Re: UsrMove feature breaking yum upgrade upgrades from older releases to F17?

2012-01-28 Thread Miloslav Trmač
On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 7:43 PM, Jef Spaleta jspal...@gmail.com wrote:
 If you haven't read the new summary write-up on the benefits of the
 /user feature that I think you would benefit from reading it.
 http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/TheCaseForTheUsrMerge

 If you have read it, then I fear you either don't fully understand or
 do not value the long term benefits associated with the filesystem
 snapshotting nor the utility of having read-only shared vendor
 supplied /usr across many guest instances.

Apart from fixing things that are not a problem[1], the
stateless/snapshotting benefits are, AFAIK, just vaporware promises.
I can't see they can work as stated because /etc and /var are quite
strongly bound to the details of contents of the newly proposed /usr -
and these objections were raised back when FESCo first discussed this
feature.

Actually getting a stateless system would require first defining what
is state and what is OS (and that question will have several
different answers, for good reasons!), and then doing the actual work
of separating the two.  We already have a readonly-root facility in
initscripts, and I think that one is doing it right - giving the
people that want to use these (non-default, comparatively rarely-used
and site-specific) features the power to create a stateless system
without burdening the most common users with it.
Mirek

[1] Improved compatibility with Solaris - Seriously? We didn't need
that level of compatibility back when Linux was a small niche, why
would we care now? I feel mildly insulted by that argument.
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Re: UsrMove feature breaking yum upgrade upgrades from older releases to F17?

2012-01-28 Thread Ralf Corsepius

On 01/28/2012 10:47 AM, Miloslav Trmač wrote:


[1] Improved compatibility with Solaris - Seriously? We didn't need
that level of compatibility back when Linux was a small niche, why
would we care now?



I feel mildly insulted by that argument.

Why stop with Solaris compatibility and not mimick Windows?
No /usr, no /bin = /redhat. Seems to be the spirit behind all this.

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Re: UsrMove feature breaking yum upgrade upgrades from older releases to F17?

2012-01-28 Thread phantomjinx
Morning people,

Having just caught onto this thread about half way through and now read
the various pages concerning the topic, I am still in the dark about
going forward.

I have 3 machines running F15 that I am upgrading to F16 shortly. I have
been using yum to upgrade 2 of them since Fedora Core 1 so that is my
usual upgrade path. All of them have a separate /usr partition and it is
extra hassle for me to unite the partitions.

I understand that things could gracefully break once the /usr merge has
occurred. Therefore, is there a resource to explain how to 'pre-mount
/usr into the initramfs' to avoid the breakages please? Is this
possible? Would uniting the partitions be the only possibility?

This is intended as pragmatic questions since I am at this moment quite
neutral/ignorant on the finer points of this discussion.

Thanks

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Re: Fedora 17’s unified filesystem (/usr-move)

2012-01-28 Thread Josh Boyer
On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 5:57 PM, John Ellson john.ell...@comcast.net wrote:
 Another issue is that I have:

    /bin/sh: error while loading shared libraries: libc.so.6: cannot open
 shared object file: No such file or directory
   [    1.796642] Kernel panic - not syncing:  attempted to kill init!

 when trying to boot kernel-3.3.0-0.rc1.git4.1.fc17.i686 from f17-usrmove
 repo.    Reverting to kernel-3.3.0-0.rc1.git3.1.fc17.i686 from the Rawhide
 repo works ok.

That means your initramfs for the git4.1 kernel is probably broken.  It has
nothing to do with the kernel itself.

There is a patch needed for kernel.spec eventually, but it isn't integrated
yet and I think the patch I've seen needs to be updated slightly.

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Re: Rawhide build failure (Requires: /usr/sbin/ldconfig)

2012-01-28 Thread Daniel J Walsh
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On 01/27/2012 09:16 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
 On Fri, 2012-01-27 at 16:36 -0500, Daniel J Walsh wrote:
 On 01/27/2012 04:13 PM, Rex Dieter wrote:
 Roland Grunberg wrote:
 
 I noticed that libselinux was just updated to have ldconfig
 in /usr/sbin/ as per : 
 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/UsrMove.
 
 It seems glibc hasn't yet been update though and I'm getting
 the following when attempting a scratch build in rawhide.
 
 Righto, moved the offending libselinux-2.1.9-5.fc17 build to 
 f17-usrmove tag instead.
 
 -- rex
 
 
 Oops, I thought we could build packages now.  I also built an
 updated policycoreutils...
 
 When are we throwing the big switch in Rawhide?
 
 Well, if I were the Big Kahuna, I'd like at least a few successful
 tests of the migration, a test of a fresh install of F17 with the
 changed packages (we can build images to do this), and possibly a
 definite resolution to the reservations some still seem to have
 about the requirements for patched rpm and stuff. Dennis?


Ok the problem with that is people like me run in rawhide all the time
to try to prevent other people seeing SELinux Hickups.  So the sooner
I see major changes the better.  Do we have a yum repository I could
point at to switch my machine to the new usrmove environment.
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Re: Rawhide build failure (Requires: /usr/sbin/ldconfig)

2012-01-28 Thread Frank Murphy

On 28/01/12 12:30, Daniel J Walsh wrote:



Ok the problem with that is people like me run in rawhide all the time
to try to prevent other people seeing SELinux Hickups.  So the sooner
I see major changes the better.  Do we have a yum repository I could
point at to switch my machine to the new usrmove environment.


Full instructions:
https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2012-January/161761.html#

Add f17-usrmove in the file /etc/yum.repos.d/f17-usrmove.repo
 [f17-usrmove]
 name=Fedora $releasever - $basearch
 failovermethod=priority
 baseurl=http://koji.fedoraproject.org/repos/f17-usrmove/latest/$basearch
 enabled=1
 metadata_expire=1d
 gpgcheck=0

# yum clean all
# yum upgrade


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Re: Rolling release Fedora - fantastic idea

2012-01-28 Thread Andrew Wyatt

On 01/27/2012 10:50 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote:
You can make your fork of Fedora roll all you want, but please leave 
us in peace!

Good luck! ^^

 Kevin Kofler



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Re: UsrMove feature breaking yum upgrade upgrades from older releases to F17?

2012-01-28 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Fri, 27.01.12 22:40, Kevin Kofler (kevin.kof...@chello.at) wrote:

 Toshio Kuratomi wrote:
  people targetting FHS compliant systems (unless the FHS changes)
 
 That's the biggest flaw of this feature: It violates the FHS!

You know, not even its former editor seems to to believe that (or that
it was a problem), judging by the message this sarcastic posting of his sends:

http://rusty.ozlabs.org/?p=236

;-)

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Re: UsrMove feature breaking yum upgrade upgrades from older releases to F17?

2012-01-28 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Sat, 28.01.12 11:29, Ralf Corsepius (rc040...@freenet.de) wrote:

 On 01/28/2012 10:47 AM, Miloslav Trmač wrote:
 
 [1] Improved compatibility with Solaris - Seriously? We didn't need
 that level of compatibility back when Linux was a small niche, why
 would we care now?
 
 I feel mildly insulted by that argument.
 Why stop with Solaris compatibility and not mimick Windows?
 No /usr, no /bin = /redhat. Seems to be the spirit behind all this.

Actually we originally wanted to rename /usr to C:\PROGA~1\ but we
feared FESCO might not agree to that, on grounds that backslashes might
be too hard to type on the shell prompt! But we'll propose that for F18,
OK?

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Re: Fedora 17’s unified filesystem (/usr-move)

2012-01-28 Thread John Ellson

On 01/28/2012 06:48 AM, Josh Boyer wrote:

On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 5:57 PM, John Ellsonjohn.ell...@comcast.net  wrote:

Another issue is that I have:

/bin/sh: error while loading shared libraries: libc.so.6: cannot open
shared object file: No such file or directory
   [1.796642] Kernel panic - not syncing:  attempted to kill init!

when trying to boot kernel-3.3.0-0.rc1.git4.1.fc17.i686 from f17-usrmove
repo.Reverting to kernel-3.3.0-0.rc1.git3.1.fc17.i686 from the Rawhide
repo works ok.

That means your initramfs for the git4.1 kernel is probably broken.  It has
nothing to do with the kernel itself.

There is a patch needed for kernel.spec eventually, but it isn't integrated
yet and I think the patch I've seen needs to be updated slightly.

josh


Is there a workaround, or do I need to wait for a kernel update?
I tried to rebuild initramfs using:

dracut -f initramfs-3.3.0-0.rc1.git4.1.fc17.i686.img 
3.3.0-0.rc1.git4.1.fc17.i686


but that made no difference.


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Re: UsrMove feature breaking yum upgrade upgrades from older releases to F17?

2012-01-28 Thread Adam Williamson
On Sat, 2012-01-28 at 11:27 +, phantomjinx wrote:
 Morning people,
 
 Having just caught onto this thread about half way through and now read
 the various pages concerning the topic, I am still in the dark about
 going forward.
 
 I have 3 machines running F15 that I am upgrading to F16 shortly. I have
 been using yum to upgrade 2 of them since Fedora Core 1 so that is my
 usual upgrade path. All of them have a separate /usr partition and it is
 extra hassle for me to unite the partitions.
 
 I understand that things could gracefully break once the /usr merge has
 occurred. Therefore, is there a resource to explain how to 'pre-mount
 /usr into the initramfs' to avoid the breakages please? Is this
 possible? Would uniting the partitions be the only possibility?
 
 This is intended as pragmatic questions since I am at this moment quite
 neutral/ignorant on the finer points of this discussion.

As far as F16 goes, you have nothing to worry about; the change is not
happening in F16. It's planned for F17.
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Re: Rawhide build failure (Requires: /usr/sbin/ldconfig)

2012-01-28 Thread Adam Williamson
On Sat, 2012-01-28 at 07:30 -0500, Daniel J Walsh wrote:
 On 01/27/2012 09:16 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
  On Fri, 2012-01-27 at 16:36 -0500, Daniel J Walsh wrote:
  On 01/27/2012 04:13 PM, Rex Dieter wrote:
  Roland Grunberg wrote:
  
  I noticed that libselinux was just updated to have ldconfig
  in /usr/sbin/ as per : 
  https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/UsrMove.
  
  It seems glibc hasn't yet been update though and I'm getting
  the following when attempting a scratch build in rawhide.
  
  Righto, moved the offending libselinux-2.1.9-5.fc17 build to 
  f17-usrmove tag instead.
  
  -- rex
  
  
  Oops, I thought we could build packages now.  I also built an
  updated policycoreutils...
  
  When are we throwing the big switch in Rawhide?
  
  Well, if I were the Big Kahuna, I'd like at least a few successful
  tests of the migration, a test of a fresh install of F17 with the
  changed packages (we can build images to do this), and possibly a
  definite resolution to the reservations some still seem to have
  about the requirements for patched rpm and stuff. Dennis?
 
 
 Ok the problem with that is people like me run in rawhide all the time
 to try to prevent other people seeing SELinux Hickups.  So the sooner
 I see major changes the better.  Do we have a yum repository I could
 point at to switch my machine to the new usrmove environment.

There were instructions in the announcement thread on exactly how you
can test the changes right now.
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Re: Rolling release Fedora - fantastic idea

2012-01-28 Thread Robert 'Bob' Jensen

- Andrew Wyatt and...@fuduntu.org wrote:
 
 Way to represent Fedora by being a jerk.

Way to represent Fedora by being a jerk.

Next time try to be excellent to each other. Two things I personally get 
tired of reading. A rhetorical question comes to mind Would you rather he was 
excellent to you and lied saying it's a splendid idea when he feels differently 
just to spare hurting your feelings? Kevin represents himself not Fedora. He 
is an individual and is free to his opinions. 

The rolling release idea comes up annually and a lot of developers/contributors 
get tired of wasting time sending and reading emails about it. Another is a 
long term release, I can't count how many times that has come up in the last 
few years. I'll not apologize for Kevin's response because honestly, I agree 
with him.

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Re: Rolling release Fedora - fantastic idea

2012-01-28 Thread Andrew Wyatt

On 01/28/2012 10:35 AM, Robert 'Bob' Jensen wrote:

- Andrew Wyattand...@fuduntu.org  wrote:

Way to represent Fedora by being a jerk.

Way to represent Fedora by being a jerk.

Next time try to be excellent to each other. Two things I personally get tired of 
reading. A rhetorical question comes to mind Would you rather he was excellent to you and 
lied saying it's a splendid idea when he feels differently just to spare hurting your 
feelings? Kevin represents himself not Fedora. He is an individual and is free to his 
opinions.

The rolling release idea comes up annually and a lot of developers/contributors 
get tired of wasting time sending and reading emails about it. Another is a 
long term release, I can't count how many times that has come up in the last 
few years. I'll not apologize for Kevin's response because honestly, I agree 
with him.

-- Bob
I didn't call him a jerk because he disagreed about the potential of 
Fedora as a rolling release.  I called him a jerk for being a jerk.  I 
offered nothing but praise for Fedora, and he started the response with 
just go away.


There is a difference between disagreeing, and being an asshat.

Back on topic.  It wouldn't continue to come up if people didn't see 
value in it.  Simply discarding the idea because a lot of developers 
feel that it's a waste of time is not valid criticism of the idea.


If you can't count how many times it has come up, perhaps you should 
investigate it because there is obviously potential in the idea.

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Re: Rolling release Fedora - fantastic idea

2012-01-28 Thread Robert 'Bob' Jensen

- Andrew Wyatt and...@fuduntu.org wrote:

 I didn't call him a jerk because he disagreed about the potential of
 Fedora as a rolling release.  I called him a jerk for being a jerk.  I
 offered nothing but praise for Fedora, and he started the response
 with
 just go away.
 
 There is a difference between disagreeing, and being an asshat.
 
 Back on topic.  It wouldn't continue to come up if people didn't see
 value in it.  Simply discarding the idea because a lot of developers
 feel that it's a waste of time is not valid criticism of the idea.
 
 If you can't count how many times it has come up, perhaps you should
 investigate it because there is obviously potential in the idea.

I should stay out of the technical dead horse/discussion and stick to offensive 
behavior that is my specialty but I feel I need to respond one more time. 

Value to who? Some random $BRIGHTIDEAGENERATOR who has no idea of the amount of 
work involved for those that actually do the work? 1 for and 100 against 
because it is the 100 that will have to do the work to make the 1 happy? The 
$BRIGHTIDEAGENERATOR always says Oh I can help do the work. Then after they 
look at the reality of the situation discover what is actually involved from an 
engineering standpoint... they turn in to vapor. There was just a 60 message 
thread on this topic, why start another flamefest thread of doom?

Sorry again, I disagree. 

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Re: Rolling release Fedora - fantastic idea

2012-01-28 Thread Jos Vos
On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 11:15:11AM -0600, Andrew Wyatt wrote:

 Back on topic.  It wouldn't continue to come up if people didn't see 
 value in it.  Simply discarding the idea because a lot of developers 
 feel that it's a waste of time is not valid criticism of the idea.
 
 If you can't count how many times it has come up, perhaps you should 
 investigate it because there is obviously potential in the idea.

Maybe it's good to create a wiki page or so with a FAQ about both the
rolling release and the long term support issue, explaining why these
things do not exist and why people in general think it's a bad idea.

If people still want to argue *after* reading this FAQ, they should
have really good arguments.  The arguments in the original mail about
the success of mixing up things are by no means impressing, this
is just stating he's lucky enough to not come across all the possible
problems (and I'm sure there are *many* of them).

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Re: Rolling release Fedora - fantastic idea

2012-01-28 Thread Andrew Wyatt

On 01/28/2012 11:23 AM, Kevin Fenzi wrote:

On Sat, 28 Jan 2012 11:15:11 -0600
Andrew Wyattand...@fuduntu.org  wrote:

...snip...


Back on topic.  It wouldn't continue to come up if people didn't see
value in it.  Simply discarding the idea because a lot of
developers feel that it's a waste of time is not valid criticism
of the idea.

If you can't count how many times it has come up, perhaps you
should investigate it because there is obviously potential in the
idea.

I think the way forward is the one I outlined in:
http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2012-January/161632.html

Until those interested can organize and present a compelling case, I
fear threads like this one aren't too much use.

kevin



+1

I don't have time to champion something like this with all of my other 
responsibilities but I would be happy to contribute should such a 
project come to exist.
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Re: Rolling release Fedora - fantastic idea

2012-01-28 Thread Andrew Wyatt

On 01/28/2012 10:59 AM, Robert 'Bob' Jensen wrote:

- Andrew Wyattand...@fuduntu.org  wrote:


I didn't call him a jerk because he disagreed about the potential of
Fedora as a rolling release.  I called him a jerk for being a jerk.  I
offered nothing but praise for Fedora, and he started the response
with
just go away.

There is a difference between disagreeing, and being an asshat.

Back on topic.  It wouldn't continue to come up if people didn't see
value in it.  Simply discarding the idea because a lot of developers
feel that it's a waste of time is not valid criticism of the idea.

If you can't count how many times it has come up, perhaps you should
investigate it because there is obviously potential in the idea.

I should stay out of the technical dead horse/discussion and stick to offensive 
behavior that is my specialty but I feel I need to respond one more time.

Value to who? Some random $BRIGHTIDEAGENERATOR who has no idea of the amount of work 
involved for those that actually do the work? 1 for and 100 against because it is the 100 
that will have to do the work to make the 1 happy? The $BRIGHTIDEAGENERATOR always says 
Oh I can help do the work. Then after they look at the reality of the 
situation discover what is actually involved from an engineering standpoint... they turn 
in to vapor. There was just a 60 message thread on this topic, why start another 
flamefest thread of doom?

Sorry again, I disagree.

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The downstream benefit to my project is substantial enough that I would 
be happy to stick around and help.

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Re: Rolling release Fedora - fantastic idea

2012-01-28 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 07:41:47AM -0600, Andrew Wyatt wrote:
 On 01/27/2012 10:50 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote:
 You can make your fork of Fedora roll all you want, but please
 leave us in peace!
 Good luck! ^^
 
  Kevin Kofler
 
 
 Way to represent Fedora by being a jerk.

Just as a reminder, everyone taking part in Fedora is expected to follow 
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Community_working_group/Code_of_Conduct - 
I appreciate that Kevin's response was inflammatory, but there's no need 
to go further than that.

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Re: UsrMove feature breaking yum upgrade upgrades from older releases to F17?

2012-01-28 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
2012/1/28 Ralf Corsepius rc040...@freenet.de:

 Why stop with Solaris compatibility and not mimick Windows?
 No /usr, no /bin = /redhat. Seems to be the spirit behind all this.

 Ralf


The rhetoric spoils the argument. Various people inside of Red Hat are
either for this, against this, wanting to see where the train wreck
will end, thinking this is the greatest innovation since Unix, etc.
All the rhetoric does is cause people (inside and outside of Red Hat)
to rally more around that idea no matter how silly than allow the idea
to be looked at, valued for its merits and then discarded or kept.

I would like to think that after 8 years of this same argument, and
its ineffectiveness it would time to do something else.



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Re: Fedora 17’s unified filesystem (/usr-move)

2012-01-28 Thread John Ellson

On 01/27/2012 05:57 PM, John Ellson wrote:

On 01/27/2012 08:10 AM, Harald Hoyer wrote:

Hello Testers and rawhide Users,

Fedora 17 will locate the entire base operating system in /usr. The 
directories

/bin, /sbin, /lib, /lib64 will only be symlinks:
  /bin → /usr/bin
  /sbin → /usr/sbin
  /lib → /usr/lib
  /lib64 → /usr/lib64



Mostly worked as described.


One issue is that the default user's PATH needs to be cleaned up:

/usr/local/bin:/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/sbin:/sbin:/home/guest/.local/bin:/home/guest/bin



...


There may be a similar problem with ldconfig.At the moment  
ldconfig -p show most libs being resolved from /lib instead of from 
/usr/lib.




I'm not against this change,  but it would be better if it resulted in a 
performance gain rather than a performance loss.


I wrote a test to stat() the 2000+ files in /usr/bin/*, or /bin/*,  100 
times.


The time cost of a stat() of /usr/bin/foo was ~ 12.4 microseconds; the 
time cost of a stat() of /bin/foo was ~17.8 microseconds.


So to me, it is important that the default PATHs are changed to minimize 
the traversal of softlinks.


At the moment, having /bin early in the PATH means that a softlink has 
been *introduced* into most lookups, thus degrading performance.

The same issue exists for libs.


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Re: Fedora 17’s unified filesystem (/usr-move)

2012-01-28 Thread Garrett Holmstrom

On 2012-01-27 5:10, Harald Hoyer wrote:

Any files with conflicting names, which the conversion could not resolve, will
be backed up to files named *.usrmove~ residing in /usr/lib, /usr/lib64,
/usr/bin and /usr/sbin.


To which file does the conversion script append this suffix when it 
resolves a conflict:  the one under / or the one under /usr?

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Re: Rolling release Fedora - fantastic idea

2012-01-28 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 01/28/2012 05:40 AM, Andrew Wyatt wrote:
 I read the list thread concerning a Fedora rolling release distribution,
 and I found it interesting enough to compel me to join the list and
 weigh in.
 
 First, I think a rolling release Fedora is a fantastic idea.  I'm
 certain that it's possible, since I've been pulling packages from 15,
 16, and Rawhide downstream to Fuduntu which still has a lot of 14 left
 at it's core with much success.

Would you be willing to lead such a project considering you are already
doing some of this work?  That would be useful.  You can look at Kevin
Fenzi's mail, create a wiki page detailing your proposal and invite
people to work with you.   It seems we have a bunch of enthusiasm but
this needs to move beyond that if it is supposed to materialize into
anything substantial.

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Re: Rolling release Fedora - fantastic idea

2012-01-28 Thread Genes MailLists
On 01/28/2012 12:23 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
 On Sat, 28 Jan 2012 11:15:11 -0600
 Andrew Wyatt and...@fuduntu.org wrote:
 
 ...snip...
 

...

 
 I think the way forward is the one I outlined in: 
 http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2012-January/161632.html
 
 Until those interested can organize and present a compelling case, I
 fear threads like this one aren't too much use. 
 

  Possibly - but without the support from at least some of the Fedora
core team (fesco, board, key redhatters etc) and possibly some on the RH
business side recognizing some potential benefit in the enterprise
setting, this is quite likely not to go too far .. and so far I'm not
aware of much support for this ..

  This can of course be because these key folk, after careful
consideration,  do not see it as a viable choice to make for Fedora
and/or ultimately its impact on RHEL.

  They are, after all, key players for good reason(s) ... I cannot
imagine they are not familiar with the pros/cons of such an approach.

  The benefits/drawbacks of a rolling release are rather well known
these days (notwithstanding those that somehow still believe rawhide is
a rolling release .. :-) )...

   Given that, do folks still believe it could be worthwhile for the
rolling-releasers to build a case in a wiki somewhere?

  gene



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Re: Rolling release Fedora - fantastic idea

2012-01-28 Thread Robert 'Bob' Jensen

- Genes MailLists li...@sapience.com wrote:
 
   Possibly - but without the support from at least some of the Fedora
 core team (fesco, board, key redhatters etc) and possibly some on the
 RH
 business side recognizing some potential benefit in the enterprise
 setting, this is quite likely not to go too far .. and so far I'm not
 aware of much support for this ..
 
   This can of course be because these key folk, after careful
 consideration,  do not see it as a viable choice to make for Fedora
 and/or ultimately its impact on RHEL.
 
   They are, after all, key players for good reason(s) ... I cannot
 imagine they are not familiar with the pros/cons of such an approach.
 
   The benefits/drawbacks of a rolling release are rather well known
 these days (notwithstanding those that somehow still believe rawhide
 is
 a rolling release .. :-) )...
 
Given that, do folks still believe it could be worthwhile for the
 rolling-releasers to build a case in a wiki somewhere?
 

Gene, forgive me while I go off on a slight tangent forking the thread. 

I do not thing it is worthwhile for them to do so. There may already be a 
document somewhere on the wiki on this topic. It will never be found because 
since the day mediawiki was rolled out there has not been a usable search. I 
would think that taking a look at existing infrastructure tickets such as the 
one for getting a usable search for the wiki would be time better spent than 
writing more pages for the black hole that the wiki has become or dreaming 
about something that has been shot down repeatedly.

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Re: Rolling release Fedora - fantastic idea

2012-01-28 Thread Orion Poplawski

On 01/28/2012 04:26 PM, Robert 'Bob' Jensen wrote:

Gene, forgive me while I go off on a slight tangent forking the thread.

I do not thing it is worthwhile for them to do so. There may already be a 
document somewhere on the wiki on this topic. It will never be found because 
since the day mediawiki was rolled out there has not been a usable search. I 
would think that taking a look at existing infrastructure tickets such as the 
one for getting a usable search for the wiki would be time better spent than 
writing more pages for the black hole that the wiki has become or dreaming 
about something that has been shot down repeatedly.

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pulls up some relevant links:

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Release_Lifecycle_Proposals

and

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Stable_release_updates_vision

along with a couple other irrelevant links.  Doesn't seem that hard to find.

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Re: Rolling release Fedora - fantastic idea

2012-01-28 Thread Noah Hall
Fuduntu Dev here.

I'm not going to bore you all on how great rolling is, and how it's a
great model that works for everyone - I'll assume the good folks of
Fedora have already researched many different models. Instead, what
I'm going to talk about is the feasibility and the logistics.

Fuduntu didn't start out as a rolling release. We had versions for a
while, until we realised we were basically releasing newer snapshots
of our current software with slightly different defaults.

Having discussed it as a team, we decided to move to rolling - less
work for us to handle the repos and create images, less hassle for our
users to reinstall with each release just because we'd changed some
default package or updated something vital to a newer version. Our
users could just update, and we could just create images. Simples.

The transition was painless. I can't say I noticed much fallout, if
any. Perhaps fewt can remember some, but I can't. Our distro is pretty
stable, with new software - something that's a treat in the Linux
world.

However, it costs. Development time, it costs. There's 3 of us
packaging things, along with 3 newly initiated interns. It also costs
our users to some extent - there's no easy way for them to prevent
something upgrading. They have to roll with the flow. This doesn't
work out great for everyone. A project doing the same for Fedora would
need the backing of experienced developers with time or payment.
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Re: Rawhide build failure (Requires: /usr/sbin/ldconfig)

2012-01-28 Thread Kevin Kofler
Daniel J Walsh wrote:
 Oops, I thought we could build packages now.  I also built an updated
 policycoreutils...

And why didn't you untag the darn package? All our daily live image builds 
failed today because of this!

I moved your build to the f17-usrmove tag where it belongs. (Any packager 
can do this because neither f17 nor f17-usrmove are locked tags.)

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Re: Rolling release Fedora - fantastic idea

2012-01-28 Thread Kevin Kofler
Andrew Wyatt wrote:
 I didn't call him a jerk because he disagreed about the potential of
 Fedora as a rolling release.  I called him a jerk for being a jerk.  I
 offered nothing but praise for Fedora, and he started the response with
 just go away.

After seeing you boast about how at Fuduntu we have been working long and 
hard to complete the transition from Fedora to being completely self 
hosted, Today I would like to announce that we are officially forked. This 
means that we are now a self contained, self hosted distribution. and how 
Fuduntu has become an independent distribution, why would you think the 
Fedora community would still consider you part of itself?

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Re: Rolling release Fedora - fantastic idea

2012-01-28 Thread Phone contacts
I thought you didn't speak for the community. I'm sorry if forking hurt your 
feelings, but there really were only two options. Go forward and rework 
everything for 15 or 16, or fork. Fedora 14 was EOS, remember?

Besides, you have no right and no business telling me where I am or am not 
welcome.
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Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at wrote:

Andrew Wyatt wrote:
 I didn't call him a jerk because he disagreed about the potential of
 Fedora as a rolling release. I called him a jerk for being a jerk. I
 offered nothing but praise for Fedora, and he started the response with
 just go away.

After seeing you boast about how at Fuduntu we have been working long and 
hard to complete the transition from Fedora to being completely self 
hosted, Today I would like to announce that we are officially forked. This 
means that we are now a self contained, self hosted distribution. and how 
Fuduntu has become an independent distribution, why would you think the 
Fedora community would still consider you part of itself?

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Re: Rolling release Fedora - fantastic idea

2012-01-28 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 01/29/2012 06:12 AM, Noah Hall wrote:
 Fuduntu Dev here.
 
 I'm not going to bore you all on how great rolling is, and how it's a
 great model that works for everyone - I'll assume the good folks of
 Fedora have already researched many different models. Instead, what
 I'm going to talk about is the feasibility and the logistics.

It seems that Fuduntu can get together with Fedora by putting up a
proposal and leading the effort.  I don't see why not since you have a
bunch of people already doing something.  Seems like you guys would or
should have the technical know how.

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Re: F17 proposal - prerelease version name changes

2012-01-28 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 01/28/2012 07:30 AM, Adam Williamson wrote:

 
 It may, however, be worth doing something with the naming of TCs / RCs,
 as has been proposed in the past, because they do seem to confuse
 people.

Every TC and RC announcement should have a brief blurb on who it is
targeting and whats the exact change between them.  That would help.
Naming isn't as important. Setting expectations, is.

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Re: F17 proposal - prerelease version name changes

2012-01-28 Thread Adam Williamson
On Sun, 2012-01-29 at 11:14 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
 On 01/28/2012 07:30 AM, Adam Williamson wrote:
 
  
  It may, however, be worth doing something with the naming of TCs / RCs,
  as has been proposed in the past, because they do seem to confuse
  people.
 
 Every TC and RC announcement should have a brief blurb on who it is
 targeting and whats the exact change between them.  That would help.
 Naming isn't as important. Setting expectations, is.

The target doesn't change, the purpose of any TC or RC is always to test
it against the release criteria using the validation tests. There is a
link to the trac ticket, which usually describes the changes between TC
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File Directory-Queue-1.5.tar.gz uploaded to lookaside cache by stevetraylen

2012-01-28 Thread stevetraylen
A file has been added to the lookaside cache for perl-Directory-Queue:

5be9ae874aa49bf6f5ba64d33d99ed07  Directory-Queue-1.5.tar.gz
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[perl-Directory-Queue] Update to 1.5 rhbz#785073.

2012-01-28 Thread stevetraylen
commit 9d4ba5e1779fb20f1c67fa8f2fedc5ce87f39457
Author: Steve Traylen steve.tray...@cern.ch
Date:   Sat Jan 28 11:13:00 2012 +0100

Update to 1.5 rhbz#785073.

 .gitignore|1 +
 perl-Directory-Queue.spec |7 +--
 sources   |2 +-
 3 files changed, 7 insertions(+), 3 deletions(-)
---
diff --git a/.gitignore b/.gitignore
index c925905..7754453 100644
--- a/.gitignore
+++ b/.gitignore
@@ -3,3 +3,4 @@ Directory-Queue-0.5.tar.gz
 /Directory-Queue-1.1.tar.gz
 /Directory-Queue-1.2.tar.gz
 /Directory-Queue-1.4.tar.gz
+/Directory-Queue-1.5.tar.gz
diff --git a/perl-Directory-Queue.spec b/perl-Directory-Queue.spec
index 5458cac..9c943e8 100644
--- a/perl-Directory-Queue.spec
+++ b/perl-Directory-Queue.spec
@@ -1,6 +1,6 @@
 Name:   perl-Directory-Queue
-Version:1.4
-Release:2%{?dist}
+Version:1.5
+Release:1%{?dist}
 Summary:Object oriented interface to a directory based queue
 License:GPL+ or Artistic
 Group:  Development/Libraries
@@ -56,6 +56,9 @@ rm -rf $RPM_BUILD_ROOT
 %{_mandir}/man3/*
 
 %changelog
+* Sat Jan 28 2012 Steve Traylen steve.tray...@cern.ch - 1.5-1
+- Update to 1.5 rhbz#785073.
+
 * Fri Jan 13 2012 Fedora Release Engineering rel-...@lists.fedoraproject.org 
- 1.4-2
 - Rebuilt for https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_17_Mass_Rebuild
 
diff --git a/sources b/sources
index 6640b77..46e0007 100644
--- a/sources
+++ b/sources
@@ -1 +1 @@
-301d2f28910328ff67f9f23a41a5d37a  Directory-Queue-1.4.tar.gz
+5be9ae874aa49bf6f5ba64d33d99ed07  Directory-Queue-1.5.tar.gz
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[perl-Directory-Queue] Created tag perl-Directory-Queue-1.5-1.fc17

2012-01-28 Thread stevetraylen
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Tagger: Steve Traylen steve.tray...@cern.ch
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Update to 1.5 rhbz#785073.

Changes since the last tag 'perl-Directory-Queue-1.4-1.fc16':

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  - Rebuilt for https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_17_Mass_Rebuild

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[perl-Directory-Queue/f16] (2 commits) ...Update to 1.5 rhbz#785073.

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  1418423... - Rebuilt for https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_17_Mass (*)
  9d4ba5e... Update to 1.5 rhbz#785073. (*)

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[perl-Directory-Queue] Created tag perl-Directory-Queue-1.5-1.fc16

2012-01-28 Thread stevetraylen
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[perl-Directory-Queue/el6] (3 commits) ...Update to 1.5 rhbz#785073.

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  1418423... - Rebuilt for https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_17_Mass (*)
  9d4ba5e... Update to 1.5 rhbz#785073. (*)
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[perl-Directory-Queue] Created tag perl-Directory-Queue-1.5-1.el6

2012-01-28 Thread stevetraylen
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  - Rebuilt for https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_17_Mass_Rebuild

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  Update to 1.5 rhbz#785073.
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[perl-Directory-Queue/el6: 3/3] Update to 1.5 rhbz#785073.

2012-01-28 Thread stevetraylen
commit 3331d84f63da451f6ce574f7c6ed8682d57c776e
Merge: 03c5164 9d4ba5e
Author: Steve Traylen steve.tray...@cern.ch
Date:   Sat Jan 28 11:16:28 2012 +0100

Update to 1.5 rhbz#785073.

 .gitignore|1 +
 perl-Directory-Queue.spec |5 -
 sources   |2 +-
 3 files changed, 6 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-)
---
diff --cc perl-Directory-Queue.spec
index f00becd,9c943e8..d061f56
--- a/perl-Directory-Queue.spec
+++ b/perl-Directory-Queue.spec
@@@ -56,6 -56,12 +56,9 @@@ rm -rf $RPM_BUILD_ROO
  %{_mandir}/man3/*
  
  %changelog
+ * Sat Jan 28 2012 Steve Traylen steve.tray...@cern.ch - 1.5-1
+ - Update to 1.5 rhbz#785073.
+ 
 -* Fri Jan 13 2012 Fedora Release Engineering 
rel-...@lists.fedoraproject.org - 1.4-2
 -- Rebuilt for https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_17_Mass_Rebuild
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  * Thu Dec 8 2011 Steve Traylen steve.tray...@cern.ch - 1.4-1
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[perl-Directory-Queue/el5] (14 commits) ...Merge branch 'el6' into el5

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Summary of changes:

  10ad12b... Initialize branch EL-6 for perl-Directory-Queue (*)
  7e053f1... Populate branches: #607355 (*)
  fb47d34... Forgot the .spec file. (*)
  11e99d5... Bump release due to my mitake. (*)
  7e1c4f3... dist-git conversion (*)
  ec67560... Merge branch 'master' into el6 (*)
  948833e... Merge branch 'master' into el6 (*)
  48b49ce... Merge branch 'master' into el6 (*)
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  03c5164... Merge branch 'master' into el6 (*)
  1418423... - Rebuilt for https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_17_Mass (*)
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[perl-Directory-Queue] Created tag perl-Directory-Queue-1.5-1.el5

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  - Rebuilt for https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_17_Mass_Rebuild

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  dist-git conversion

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  Initialize branch EL-6 for perl-Directory-Queue

Steve Traylen (8):
  Merge branch 'master' into el6
  Merge branch 'master' into el6
  Merge branch 'master' into el6
  Merge branch 'master' into el6
  Merge branch 'master' into el6
  Update to 1.5 rhbz#785073.
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[perl-Directory-Queue/el5: 14/14] Merge branch 'el6' into el5

2012-01-28 Thread stevetraylen
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Merge: 1d6494b 3331d84
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Merge branch 'el6' into el5

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[Bug 785073] Upgrade to new upstream version

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--- Comment #2 from Fedora Update System upda...@fedoraproject.org 2012-01-28 
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perl-Directory-Queue-1.5-1.fc16 has been submitted as an update for Fedora 16.
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/perl-Directory-Queue-1.5-1.fc16

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[Bug 785073] Upgrade to new upstream version

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perl-Directory-Queue-1.5-1.el6 has been submitted as an update for Fedora EPEL
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[Bug 785073] Upgrade to new upstream version

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perl-Directory-Queue-1.5-1.el5 has been submitted as an update for Fedora EPEL
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[Bug 785363] New: perl-Glib-Object-Introspection-0.006 is available

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Summary: perl-Glib-Object-Introspection-0.006 is available

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=785363

   Summary: perl-Glib-Object-Introspection-0.006 is available
   Product: Fedora
   Version: rawhide
  Platform: Unspecified
OS/Version: Unspecified
Status: NEW
  Keywords: FutureFeature, Triaged
  Severity: unspecified
  Priority: unspecified
 Component: perl-Glib-Object-Introspection
AssignedTo: berra...@redhat.com
ReportedBy: upstream-release-monitor...@fedoraproject.org
 QAContact: extras...@fedoraproject.org
CC: berra...@redhat.com, fedora-perl-devel-l...@redhat.com
Classification: Fedora
  Story Points: ---
  Type: ---
Regression: ---
Mount Type: ---
 Documentation: ---


Latest upstream release: 0.006
Current version in Fedora Rawhide: 0.004
URL: http://search.cpan.org/dist/Glib-Object-Introspection/

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[Bug 785361] New: perl-Archive-RPM-0.07 is available

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Summary: perl-Archive-RPM-0.07 is available

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=785361

   Summary: perl-Archive-RPM-0.07 is available
   Product: Fedora
   Version: rawhide
  Platform: Unspecified
OS/Version: Unspecified
Status: NEW
  Keywords: FutureFeature, Triaged
  Severity: unspecified
  Priority: unspecified
 Component: perl-Archive-RPM
AssignedTo: mmasl...@redhat.com
ReportedBy: upstream-release-monitor...@fedoraproject.org
 QAContact: extras...@fedoraproject.org
CC: iarn...@gmail.com, fedora-perl-devel-l...@redhat.com,
mmasl...@redhat.com, psab...@redhat.com
Classification: Fedora
  Story Points: ---
  Type: ---
Regression: ---
Mount Type: ---
 Documentation: ---


Latest upstream release: 0.07
Current version in Fedora Rawhide: 0.06
URL: http://search.cpan.org/dist/Archive-RPM/

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[Bug 785365] New: perl-MogileFS-Client-1.15 is available

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Summary: perl-MogileFS-Client-1.15 is available

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=785365

   Summary: perl-MogileFS-Client-1.15 is available
   Product: Fedora
   Version: rawhide
  Platform: Unspecified
OS/Version: Unspecified
Status: NEW
  Keywords: FutureFeature, Triaged
  Severity: unspecified
  Priority: unspecified
 Component: perl-MogileFS-Client
AssignedTo: ppi...@redhat.com
ReportedBy: upstream-release-monitor...@fedoraproject.org
 QAContact: extras...@fedoraproject.org
CC: fedora-perl-devel-l...@redhat.com, ppi...@redhat.com
Classification: Fedora
  Story Points: ---
  Type: ---
Regression: ---
Mount Type: ---
 Documentation: ---


Latest upstream release: 1.15
Current version in Fedora Rawhide: 1.14
URL: http://search.cpan.org/dist/MogileFS-Client/

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[Bug 785366] New: perl-MogileFS-Utils-2.22 is available

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Summary: perl-MogileFS-Utils-2.22 is available

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=785366

   Summary: perl-MogileFS-Utils-2.22 is available
   Product: Fedora
   Version: rawhide
  Platform: Unspecified
OS/Version: Unspecified
Status: NEW
  Keywords: FutureFeature, Triaged
  Severity: unspecified
  Priority: unspecified
 Component: perl-MogileFS-Utils
AssignedTo: ppi...@redhat.com
ReportedBy: upstream-release-monitor...@fedoraproject.org
 QAContact: extras...@fedoraproject.org
CC: fedora-perl-devel-l...@redhat.com, ppi...@redhat.com
Classification: Fedora
  Story Points: ---
  Type: ---
Regression: ---
Mount Type: ---
 Documentation: ---


Latest upstream release: 2.22
Current version in Fedora Rawhide: 2.21
URL: http://search.cpan.org/dist/MogileFS-Utils/

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[Bug 785364] New: perl-Module-Install-ExtraTests-0.007 is available

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Summary: perl-Module-Install-ExtraTests-0.007 is available

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=785364

   Summary: perl-Module-Install-ExtraTests-0.007 is available
   Product: Fedora
   Version: rawhide
  Platform: Unspecified
OS/Version: Unspecified
Status: NEW
  Keywords: FutureFeature, Triaged
  Severity: unspecified
  Priority: unspecified
 Component: perl-Module-Install-ExtraTests
AssignedTo: mmasl...@redhat.com
ReportedBy: upstream-release-monitor...@fedoraproject.org
 QAContact: extras...@fedoraproject.org
CC: fedora-perl-devel-l...@redhat.com,
mmasl...@redhat.com, psab...@redhat.com
Classification: Fedora
  Story Points: ---
  Type: ---
Regression: ---
Mount Type: ---
 Documentation: ---


Latest upstream release: 0.007
Current version in Fedora Rawhide: 0.006
URL: http://search.cpan.org/dist/Module-Install-ExtraTests/

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[Bug 785073] Upgrade to new upstream version

2012-01-28 Thread bugzilla
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https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=785073

Fedora Update System upda...@fedoraproject.org changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Status|MODIFIED|ON_QA

--- Comment #4 from Fedora Update System upda...@fedoraproject.org 2012-01-28 
12:48:41 EST ---
Package perl-Directory-Queue-1.5-1.el6:
* should fix your issue,
* was pushed to the Fedora EPEL 6 testing repository,
* should be available at your local mirror within two days.
Update it with:
# su -c 'yum update --enablerepo=epel-testing perl-Directory-Queue-1.5-1.el6'
as soon as you are able to.
Please go to the following url:
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-EPEL-2012-0274/perl-Directory-Queue-1.5-1.el6
then log in and leave karma (feedback).

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