Re: [VOTE] Tiles TLP
Any member can subscribe to the board list, and unsubscribed posting are suppose to be moderated, in case an outsider wants to contact the board. But, submitting a agenda item that way is problematic since the unsubscribed poster would not see any replies, and we are not suppose to forward postings from the private list to non-subscribers. The simplest thing would be for one of the members who support the petition to post it to the board list and mediate any questions. -Ted. On 12/6/06, David H. DeWolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok, thanks for asking. My guess is that it might look best coming from the new Chair too. Greg, I guess this is where I hand things off and tell you to let me know if you need help driving something to conclusion :) I'll get back to coding! David - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [VOTE] Tiles TLP
On Dec 4, 2006, at 7:34 AM, Ted Husted wrote: One note on the Resolution, some elder projects like Struts and Cocoon got away with the self-referential description, but if anyone has a slightly more detailed description of Tiles, it might save a round of revisions. I made a modification that includes this description: ...the JavaServer Pages template framework currently known as Apache Struts Tiles... Is that enough description or do you think I should add another WHERAS paragraph? Greg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [VOTE] Tiles TLP
hey now, Tiles works well without JSP too. :) On 12/6/06, Greg Reddin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 4, 2006, at 7:34 AM, Ted Husted wrote: One note on the Resolution, some elder projects like Struts and Cocoon got away with the self-referential description, but if anyone has a slightly more detailed description of Tiles, it might save a round of revisions. I made a modification that includes this description: ...the JavaServer Pages template framework currently known as Apache Struts Tiles... Is that enough description or do you think I should add another WHERAS paragraph? Greg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [VOTE] Tiles TLP
to be constructively critical, perhaps it would help to say that i think of it as a page composition and layout management framework. perhaps that language would be useful? On 12/6/06, Nathan Bubna [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hey now, Tiles works well without JSP too. :) On 12/6/06, Greg Reddin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 4, 2006, at 7:34 AM, Ted Husted wrote: One note on the Resolution, some elder projects like Struts and Cocoon got away with the self-referential description, but if anyone has a slightly more detailed description of Tiles, it might save a round of revisions. I made a modification that includes this description: ...the JavaServer Pages template framework currently known as Apache Struts Tiles... Is that enough description or do you think I should add another WHERAS paragraph? Greg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [VOTE] Tiles TLP
On Dec 6, 2006, at 12:20 PM, Nathan Bubna wrote: to be constructively critical, perhaps it would help to say that i think of it as a page composition and layout management framework. perhaps that language would be useful? On 12/6/06, Nathan Bubna [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hey now, Tiles works well without JSP too. :) I had a feeling that would come up :-) I just changed it to use your exact wording. Thanks, Greg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [VOTE] Tiles TLP
I like it, sounds good! Does that mean we're done until approval? When is the next board meeting? Any one know? How do we get this on their agenda? Greg Reddin wrote: On Dec 6, 2006, at 12:20 PM, Nathan Bubna wrote: to be constructively critical, perhaps it would help to say that i think of it as a page composition and layout management framework. perhaps that language would be useful? On 12/6/06, Nathan Bubna [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hey now, Tiles works well without JSP too. :) I had a feeling that would come up :-) I just changed it to use your exact wording. Thanks, Greg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [VOTE] Tiles TLP
On 12/6/06, David H. DeWolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I like it, sounds good! Does that mean we're done until approval? When is the next board meeting? Any one know? How do we get this on their agenda? I asked Henri Yandell The next board meeting is Wednesday 20th December and the resolution would need to be in by Monday of that week (but the earlier the better IMO, then you get time to iron out any wrinkles before the deadline). He says you can email it to board@ but hes not sure whether it has to be a member or if anyone can do it. Niall Greg Reddin wrote: On Dec 6, 2006, at 12:20 PM, Nathan Bubna wrote: to be constructively critical, perhaps it would help to say that i think of it as a page composition and layout management framework. perhaps that language would be useful? On 12/6/06, Nathan Bubna [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hey now, Tiles works well without JSP too. :) I had a feeling that would come up :-) I just changed it to use your exact wording. Thanks, Greg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [VOTE] Tiles TLP
Niall Pemberton wrote: On 12/6/06, David H. DeWolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I like it, sounds good! Does that mean we're done until approval? When is the next board meeting? Any one know? How do we get this on their agenda? I asked Henri Yandell The next board meeting is Wednesday 20th December and the resolution would need to be in by Monday of that week (but the earlier the better IMO, then you get time to iron out any wrinkles before the deadline). He says you can email it to board@ but hes not sure whether it has to be a member or if anyone can do it. Ok, thanks for asking. My guess is that it might look best coming from the new Chair too. Greg, I guess this is where I hand things off and tell you to let me know if you need help driving something to conclusion :) I'll get back to coding! David Niall Greg Reddin wrote: On Dec 6, 2006, at 12:20 PM, Nathan Bubna wrote: to be constructively critical, perhaps it would help to say that i think of it as a page composition and layout management framework. perhaps that language would be useful? On 12/6/06, Nathan Bubna [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hey now, Tiles works well without JSP too. :) I had a feeling that would come up :-) I just changed it to use your exact wording. Thanks, Greg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[RESULTS] Re: [VOTE] Tiles TLP
Great news. We have consensus regarding the fact that we should ask the board to approve the Tiles TLP Resolution. +1 - 10 0 - 0 -1 - 0 During voting a couple of things came up: 1) We should not submit the resolution with the original proposal. Instead, the resolution should suffice. 2) We may want to add a small self-referential description in order avoid the board requesting more info. #1 is easily enough to take care of. . .how do we go about adding a tiles description to the legal jargon in the resolution? Any examples? David David H. DeWolf wrote: I'd like to begin the vote on the Tiles TLP Proposal [1] and Resolution [2]. [] +1 = Yes, let's ask the board to establish the Tiles TLP [] +0 = I'm in favor, to some extent. [] -0 = I'm not in favor but won't prevent it from happening. [] -1 = I'd rather see Tiles stay here or go somewhere else. [1] http://wiki.apache.org/struts/TilesTopLevel [2] http://wiki.apache.org/struts/TilesTlpResolution - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RESULTS] Re: [VOTE] Tiles TLP
On 12/5/06, David H. DeWolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2) We may want to add a small self-referential description in order avoid the board requesting more info. small NON-self-referential description :) -Ted. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [VOTE] Tiles TLP
+1 = As a Struts PMC member, I am not apposed to the resolution, but as an individual committters, I am not joining in the petition to the board. One note on the Resolution, some elder projects like Struts and Cocoon got away with the self-referential description, but if anyone has a slightly more detailed description of Tiles, it might save a round of revisions. As Martin mentioned, you would not need to enclose the original proposal, but simply submit the resolution for the board's consideration. -Ted. David H. DeWolf wrote: I'd like to begin the vote on the Tiles TLP Proposal [1] and Resolution [2]. [] +1 = Yes, let's ask the board to establish the Tiles TLP [] +0 = I'm in favor, to some extent. [] -0 = I'm not in favor but won't prevent it from happening. [] -1 = I'd rather see Tiles stay here or go somewhere else. [1] http://wiki.apache.org/struts/TilesTopLevel [2] http://wiki.apache.org/struts/TilesTlpResolution - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [VOTE] Tiles TLP
+1. Sorry for the delay, I was out of town all weekend. Greg On Dec 2, 2006, at 7:19 PM, David H. DeWolf wrote: I'd like to begin the vote on the Tiles TLP Proposal [1] and Resolution [2]. [] +1 = Yes, let's ask the board to establish the Tiles TLP [] +0 = I'm in favor, to some extent. [] -0 = I'm not in favor but won't prevent it from happening. [] -1 = I'd rather see Tiles stay here or go somewhere else. [1] http://wiki.apache.org/struts/TilesTopLevel [2] http://wiki.apache.org/struts/TilesTlpResolution - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [VOTE] Tiles TLP
David H. DeWolf wrote: [x] +1 = Yes, let's ask the board to establish the Tiles TLP - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [VOTE] Tiles TLP
[x] +1 = Yes, let's ask the board to establish the Tiles TLP Antonio - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[VOTE] Tiles TLP
I'd like to begin the vote on the Tiles TLP Proposal [1] and Resolution [2]. [] +1 = Yes, let's ask the board to establish the Tiles TLP [] +0 = I'm in favor, to some extent. [] -0 = I'm not in favor but won't prevent it from happening. [] -1 = I'd rather see Tiles stay here or go somewhere else. [1] http://wiki.apache.org/struts/TilesTopLevel [2] http://wiki.apache.org/struts/TilesTlpResolution - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [VOTE] Tiles TLP
David H. DeWolf wrote: [x] +1 = Yes, let's ask the board to establish the Tiles TLP - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [VOTE] Tiles TLP
+1 David H. DeWolf wrote: I'd like to begin the vote on the Tiles TLP Proposal [1] and Resolution [2]. [] +1 = Yes, let's ask the board to establish the Tiles TLP [] +0 = I'm in favor, to some extent. [] -0 = I'm not in favor but won't prevent it from happening. [] -1 = I'd rather see Tiles stay here or go somewhere else. [1] http://wiki.apache.org/struts/TilesTopLevel [2] http://wiki.apache.org/struts/TilesTlpResolution - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [VOTE] Tiles TLP
On 12/2/06, David H. DeWolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [X] +1 = Yes, let's ask the board to establish the Tiles TLP Craig
Re: [VOTE] Tiles TLP
On 12/2/06, David H. DeWolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd like to begin the vote on the Tiles TLP Proposal [1] and Resolution [2]. [X] +1 = Yes, let's ask the board to establish the Tiles TLP [] +0 = I'm in favor, to some extent. [] -0 = I'm not in favor but won't prevent it from happening. [] -1 = I'd rather see Tiles stay here or go somewhere else. While I'm in favour of asking the board to establish the TLP, I'd like to point out that the proposal document itself isn't necessary, at least in its current form. The way it's written is what would be required if we were presenting Tiles for incubation. Since we're not going that route, and will simply be asking the board to approve Tiles as a TLP, we can be much more brief. (For example, the cover letter to the resolution to make Struts a TLP was little more than three sentences.) Also, I've just made a few changes to the resolution, changing Tiles to Apache Tiles in most places, and cleaning up some of the wording. It looks pretty clean now - or at least as clean as the Struts one was when we submitted it. :-) -- Martin Cooper [1] http://wiki.apache.org/struts/TilesTopLevel [2] http://wiki.apache.org/struts/TilesTlpResolution - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [VOTE] Tiles TLP
+1 On 12/2/06, David H. DeWolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd like to begin the vote on the Tiles TLP Proposal [1] and Resolution [2]. [] +1 = Yes, let's ask the board to establish the Tiles TLP [] +0 = I'm in favor, to some extent. [] -0 = I'm not in favor but won't prevent it from happening. [] -1 = I'd rather see Tiles stay here or go somewhere else. [1] http://wiki.apache.org/struts/TilesTopLevel [2] http://wiki.apache.org/struts/TilesTlpResolution - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [VOTE] Tiles TLP
On 12/2/06, David H. DeWolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd like to begin the vote on the Tiles TLP Proposal [1] and Resolution [2]. [] +1 = Yes, let's ask the board to establish the Tiles TLP [] +0 = I'm in favor, to some extent. [] -0 = I'm not in favor but won't prevent it from happening. [] -1 = I'd rather see Tiles stay here or go somewhere else. +1 -- Wendy - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
