Re: XULRunner on OS X, Why is not supported?
On Nov 8, 3:46 pm, richardson.balca...@gmail.com wrote: I was just reading the effort of installing open web apps locally, I'm assuming the strategy shift that I'm talking about is that Mozilla is betting on Firefox as their application framework, that would make sense not to support Xulrunner anymore. I would like to see how could one use the native stuff like platform specific stuff (Cocoa for example) on this open web apps. Don't get me wrong I love Web technologies but an HTML TAB is never going to feel the same as the OS Native TAB. If by TAB you mean the UI element (and not the soft drink, or something else), then I think it's worth pointing out that, on OS X, the tabs in your Firefox window aren't native. They are XUL stylized to look like native tabs (CSS at https://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/browser/themes/pinstripe/browser.css#2113). There's nothing preventing you from stylizing HTML the same way. Simon ___ dev-platform mailing list dev-platform@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-platform
Re: XULRunner on OS X, Why is not supported?
El miércoles, 7 de noviembre de 2012 15:28:58 UTC-4, Dave Townsend escribió: At first I tried for a couple of days to try to get xulrunner 16.0.2 to work on my OSX 10.6, until I understoo it wasn't working at all running the 'xulrunner -v' will return an 'error' string where the version should come out. Looking in forums such as this I found out it is a well known error, that there is actually a bug reported from last year about it, which does not have anybody working on it. Can you let us know what the bug number was? We still try to keep XULRunner working on all platforms and I hadn't heard that there were any problems on OSX recently. Long term it should be said that Mozilla isn't committed to supporting XULRunner. At some point if the work required to keep it working is too much it will likely be dropped permanently. For now we try to keep an eye on it and fix problems as they arise which is thankfully rare. Dave, https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=699966 This is the ticket for the bug. ___ dev-platform mailing list dev-platform@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-platform
Re: XULRunner on OS X, Why is not supported?
I believe my question is, if Mozilla is taking out their app development platform not 'XUL' per se. How would they promote openness, innovation and opportunity on the web, only by giving us the opportunity of doing so in extensions on a browser? What's the strategy? Is not clear where is this going? ___ dev-platform mailing list dev-platform@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-platform
Re: XULRunner on OS X, Why is not supported?
On 11/8/2012 2:06 PM, richardson.balca...@gmail.com wrote: I believe my question is, if Mozilla is taking out their app development platform not 'XUL' per se. How would they promote openness, innovation and opportunity on the web, only by giving us the opportunity of doing so in extensions on a browser? What's the strategy? Is not clear where is this going? How is on the web not clear? Our mission is to promote the growth of the web, not native desktop applications. XUL is simply a means to an end that we use to produce Firefox. Promoting XUL does not help the web. XULRunner is an artifact of the process we use to build Firefox. It's never been officially supported, but we continue to release builds because people find them useful. If you're looking for a well-supported framework for building general desktop apps you should look elsewhere. -Ted ___ dev-platform mailing list dev-platform@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-platform
Re: XULRunner on OS X, Why is not supported?
I was just reading the effort of installing open web apps locally, I'm assuming the strategy shift that I'm talking about is that Mozilla is betting on Firefox as their application framework, that would make sense not to support Xulrunner anymore. I would like to see how could one use the native stuff like platform specific stuff (Cocoa for example) on this open web apps. Don't get me wrong I love Web technologies but an HTML TAB is never going to feel the same as the OS Native TAB. Xulrunner gives that bridge of developing in the Web technologies, with multiplatform capabilities and still make use of the native stuff. A lot of nice applications are still being developed with xulrunner. Still having your own executable you are still able to distribute your application in a different manner than using the web. ___ dev-platform mailing list dev-platform@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-platform
Re: XULRunner on OS X, Why is not supported?
On 11/08/12 12:46, richardson.balca...@gmail.com wrote: I was just reading the effort of installing open web apps locally, I'm assuming the strategy shift that I'm talking about is that Mozilla is betting on Firefox as their application framework, that would make sense not to support Xulrunner anymore. I would like to see how could one use the native stuff like platform specific stuff (Cocoa for example) on this open web apps. Don't get me wrong I love Web technologies but an HTML TAB is never going to feel the same as the OS Native TAB. I guess it depends specifically what platform specific stuff you're talking about, but we are betting on the web, and where the web doesn't give you enough then extending the web by defining standards and supports for more capabilities. See for example all the APIs that are being developed in the B2G project. ___ dev-platform mailing list dev-platform@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-platform
Re: XULRunner on OS X, Why is not supported?
Hi Richard, I would love to get more support for xulrunner given that I have already spent 3 year on xulrunner-based application but I am getting none. My advice is to stay away from it. It is clear that Mozilla is not taking this product anywhere. If you like to do stuff in Markup and Javascript than stick to HTML and create your own wrapper with Webkit because Gecko is really hard to use. Do the native stuff natively and the main interface in HTML, JavaScript and CSS. It works. Moreover, fiddling with XPCOM is not worth the effort - I am talking from personal experience. You may as well implement stuff natively instead of spending countless of hours tracing weird bugs. On Tuesday, November 6, 2012 9:58:39 PM UTC, richardso...@gmail.com wrote: At first I tried for a couple of days to try to get xulrunner 16.0.2 to work on my OSX 10.6, until I understoo it wasn't working at all running the 'xulrunner -v' will return an 'error' string where the version should come out. Looking in forums such as this I found out it is a well known error, that there is actually a bug reported from last year about it, which does not have anybody working on it. So I changed my focus to 'Macports' they have two packages available where only 'xulrunner-devel' which is at version 2.0, actually worked. I got in contact with the previous maintainer and he dropped the support for the package 9 months ago because it was taking too much of his time to maintain the package, he said that he kept battling with the code making bug reports to get each version to work on OS X. Well enough, I got to an understanding that the platform is supported primarly to have FF or TB be able to work on OSX, were this project have their own maintainers, for what I'm seeing it is my deduction that the mac compilation is being done automatically and nobody is actually taking the time to try it out on OS X platform. By making post I would like to raise concern about this, probably the use of xulrunner on OS X is not very popular I would say that nobody has asked for this before. I could surely go about and start taking care of this myself, although I would like to get more acquainted with the platform to understand more the parts of it. Currently I've developed an extension and now I'm going to start my first application which I'm kind of stuck using version 2.0 of the platform. I'm not sure if I'm really the only one with this issue, but surely I would like to hear from anyone else if they themselves would like to see xulrunner be more compatible with OS X, and if can't be more compatible why is that to see if any of us can help. ___ dev-platform mailing list dev-platform@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-platform
Re: XULRunner on OS X, Why is not supported?
On 11/06/12 13:58, richardson.balca...@gmail.com wrote: At first I tried for a couple of days to try to get xulrunner 16.0.2 to work on my OSX 10.6, until I understoo it wasn't working at all running the 'xulrunner -v' will return an 'error' string where the version should come out. Looking in forums such as this I found out it is a well known error, that there is actually a bug reported from last year about it, which does not have anybody working on it. Can you let us know what the bug number was? We still try to keep XULRunner working on all platforms and I hadn't heard that there were any problems on OSX recently. Long term it should be said that Mozilla isn't committed to supporting XULRunner. At some point if the work required to keep it working is too much it will likely be dropped permanently. For now we try to keep an eye on it and fix problems as they arise which is thankfully rare. ___ dev-platform mailing list dev-platform@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-platform
