participate in the EU projects.

I think the idea is good, now I have to clarify the boundary conditions 
and build up the successful project setup (university, end user etc.). 

We currently have a German project funded by the BMBF and in September 
we will carry out our first EU-funded project with 5-6 EU states on the topic 
of offline debugging of neural networks and online validation of self-learning 
systems in production.

We would also participate.

Markus

Freundliche Grüße

Markus Sommer
Geschäftsführer

isb innovative software businesses GmbH
Otto-Lilienthal-Strasse 2
D - 88046 Friedrichshafen

Tel.:+49 (0) 7541 3834-14
Mob:  +49 (0) 171 537 8437
Fax: +49 (0) 7541 3834-20
E-Mail: som...@isb-fn.de
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-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: Julian Feinauer  
Gesendet: Dienstag, 7. Mai 2019 14:28
An: dev@plc4x.apache.org
Betreff: Re: Approaching the European Commission for some help?

Hi Chris,

I like the idea and in fact, as stated earlier on the list, there is a 
project funded by the german government (SFSC) together with Matthias Institute 
where we plan to do some PLC4X development and integration.
The EU founded projects are usually larger but also harder to acquire, 
so it will be a LOT of paperwork, but could be worth it if we make a nice 
proposal and outline a really feasible solution (not only covering plc4x but 
also some "end-user-usable" thing, or so).
And, we should gather several "assoziated" partners which explain their 
interest in what we want to do.

And of course good university support. So perhaps the ISW (Matthias) 
and also the WZL Aachen (Björn has good contacts) and the IFQ Magdeburg (we 
have good contacts) could be good universitary partners for such a project.

So pragmatic minds or pragmatic industries would be in, I guess.

Julian

Am 07.05.19, 14:23 schrieb "Christofer Dutz" 
:

Hi all,

while attending the EU FOSSA2 Hackathon in Brussles last weekend I 
had the chance to talk with some guys from the European Comission and they 
really liked how we are enabling small and mid-sized companies to participate 
in the Industry 4.0 sector.
They also promised to help us where they can.

While this is usually just something people say to be nice … some 
further thinking lead me to the idea that we might approach them and ask for 
some options for EU funded research.

I guess we all work for some company (or are self employed) … we 
could try to apply for some funds in as a collective.

You think that’s a good idea?

Chris

Re: Approaching the European Commission for some help?

[Christofer Dutz]

Hehe,

if Lukasz joins in, we'll have multiple countries ;-)

Chris



Am 07.05.19, 14:53 schrieb "Markus Sommer" :

Hey Chris,

I agree with Julian, the EU projects are mostly bigger. Also several EU 
countries have to participate in the EU projects.

I think the idea is good, now I have to clarify the boundary conditions and 
build up the successful project setup (university, end user etc.). 

We currently have a German project funded by the BMBF and in September we 
will carry out our first EU-funded project with 5-6 EU states on the topic of 
offline debugging of neural networks and online validation of self-learning 
systems in production.

We would also participate.

Markus

Freundliche Grüße

Markus Sommer
Geschäftsführer

isb innovative software businesses GmbH
Otto-Lilienthal-Strasse 2
D - 88046 Friedrichshafen

Tel.:+49 (0) 7541 3834-14
Mob:  +49 (0) 171 537 8437
Fax: +49 (0) 7541 3834-20
E-Mail: som...@isb-fn.de
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-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: Julian Feinauer  
Gesendet: Dienstag, 7. Mai 2019 14:28
An: dev@plc4x.apache.org
Betreff: Re: Approaching the European Commission for some help?

Hi Chris,

I like the idea and in fact, as stated earlier on the list, there is a 
project funded by the german government (SFSC) together with Matthias Institute 
where we plan to do some PLC4X development and integration.
The EU founded projects are usually larger but also harder to acquire, so 
it will be a LOT of paperwork, but could be worth it if we make a nice proposal 
and outline a really feasible solution (not only covering plc4x but also some 
"end-user-usable" thing, or so).
And, we should gather several "assoziated" partners which explain their 
interest in what we want to do.

And of course good university support. So perhaps the ISW (Matthias) and 
also the WZL Aachen (Björn has good contacts) and the IFQ Magdeburg (we have 
good contacts) could be good universitary partners for such a project.

So pragmatic minds or pragmatic industries would be in, I guess.

Julian

Am 07.05.19, 14:23 schrieb "Christofer Dutz" :

Hi all,

while attending the EU FOSSA2 Hackathon in Brussles last weekend I had 
the chance to talk with some guys from the European Comission and they really 
liked how we are enabling small and mid-sized companies to participate in the 
Industry 4.0 sector.
They also promised to help us where they can.

While this is usually just something people say to be nice … some 
further thinking lead me to the idea that we might approach them and ask for 
some options for EU funded research.

I guess we all work for some company (or are self employed) … we could 
try to apply for some funds in as a collective.

You think that’s a good idea?

Chris

AW: Approaching the European Commission for some help?

[Markus Sommer]

Hey Chris,

I agree with Julian, the EU projects are mostly bigger. Also several EU 
countries have to participate in the EU projects.

I think the idea is good, now I have to clarify the boundary conditions and 
build up the successful project setup (university, end user etc.). 

We currently have a German project funded by the BMBF and in September we will 
carry out our first EU-funded project with 5-6 EU states on the topic of 
offline debugging of neural networks and online validation of self-learning 
systems in production.

We would also participate.

Markus

Freundliche Grüße

Markus Sommer
Geschäftsführer

isb innovative software businesses GmbH
Otto-Lilienthal-Strasse 2
D - 88046 Friedrichshafen

Tel.:    +49 (0) 7541 3834-14
Mob:  +49 (0) 171 537 8437
Fax: +49 (0) 7541 3834-20
E-Mail: som...@isb-fn.de
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-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: Julian Feinauer  
Gesendet: Dienstag, 7. Mai 2019 14:28
An: dev@plc4x.apache.org
Betreff: Re: Approaching the European Commission for some help?

Hi Chris,

I like the idea and in fact, as stated earlier on the list, there is a project 
funded by the german government (SFSC) together with Matthias Institute where 
we plan to do some PLC4X development and integration.
The EU founded projects are usually larger but also harder to acquire, so it 
will be a LOT of paperwork, but could be worth it if we make a nice proposal 
and outline a really feasible solution (not only covering plc4x but also some 
"end-user-usable" thing, or so).
And, we should gather several "assoziated" partners which explain their 
interest in what we want to do.

And of course good university support. So perhaps the ISW (Matthias) and also 
the WZL Aachen (Björn has good contacts) and the IFQ Magdeburg (we have good 
contacts) could be good universitary partners for such a project.

So pragmatic minds or pragmatic industries would be in, I guess.

Julian

Am 07.05.19, 14:23 schrieb "Christofer Dutz" :

Hi all,

while attending the EU FOSSA2 Hackathon in Brussles last weekend I had the 
chance to talk with some guys from the European Comission and they really liked 
how we are enabling small and mid-sized companies to participate in the 
Industry 4.0 sector.
They also promised to help us where they can.

While this is usually just something people say to be nice … some further 
thinking lead me to the idea that we might approach them and ask for some 
options for EU funded research.

I guess we all work for some company (or are self employed) … we could try 
to apply for some funds in as a collective.

You think that’s a good idea?

Chris

Re: Approaching the European Commission for some help?

[Julian Feinauer]

Hi Chris,

I like the idea and in fact, as stated earlier on the list, there is a project 
funded by the german government (SFSC) together with Matthias Institute where 
we plan to do some PLC4X development and integration.
The EU founded projects are usually larger but also harder to acquire, so it 
will be a LOT of paperwork, but could be worth it if we make a nice proposal 
and outline a really feasible solution (not only covering plc4x but also some 
"end-user-usable" thing, or so).
And, we should gather several "assoziated" partners which explain their 
interest in what we want to do.

And of course good university support. So perhaps the ISW (Matthias) and also 
the WZL Aachen (Björn has good contacts) and the IFQ Magdeburg (we have good 
contacts) could be good universitary partners for such a project.

So pragmatic minds or pragmatic industries would be in, I guess.

Julian

Am 07.05.19, 14:23 schrieb "Christofer Dutz" :

Hi all,

while attending the EU FOSSA2 Hackathon in Brussles last weekend I had the 
chance to talk with some guys from the European Comission and they really liked 
how we are enabling small and mid-sized companies to participate in the 
Industry 4.0 sector.
They also promised to help us where they can.

While this is usually just something people say to be nice … some further 
thinking lead me to the idea that we might approach them and ask for some 
options for EU funded research.

I guess we all work for some company (or are self employed) … we could try 
to apply for some funds in as a collective.

You think that’s a good idea?

Chris

[BUILD-STABLE]: Job 'PLC4X/PLC4X/develop [develop] [327]'

[Apache Jenkins Server]

BUILD-STABLE: Job 'PLC4X/PLC4X/develop [develop] [327]':

Is back to normal.

Approaching the European Commission for some help?

[Christofer Dutz]

Hi all,

while attending the EU FOSSA2 Hackathon in Brussles last weekend I had the 
chance to talk with some guys from the European Comission and they really liked 
how we are enabling small and mid-sized companies to participate in the 
Industry 4.0 sector.
They also promised to help us where they can.

While this is usually just something people say to be nice … some further 
thinking lead me to the idea that we might approach them and ask for some 
options for EU funded research.

I guess we all work for some company (or are self employed) … we could try to 
apply for some funds in as a collective.

You think that’s a good idea?

Chris

[BUILD-FAILURE]: Job 'PLC4X/PLC4X/develop [develop] [326]'

[Apache Jenkins Server]

BUILD-FAILURE: Job 'PLC4X/PLC4X/develop [develop] [326]':

Check console output at "https://builds.apache.org/job/PLC4X/job/PLC4X/job/develop/326/";>PLC4X/PLC4X/develop
 [develop] [326]"

Re: [WEBSITE] Discuss stripping down website generation

[Niklas Merz]

Hi,

My feedback from using the page for the first time.

I noticed that while looking for the getting started. Building the website was 
really slow on my machine as well. +1 from me.

I think the main menu item Reports - > Project Informationen is too hard to 
find for important stuff.

Niklas


Am 7. Mai 2019, um 10:15, Christofer Dutz  schrieb:

Hi all,

I recently added a “getting started” page for Java and located it in the 
“plc4j” module as I thought it belongs there.
But I did notice some un-niceness ;-) with that.
Even if it’s possible to link from one module to another, the navigation menu 
is separate for every module.
So if you jump to the java getting started page, all the menus in the top 
disappear and it’s difficult to get back.

Now how about using only the site of the parent module for web content?

In this case we could disable the site generation for all other modules and 
this would greatly speed up the website generation.
We have never really used the linking to sub-modules anyway and besides the API 
module, a user shouldn’t care about it anyway.

What do you think?

Chris

Am 7. Mai 2019, 10:15, um 10:15, Christofer Dutz  
schrieb:
>Hi all,
>
>I recently added a “getting started” page for Java and located it in
>the “plc4j” module as I thought it belongs there.
>But I did notice some un-niceness ;-) with that.
>Even if it’s possible to link from one module to another, the
>navigation menu is separate for every module.
>So if you jump to the java getting started page, all the menus in the
>top disappear and it’s difficult to get back.
>
>Now how about using only the site of the parent module for web content?
>
>In this case we could disable the site generation for all other modules
>and this would greatly speed up the website generation.
>We have never really used the linking to sub-modules anyway and besides
>the API module, a user shouldn’t care about it anyway.
>
>What do you think?
>
>Chris

RE: [JAVA] Discuss: Add a "with-java" profile?

[Strljic, Matthias Milan]

Hi Chris,

this sounds absolutely reasonable for me.
 + 1 for consistency 😊

Greetings
Matthias Strljic, M.Sc.

Universität Stuttgart
Institut für Steuerungstechnik der Werkzeugmaschinen und 
Fertigungseinrichtungen (ISW)

Seidenstraße 36
70174 Stuttgart
GERMANY

Tel: +49 711 685-84530
Fax: +49 711 685-74530

E-Mail: matthias.strl...@isw.uni-stuttgart.de
Web: http://www.isw.uni-stuttgart.de

-Original Message-
From: Christofer Dutz  
Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2019 9:58 AM
To: dev@plc4x.apache.org
Subject: [JAVA] Discuss: Add a "with-java" profile?

Hi all,

while we now have more and more languages which you can all enable with a 
“with-xyz” profile. I did notice that even the python, c++ and c# people will 
automatically run the java build even if it doesn’t really have an effect on 
them.

I would like to add a “with-java” profile to enable building java.

The result would be that without any profile enabled, it would just build the 
protocols modules … but I guess that’s something we could live with.

Chris

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[WEBSITE] Discuss stripping down website generation

[Christofer Dutz]

Hi all,

I recently added a “getting started” page for Java and located it in the 
“plc4j” module as I thought it belongs there.
But I did notice some un-niceness ;-) with that.
Even if it’s possible to link from one module to another, the navigation menu 
is separate for every module.
So if you jump to the java getting started page, all the menus in the top 
disappear and it’s difficult to get back.

Now how about using only the site of the parent module for web content?

In this case we could disable the site generation for all other modules and 
this would greatly speed up the website generation.
We have never really used the linking to sub-modules anyway and besides the API 
module, a user shouldn’t care about it anyway.

What do you think?

Chris

[JAVA] Discuss: Add a "with-java" profile?

[Christofer Dutz]

Hi all,

while we now have more and more languages which you can all enable with a 
“with-xyz” profile. I did notice that even the python, c++ and c# people will 
automatically run the java build even if it doesn’t really have an effect on 
them.

I would like to add a “with-java” profile to enable building java.

The result would be that without any profile enabled, it would just build the 
protocols modules … but I guess that’s something we could live with.

Chris

Re: [EU-FOSSA 2 2019 Hackathon] Improved OSGi and Apache Karaf integration

[Christofer Dutz]

Hi Łukasz,

replying to what you wrote in slack:

- Yes I was running with Java 12 (Switched to that as this way I could find the 
most build issues).
- And I also agree that an osgi module, which depends on the api and provides 
the OSGI magic is also preferable from my point of view.

I would suggest to add an extra module to the integrations module. If the 
addition is independent of karaf, 
I would suggest to have a simple osgi integration module, if it's karaf 
specific, then I would add it to the karaf-integration.

Chris


Am 06.05.19, 19:42 schrieb "Christofer Dutz" :

Hi Łukasz,

so I pulled in your changes locally and really like them.

I was a little hesitant regarding the OSGI dependency in the API module, 
but as it's set to "provided" it's not that bad. 
I guess we can live with that.

Regarding the PlcDriverManager, I would prefer to change it to 
SimplePlcDriverManager instead of BasicPlcDriverManager. 
Basic sort of sounds very similar to Base which implies it to be an 
inheritance base ... but that just might be me. 

However unfortunately I am having trouble with the build. When building the 
karaf-features module fails with this report:

[INFO] --- karaf-maven-plugin:4.2.5:verify (default) @ karaf-features ---
[INFO] Using repositories: 
https://repository.apache.org/content/repositories/snapshots@id=apache-snapshots@noreleases@snapshots,https://repo.maven.apache.org/maven2@id=central
[WARNING] Unable to resolve framework features: plc4x-api/0.4.0.SNAPSHOT
[WARNING] Unable to resolve root: missing requirement [root] osgi.identity; 
osgi.identity=framework; type=karaf.feature; 
filter:="(&(osgi.identity=framework)(type=karaf.feature))" [caused by: Unable 
to resolve framework/4.2.5: missing requirement [framework/4.2.5] 
osgi.identity; osgi.identity=org.ops4j.pax.logging.pax-logging-api; 
type=osgi.bundle; version="[1.10.1,1.10.1]"; resolution:=mandatory [caused by: 
Unable to resolve org.ops4j.pax.logging.pax-logging-api/1.10.1: missing 
requirement [org.ops4j.pax.logging.pax-logging-api/1.10.1] osgi.wiring.package; 
filter:="(osgi.wiring.package=javax.xml.parsers)"]]
[WARNING] Unable to resolve framework features: 
plc4x-ads-driver/0.4.0.SNAPSHOT
[WARNING] Unable to resolve root: missing requirement [root] osgi.identity; 
osgi.identity=framework; type=karaf.feature; 
filter:="(&(osgi.identity=framework)(type=karaf.feature))" [caused by: Unable 
to resolve framework/4.2.5: missing requirement [framework/4.2.5] 
osgi.identity; osgi.identity=org.ops4j.pax.logging.pax-logging-api; 
type=osgi.bundle; version="[1.10.1,1.10.1]"; resolution:=mandatory [caused by: 
Unable to resolve org.ops4j.pax.logging.pax-logging-api/1.10.1: missing 
requirement [org.ops4j.pax.logging.pax-logging-api/1.10.1] osgi.wiring.package; 
filter:="(osgi.wiring.package=javax.xml.parsers)"]]
[WARNING] Unable to resolve framework features: 
plc4x-ethernet-ip-driver/0.4.0.SNAPSHOT
[WARNING] Unable to resolve root: missing requirement [root] osgi.identity; 
osgi.identity=framework; type=karaf.feature; 
filter:="(&(osgi.identity=framework)(type=karaf.feature))" [caused by: Unable 
to resolve framework/4.2.5: missing requirement [framework/4.2.5] 
osgi.identity; osgi.identity=org.ops4j.pax.logging.pax-logging-api; 
type=osgi.bundle; version="[1.10.1,1.10.1]"; resolution:=mandatory [caused by: 
Unable to resolve org.ops4j.pax.logging.pax-logging-api/1.10.1: missing 
requirement [org.ops4j.pax.logging.pax-logging-api/1.10.1] osgi.wiring.package; 
filter:="(osgi.wiring.package=javax.xml.parsers)"]]
[WARNING] Unable to resolve framework features: 
plc4x-modbus-driver/0.4.0.SNAPSHOT
[WARNING] Unable to resolve root: missing requirement [root] osgi.identity; 
osgi.identity=framework; type=karaf.feature; 
filter:="(&(osgi.identity=framework)(type=karaf.feature))" [caused by: Unable 
to resolve framework/4.2.5: missing requirement [framework/4.2.5] 
osgi.identity; osgi.identity=org.ops4j.pax.logging.pax-logging-api; 
type=osgi.bundle; version="[1.10.1,1.10.1]"; resolution:=mandatory [caused by: 
Unable to resolve org.ops4j.pax.logging.pax-logging-api/1.10.1: missing 
requirement [org.ops4j.pax.logging.pax-logging-api/1.10.1] osgi.wiring.package; 
filter:="(osgi.wiring.package=javax.xml.parsers)"]]
[WARNING] Unable to resolve framework features: 
plc4x-s7-driver/0.4.0.SNAPSHOT
[WARNING] Unable to resolve root: missing requirement [root] osgi.identity; 
osgi.identity=framework; type=karaf.feature; 
filter:="(&(osgi.identity=framework)(type=karaf.feature))" [caused by: Unable 
to resolve framework/4.2.5: missing requirement [framework/4.2.5] 
osgi.identity; osgi.identity=org.ops4j.pax.logging.pax-logging-api; 
type=osgi.bundle; version="[1.10.1,1.10.1]"; resolution:=mandatory [caused by: 
Unable to resolve org.ops4j.pax.logging.pax-logging-api/1.10.1: missing 
requirement [org.ops4j.pax.logging.pax-logging-api/1.10.1] osgi.wiring.package;