Re: Proposed W3C Charters: All Groups, Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI)

2015-03-02 Thread Karl Dubost
Anne, David,

Le 3 mars 2015 à 05:15, Anne van Kesteren ann...@annevk.nl a écrit :
 1) Stop any kind of Member-only activity. Require coordination and
 discussion in public.

It seems it's part of their intent without stopping totally. 
Some groups indeed seem to be in between

In http://www.w3.org/2012/10/draft-pfwg-charter
 • Kept group chartered to operate in Member space when needed, but stated 
 that work will now default to public space. Existing projects will be moved 
 to public space, though legacy resources (old minutes, issue tracking, etc.) 
 cannot be moved due to confidentiality change restrictions.


In http://www.w3.org/2013/04/draft-wcag-charter
 Some communications between editors may be member-confidential.


In http://www.w3.org/WAI/AU/2013/draft_auwg_charter.html
 Proceedings are Public. Some communications between editors and/or during the 
 implementation testing period may be member-confidential.

In http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/2013/draft_uawg_charter
 Some communications between editors and/or during the implementation testing 
 period may be member-confidential.
 …
 Proceedings are Public. Some communications between editors and/or during the 
 implementation testing period may be member-confidential.


The only group which stays completely Member-only is the WAI Coordination Group 
Charter
In http://www.w3.org/WAI/CG/charter5.html
 Proceedings are Member-only


This is strange given that the list of Group dependencies are public only 
groups.
http://www.w3.org/WAI/CG/charter5.html#coordination
And in the list of activities, there is nothing which seems to require 
Member-only confidentiality.
Checking their mailing list archives I do not see anything which seem to 
require to be Member Confidential.
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-wai-cg/

Or to the opposite most messages seem of public interest.


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Proposed W3C Charters: All Groups, Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI)

2015-03-02 Thread L. David Baron
The W3C is proposing revised charters for nearly all of the working
groups in the Web Accessibility Initiative (all except Independent
User Interface):

  https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-new-work/2015Feb/0007.html

  Accessible Platform Architectures Working Group (APA WG)
  (Formerly the Protocols and Formats Working Group)
  http://www.w3.org/2012/10/draft-pfwg-charter

  Web Content Accessibility Guidelines Working Group (WCAG WG)
  http://www.w3.org/2013/04/draft-wcag-charter

  Authoring Tool Accessibility Guidelines Working Group (ATAG WG)
  http://www.w3.org/WAI/AU/2013/draft_auwg_charter.html

  User Agent Accessibility Guidelines Working Group (UAWG)
  http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/2013/draft_uawg_charter

  Evaluation and Repair Tools Working Group (ERT WG)
  http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/charter5.html

  Education and Outreach Working Group (EOWG)
  http://www.w3.org/WAI/EO/2013/charter6

  Research and Development Working Group (RDWG)
  http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/charter4.html

  WAI Interest Group (WAI IG)
  http://www.w3.org/WAI/IG/charter5.html

  WAI Coordination Group (WAI CG)
  http://www.w3.org/WAI/CG/charter5.html

Mozilla has the opportunity to send comments or objections through
Monday, March 23.

Please reply to this thread if you think there's something we should
say as part of this charter review, or whether you think we should
explicitly abstain.  (Note that we can only explicitly abstain from
the set of charters as a whole, not individually, at least on the
ballot form, though I suppose we could do so in prose.)

-David

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Re: Proposed W3C Charters: All Groups, Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI)

2015-03-02 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 7:57 PM, L. David Baron dba...@dbaron.org wrote:
 Please reply to this thread if you think there's something we should
 say as part of this charter review, or whether you think we should
 explicitly abstain.  (Note that we can only explicitly abstain from
 the set of charters as a whole, not individually, at least on the
 ballot form, though I suppose we could do so in prose.)

High-level comments that might be worth making would be:

1) Stop any kind of Member-only activity. Require coordination and
discussion in public.

2) Merge the public discussion list and the WG list as e.g. WebApps
and other groups have it so everyone is on equal footing.


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