Re: Does anyone build UI for Pulsar?
Asaf, Il giorno mer 22 feb 2023 alle ore 14:19 Asaf Mesika ha scritto: > > Wondering out loud if there are generic UI for message brokers? Unfortunately the only "standard" API to access Messaging services is JMS but it is pretty limited as it allows only to produce and consume. Also a Pulsar UI should be able to allow the user to manage everything, and Pulsar has many cool features that are not available to many other systems, especially builtin multi-tenancy. Enrico > > On Tue, Feb 21, 2023 at 6:27 PM Kiryl Valkovich > wrote: > > > Devin, > > > > The most desired feature I need as an event-driven application developer > > is the ability to read and filter messages in topics. > > With the NonDurable subscription type, it shouldn’t affect the topic’s > > data. > > > > The ability to easily produce a message or generate a bunch of them, based > > on some rules, allows me to quickly check how the application behaves in > > different scenarios. > > > > It’s also useful for the QA audience. > > > > From: Devin Bost > > Date: Tuesday, February 21, 2023 at 4:58 PM > > To: Dev > > Subject: Re: Does anyone build UI for Pulsar? > > Kiryl, > > > > > Just make a side-by-side comparison of Pulsar Manager with any of the > > following options: > > > - Conduktor (Commercial). > > > - Kafka UI by Provectus (Apache License 2.0). > > > - Redpanda Console (ex-Kowl) (Mixed license). > > > > > > I see a significant gap in user experience between any of them and the > > Pulsar Manager. > > > > Thanks for bringing up this subject. You're making good points that we have > > a gap in this area. > > > > In your perspective, where do you think the biggest gaps are in terms of > > functionality? > > > > -- > > Devin Bost > > Sent from mobile > > Cell: 801-400-4602 > > > > On Mon, Feb 20, 2023, 8:54 AM Enrico Olivelli wrote: > > > > > Il giorno lun 20 feb 2023 alle ore 14:41 Kiryl Valkovich > > > ha scritto: > > > > > > > > Enrico, it’s easy. > > > > > > > > When I tried it, the basic functionality just didn’t work. > > > > > > > > Just make a side-by-side comparison of Pulsar Manager with any of the > > > following options: > > > > - Conduktor (Commercial). > > > > - Kafka UI by Provectus (Apache License 2.0). > > > > - Redpanda Console (ex-Kowl) (Mixed license). > > > > > > > > I see a significant gap in user experience between any of them and the > > > Pulsar Manager. > > > > Also, I just don’t see much contribution activity. > > > > > > > > Redpanda Console and Kafka UI, each have about x10 times more commits > > in > > > a year, than Pulsar Manager has in the last 3 years. Therefore I can’t > > > conclude that the project is alive. > > > > > > (Unfortunately) I 100% agree with you. > > > > > > > > > > > Regarding the “Why from scratch?” question: > > > > - I found it easier for me personally because of the different tech > > > stack I use. > > > > - Starting from scratch is a good opportunity to learn Pulsar itself. > > > > - I’d want to make a product around that. > > > > > > > > I'm not claiming that my result will be 100% better, but why not try? > > > > > > I understand your points. > > > I hope you will share your project with OSS license, this way it will > > > be easier for Pulsar users to try it out and contribute. > > > > > > > > If someone is already doing or plans to do similar work, let’s > > > collaborate! > > > > > > Thanks for sharing > > > > > > Enrico > > > > > > > > > > > From: Enrico Olivelli > > > > Date: Monday, February 20, 2023 at 2:04 PM > > > > To: dev@pulsar.apache.org > > > > Subject: Re: Does anyone build UI for Pulsar? > > > > Kiryl, > > > > > > > > Il giorno lun 20 feb 2023 alle ore 12:18 Kiryl Valkovich > > > > ha scritto: > > > > > > > > > > Enrico, it seems you read only the mail message title. > > > > > > > > Sorry about that, > > > > I have re-read the message, and I have just realised that I skipped > > > > the very first line :-) > > > > > > > > I have one question. > > > > IIUC you started from scratch a new UI, co
Re: Does anyone build UI for Pulsar?
Wondering out loud if there are generic UI for message brokers? On Tue, Feb 21, 2023 at 6:27 PM Kiryl Valkovich wrote: > Devin, > > The most desired feature I need as an event-driven application developer > is the ability to read and filter messages in topics. > With the NonDurable subscription type, it shouldn’t affect the topic’s > data. > > The ability to easily produce a message or generate a bunch of them, based > on some rules, allows me to quickly check how the application behaves in > different scenarios. > > It’s also useful for the QA audience. > > From: Devin Bost > Date: Tuesday, February 21, 2023 at 4:58 PM > To: Dev > Subject: Re: Does anyone build UI for Pulsar? > Kiryl, > > > Just make a side-by-side comparison of Pulsar Manager with any of the > following options: > > - Conduktor (Commercial). > > - Kafka UI by Provectus (Apache License 2.0). > > - Redpanda Console (ex-Kowl) (Mixed license). > > > > I see a significant gap in user experience between any of them and the > Pulsar Manager. > > Thanks for bringing up this subject. You're making good points that we have > a gap in this area. > > In your perspective, where do you think the biggest gaps are in terms of > functionality? > > -- > Devin Bost > Sent from mobile > Cell: 801-400-4602 > > On Mon, Feb 20, 2023, 8:54 AM Enrico Olivelli wrote: > > > Il giorno lun 20 feb 2023 alle ore 14:41 Kiryl Valkovich > > ha scritto: > > > > > > Enrico, it’s easy. > > > > > > When I tried it, the basic functionality just didn’t work. > > > > > > Just make a side-by-side comparison of Pulsar Manager with any of the > > following options: > > > - Conduktor (Commercial). > > > - Kafka UI by Provectus (Apache License 2.0). > > > - Redpanda Console (ex-Kowl) (Mixed license). > > > > > > I see a significant gap in user experience between any of them and the > > Pulsar Manager. > > > Also, I just don’t see much contribution activity. > > > > > > Redpanda Console and Kafka UI, each have about x10 times more commits > in > > a year, than Pulsar Manager has in the last 3 years. Therefore I can’t > > conclude that the project is alive. > > > > (Unfortunately) I 100% agree with you. > > > > > > > > Regarding the “Why from scratch?” question: > > > - I found it easier for me personally because of the different tech > > stack I use. > > > - Starting from scratch is a good opportunity to learn Pulsar itself. > > > - I’d want to make a product around that. > > > > > > I'm not claiming that my result will be 100% better, but why not try? > > > > I understand your points. > > I hope you will share your project with OSS license, this way it will > > be easier for Pulsar users to try it out and contribute. > > > > > > If someone is already doing or plans to do similar work, let’s > > collaborate! > > > > Thanks for sharing > > > > Enrico > > > > > > > > From: Enrico Olivelli > > > Date: Monday, February 20, 2023 at 2:04 PM > > > To: dev@pulsar.apache.org > > > Subject: Re: Does anyone build UI for Pulsar? > > > Kiryl, > > > > > > Il giorno lun 20 feb 2023 alle ore 12:18 Kiryl Valkovich > > > ha scritto: > > > > > > > > Enrico, it seems you read only the mail message title. > > > > > > Sorry about that, > > > I have re-read the message, and I have just realised that I skipped > > > the very first line :-) > > > > > > I have one question. > > > IIUC you started from scratch a new UI, could you please explain why > > > Pulsar Manager doesn't work for you? > > > > > > > > > Cheers > > > Enrico > > > > > > > > > > > From: Enrico Olivelli > > > > Date: Monday, February 20, 2023 at 11:59 AM > > > > To: dev@pulsar.apache.org > > > > Subject: Re: Does anyone build UI for Pulsar? > > > > Kiryl, > > > > > > > > You can use the official Apache Pulsar Manager the is maintained by > > > > this community > > > > https://github.com/apache/pulsar-manager > > > > > > > > At DataStax we also maintain this other UI that is also 100% > opensource > > > > https://github.com/datastax/pulsar-admin-console > > > > > > > > For the BookKeeper part there is BKVM (BookKeeper Visual Manager) > > > > https://githu
Re: Does anyone build UI for Pulsar?
Kiryl, > Just make a side-by-side comparison of Pulsar Manager with any of the following options: > - Conduktor (Commercial). > - Kafka UI by Provectus (Apache License 2.0). > - Redpanda Console (ex-Kowl) (Mixed license). > > I see a significant gap in user experience between any of them and the Pulsar Manager. Thanks for bringing up this subject. You're making good points that we have a gap in this area. In your perspective, where do you think the biggest gaps are in terms of functionality? -- Devin Bost Sent from mobile Cell: 801-400-4602 On Mon, Feb 20, 2023, 8:54 AM Enrico Olivelli wrote: > Il giorno lun 20 feb 2023 alle ore 14:41 Kiryl Valkovich > ha scritto: > > > > Enrico, it’s easy. > > > > When I tried it, the basic functionality just didn’t work. > > > > Just make a side-by-side comparison of Pulsar Manager with any of the > following options: > > - Conduktor (Commercial). > > - Kafka UI by Provectus (Apache License 2.0). > > - Redpanda Console (ex-Kowl) (Mixed license). > > > > I see a significant gap in user experience between any of them and the > Pulsar Manager. > > Also, I just don’t see much contribution activity. > > > > Redpanda Console and Kafka UI, each have about x10 times more commits in > a year, than Pulsar Manager has in the last 3 years. Therefore I can’t > conclude that the project is alive. > > (Unfortunately) I 100% agree with you. > > > > > Regarding the “Why from scratch?” question: > > - I found it easier for me personally because of the different tech > stack I use. > > - Starting from scratch is a good opportunity to learn Pulsar itself. > > - I’d want to make a product around that. > > > > I'm not claiming that my result will be 100% better, but why not try? > > I understand your points. > I hope you will share your project with OSS license, this way it will > be easier for Pulsar users to try it out and contribute. > > > > If someone is already doing or plans to do similar work, let’s > collaborate! > > Thanks for sharing > > Enrico > > > > > From: Enrico Olivelli > > Date: Monday, February 20, 2023 at 2:04 PM > > To: dev@pulsar.apache.org > > Subject: Re: Does anyone build UI for Pulsar? > > Kiryl, > > > > Il giorno lun 20 feb 2023 alle ore 12:18 Kiryl Valkovich > > ha scritto: > > > > > > Enrico, it seems you read only the mail message title. > > > > Sorry about that, > > I have re-read the message, and I have just realised that I skipped > > the very first line :-) > > > > I have one question. > > IIUC you started from scratch a new UI, could you please explain why > > Pulsar Manager doesn't work for you? > > > > > > Cheers > > Enrico > > > > > > > > From: Enrico Olivelli > > > Date: Monday, February 20, 2023 at 11:59 AM > > > To: dev@pulsar.apache.org > > > Subject: Re: Does anyone build UI for Pulsar? > > > Kiryl, > > > > > > You can use the official Apache Pulsar Manager the is maintained by > > > this community > > > https://github.com/apache/pulsar-manager > > > > > > At DataStax we also maintain this other UI that is also 100% opensource > > > https://github.com/datastax/pulsar-admin-console > > > > > > For the BookKeeper part there is BKVM (BookKeeper Visual Manager) > > > https://github.com/diennea/bookkeeper-visual-manager > > > This is also bundled with Apache Pulsar Manager > > > > > > > > > I hope that helps > > > > > > Enrico > > > > > > > > > > > > Il giorno lun 20 feb 2023 alle ore 10:51 Kiryl Valkovich > > > ha scritto: > > > > > > > > Hi everyone! > > > > > > > > Does anyone personally or some company work on UI for Pulsar other > than pulsar-manager or pulsar-admin-console? > > > > > > > > I understand that StreamNative and DataStax have managed solutions > and obviously work on their UI. > > > > > > > > I rather looking for an open-source or commercial tool that can be > used in pair with any Pulsar deployment. > > > > > > > > I spent some time implementing UI for Apache Pulsar. It’s not ready > to release yet. As usual, the most difficult 20% of the work remained. > > > > > > > > I’m asking that to avoid situations when several people or teams are > doing the same thing. > > > > Recently I proposed the site redesign and some teams are already > doing that as it’s figured out. > > > > > > > > See Asaf’s comment: > > > > > https://github.com/apache/pulsar-site/pull/426#issuecomment-1436589392 > > > > > > > > Please at least DM me if it’s not public information yet. > > > > > > > > Also DM me if you think that we can try to cooperate. > > > > > > > > Thank you. >
Re: Does anyone build UI for Pulsar?
Il giorno lun 20 feb 2023 alle ore 14:41 Kiryl Valkovich ha scritto: > > Enrico, it’s easy. > > When I tried it, the basic functionality just didn’t work. > > Just make a side-by-side comparison of Pulsar Manager with any of the > following options: > - Conduktor (Commercial). > - Kafka UI by Provectus (Apache License 2.0). > - Redpanda Console (ex-Kowl) (Mixed license). > > I see a significant gap in user experience between any of them and the Pulsar > Manager. > Also, I just don’t see much contribution activity. > > Redpanda Console and Kafka UI, each have about x10 times more commits in a > year, than Pulsar Manager has in the last 3 years. Therefore I can’t conclude > that the project is alive. (Unfortunately) I 100% agree with you. > > Regarding the “Why from scratch?” question: > - I found it easier for me personally because of the different tech stack I > use. > - Starting from scratch is a good opportunity to learn Pulsar itself. > - I’d want to make a product around that. > > I'm not claiming that my result will be 100% better, but why not try? I understand your points. I hope you will share your project with OSS license, this way it will be easier for Pulsar users to try it out and contribute. > > If someone is already doing or plans to do similar work, let’s collaborate! Thanks for sharing Enrico > > From: Enrico Olivelli > Date: Monday, February 20, 2023 at 2:04 PM > To: dev@pulsar.apache.org > Subject: Re: Does anyone build UI for Pulsar? > Kiryl, > > Il giorno lun 20 feb 2023 alle ore 12:18 Kiryl Valkovich > ha scritto: > > > > Enrico, it seems you read only the mail message title. > > Sorry about that, > I have re-read the message, and I have just realised that I skipped > the very first line :-) > > I have one question. > IIUC you started from scratch a new UI, could you please explain why > Pulsar Manager doesn't work for you? > > > Cheers > Enrico > > > > > From: Enrico Olivelli > > Date: Monday, February 20, 2023 at 11:59 AM > > To: dev@pulsar.apache.org > > Subject: Re: Does anyone build UI for Pulsar? > > Kiryl, > > > > You can use the official Apache Pulsar Manager the is maintained by > > this community > > https://github.com/apache/pulsar-manager > > > > At DataStax we also maintain this other UI that is also 100% opensource > > https://github.com/datastax/pulsar-admin-console > > > > For the BookKeeper part there is BKVM (BookKeeper Visual Manager) > > https://github.com/diennea/bookkeeper-visual-manager > > This is also bundled with Apache Pulsar Manager > > > > > > I hope that helps > > > > Enrico > > > > > > > > Il giorno lun 20 feb 2023 alle ore 10:51 Kiryl Valkovich > > ha scritto: > > > > > > Hi everyone! > > > > > > Does anyone personally or some company work on UI for Pulsar other than > > > pulsar-manager or pulsar-admin-console? > > > > > > I understand that StreamNative and DataStax have managed solutions and > > > obviously work on their UI. > > > > > > I rather looking for an open-source or commercial tool that can be used > > > in pair with any Pulsar deployment. > > > > > > I spent some time implementing UI for Apache Pulsar. It’s not ready to > > > release yet. As usual, the most difficult 20% of the work remained. > > > > > > I’m asking that to avoid situations when several people or teams are > > > doing the same thing. > > > Recently I proposed the site redesign and some teams are already doing > > > that as it’s figured out. > > > > > > See Asaf’s comment: > > > https://github.com/apache/pulsar-site/pull/426#issuecomment-1436589392 > > > > > > Please at least DM me if it’s not public information yet. > > > > > > Also DM me if you think that we can try to cooperate. > > > > > > Thank you.
Re: Does anyone build UI for Pulsar?
Enrico, it’s easy. When I tried it, the basic functionality just didn’t work. Just make a side-by-side comparison of Pulsar Manager with any of the following options: - Conduktor (Commercial). - Kafka UI by Provectus (Apache License 2.0). - Redpanda Console (ex-Kowl) (Mixed license). I see a significant gap in user experience between any of them and the Pulsar Manager. Also, I just don’t see much contribution activity. Redpanda Console and Kafka UI, each have about x10 times more commits in a year, than Pulsar Manager has in the last 3 years. Therefore I can’t conclude that the project is alive. Regarding the “Why from scratch?” question: - I found it easier for me personally because of the different tech stack I use. - Starting from scratch is a good opportunity to learn Pulsar itself. - I’d want to make a product around that. I'm not claiming that my result will be 100% better, but why not try? If someone is already doing or plans to do similar work, let’s collaborate! From: Enrico Olivelli Date: Monday, February 20, 2023 at 2:04 PM To: dev@pulsar.apache.org Subject: Re: Does anyone build UI for Pulsar? Kiryl, Il giorno lun 20 feb 2023 alle ore 12:18 Kiryl Valkovich ha scritto: > > Enrico, it seems you read only the mail message title. Sorry about that, I have re-read the message, and I have just realised that I skipped the very first line :-) I have one question. IIUC you started from scratch a new UI, could you please explain why Pulsar Manager doesn't work for you? Cheers Enrico > > From: Enrico Olivelli > Date: Monday, February 20, 2023 at 11:59 AM > To: dev@pulsar.apache.org > Subject: Re: Does anyone build UI for Pulsar? > Kiryl, > > You can use the official Apache Pulsar Manager the is maintained by > this community > https://github.com/apache/pulsar-manager > > At DataStax we also maintain this other UI that is also 100% opensource > https://github.com/datastax/pulsar-admin-console > > For the BookKeeper part there is BKVM (BookKeeper Visual Manager) > https://github.com/diennea/bookkeeper-visual-manager > This is also bundled with Apache Pulsar Manager > > > I hope that helps > > Enrico > > > > Il giorno lun 20 feb 2023 alle ore 10:51 Kiryl Valkovich > ha scritto: > > > > Hi everyone! > > > > Does anyone personally or some company work on UI for Pulsar other than > > pulsar-manager or pulsar-admin-console? > > > > I understand that StreamNative and DataStax have managed solutions and > > obviously work on their UI. > > > > I rather looking for an open-source or commercial tool that can be used in > > pair with any Pulsar deployment. > > > > I spent some time implementing UI for Apache Pulsar. It’s not ready to > > release yet. As usual, the most difficult 20% of the work remained. > > > > I’m asking that to avoid situations when several people or teams are doing > > the same thing. > > Recently I proposed the site redesign and some teams are already doing that > > as it’s figured out. > > > > See Asaf’s comment: > > https://github.com/apache/pulsar-site/pull/426#issuecomment-1436589392 > > > > Please at least DM me if it’s not public information yet. > > > > Also DM me if you think that we can try to cooperate. > > > > Thank you.
Re: Does anyone build UI for Pulsar?
Kiryl, Il giorno lun 20 feb 2023 alle ore 12:18 Kiryl Valkovich ha scritto: > > Enrico, it seems you read only the mail message title. Sorry about that, I have re-read the message, and I have just realised that I skipped the very first line :-) I have one question. IIUC you started from scratch a new UI, could you please explain why Pulsar Manager doesn't work for you? Cheers Enrico > > From: Enrico Olivelli > Date: Monday, February 20, 2023 at 11:59 AM > To: dev@pulsar.apache.org > Subject: Re: Does anyone build UI for Pulsar? > Kiryl, > > You can use the official Apache Pulsar Manager the is maintained by > this community > https://github.com/apache/pulsar-manager > > At DataStax we also maintain this other UI that is also 100% opensource > https://github.com/datastax/pulsar-admin-console > > For the BookKeeper part there is BKVM (BookKeeper Visual Manager) > https://github.com/diennea/bookkeeper-visual-manager > This is also bundled with Apache Pulsar Manager > > > I hope that helps > > Enrico > > > > Il giorno lun 20 feb 2023 alle ore 10:51 Kiryl Valkovich > ha scritto: > > > > Hi everyone! > > > > Does anyone personally or some company work on UI for Pulsar other than > > pulsar-manager or pulsar-admin-console? > > > > I understand that StreamNative and DataStax have managed solutions and > > obviously work on their UI. > > > > I rather looking for an open-source or commercial tool that can be used in > > pair with any Pulsar deployment. > > > > I spent some time implementing UI for Apache Pulsar. It’s not ready to > > release yet. As usual, the most difficult 20% of the work remained. > > > > I’m asking that to avoid situations when several people or teams are doing > > the same thing. > > Recently I proposed the site redesign and some teams are already doing that > > as it’s figured out. > > > > See Asaf’s comment: > > https://github.com/apache/pulsar-site/pull/426#issuecomment-1436589392 > > > > Please at least DM me if it’s not public information yet. > > > > Also DM me if you think that we can try to cooperate. > > > > Thank you.
Re: Does anyone build UI for Pulsar?
Enrico, it seems you read only the mail message title. From: Enrico Olivelli Date: Monday, February 20, 2023 at 11:59 AM To: dev@pulsar.apache.org Subject: Re: Does anyone build UI for Pulsar? Kiryl, You can use the official Apache Pulsar Manager the is maintained by this community https://github.com/apache/pulsar-manager At DataStax we also maintain this other UI that is also 100% opensource https://github.com/datastax/pulsar-admin-console For the BookKeeper part there is BKVM (BookKeeper Visual Manager) https://github.com/diennea/bookkeeper-visual-manager This is also bundled with Apache Pulsar Manager I hope that helps Enrico Il giorno lun 20 feb 2023 alle ore 10:51 Kiryl Valkovich ha scritto: > > Hi everyone! > > Does anyone personally or some company work on UI for Pulsar other than > pulsar-manager or pulsar-admin-console? > > I understand that StreamNative and DataStax have managed solutions and > obviously work on their UI. > > I rather looking for an open-source or commercial tool that can be used in > pair with any Pulsar deployment. > > I spent some time implementing UI for Apache Pulsar. It’s not ready to > release yet. As usual, the most difficult 20% of the work remained. > > I’m asking that to avoid situations when several people or teams are doing > the same thing. > Recently I proposed the site redesign and some teams are already doing that > as it’s figured out. > > See Asaf’s comment: > https://github.com/apache/pulsar-site/pull/426#issuecomment-1436589392 > > Please at least DM me if it’s not public information yet. > > Also DM me if you think that we can try to cooperate. > > Thank you.
Re: Does anyone build UI for Pulsar?
Kiryl, You can use the official Apache Pulsar Manager the is maintained by this community https://github.com/apache/pulsar-manager At DataStax we also maintain this other UI that is also 100% opensource https://github.com/datastax/pulsar-admin-console For the BookKeeper part there is BKVM (BookKeeper Visual Manager) https://github.com/diennea/bookkeeper-visual-manager This is also bundled with Apache Pulsar Manager I hope that helps Enrico Il giorno lun 20 feb 2023 alle ore 10:51 Kiryl Valkovich ha scritto: > > Hi everyone! > > Does anyone personally or some company work on UI for Pulsar other than > pulsar-manager or pulsar-admin-console? > > I understand that StreamNative and DataStax have managed solutions and > obviously work on their UI. > > I rather looking for an open-source or commercial tool that can be used in > pair with any Pulsar deployment. > > I spent some time implementing UI for Apache Pulsar. It’s not ready to > release yet. As usual, the most difficult 20% of the work remained. > > I’m asking that to avoid situations when several people or teams are doing > the same thing. > Recently I proposed the site redesign and some teams are already doing that > as it’s figured out. > > See Asaf’s comment: > https://github.com/apache/pulsar-site/pull/426#issuecomment-1436589392 > > Please at least DM me if it’s not public information yet. > > Also DM me if you think that we can try to cooperate. > > Thank you.
Does anyone build UI for Pulsar?
Hi everyone! Does anyone personally or some company work on UI for Pulsar other than pulsar-manager or pulsar-admin-console? I understand that StreamNative and DataStax have managed solutions and obviously work on their UI. I rather looking for an open-source or commercial tool that can be used in pair with any Pulsar deployment. I spent some time implementing UI for Apache Pulsar. It’s not ready to release yet. As usual, the most difficult 20% of the work remained. I’m asking that to avoid situations when several people or teams are doing the same thing. Recently I proposed the site redesign and some teams are already doing that as it’s figured out. See Asaf’s comment: https://github.com/apache/pulsar-site/pull/426#issuecomment-1436589392 Please at least DM me if it’s not public information yet. Also DM me if you think that we can try to cooperate. Thank you.
