Re: Building Spark with Pants
I worked on Pants at Foursquare for a while and when coming up to speed on Spark was interested in the possibility of building it with Pants, particularly because allowing developers to share/reuse each others' compilation artifacts seems like it would be a boon to productivity; that was/is Pants' killer feature for Foursquare, as mentioned on the pants-devel thread. Given the monumental nature of the task of making Spark build with Pants, most of my enthusiasm was deflected to SPARK-1517 https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/SPARK-1517, which deals with publishing nightly builds (or better, exposing all assembly JARs built by Jenkins?) that people could use rather than having to assemble their own. Anyway, it's an intriguing idea, Nicholas, I'm glad you are pursuing it! On Sat Feb 14 2015 at 4:21:16 AM Nicholas Chammas nicholas.cham...@gmail.com wrote: FYI: Here is the matching discussion over on the Pants dev list. https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/pants-devel/rTaU-iIOIFE On Mon Feb 02 2015 at 4:50:33 PM Nicholas Chammas nicholas.cham...@gmail.com http://mailto:nicholas.cham...@gmail.com wrote: To reiterate, I'm asking from an experimental perspective. I'm not proposing we change Spark to build with Pants or anything like that. I'm interested in trying Pants out and I'm wondering if anyone else shares my interest or already has experience with Pants that they can share. On Mon Feb 02 2015 at 4:40:45 PM Nicholas Chammas nicholas.cham...@gmail.com wrote: I'm asking from an experimental standpoint; this is not happening anytime soon. Of course, if the experiment turns out very well, Pants would replace both sbt and Maven (like it has at Twitter, for example). Pants also works with IDEs http://pantsbuild.github.io/index.html#using-pants-with. On Mon Feb 02 2015 at 4:33:11 PM Stephen Boesch java...@gmail.com wrote: There is a significant investment in sbt and maven - and they are not at all likely to be going away. A third build tool? Note that there is also the perspective of building within an IDE - which actually works presently for sbt and with a little bit of tweaking with maven as well. 2015-02-02 16:25 GMT-08:00 Nicholas Chammas nicholas.cham...@gmail.com : Does anyone here have experience with Pants http://pantsbuild.github.io/index.html or interest in trying to build Spark with it? Pants has an interesting story. It was born at Twitter to help them build their Scala, Java, and Python projects as several independent components in one monolithic repo. (It was inspired by a similar build tool at Google called blaze.) The mix of languages and sub-projects at Twitter seems similar to the breakdown we have in Spark. Pants has an interesting take on how a build system should work, and Twitter and Foursquare (who use Pants as their primary build tool) claim it helps enforce better build hygiene and maintainability. Some relevant talks: - Building Scala Hygienically with Pants https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukqke8iTuH0 - The Pants Build Tool at Twitter https://engineering.twitter.com/university/videos/the-pant s-build-tool-at-twitter - Getting Started with the Pants Build System: Why Pants? https://engineering.twitter.com/university/videos/getting- started-with-the-pants-build-system-why-pants At some point I may take a shot at converting Spark to use Pants as an experiment and just see what it’s like. Nick
Re: Building Spark with Pants
FYI: Here is the matching discussion over on the Pants dev list. https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/pants-devel/rTaU-iIOIFE On Mon Feb 02 2015 at 4:50:33 PM Nicholas Chammas nicholas.cham...@gmail.com http://mailto:nicholas.cham...@gmail.com wrote: To reiterate, I'm asking from an experimental perspective. I'm not proposing we change Spark to build with Pants or anything like that. I'm interested in trying Pants out and I'm wondering if anyone else shares my interest or already has experience with Pants that they can share. On Mon Feb 02 2015 at 4:40:45 PM Nicholas Chammas nicholas.cham...@gmail.com wrote: I'm asking from an experimental standpoint; this is not happening anytime soon. Of course, if the experiment turns out very well, Pants would replace both sbt and Maven (like it has at Twitter, for example). Pants also works with IDEs http://pantsbuild.github.io/index.html#using-pants-with. On Mon Feb 02 2015 at 4:33:11 PM Stephen Boesch java...@gmail.com wrote: There is a significant investment in sbt and maven - and they are not at all likely to be going away. A third build tool? Note that there is also the perspective of building within an IDE - which actually works presently for sbt and with a little bit of tweaking with maven as well. 2015-02-02 16:25 GMT-08:00 Nicholas Chammas nicholas.cham...@gmail.com : Does anyone here have experience with Pants http://pantsbuild.github.io/index.html or interest in trying to build Spark with it? Pants has an interesting story. It was born at Twitter to help them build their Scala, Java, and Python projects as several independent components in one monolithic repo. (It was inspired by a similar build tool at Google called blaze.) The mix of languages and sub-projects at Twitter seems similar to the breakdown we have in Spark. Pants has an interesting take on how a build system should work, and Twitter and Foursquare (who use Pants as their primary build tool) claim it helps enforce better build hygiene and maintainability. Some relevant talks: - Building Scala Hygienically with Pants https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukqke8iTuH0 - The Pants Build Tool at Twitter https://engineering.twitter.com/university/videos/the-pant s-build-tool-at-twitter - Getting Started with the Pants Build System: Why Pants? https://engineering.twitter.com/university/videos/getting- started-with-the-pants-build-system-why-pants At some point I may take a shot at converting Spark to use Pants as an experiment and just see what it’s like. Nick
Re: Building Spark with Pants
I'm asking from an experimental standpoint; this is not happening anytime soon. Of course, if the experiment turns out very well, Pants would replace both sbt and Maven (like it has at Twitter, for example). Pants also works with IDEs http://pantsbuild.github.io/index.html#using-pants-with. On Mon Feb 02 2015 at 4:33:11 PM Stephen Boesch java...@gmail.com wrote: There is a significant investment in sbt and maven - and they are not at all likely to be going away. A third build tool? Note that there is also the perspective of building within an IDE - which actually works presently for sbt and with a little bit of tweaking with maven as well. 2015-02-02 16:25 GMT-08:00 Nicholas Chammas nicholas.cham...@gmail.com: Does anyone here have experience with Pants http://pantsbuild.github.io/index.html or interest in trying to build Spark with it? Pants has an interesting story. It was born at Twitter to help them build their Scala, Java, and Python projects as several independent components in one monolithic repo. (It was inspired by a similar build tool at Google called blaze.) The mix of languages and sub-projects at Twitter seems similar to the breakdown we have in Spark. Pants has an interesting take on how a build system should work, and Twitter and Foursquare (who use Pants as their primary build tool) claim it helps enforce better build hygiene and maintainability. Some relevant talks: - Building Scala Hygienically with Pants https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukqke8iTuH0 - The Pants Build Tool at Twitter https://engineering.twitter.com/university/videos/the-pants-build-tool-at-twitter - Getting Started with the Pants Build System: Why Pants? https://engineering.twitter.com/university/videos/getting-started-with-the-pants-build-system-why-pants At some point I may take a shot at converting Spark to use Pants as an experiment and just see what it’s like. Nick
Re: Building Spark with Pants
There is a significant investment in sbt and maven - and they are not at all likely to be going away. A third build tool? Note that there is also the perspective of building within an IDE - which actually works presently for sbt and with a little bit of tweaking with maven as well. 2015-02-02 16:25 GMT-08:00 Nicholas Chammas nicholas.cham...@gmail.com: Does anyone here have experience with Pants http://pantsbuild.github.io/index.html or interest in trying to build Spark with it? Pants has an interesting story. It was born at Twitter to help them build their Scala, Java, and Python projects as several independent components in one monolithic repo. (It was inspired by a similar build tool at Google called blaze.) The mix of languages and sub-projects at Twitter seems similar to the breakdown we have in Spark. Pants has an interesting take on how a build system should work, and Twitter and Foursquare (who use Pants as their primary build tool) claim it helps enforce better build hygiene and maintainability. Some relevant talks: - Building Scala Hygienically with Pants https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukqke8iTuH0 - The Pants Build Tool at Twitter https://engineering.twitter.com/university/videos/the-pants-build-tool-at-twitter - Getting Started with the Pants Build System: Why Pants? https://engineering.twitter.com/university/videos/getting-started-with-the-pants-build-system-why-pants At some point I may take a shot at converting Spark to use Pants as an experiment and just see what it’s like. Nick
Re: Building Spark with Pants
To reiterate, I'm asking from an experimental perspective. I'm not proposing we change Spark to build with Pants or anything like that. I'm interested in trying Pants out and I'm wondering if anyone else shares my interest or already has experience with Pants that they can share. On Mon Feb 02 2015 at 4:40:45 PM Nicholas Chammas nicholas.cham...@gmail.com wrote: I'm asking from an experimental standpoint; this is not happening anytime soon. Of course, if the experiment turns out very well, Pants would replace both sbt and Maven (like it has at Twitter, for example). Pants also works with IDEs http://pantsbuild.github.io/index.html#using-pants-with. On Mon Feb 02 2015 at 4:33:11 PM Stephen Boesch java...@gmail.com wrote: There is a significant investment in sbt and maven - and they are not at all likely to be going away. A third build tool? Note that there is also the perspective of building within an IDE - which actually works presently for sbt and with a little bit of tweaking with maven as well. 2015-02-02 16:25 GMT-08:00 Nicholas Chammas nicholas.cham...@gmail.com: Does anyone here have experience with Pants http://pantsbuild.github.io/index.html or interest in trying to build Spark with it? Pants has an interesting story. It was born at Twitter to help them build their Scala, Java, and Python projects as several independent components in one monolithic repo. (It was inspired by a similar build tool at Google called blaze.) The mix of languages and sub-projects at Twitter seems similar to the breakdown we have in Spark. Pants has an interesting take on how a build system should work, and Twitter and Foursquare (who use Pants as their primary build tool) claim it helps enforce better build hygiene and maintainability. Some relevant talks: - Building Scala Hygienically with Pants https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukqke8iTuH0 - The Pants Build Tool at Twitter https://engineering.twitter.com/university/videos/the- pants-build-tool-at-twitter - Getting Started with the Pants Build System: Why Pants? https://engineering.twitter.com/university/videos/getting- started-with-the-pants-build-system-why-pants At some point I may take a shot at converting Spark to use Pants as an experiment and just see what it’s like. Nick
Building Spark with Pants
Does anyone here have experience with Pants http://pantsbuild.github.io/index.html or interest in trying to build Spark with it? Pants has an interesting story. It was born at Twitter to help them build their Scala, Java, and Python projects as several independent components in one monolithic repo. (It was inspired by a similar build tool at Google called blaze.) The mix of languages and sub-projects at Twitter seems similar to the breakdown we have in Spark. Pants has an interesting take on how a build system should work, and Twitter and Foursquare (who use Pants as their primary build tool) claim it helps enforce better build hygiene and maintainability. Some relevant talks: - Building Scala Hygienically with Pants https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukqke8iTuH0 - The Pants Build Tool at Twitter https://engineering.twitter.com/university/videos/the-pants-build-tool-at-twitter - Getting Started with the Pants Build System: Why Pants? https://engineering.twitter.com/university/videos/getting-started-with-the-pants-build-system-why-pants At some point I may take a shot at converting Spark to use Pants as an experiment and just see what it’s like. Nick
