Re: gstreamer-plugins-base revival

2019-09-23 Thread Emmanuel Seyman
* Tom Callaway [22/08/2019 09:04] :
>
> I don't really want to own it, but I have dependent packages, so if no one
> else does, I will claim it.

Since this one is back, I'm planning to unretire perl-GStreamer and
perl-GStreamer-Interfaces, which depended on this.

Emmanuel
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[EPEL-devel] Re: TeamViewer on RHEL 8 and qt. Help needed

2019-09-23 Thread Thomas Stephen Lee
Hi,

Working fine now.
Thanks a lot.

did

dnf install qt5-qtwebchannel qt5-qtsensors qt5-qtlocation
qt5-qtbase-gui qt5-qtx11extras qt5-qtdeclarative

thanks.

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On Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 12:17 AM Troy Dawson  wrote:

> On Mon, Sep 23, 2019 at 10:53 AM Stephen John Smoogen 
> wrote:
> >
> > On Mon, 23 Sep 2019 at 12:31, Thomas Stephen Lee 
> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > download the tar version and extract
> > >
> > > https://download.teamviewer.com/download/linux/teamviewer_amd64.tar.xz
> > >
> > > cd to the folder
> > >
> > > run
> > >
> > > ./tv-setup checklibs
> > >
> > > the output shows
> > >
> > > -
> > > Analyzing dependencies ...
> > > libQt5Positioning.so.5 => not found
> > > libQt5Sensors.so.5 => not found
> > > libQt5WebChannel.so.5 => not found
> > >
> > > The libraries listed above seem to be missing.
> > >
> >
> > You need to install qt5-qtwebchannel qt5-qtsensors qt5-qtlocation
> > qt5-qtbase-gui qt5-qtx11extras qt5-qtdeclarative and probably a bunch
> > others..
> >
> > dnf repoquery --whatprovides=libQt5WebKitWidgets.so.5
> >
> > and similar will tell you what is needed
> >
> > > --
> > >
> > > and it also asks to run the command.
> > >
> > >  dnf install 'libdbus-1.so.3()(64bit)' 'libQt5Gui.so.5()(64bit)'
> 'libQt5Widgets.so.5()(64bit)' 'libQt5Qml.so.5()(64bit)'
> 'libQt5Quick.so.5()(64bit)' 'libQt5WebKitWidgets.so.5()(64bit)'
> 'libQt5X11Extras.so.5()(64bit)' 'libqtquick2plugin.so()(64bit)'
> 'libwindowplugin.so()(64bit)' 'libqquicklayoutsplugin.so()(64bit)'
> 'libqtquickcontrolsplugin.so()(64bit)' 'libdialogplugin.so()(64bit)'
> > >
> >
> > From teh above the following don't seem available:
> >
> > libwindowplugin.so
> > libqquicklayoutsplugin.so
> > libdialogplugin.so
> >
> > but they don't show up in a Fedora 30 box either so I am guessing it
> > needs something not listed.
> >
>
> Correct.
> This isn't a RHEL8 thing.
>
> > >
> > > Ran the command on RHEL 8 and most libraries are missing
> (epel-playground and epel-testing repos are enabled).
> > > Is it something to do with RHEL 8 not supporting KDE?
> > >
> > > What is the solution to get TeamViewer working on RHEL 8?
>
> From the teamviewer page
> https://www.teamviewer.com/en-us/download/linux/
> you can download an rpm designed for CentOS and Fedora
>
> https://www.teamviewer.com/en-us/teamviewer-automatic-download/?package=teamviewer=x86_64.rpm=linux
>
> That package seems to be able to install on both Fedora and RHEL8 with
> epel8-playground enabled.
>
> > >
> > > thanks.
> > >
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[Bug 1749268] [RFE] EPEL8 branch of perl-UNIVERSAL-require

2019-09-23 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1749268

Fedora Update System  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Status|ON_QA   |CLOSED
   Fixed In Version||perl-UNIVERSAL-require-0.18
   ||-17.el8
 Resolution|--- |ERRATA
Last Closed||2019-09-24 03:48:43



--- Comment #4 from Fedora Update System  ---
perl-UNIVERSAL-require-0.18-17.el8 has been pushed to the Fedora EPEL 8 stable
repository. If problems still persist, please make note of it in this bug
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[Bug 1754281] [RFE] EPEL-8 branch for perl-Coro-Multicore

2019-09-23 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1754281

Fedora Update System  changed:

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 Status|MODIFIED|ON_QA



--- Comment #3 from Fedora Update System  ---
perl-Coro-Multicore-1.03-3.el8 has been pushed to the Fedora EPEL 8 testing
repository. If problems still persist, please make note of it in this bug
report.
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[EPEL-devel] Fedora EPEL 8 updates-testing report

2019-09-23 Thread updates
The following Fedora EPEL 8 Security updates need testing:
 Age  URL
  12  https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-EPEL-2019-85b930849d   
blis-0.6.0-4.el8
  11  https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-EPEL-2019-cb6a4f8130   
bird-2.0.6-1.el8


The following builds have been pushed to Fedora EPEL 8 updates-testing

git-secret-0.3.2-2.el8
git-tools-2018.10-2.el8
gramps-5.1.1-1.el8
mosh-1.3.2-1.el8
mup-6.7-1.el8
perl-Convert-Bencode-1.03-26.el8
perl-Coro-Multicore-1.03-3.el8
perl-Env-Sanctify-1.12-17.el8
perl-Module-Install-Repository-0.06-19.el8
perl-PPIx-QuoteLike-0.008-1.el8
perl-PPIx-Regexp-0.067-1.el8
perl-Regexp-Common-2017060201-11.el8
perl-SOAP-Lite-1.27-7.el8
perl-Spellunker-0.4.0-16.el8
perl-Test-LeakTrace-0.16-11.el8
perl-Test-Regexp-2017040101-10.el8
perl-Test-Synopsis-0.16-1.el8
perl-Test-Valgrind-1.19-12.el8
xrdp-0.9.11-5.el8
yapet-2.3-3.el8

Details about builds:



 git-secret-0.3.2-2.el8 (FEDORA-EPEL-2019-2c9a0f108b)
 A bash-tool to store your private data inside a git repository

Update Information:

remove sha256sum dependency as nothing provides it (in coreutils)    0.3.2
upgrade, clarify sha256sum dependency

ChangeLog:

* Sun Sep 22 2019 Gergely Gombos  0.3.2-2
- remove sha256sum dependency as nothing provides it (in coreutils)
* Sun Sep 22 2019 Gergely Gombos  0.3.2-1
- 0.3.2 upgrade, clarify sha256sum dependency




 git-tools-2018.10-2.el8 (FEDORA-EPEL-2019-2a88d63c7d)
 Assorted git-related scripts and tools

Update Information:

Rebuilt for https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_31_Mass_Rebuild




 gramps-5.1.1-1.el8 (FEDORA-EPEL-2019-8cf624deca)
 Genealogical Research and Analysis Management Programming System

Update Information:

First EL-8 build.

References:

  [ 1 ] Bug #1754291 - Request to build gramps for EPEL 8
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1754291




 mosh-1.3.2-1.el8 (FEDORA-EPEL-2019-701b91dff9)
 Mobile shell that supports roaming and intelligent local echo

Update Information:

Update to mosh 1.3.2

References:

  [ 1 ] Bug #1741280 - RFE: mosh: epel8 build request
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1741280




 mup-6.7-1.el8 (FEDORA-EPEL-2019-1c974830b9)
 A music notation program that can also generate MIDI files

Update Information:

Update to 6.7




 perl-Convert-Bencode-1.03-26.el8 (FEDORA-EPEL-2019-138d9d0e5f)
 Functions for converting to/from bencoded strings

Update Information:

This is the first EPEL-8 build of perl-Convert-Bencode.




 perl-Coro-Multicore-1.03-3.el8 (FEDORA-EPEL-2019-8f84208a63)
 Make Coro threads on multiple cores with specially supported modules

Update Information:

This erratum brings perlmulticore-devel package.

References:

  [ 1 ] Bug #1754281 - [RFE] EPEL-8 branch for perl-Coro-Multicore
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1754281




 

[Bug 1744683] [RFE] EPEL8 branch for perl-SOAP-Lite

2019-09-23 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1744683

Fedora Update System  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Status|MODIFIED|ON_QA



--- Comment #5 from Fedora Update System  ---
perl-SOAP-Lite-1.27-7.el8 has been pushed to the Fedora EPEL 8 testing
repository. If problems still persist, please make note of it in this bug
report.
See https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Updates_Testing for
instructions on how to install test updates.
You can provide feedback for this update here:
https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-EPEL-2019-e93cbd7c35

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[EPEL-devel] Fedora EPEL 6 updates-testing report

2019-09-23 Thread updates
The following Fedora EPEL 6 Security updates need testing:
 Age  URL
  11  https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-EPEL-2019-3012c9e1ad   
bird-1.6.8-1.el6
  11  https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-EPEL-2019-04a99d9149   
seamonkey-2.49.5-2.el6
   7  https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-EPEL-2019-8901842b1a   
golang-1.13-1.el6


The following builds have been pushed to Fedora EPEL 6 updates-testing

mosh-1.3.2-1.el6
sympa-6.2.46-1.el6

Details about builds:



 mosh-1.3.2-1.el6 (FEDORA-EPEL-2019-2ac30e3cae)
 Mobile shell that supports roaming and intelligent local echo

Update Information:

Update to mosh 1.3.2

ChangeLog:

* Sun Sep 22 2019 Alex Chernyakhovsky  - 1.3.2-1
- Update to mosh 1.3.2
* Thu Jul 25 2019 Fedora Release Engineering  - 
1.3.0-11
- Rebuilt for https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_31_Mass_Rebuild
* Fri Feb  1 2019 Fedora Release Engineering  - 
1.3.0-10
- Rebuilt for https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_30_Mass_Rebuild
* Wed Nov 21 2018 Igor Gnatenko  - 1.3.0-9
- Rebuild for protobuf 3.6
* Fri Jul 13 2018 Fedora Release Engineering  - 
1.3.0-8
- Rebuilt for https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_29_Mass_Rebuild
* Thu Feb  8 2018 Fedora Release Engineering  - 
1.3.0-7
- Rebuilt for https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_28_Mass_Rebuild
* Wed Nov 29 2017 Igor Gnatenko  - 1.3.0-6
- Rebuild for protobuf 3.5
* Mon Nov 13 2017 Igor Gnatenko  - 1.3.0-5
- Rebuild for protobuf 3.4
* Thu Aug  3 2017 Fedora Release Engineering  - 
1.3.0-4
- Rebuilt for https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_27_Binutils_Mass_Rebuild
* Wed Jul 26 2017 Fedora Release Engineering  - 
1.3.0-3
- Rebuilt for https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_27_Mass_Rebuild
* Tue Jun 13 2017 Orion Poplawski  - 1.3.0-2
- Rebuild for protobuf 3.3.1




 sympa-6.2.46-1.el6 (FEDORA-EPEL-2019-213ee8bd84)
 Powerful multilingual List Manager

Update Information:

- Rewritten data sources code.

ChangeLog:

* Mon Sep 23 2019 Xavier Bachelot  6.2.46-1
- Update to 6.2.46.
- Unbundle foundation-icons font.
- Add dependency on LWP::Protocol::https (RHBZ#1753111).
- Don't unbundle js-respond on EL8 (yet).
* Sat Jul 27 2019 Fedora Release Engineering  - 
6.2.44-3.1
- Rebuilt for https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_31_Mass_Rebuild

References:

  [ 1 ] Bug #1753111 - LWP::Protocol::https missing in dependencies
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1753111


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[Bug 1749226] Please build perl-Test-Compile for EL8

2019-09-23 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1749226

Fedora Update System  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Status|ON_QA   |CLOSED
   Fixed In Version||perl-Test-Compile-2.2.2-2.e
   ||l8
 Resolution|--- |ERRATA
Last Closed||2019-09-24 03:48:45



--- Comment #4 from Fedora Update System  ---
perl-Test-Compile-2.2.2-2.el8 has been pushed to the Fedora EPEL 8 stable
repository. If problems still persist, please make note of it in this bug
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[Bug 1749226] Please build perl-Test-Compile for EL8

2019-09-23 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1749226
Bug 1749226 depends on bug 1749268, which changed state.

Bug 1749268 Summary: [RFE] EPEL8 branch of perl-UNIVERSAL-require
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1749268

   What|Removed |Added

 Status|ON_QA   |CLOSED
 Resolution|--- |ERRATA



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[Bug 1752270] perl-Text-CSV_XS-1.40 is available

2019-09-23 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1752270

Fedora Update System  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Status|ON_QA   |CLOSED
   Fixed In Version|perl-Text-CSV_XS-1.40-1.fc3 |perl-Text-CSV_XS-1.40-1.fc3
   |2   |2
   ||perl-Text-CSV_XS-1.40-1.fc3
   ||1
 Resolution|--- |ERRATA
Last Closed||2019-09-24 03:11:12



--- Comment #3 from Fedora Update System  ---
perl-Text-CSV_XS-1.40-1.fc31 has been pushed to the Fedora 31 stable
repository. If problems still persist, please make note of it in this bug
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[Bug 1752235] perltidy-20190915 is available

2019-09-23 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1752235

Fedora Update System  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Status|ON_QA   |CLOSED
   Fixed In Version|perltidy-20190915-1.fc32|perltidy-20190915-1.fc32
   ||perltidy-20190915-1.fc31
 Resolution|--- |ERRATA
Last Closed||2019-09-24 03:11:10



--- Comment #5 from Fedora Update System  ---
perltidy-20190915-1.fc31 has been pushed to the Fedora 31 stable repository. If
problems still persist, please make note of it in this bug report.

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[Bug 1754126] perl-CPAN-Perl-Releases-4.14 is available

2019-09-23 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1754126



--- Comment #5 from Fedora Update System  ---
perl-CPAN-Perl-Releases-4.14-1.fc29 has been pushed to the Fedora 29 testing
repository. If problems still persist, please make note of it in this bug
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[Bug 1754124] perl-Module-CoreList-5.20190920 is available

2019-09-23 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1754124



--- Comment #7 from Fedora Update System  ---
perl-Module-CoreList-5.20190920-1.fc29 has been pushed to the Fedora 29 testing
repository. If problems still persist, please make note of it in this bug
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[Fedocal] Reminder meeting : Modularity Team (weekly)

2019-09-23 Thread nils
Dear all,

You are kindly invited to the meeting:
   Modularity Team (weekly) on 2019-09-24 from 15:00:00 to 16:00:00 UTC
   At fedora-meetin...@irc.freenode.net

The meeting will be about:
Meeting of the Modularity Team.

More information available at: [Modularity Team 
Docs](https://docs.pagure.org/modularity/)

The agenda for the meeting is available as flagged tickets [in the Modularity 
repository](https://pagure.io/modularity/issues?status=Open=Meeting).



Source: https://apps.fedoraproject.org/calendar/meeting/9480/

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[389-devel] 389 DS nightly 2019-09-24 - 95% PASS

2019-09-23 Thread vashirov
https://fedorapeople.org/groups/389ds/ci/nightly/2019/09/24/report-389-ds-base-1.4.2.1-20190923git56ea32d.fc30.x86_64.html
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[Bug 1747182] perl-Locale-Codes-3.62 is available

2019-09-23 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1747182



--- Comment #20 from Fedora Update System  ---
perl-5.28-3120190913071625.a5d38390 has been pushed to the Fedora 31 Modular
stable repository. If problems still persist, please make note of it in this
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[Bug 1750082] perl-Archive-Zip-1.65 is available

2019-09-23 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1750082



--- Comment #23 from Fedora Update System  ---
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[Bug 1754124] perl-Module-CoreList-5.20190920 is available

2019-09-23 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1754124



--- Comment #6 from Fedora Update System  ---
perl-Module-CoreList-5.20190920-1.fc31 has been pushed to the Fedora 31 testing
repository. If problems still persist, please make note of it in this bug
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You can provide feedback for this update here:
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[Bug 1754126] perl-CPAN-Perl-Releases-4.14 is available

2019-09-23 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1754126



--- Comment #4 from Fedora Update System  ---
perl-CPAN-Perl-Releases-4.14-1.fc31 has been pushed to the Fedora 31 testing
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[Bug 1754126] perl-CPAN-Perl-Releases-4.14 is available

2019-09-23 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1754126

Fedora Update System  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Status|MODIFIED|ON_QA



--- Comment #3 from Fedora Update System  ---
perl-CPAN-Perl-Releases-4.14-1.fc30 has been pushed to the Fedora 30 testing
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[Bug 1754124] perl-Module-CoreList-5.20190920 is available

2019-09-23 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1754124

Fedora Update System  changed:

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 Status|MODIFIED|ON_QA



--- Comment #5 from Fedora Update System  ---
perl-Module-CoreList-5.20190920-1.fc30 has been pushed to the Fedora 30 testing
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Re: Package build of usbauth-notifier and setxid whitelist

2019-09-23 Thread Scott Talbert

On Tue, 24 Sep 2019, Stefan Koch wrote:


Hi

My package usbauth-notifier has passed the review:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1554022

The package have a repositiory now:
https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/usbauth-notifier

I have created a build for my package:
https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2019-c486836b68

There were some errors at build:
https://taskotron.fedoraproject.org/artifacts/all/364ec852-dc8e-11e9-8845-5
2540077ca13/tests.yml/rpmgrill.json

- "/usr/bin/usbauth-npriv": "Owned by group 'usbauth'; files in
/usr/bin must be group 'root'"
- "File /usr/bin/usbauth-npriv is setuid root but is not on the
setxid whitelist."
- "File /usr/libexec/usbauth-notifier/usbauth-notifier is setgid
usbauth but is not on the setxid whitelist."

Although there were errors, the package is now within the Rawhide
Repository:
https://ftp-stud.hs-esslingen.de/pub/fedora/linux/development/rawhide/Every
thing/x86_64/os/Packages/u/usbauth-notifier-1.0-1.fc32.x86_64.rpm

So is it needed to request adding it to the setxid whitelists?
Is it needed do move the usbauth-npriv binary away from /usr/bin? It must be
owned by the group usbauth, because of security architecture.
For the rpmlint errors I have provided now a rpmlintrc file 
athttps://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/usbauth-notifier/blob/master/f/usbauth-n
otifier.rpmlintrc

Is there a way to get the package into the existing Fedora 31, 30 and EPEL 8
repositories?


I don't know much about setxid whitelists so I can't answer your questions 
there.


On getting your package into development and stable releases, yes, that is 
possible.  You first need to request branches be created using 'fedpkg 
request-branch".  Then once those have been processed, you can merge your 
changes to those branches, create builds, then create updates with bodhi 
to get those builds pushed stable.


Scott
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Fedora rawhide compose report: 20190923.n.1 changes

2019-09-23 Thread Fedora Rawhide Report
OLD: Fedora-Rawhide-20190922.n.1
NEW: Fedora-Rawhide-20190923.n.1

= SUMMARY =
Added images:0
Dropped images:  7
Added packages:  13
Dropped packages:1
Upgraded packages:   92
Downgraded packages: 1

Size of added packages:  63.85 MiB
Size of dropped packages:367.25 KiB
Size of upgraded packages:   765.91 MiB
Size of downgraded packages: 6.45 MiB

Size change of upgraded packages:   18.19 MiB
Size change of downgraded packages: -252.93 KiB

= ADDED IMAGES =

= DROPPED IMAGES =
Image: Cloud_Base vmdk ppc64le
Path: Cloud/ppc64le/images/Fedora-Cloud-Base-Rawhide-20190922.n.1.ppc64le.vmdk
Image: Container_Base docker ppc64le
Path: 
Container/ppc64le/images/Fedora-Container-Base-Rawhide-20190922.n.1.ppc64le.tar.xz
Image: Cloud_Base qcow2 ppc64le
Path: Cloud/ppc64le/images/Fedora-Cloud-Base-Rawhide-20190922.n.1.ppc64le.qcow2
Image: Astronomy_KDE live x86_64
Path: Labs/x86_64/iso/Fedora-Astronomy_KDE-Live-x86_64-Rawhide-20190922.n.1.iso
Image: Cloud_Base raw-xz ppc64le
Path: Cloud/ppc64le/images/Fedora-Cloud-Base-Rawhide-20190922.n.1.ppc64le.raw.xz
Image: Everything boot ppc64le
Path: 
Everything/ppc64le/iso/Fedora-Everything-netinst-ppc64le-Rawhide-20190922.n.1.iso
Image: Container_Minimal_Base docker ppc64le
Path: 
Container/ppc64le/images/Fedora-Container-Minimal-Base-Rawhide-20190922.n.1.ppc64le.tar.xz

= ADDED PACKAGES =
Package: ecj-1:4.12-2.module_f32+6653+829af7fe
Summary: Eclipse Compiler for Java
RPMs:ecj
Size:2.62 MiB

Package: libbpf-1:0.0.3-1.fc32
Summary: Libbpf library
RPMs:libbpf libbpf-devel libbpf-static
Size:780.77 KiB

Package: mingw-libsoup-2.68.0-1.fc32
Summary: MinGW library for HTTP and XML-RPC functionality
RPMs:mingw32-libsoup mingw64-libsoup
Size:693.37 KiB

Package: php-phplang-scope-exit-1.0.0-2.fc32
Summary: Emulation of SCOPE_EXIT construct from C++
RPMs:php-phplang-scope-exit
Size:10.32 KiB

Package: php-scssphp-scssphp-1.0.4-1.fc32
Summary: Compiler for SCSS
RPMs:php-scssphp-scssphp
Size:70.41 KiB

Package: php-swaggest-json-diff-3.7.0-1.fc32
Summary: JSON diff/rearrange/patch/pointer library for PHP
RPMs:php-swaggest-json-diff
Size:18.71 KiB

Package: php-swaggest-json-schema-0.12.20-1.fc32
Summary: High definition PHP structures with JSON-schema based validation
RPMs:php-swaggest-json-schema
Size:49.61 KiB

Package: policycoreutils-2.9-7.module_f32+6637+418cdc15
Summary: SELinux policy core utilities
RPMs:policycoreutils policycoreutils-dbus policycoreutils-devel 
policycoreutils-gui policycoreutils-newrole policycoreutils-python-utils 
policycoreutils-restorecond policycoreutils-sandbox python3-policycoreutils
Size:9.81 MiB

Package: rust-zram-generator-0.1.1-4.module_f32+6664+96b02312
Summary: Systemd unit generator for zram devices
RPMs:zram-generator
Size:1.09 MiB

Package: setools-4.2.0-1.module_f32+6637+418cdc15
Summary: Policy analysis tools for SELinux
RPMs:python3-setools setools setools-console setools-console-analyses 
setools-gui
Size:7.81 MiB

Package: swig-3.0.12-24.module_f32+6641+74d4d6b5
Summary: Connects C/C++/Objective C to some high-level programming languages
RPMs:ccache-swig swig swig-doc swig-gdb
Size:11.68 MiB

Package: tomcat-1:9.0.21-3.module_f32+6653+829af7fe
Summary: Apache Servlet/JSP Engine, RI for Servlet 4.0/JSP 2.3 API
RPMs:tomcat tomcat-admin-webapps tomcat-docs-webapp tomcat-el-3.0-api 
tomcat-jsp-2.3-api tomcat-jsvc tomcat-lib tomcat-servlet-4.0-api tomcat-webapps
Size:6.74 MiB

Package: zola-0.8.0-5.module_f32+6659+2316e7c7
Summary: Fast static site generator with everything built-in
RPMs:zola
Size:22.52 MiB


= DROPPED PACKAGES =
Package: octave-nnet-0.1.13-17.fc31
Summary: A feed forward multi-layer neural network
RPMs:octave-nnet
Size:367.25 KiB


= UPGRADED PACKAGES =
Package:  ModemManager-1.10.6-2.fc32
Old package:  ModemManager-1.10.4-2.fc31
Summary:  Mobile broadband modem management service
RPMs: ModemManager ModemManager-devel ModemManager-glib 
ModemManager-glib-devel ModemManager-vala
Size: 10.68 MiB
Size change:  31.72 KiB
Changelog:
  * Mon Sep 23 2019 Lubomir Rintel  - 1.10.6-1
  - Update to 1.10.6 release

  * Mon Sep 23 2019 Lubomir Rintel  - 1.10.6-2
  - Don't grab cdc_ether devices on Sierra QMI modems


Package:  annobin-8.81-1.fc32
Old package:  annobin-8.79-2.fc32
Summary:  Binary annotation plugin for GCC
RPMs: annobin annobin-annocheck
Size: 1.03 MiB
Size change:  1.83 KiB
Changelog:
  * Mon Sep 23 2019 Nick Clifton  - 8.81-1
  - Improve detection of GO binaries.
  - Add gcc version information to annobin notes.
  - Do not complain about missing FORTIFY_SOURCE and GLIBCXX_ASSERTIONS in LTO 
compilations.


Package:  awscli-1.16.243-1.fc32
Old package:  awscli-1.16.241-1.fc32
Summary:  Universal Command Line Environment for AWS
RPMs: awscli
Size: 1.32 MiB
Size

Re: RPM Fusion Bugzilla Bug 5307

2019-09-23 Thread Kevin Fenzi
...snip...

I'm going to call this thread over with now, and have placed it on
moderation. Interested parties are welcome to continue in private email
or other forums.

kevin


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Re: RPM Fusion Bugzilla Bug 5307

2019-09-23 Thread Ty Young


On 9/23/19 5:12 PM, Solomon Peachy wrote:

On Mon, Sep 23, 2019 at 04:20:37PM -0500, Ty Young wrote:

Then you also understand the entire thread was made *because* Fedora was
being in inconsiderate and disrespectful to both Nvidia, myself, and other
developers, right?

So far, you are the only one being disrespectful here.



Yeah, no.





Please, don't start with the "rules for me, not for thee" nonsense.

So far, you are the only one asking for special treatment, and quite
petulantly at that.


I understand a basic level level of decency is required, but that decency
goes both ways and it absolutely hasn't been.

I'm glad you agree that your behavior here has been unacceptable.

Meawnhile.  Here is some suggested reading material:
   
   https://caddy.community/t/the-realities-of-being-a-foss-maintainer/2728


 (Specifically "The Ugly" section)

   https://lwn.net/Articles/667610/

 (Written about emacs, but applies to pretty much all Free Software)



You just linked to an email from a guy who reportedly supports/defends 
pedophilia. Nice.



Continue to bleed developers, crash, and burn then. That's the route 
you're heading in. You don't need users? Fine. Have fun dealing with all 
those lovely orphaned and retired packages. I'm sure being 
*inconsiderate* and *disrespectful* to both other developers and users 
will work out for you in the long run.





Cheers,

  - Solomon

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Fedora-Rawhide-20190923.n.1 compose check report

2019-09-23 Thread Fedora compose checker
No missing expected images.

Compose FAILS proposed Rawhide gating check!
6 of 45 required tests failed, 11 results missing
openQA tests matching unsatisfied gating requirements shown with **GATING** 
below
Unsatisfied gating requirements that could not be mapped to openQA tests:
FAILED: compose.cloud.all
MISSING: fedora.Workstation-boot-iso.x86_64.64bit - compose.install_default
MISSING: fedora.Workstation-boot-iso.x86_64.uefi - compose.install_default

Failed openQA tests: 9/152 (x86_64), 1/2 (arm)

New failures (same test not failed in Fedora-Rawhide-20190922.n.1):

ID: 456929  Test: x86_64 Server-boot-iso install_default@uefi **GATING**
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/456929
ID: 456930  Test: x86_64 Server-boot-iso install_default **GATING**
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/456930

Old failures (same test failed in Fedora-Rawhide-20190922.n.1):

ID: 456931  Test: x86_64 Server-dvd-iso install_default_upload **GATING**
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/456931
ID: 456933  Test: x86_64 Server-dvd-iso install_default@uefi **GATING**
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/456933
ID: 456996  Test: arm Minimal-raw_xz-raw.xz 
install_arm_image_deployment_upload
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/456996
ID: 456999  Test: x86_64 Silverblue-dvd_ostree-iso release_identification
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/456999
ID: 457009  Test: x86_64 universal install_anaconda_text **GATING**
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/457009
ID: 457061  Test: x86_64 universal upgrade_server_domain_controller
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/457061
ID: 457062  Test: x86_64 universal upgrade_realmd_client
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/457062
ID: 457075  Test: x86_64 universal install_asian_language
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/457075

Soft failed openQA tests: 4/152 (x86_64)
(Tests completed, but using a workaround for a known bug)

New soft failures (same test not soft failed in Fedora-Rawhide-20190922.n.1):

ID: 456989  Test: x86_64 KDE-live-iso desktop_update_graphical
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/456989

Old soft failures (same test soft failed in Fedora-Rawhide-20190922.n.1):

ID: 456973  Test: x86_64 Workstation-live-iso desktop_update_graphical
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/456973
ID: 457063  Test: x86_64 universal upgrade_kde_64bit
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/457063
ID: 457068  Test: x86_64 universal upgrade_2_kde_64bit
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/457068

Passed openQA tests: 117/152 (x86_64)

New passes (same test not passed in Fedora-Rawhide-20190922.n.1):

ID: 457073  Test: x86_64 universal install_european_language
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/457073

Skipped gating openQA tests: 9/152 (x86_64)

Old skipped gating tests (same test skipped in Fedora-Rawhide-20190922.n.1):

ID: 456937  Test: x86_64 Server-dvd-iso base_update_cli **GATING**
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/456937
ID: 456938  Test: x86_64 Server-dvd-iso base_system_logging **GATING**
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/456938
ID: 456946  Test: x86_64 Server-dvd-iso 
server_role_deploy_domain_controller **GATING**
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/456946
ID: 456947  Test: x86_64 Server-dvd-iso server_realmd_join_kickstart 
**GATING**
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/456947
ID: 456948  Test: x86_64 Server-dvd-iso server_cockpit_default **GATING**
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/456948
ID: 456951  Test: x86_64 Server-dvd-iso realmd_join_sssd **GATING**
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/456951
ID: 456955  Test: x86_64 Server-dvd-iso server_role_deploy_database_server 
**GATING**
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/456955
ID: 456956  Test: x86_64 Server-dvd-iso server_database_client **GATING**
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/456956
ID: 456962  Test: x86_64 Server-dvd-iso server_firewall_default **GATING**
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/456962

Skipped non-gating openQA tests: 14 of 154

Installed system changes in test x86_64 Everything-boot-iso 
install_default@uefi: 
4 packages(s) removed since previous compose: mozjs60, polkit, 
polkit-pkla-compat, timedatex
1 services(s) removed since previous compose: polkit.service
Previous test data: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/456440#downloads
Current test data: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/456963#downloads

Installed system changes in test x86_64 Everything-boot-iso install_default: 
4 packages(s) removed since previous compose: mozjs60, polkit, 
polkit-pkla-compat, timedatex
1 services(s) removed since previous compose: polkit.service
Previous test data: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/456441#downloads
Current test data: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/456964#downloads

Installed system changes in 

Re: RPM Fusion Bugzilla Bug 5307

2019-09-23 Thread Solomon Peachy
On Mon, Sep 23, 2019 at 04:20:37PM -0500, Ty Young wrote:
> Then you also understand the entire thread was made *because* Fedora was
> being in inconsiderate and disrespectful to both Nvidia, myself, and other
> developers, right?

So far, you are the only one being disrespectful here.

> Please, don't start with the "rules for me, not for thee" nonsense.

So far, you are the only one asking for special treatment, and quite 
petulantly at that.

> I understand a basic level level of decency is required, but that decency
> goes both ways and it absolutely hasn't been. 

I'm glad you agree that your behavior here has been unacceptable.  

Meawnhile.  Here is some suggested reading material:
  
  https://caddy.community/t/the-realities-of-being-a-foss-maintainer/2728

(Specifically "The Ugly" section)

  https://lwn.net/Articles/667610/

(Written about emacs, but applies to pretty much all Free Software)

Cheers,

 - Solomon
-- 
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High Springs, FL  ^^ (email/xmpp) ^^
Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum videtur.


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Package build of usbauth-notifier and setxid whitelist

2019-09-23 Thread Stefan Koch

Hi

My package usbauth-notifier has passed the review:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1554022

The package have a repositiory now:
https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/usbauth-notifier

I have created a build for my package:
https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2019-c486836b68

There were some errors at build:
https://taskotron.fedoraproject.org/artifacts/all/364ec852-dc8e-11e9-8845-52540077ca13/tests.yml/rpmgrill.json

- "/usr/bin/usbauth-npriv": "Owned by group 'usbauth'; files in 
/usr/bin must be group 'root'"
- "File /usr/bin/usbauth-npriv is setuid root but is not on 
the setxid whitelist."
- "File /usr/libexec/usbauth-notifier/usbauth-notifier is 
setgid usbauth but is not on the setxid whitelist."


Although there were errors, the package is now within the Rawhide 
Repository:

https://ftp-stud.hs-esslingen.de/pub/fedora/linux/development/rawhide/Everything/x86_64/os/Packages/u/usbauth-notifier-1.0-1.fc32.x86_64.rpm

So is it needed to request adding it to the setxid whitelists?
Is it needed do move the usbauth-npriv binary away from /usr/bin? It 
must be owned by the group usbauth, because of security architecture.
For the rpmlint errors I have provided now a rpmlintrc file at 
https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/usbauth-notifier/blob/master/f/usbauth-notifier.rpmlintrc


Is there a way to get the package into the existing Fedora 31, 30 and 
EPEL 8 repositories?


Thank you.

Best regards

Stefan Koch
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Re: RPM Fusion Bugzilla Bug 5307

2019-09-23 Thread Ty Young


On 9/23/19 3:22 PM, Ben Cotton wrote:

Ty,

I understand your frustration, but please consider whether your
approach is constructive. "Friends" is one of the four foundations of
the Fedora community and starting the thread with insults goes beyond
the bounds of healthy disagreement. Please keep our Code of Conduct[1]
in mind as you participate in Fedora.



Then you also understand the entire thread was made *because* Fedora was 
being in inconsiderate and disrespectful to both Nvidia, myself, and 
other developers, right? Please, don't start with the "rules for me, not 
for thee" nonsense. I wasn't the first to start this, by far. I brought 
this issue up months ago *very* nicely and was basically told it's 
Nvidia's fault without anyone actually knowing what was going on. 
Fedora's unwillingness to play well with others who don't agree with 
their Open Source ideology has been a long standing issue and 
hypocritically breaks its own CoC. Maybe you should have a meeting about 
that?



I understand a basic level level of decency is required, but that 
decency goes both ways and it absolutely hasn't been. If you find 
anything wrong with what is said, point the specific case out and do so 
publicly. I have idea what exact part of the CoC was broke and cannot 
make any changes as a result nor will I be intimidated by private email 
threats.



These CoC's that your type like to use are just weapons of hypocrisy 
used to be abused by silencing others. Worse yet, they result in loss of 
productivity. Anyone else notice the Linux kernel's quality has went 
down since Linus started acting all nice? I sure have! IIRC, there was a 
nice bug that resulted in Steam not launching. What's the number one 
rule in the kernel? Don't break user space. Yeah, that went out the 
window real fast didn't it? It could be coincidence, but I've used Linux 
for many years before that and never had an issue. The kernel has always 
been the most well tested part of Linux by far.



...but I digress.





[1] https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/

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He / Him / His
Fedora Program Manager
Red Hat
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Re: RPM Fusion Bugzilla Bug 5307

2019-09-23 Thread Matthew Miller
Hey all: this is getting out of control and I don't think going anywhere
productive. Please remember the Fedora "friends" foundation, the "be
excellent to each other" guidance, and, of course, our code of conduct.

Thank you.


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Re: RPM Fusion Bugzilla Bug 5307

2019-09-23 Thread Markus Larsson


On 23 September 2019 22:42:35 CEST, Ty Young  wrote:
>
>On 9/23/19 3:16 PM, Markus Larsson wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 23 September 2019 21:58:02 CEST, Ty Young  
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >On 9/23/19 1:53 PM, Markus Larsson wrote:
>> >> You already have a solution. Use the solution you have.
>> >
>> >
>> >Not a solution, it's a bandaid to a much larger problem.
>>
>> You said it works fine in Arch. So use Arch.
>
>
>What if another user uses it on Fedora and then blames me or some other
>
>developer for it not working? That's BS.
>
>
>If you think I'm upset now, I'll go full tilt if that ever happens. I 
>refuse to be blamed for some dumb decision Fedora made. I want to 
>support Fedora, but Fedora doesn't want to support me. I'm more than 
>doing my part to try to get this fixed.

Why do you think anger will solve problems?
Just point them towards Fedora and say that you can't do anything about it.

>
>
>> You say that it can be configured easily in Fedora so do that and use
>
>> Fedora.
>
>
>I never said that. I said the complete opposite of that. Learn to read,
>
>please.

I'm sorry if I was mistaken.

>
>
>> Those are solutions to your problem.
>
>
>No.
>
>
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >> Fedora will not change to cater to this particular need.
>> >> Your opinions does not dictate what Fedora should/shouldn't do.
>> >
>> >
>> >Yet Fedora expects other distros/DEs, *including their own spins* to
>> >cater to their decisions when those decisions aren't wanted or
>> >technically possible to begin with. That's hypocritical.
>>
>> As a Fedora user I don't expect to be able to demand what defaults 
>> Void or Arch or Gentoo should have.
>
>
>Fedora doesn't? Then why did Fedora upstream the non root X. Org
>feature 
>then instead of custom patching it every release? Clearly no one cares 
>or wants it, as evident by the fact that X. Org is running as root(and 
>by extension, overclocking works) yet Fedora as the maintainers of X. 
>Org decided to make it the default? How is that not pushing your own 
>agenda on other distros? If they went out of their way to disable it 
>then they clearly don't want it.

You and everyone else are free to fork if you don't agree with upstream.

>
>
>And Fedora's own spins are impacted by this. It's not even consistent, 
>reliable behavior in Fedora. You can't even depend on it one way or the
>
>other. Applications that depend on X. Org. being root will literally 
>work just fine on a spin of Fedora but not the Gnome version. That's 
>unnecessary fragmentation in the same ecosystem.

This has already been explained yet you act as if it hasn't. If only I could 
find something to say about reading proficiency to come of as friendly.

>
>
>
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >>
>> >> Your rants and all caps won't make anything change. Please try to
>> >deal
>> >> with it and move on from this rather dead thread.
>> >
>> >
>> >My apologies for interrupting your daily mailing list programming of
>> >package orphaning/retirement. I know everyone's waiting on their
>seats
>> >in anticipation of what packages are going orphaned/retired next,
>but
>> >the current discussion has evolved into something that very much
>> >impacts
>> >that very issue.
>>
>> How about not interrupting that with something that was very clearly 
>> explained to you about 50 mails ago?
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >Let me break it down for you:
>> >
>> >
>> >1. More fragmentation means more work to maintain and test
>everything.
>> >
>> >
>> >2. More work to maintain and test everything requires more people.
>> >
>> >
>> >3. More people means more roles that have to be filled which require
>> >experience.
>> >
>> >
>> >4. Different people have different ideas on approaching problems,
>and
>> >since they have experience, they use that experience to fragment the
>> >desktop even more instead of compromising or working together. This
>is
>> >*Fedora*
>> >
>> >
>> >5. More fragmentation angers developers who want to support the
>> >platform
>> >since they can't ensure that their software works remotely
>> >consistently.
>> >This is *me*.
>> >
>> >
>> >6. Angry developers means less software for Linux.
>> >
>> >
>> >7. Less software for Linux means less users.
>> >
>> >
>> >8. Less users means a smaller pool of potential people to fill empty
>> >roles.
>> >
>> >
>> >9. Empty roles means things go stale, bugs go unfixed, and no one
>has
>> >experience.
>> >
>> >
>> >Make any sense? I know it doesn't perfectly loop back at the end but
>> >1-4
>> >does.
>>
>> No your unrelated 9 step venting does not make any sense unless of 
>> course your aim was to be rude in a new and slightly more amusing
>way.
>
>
>It wasn't rude, it was a fact. You can't gain experience doing
>something 
>if you aren't doing it to begin with.

I understood what you wrote. It just didn't in any way fit with the 
conversation.

>
>
>> One thing peaked my interest though, what software is it that you 
>> wanted to "support the platform" with?
>
>
>To put in your own words, how about not interrupting with 

Re: libb2-0.98.1 on Rawhide

2019-09-23 Thread Felix Schwarz

Am 23.09.19 um 19:06 schrieb Kevin Fenzi:

Well, except that someone needs to rebuild borgbackup?


Thank you for the reminder. I meant to do this but somehow I forgot to 
actually trigger a new build. New rawhide build in progress...


Felix
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Re: RPM Fusion Bugzilla Bug 5307

2019-09-23 Thread Ty Young


On 9/23/19 3:16 PM, Markus Larsson wrote:



On 23 September 2019 21:58:02 CEST, Ty Young  
wrote:

>
>On 9/23/19 1:53 PM, Markus Larsson wrote:
>> You already have a solution. Use the solution you have.
>
>
>Not a solution, it's a bandaid to a much larger problem.

You said it works fine in Arch. So use Arch.



What if another user uses it on Fedora and then blames me or some other 
developer for it not working? That's BS.



If you think I'm upset now, I'll go full tilt if that ever happens. I 
refuse to be blamed for some dumb decision Fedora made. I want to 
support Fedora, but Fedora doesn't want to support me. I'm more than 
doing my part to try to get this fixed.



You say that it can be configured easily in Fedora so do that and use 
Fedora.



I never said that. I said the complete opposite of that. Learn to read, 
please.




Those are solutions to your problem.



No.




>
>
>> Fedora will not change to cater to this particular need.
>> Your opinions does not dictate what Fedora should/shouldn't do.
>
>
>Yet Fedora expects other distros/DEs, *including their own spins* to
>cater to their decisions when those decisions aren't wanted or
>technically possible to begin with. That's hypocritical.

As a Fedora user I don't expect to be able to demand what defaults 
Void or Arch or Gentoo should have.



Fedora doesn't? Then why did Fedora upstream the non root X. Org feature 
then instead of custom patching it every release? Clearly no one cares 
or wants it, as evident by the fact that X. Org is running as root(and 
by extension, overclocking works) yet Fedora as the maintainers of X. 
Org decided to make it the default? How is that not pushing your own 
agenda on other distros? If they went out of their way to disable it 
then they clearly don't want it.



And Fedora's own spins are impacted by this. It's not even consistent, 
reliable behavior in Fedora. You can't even depend on it one way or the 
other. Applications that depend on X. Org. being root will literally 
work just fine on a spin of Fedora but not the Gnome version. That's 
unnecessary fragmentation in the same ecosystem.






>
>
>>
>> Your rants and all caps won't make anything change. Please try to
>deal
>> with it and move on from this rather dead thread.
>
>
>My apologies for interrupting your daily mailing list programming of
>package orphaning/retirement. I know everyone's waiting on their seats
>in anticipation of what packages are going orphaned/retired next, but
>the current discussion has evolved into something that very much
>impacts
>that very issue.

How about not interrupting that with something that was very clearly 
explained to you about 50 mails ago?


>
>
>Let me break it down for you:
>
>
>1. More fragmentation means more work to maintain and test everything.
>
>
>2. More work to maintain and test everything requires more people.
>
>
>3. More people means more roles that have to be filled which require
>experience.
>
>
>4. Different people have different ideas on approaching problems, and
>since they have experience, they use that experience to fragment the
>desktop even more instead of compromising or working together. This is
>*Fedora*
>
>
>5. More fragmentation angers developers who want to support the
>platform
>since they can't ensure that their software works remotely
>consistently.
>This is *me*.
>
>
>6. Angry developers means less software for Linux.
>
>
>7. Less software for Linux means less users.
>
>
>8. Less users means a smaller pool of potential people to fill empty
>roles.
>
>
>9. Empty roles means things go stale, bugs go unfixed, and no one has
>experience.
>
>
>Make any sense? I know it doesn't perfectly loop back at the end but
>1-4
>does.

No your unrelated 9 step venting does not make any sense unless of 
course your aim was to be rude in a new and slightly more amusing way.



It wasn't rude, it was a fact. You can't gain experience doing something 
if you aren't doing it to begin with.



One thing peaked my interest though, what software is it that you 
wanted to "support the platform" with?



To put in your own words, how about not interrupting with something that 
was very clearly explained to you about 50 mails ago?



Speaking of 50 emails, that's an impressive number for a dead thread...




>
>
>>
>> Br
>> M
>>
>> On 23 September 2019 20:38:13 CEST, Ty Young 
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 9/23/19 10:00 AM, Michael Catanzaro wrote:
>>> On Mon, Sep 23, 2019 at 9:50 am, Michael Catanzaro
>>>  wrote:
 You're wasting your time. We're not going to run the X server
>as
 root just so you can overclock your GPU. Not a chance.
>>>
>>
>> It isn't just to overclock my GPU, you're *BREAKING PEOPLE'S
>> SOFTWARE, EVEN IF THEY ARE FLATPAK*. The whole point of Flatpak
>> for an end user is cross-distro compatibility!
>>
>>
>>> Anyway, while we won't do that Fedora... since you're clearly
>>> interested in customizing your system, you can do so for
>>> yourself. What you want to do is build gdm 

Re: RPM Fusion Bugzilla Bug 5307

2019-09-23 Thread Markus Larsson


On 23 September 2019 21:58:02 CEST, Ty Young  wrote:
>
>On 9/23/19 1:53 PM, Markus Larsson wrote:
>> You already have a solution. Use the solution you have.
>
>
>Not a solution, it's a bandaid to a much larger problem.

You said it works fine in Arch. So use Arch.
You say that it can be configured easily in Fedora so do that and use Fedora.
Those are solutions to your problem.

>
>
>> Fedora will not change to cater to this particular need.
>> Your opinions does not dictate what Fedora should/shouldn't do.
>
>
>Yet Fedora expects other distros/DEs, *including their own spins* to 
>cater to their decisions when those decisions aren't wanted or 
>technically possible to begin with. That's hypocritical.

As a Fedora user I don't expect to be able to demand what defaults Void or Arch 
or Gentoo should have.

>
>
>>
>> Your rants and all caps won't make anything change. Please try to
>deal 
>> with it and move on from this rather dead thread.
>
>
>My apologies for interrupting your daily mailing list programming of 
>package orphaning/retirement. I know everyone's waiting on their seats 
>in anticipation of what packages are going orphaned/retired next, but 
>the current discussion has evolved into something that very much
>impacts 
>that very issue.

How about not interrupting that with something that was very clearly explained 
to you about 50 mails ago?

>
>
>Let me break it down for you:
>
>
>1. More fragmentation means more work to maintain and test everything.
>
>
>2. More work to maintain and test everything requires more people.
>
>
>3. More people means more roles that have to be filled which require 
>experience.
>
>
>4. Different people have different ideas on approaching problems, and 
>since they have experience, they use that experience to fragment the 
>desktop even more instead of compromising or working together. This is 
>*Fedora*
>
>
>5. More fragmentation angers developers who want to support the
>platform 
>since they can't ensure that their software works remotely
>consistently. 
>This is *me*.
>
>
>6. Angry developers means less software for Linux.
>
>
>7. Less software for Linux means less users.
>
>
>8. Less users means a smaller pool of potential people to fill empty
>roles.
>
>
>9. Empty roles means things go stale, bugs go unfixed, and no one has 
>experience.
>
>
>Make any sense? I know it doesn't perfectly loop back at the end but
>1-4 
>does.

No your unrelated 9 step venting does not make any sense unless of course your 
aim was to be rude in a new and slightly more amusing way.
One thing peaked my interest though, what software is it that you wanted to 
"support the platform" with?

>
>
>>
>> Br
>> M
>>
>> On 23 September 2019 20:38:13 CEST, Ty Young  
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 9/23/19 10:00 AM, Michael Catanzaro wrote:
>>> On Mon, Sep 23, 2019 at 9:50 am, Michael Catanzaro
>>>  wrote:
 You're wasting your time. We're not going to run the X server
>as
 root just so you can overclock your GPU. Not a chance.
>>>
>>
>> It isn't just to overclock my GPU, you're *BREAKING PEOPLE'S
>> SOFTWARE, EVEN IF THEY ARE FLATPAK*. The whole point of Flatpak
>> for an end user is cross-distro compatibility!
>>
>>
>>> Anyway, while we won't do that Fedora... since you're clearly
>>> interested in customizing your system, you can do so for
>>> yourself. What you want to do is build gdm using the configure
>>> flag --disable-user-display-server. You can host your special
>gdm
>>> in a copr if you want to make it easier for other Nvidia
>>> overclockers to use it.
>>
>>
>> This is entirely unnecessary. You can enable root X. Org via the
>> config option. A random user's COPR repo isn't a whole lot safer.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> See https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/XorgWithoutRootRights
>>> for why this was changed (over five years ago!). The changes
>were
>>> made upstream, so there is nothing Fedora-specific here. If you
>>> use GNOME on most other distros, you should see the same
>behavior.
>>
>>
>> Five years ago and yet no other DE besides Gnome supports it.
>Five
>> years and many distros that even use Gnome don't even have it
>> enabled by default. Five years and Fedora has done nothing to
>make
>> other DEs support it despite the fact that Fedora is the only one
>> that actually wants the change to begin with.
>>
>>
>> Lets *actually read* that link, shall we?
>>
>>
>> >The user experience will be unchanged
>>
>>
>> This is a blatant lie. Breaking people's software absolutely
>> impacts the user experience.
>>
>>
>> >Desktop product: gdm, Ray Strode is working on this: ?
>>
>> >KDE spin: ?
>>
>> >XFCE spin: ?
>>
>> >LXDE spin: ?
>>
>>
>> Look at that broad DE support. It's *almost* like no one cares or
>> wants this, even after 5 years! There are still open bug reports
>> on multiple distros/DEs that haven't been worked on or updated in
>> 

Fedora-31-20190923.n.0 compose check report

2019-09-23 Thread Fedora compose checker
No missing expected images.

Failed openQA tests: 4/152 (x86_64), 1/2 (arm)

New failures (same test not failed in Fedora-31-20190922.n.0):

ID: 456834  Test: x86_64 KDE-live-iso apps_startstop
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/456834
ID: 456840  Test: x86_64 Silverblue-dvd_ostree-iso install_default@uefi
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/456840

Old failures (same test failed in Fedora-31-20190922.n.0):

ID: 456800  Test: x86_64 Server-dvd-iso modularity_tests
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/456800
ID: 456836  Test: arm Minimal-raw_xz-raw.xz 
install_arm_image_deployment_upload
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/456836
ID: 456839  Test: x86_64 Silverblue-dvd_ostree-iso release_identification
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/456839

Soft failed openQA tests: 2/152 (x86_64)
(Tests completed, but using a workaround for a known bug)

Old soft failures (same test soft failed in Fedora-31-20190922.n.0):

ID: 456813  Test: x86_64 Workstation-live-iso desktop_update_graphical
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/456813
ID: 456915  Test: x86_64 universal install_asian_language
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/456915

Passed openQA tests: 146/152 (x86_64)

New passes (same test not passed in Fedora-31-20190922.n.0):

ID: 456823  Test: x86_64 KDE-live-iso install_no_user
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/456823
ID: 456835  Test: x86_64 KDE-live-iso desktop_notifications_postinstall
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/456835
ID: 456846  Test: x86_64 Silverblue-dvd_ostree-iso desktop_browser
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/456846

Skipped non-gating openQA tests: 1 of 154

Installed system changes in test x86_64 Workstation-live-iso 
install_default_upload: 
Used mem changed from 887 MiB to 987 MiB
System load changed from 0.54 to 1.24
Average CPU usage changed from 13.58095238 to 32.78095238
Previous test data: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/456288#downloads
Current test data: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/456805#downloads

Installed system changes in test x86_64 Workstation-live-iso 
install_default@uefi: 
Used mem changed from 882 MiB to 1001 MiB
Previous test data: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/456290#downloads
Current test data: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/456807#downloads

Installed system changes in test x86_64 KDE-live-iso install_default_upload: 
2 services(s) added since previous compose: 
dbus-:1.6-org.freedesktop.problems@0.service
  loaded active running dbus-:1.6-org.freedesktop.problems@0.service, 
pcscd.service
1 services(s) removed since previous compose: 
dbus-:1.7-org.freedesktop.problems@0.service
  loaded active running dbus-:1.7-org.freedesktop.problems@0.service
System load changed from 1.07 to 2.60
Previous test data: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/456303#downloads
Current test data: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/456820#downloads

Installed system changes in test x86_64 KDE-live-iso install_default@uefi: 
Average CPU usage changed from 6.42857143 to 30.89047619
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Re: RPM Fusion Bugzilla Bug 5307

2019-09-23 Thread Ty Young


On 9/23/19 1:53 PM, Markus Larsson wrote:

You already have a solution. Use the solution you have.



Not a solution, it's a bandaid to a much larger problem.



Fedora will not change to cater to this particular need.
Your opinions does not dictate what Fedora should/shouldn't do.



Yet Fedora expects other distros/DEs, *including their own spins* to 
cater to their decisions when those decisions aren't wanted or 
technically possible to begin with. That's hypocritical.





Your rants and all caps won't make anything change. Please try to deal 
with it and move on from this rather dead thread.



My apologies for interrupting your daily mailing list programming of 
package orphaning/retirement. I know everyone's waiting on their seats 
in anticipation of what packages are going orphaned/retired next, but 
the current discussion has evolved into something that very much impacts 
that very issue.



Let me break it down for you:


1. More fragmentation means more work to maintain and test everything.


2. More work to maintain and test everything requires more people.


3. More people means more roles that have to be filled which require 
experience.



4. Different people have different ideas on approaching problems, and 
since they have experience, they use that experience to fragment the 
desktop even more instead of compromising or working together. This is 
*Fedora*



5. More fragmentation angers developers who want to support the platform 
since they can't ensure that their software works remotely consistently. 
This is *me*.



6. Angry developers means less software for Linux.


7. Less software for Linux means less users.


8. Less users means a smaller pool of potential people to fill empty roles.


9. Empty roles means things go stale, bugs go unfixed, and no one has 
experience.



Make any sense? I know it doesn't perfectly loop back at the end but 1-4 
does.





Br
M

On 23 September 2019 20:38:13 CEST, Ty Young  
wrote:



On 9/23/19 10:00 AM, Michael Catanzaro wrote:

On Mon, Sep 23, 2019 at 9:50 am, Michael Catanzaro
 wrote:

You're wasting your time. We're not going to run the X server as
root just so you can overclock your GPU. Not a chance.




It isn't just to overclock my GPU, you're *BREAKING PEOPLE'S
SOFTWARE, EVEN IF THEY ARE FLATPAK*. The whole point of Flatpak
for an end user is cross-distro compatibility!



Anyway, while we won't do that Fedora... since you're clearly
interested in customizing your system, you can do so for
yourself. What you want to do is build gdm using the configure
flag --disable-user-display-server. You can host your special gdm
in a copr if you want to make it easier for other Nvidia
overclockers to use it.



This is entirely unnecessary. You can enable root X. Org via the
config option. A random user's COPR repo isn't a whole lot safer.




See https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/XorgWithoutRootRights
for why this was changed (over five years ago!). The changes were
made upstream, so there is nothing Fedora-specific here. If you
use GNOME on most other distros, you should see the same behavior.



Five years ago and yet no other DE besides Gnome supports it. Five
years and many distros that even use Gnome don't even have it
enabled by default. Five years and Fedora has done nothing to make
other DEs support it despite the fact that Fedora is the only one
that actually wants the change to begin with.


Lets *actually read* that link, shall we?


>The user experience will be unchanged


This is a blatant lie. Breaking people's software absolutely
impacts the user experience.


>Desktop product: gdm, Ray Strode is working on this: ?

>KDE spin: ?

>XFCE spin: ?

>LXDE spin: ?


Look at that broad DE support. It's *almost* like no one cares or
wants this, even after 5 years! There are still open bug reports
on multiple distros/DEs that haven't been worked on or updated in
years.


>Having the xserver not run as root reduces Fedora's attack surface.


...which few other Linux distro cares about and is seemingly just
a boogeyman used to fearmonger since no one can pin point actual
malicious software that takes advantage of it to begin with.


If you're so afraid of the X. Org as root boogeyman then oh boy,
allow me to turn it up a notch by telling you just *some* of the
things possible with basic *user* account permissions. You can:


-reboot/shutdown


-silently lockup the system by spawning too many threads


-hard lock the system by passing allowed but unsupported values


-fill up memory, resulting in HDD thrashing and potentially
killing your SSD


-create other processes(pop up windows)


-kill other processes


-upload all your files in your home directory to a personal
private server


-delete all your files in your home directory

Re: RPM Fusion Bugzilla Bug 5307

2019-09-23 Thread Chris Murphy
On Mon, Sep 23, 2019 at 1:03 PM Ty Young  wrote:
>
> Throwing the baby out with the bathwater, really? Wayland doesn't even
> work on a large selection of hardware(Nvidia) and has many missing
> features deemed to be vital for some people which X. Org does have. This
> has been a common criticism of Wayland and every advocates and
> developers put their fingers in their ears and ignore it. People are
> just going to continue to use X. Org, if this is they way you're going
> to do things, you realize?

https://blogs.gnome.org/uraeus/2019/06/24/on-the-road-to-fedora-workstation-31/

There are improvements happening in both Wayland and XWayland to
address each of your concerns.

If some projects want to keep using X, that's their choice, but the X
developers are the Wayland developers, and they're pretty much
completely done with X. It's on life support. So if people who haven't
been maintaining X expect others to keep doing that work, they're
going to be disappointed. They need to be using what resources they
have to make sure their stuff at least works on XWayland if not
natively on Wayland. This is not news, by the way. It's been a long
time coming.


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Re: RPM Fusion Bugzilla Bug 5307

2019-09-23 Thread Ty Young


On 9/23/19 2:02 PM, Solomon Peachy wrote:

On Mon, Sep 23, 2019 at 01:38:13PM -0500, Ty Young wrote:

...among a whole lot else I'm probably forgetting.

You're forgetten one very important thing:

   
https://web.archive.org/save/_embed/http://safr.kingfeatures.com/idn/ck3/email/zone.php?r=a%3A5%3A%7Bs%3A32%3A%2254d8566c10474186daf7afad5e278446%22%3Bs%3A4%3A%22yEzN%22%3Bs%3A32%3A%22db39b16217194b9c4572eaee71c6d9d4%22%3Bs%3A8%3A%22%3D%3DgMxITM%22%3Bs%3A32%3A%22e423795a96f7ae758972343e1e1abe63%22%3Bs%3A12%3A%22%3DcTMzAjNxAjM%22%3Bs%3A32%3A%22d455c859707761b953418a1a46638948%22%3Bs%3A4%3A%22%3D%3DQM%22%3Bs%3A32%3A%22157e8ad5f0a597dbf7f9c967dfc889dd%22%3Bs%3A24%3A%22%3D02bj5SbvR2Zul2azNWat92Y%22%3B%7D

As the old saying goes, "You catch more flies with honey than vinegar"



The saying is true but given the context there is more complexity to the 
story.



If a user runs a malicious program as their account you might not have 
the keys to the kingdom but you still have the keys to the front door. 
This is especially true if they are the only user on the system. The 
user account is the lowest hanging fruit which takes the least effort to 
compromise and do malicious things with. The Gentoo wiki even stated 
this to be the case.



Sure you might(?, I've never set an application to launch on startup 
under Linux myself...) not be able to be persistent across reboots but 
you need to be? Maybe the user rarely shuts down their computer. Does 
being persistent even matter at that point?






  - Solomon

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Re: RPM Fusion Bugzilla Bug 5307

2019-09-23 Thread Adam Williamson
On Sat, 2019-09-21 at 22:24 -0400, Neal Gompa wrote:
> 
> > > We still offer Workstation. Just use that. :)
> > 
> > The unreliable update servers affect Workstation too. Again, upgrades on
> > workstation take forever. Silverblue is much faster.
> > 
> > 
> > ...but I digress... again.
> > 
> > 
> 
> We also do have regular respins of the media for the latest release:
> https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/live-respins/
> 
> I'm not sure why we don't publicize them, but they are made on a regular 
> basis.

Because they're not really official and they're subject to only limited
testing. They are built by a volunteer and aren't built entirely the
same way we build official images.

We don't do fully official respins on the basis that the time it would
cost releng to build them, QA to test them and developers to fix any
issues that showed up would not be worth it. Yes, it is entirely
possible for things to go out as updates that work fine *as updates*
but cause issues in the "produce working installer/live images"
process.

We have rather *better* releng and testing systems in place now than we
did when the decision not to do regular official respins was made, so
it's a decision that could be revisited at some point. But that's where
we are right now.
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Re: RPM Fusion Bugzilla Bug 5307

2019-09-23 Thread Solomon Peachy
On Mon, Sep 23, 2019 at 01:38:13PM -0500, Ty Young wrote:
> ...among a whole lot else I'm probably forgetting.

You're forgetten one very important thing:

  
https://web.archive.org/save/_embed/http://safr.kingfeatures.com/idn/ck3/email/zone.php?r=a%3A5%3A%7Bs%3A32%3A%2254d8566c10474186daf7afad5e278446%22%3Bs%3A4%3A%22yEzN%22%3Bs%3A32%3A%22db39b16217194b9c4572eaee71c6d9d4%22%3Bs%3A8%3A%22%3D%3DgMxITM%22%3Bs%3A32%3A%22e423795a96f7ae758972343e1e1abe63%22%3Bs%3A12%3A%22%3DcTMzAjNxAjM%22%3Bs%3A32%3A%22d455c859707761b953418a1a46638948%22%3Bs%3A4%3A%22%3D%3DQM%22%3Bs%3A32%3A%22157e8ad5f0a597dbf7f9c967dfc889dd%22%3Bs%3A24%3A%22%3D02bj5SbvR2Zul2azNWat92Y%22%3B%7D

As the old saying goes, "You catch more flies with honey than vinegar"

 - Solomon
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Re: RPM Fusion Bugzilla Bug 5307

2019-09-23 Thread Ty Young


On 9/23/19 12:55 PM, Neal Gompa wrote:

On Mon, Sep 23, 2019 at 1:49 PM Ty Young  wrote:


On 9/23/19 9:56 AM, Neal Gompa wrote:

On Sun, Sep 22, 2019 at 11:03 PM Ty Young  wrote:

On 9/22/19 9:09 PM, Neal Gompa wrote:

On Sun, Sep 22, 2019 at 7:25 PM Ty Young  wrote:

On 9/22/19 5:51 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote:

On 9/22/19 3:10 PM, Ty Young wrote:

I couldn't actually install the drivers because the update GUI in the
cinnamon spin is broken and/or the repo/update servers are down. Again.

I don't know why you're having so much trouble with updates.  But just
in case you're referring to rpmfusion as you have in other emails, I
hope you're aware that Redhat has nothing to do with them.  They are
an independent third-party repo not managed by Fedora.  They host
packages that can't, for various reasons, be distributed by Fedora.

No, I meant the package manager GUI front-end won't work:


https://imgur.com/a/Dajf28T



I'm sorry that dnfdragora isn't quite working properly on your system.
As one of the developers of dnfdragora and dnfdaemon, I'm aware of
some of those quirks, and myself and the other developer have been
trying to work on fixing these problems. It's difficult though, as
both of us are working on it in our spare time. We're committed to
improving it, but I have to find time for it, among everything else.

If you'd like to help, we'd appreciate it. The project is here:
https://github.com/manatools/dnfdragora

It's fine, I completely understand. I just happened to pick the Cinnamon
spin since I knew it and MATE used LightDM and I don't use Fedora so I
don't know if I can be of any help.



Also, Spanish(?) confirm prompt when rest of GUI is English:


https://imgur.com/a/7ashccO


...and proof X.Org on Cinnamon is running as root:


https://imgur.com/a/UcLjjKT


Yet on Gnome Fedora it isn't:


https://imgur.com/a/DlXwcdK


So is Fedora going to admit it's a bug in Gnome Fedora or are we going
to keep being salty that Nvidia doesn't support or have an Open Source
driver by pointing the finger at them? Actually fixing the bug would be
the more productive option here.


Well, the rootless X thing is from gnome-session down, so that's a
GNOME thing. I'm aware that not all DEs do this, the work was
primarily done in GNOME.

How would you propose we fix this bug, as you call it?

Well, what exactly was the old behavior before? I know for a fact X. Org
was running as root during the beta. Is X. Org as root during beta
periods only the norm?


Neither of the two other major distro families, Arch Linux and Ubuntu
with Gnome, have X. Org as root disabled, at least not when running the
Nvidia binary. Are there any malicious software that even exists that
exploit X. Org being ran as root? If no one else sees that as an issue
then why does Fedora? And is disabling root X. Org worth breaking
people's software that would otherwise work?


Clearly few DM(s) other than Gnome supports it despite earlier claims,
so it isn't even standard behavior. Fedora supports multiple spins
including DM(s) that don't support it, so you're just fragmenting your
own ecosystem if it is enabled on Gnome Fedora only. That's not a great
idea.


So, IMO, the correct behavior here would be to disable until at least
other DM(s) support it and other distros enabled it by default so that
Fedora is at least following standards. Once it *actually* gets adopted
*maybe* Nvidia will allow overclocking on non root X. Org but that could
just be wishful thinking. At minimum there should always be an option to
disable security features, especially if it results in performance
loss(e.g. Specter) or, in this case, application compatibility problems
easily... and editing a config file isn't that easy, obvious, or in some
cases even safe.


The problem with that is that if we did it that way, nobody would
adapt to the change. Much in the same manner that we're moving to
cgroups v2 in Fedora 31, if we didn't do it, we can't suss out
breakages and fix them (if possible). And if third parties that don't
keep up with these changes (especially one that happened in 2013 for
Fedora GNOME!), there's not much that can be done.


Fedora is not Linux. You are not the sole arbiters of what gets changed
in the Linux ecosystem. You all need to get that through your damn
heads. No other distro/DE besides Gnome supports this and it doesn't
look like that's ever going to change.


We are not, sure. But the Fedora distribution is allowed to have the
opinion to do new things and see how it goes.



How it went was awful. No other distro/DE supported it and it breaks 
user applications.




  Each of the spins are
allowed to work towards implementing this whenever they want. I
suspect at this point we're mostly waiting to move to Wayland on the
spins rather than doing work on Xorg stuff.



Throwing the baby out with the bathwater, really? Wayland doesn't even 
work on a large selection of hardware(Nvidia) and has many missing 
features deemed to be vital for some people 

Re: Fedora 32 Self-Contained Change proposal: Better Thermal Management for the Workstation

2019-09-23 Thread Michael Catanzaro
On Mon, Sep 23, 2019 at 11:50 am, Chris Murphy 
 wrote:

On my commodity HP Spectre laptop, when thermald is running, it causes
four kidle-inject process to totally soak spare CPU. And now I'm not
able to play even a single youtube video, and any appreciable effort
in Firefox also causes these processes to tamp down, making everything
super sluggish and basically terrible.


OK, sounds like either thermald developers should find time to sit down 
with you and get this fixed, or else thermald isn't ready for 
Workstation.


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Re: RPM Fusion Bugzilla Bug 5307

2019-09-23 Thread Markus Larsson
You already have a solution. Use the solution you have. 
Fedora will not change to cater to this particular need.
Your opinions does not dictate what Fedora should/shouldn't do.

Your rants and all caps won't make anything change. Please try to deal with it 
and move on from this rather dead thread.

Br
M

On 23 September 2019 20:38:13 CEST, Ty Young  wrote:
>
>On 9/23/19 10:00 AM, Michael Catanzaro wrote:
>> On Mon, Sep 23, 2019 at 9:50 am, Michael Catanzaro 
>>  wrote:
>>> You're wasting your time. We're not going to run the X server as
>root 
>>> just so you can overclock your GPU. Not a chance.
>>
>
>It isn't just to overclock my GPU, you're *BREAKING PEOPLE'S SOFTWARE, 
>EVEN IF THEY ARE FLATPAK*. The whole point of Flatpak for an end user
>is 
>cross-distro compatibility!
>
>
>> Anyway, while we won't do that Fedora... since you're clearly 
>> interested in customizing your system, you can do so for yourself. 
>> What you want to do is build gdm using the configure flag 
>> --disable-user-display-server. You can host your special gdm in a
>copr 
>> if you want to make it easier for other Nvidia overclockers to use
>it.
>
>
>This is entirely unnecessary. You can enable root X. Org via the config
>
>option. A random user's COPR repo isn't a whole lot safer.
>
>
>>
>> See https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/XorgWithoutRootRights for 
>> why this was changed (over five years ago!). The changes were made 
>> upstream, so there is nothing Fedora-specific here. If you use GNOME 
>> on most other distros, you should see the same behavior.
>
>
>Five years ago and yet no other DE besides Gnome supports it. Five
>years 
>and many distros that even use Gnome don't even have it enabled by 
>default. Five years and Fedora has done nothing to make other DEs 
>support it despite the fact that Fedora is the only one that actually 
>wants the change to begin with.
>
>
>Lets *actually read* that link, shall we?
>
>
> >The user experience will be unchanged
>
>
>This is a blatant lie. Breaking people's software absolutely impacts
>the 
>user experience.
>
>
>>Desktop product: gdm, Ray Strode is working on this: ?
>
>>KDE spin: ?
>
> >XFCE spin: ?
>
> >LXDE spin: ?
>
>
>Look at that broad DE support. It's *almost* like no one cares or wants
>
>this, even after 5 years! There are still open bug reports on multiple 
>distros/DEs that haven't been worked on or updated in years.
>
>
> >Having the xserver not run as root reduces Fedora's attack surface.
>
>
>...which few other Linux distro cares about and is seemingly just a 
>boogeyman used to fearmonger since no one can pin point actual
>malicious 
>software that takes advantage of it to begin with.
>
>
>If you're so afraid of the X. Org as root boogeyman then oh boy, allow 
>me to turn it up a notch by telling you just *some* of the things 
>possible with basic *user* account permissions. You can:
>
>
>-reboot/shutdown
>
>
>-silently lockup the system by spawning too many threads
>
>
>-hard lock the system by passing allowed but unsupported values
>
>
>-fill up memory, resulting in HDD thrashing and potentially killing
>your SSD
>
>
>-create other processes(pop up windows)
>
>
>-kill other processes
>
>
>-upload all your files in your home directory to a personal private
>server
>
>
>-delete all your files in your home directory
>
>
>-encrypt all your files in your home directory.
>
>
>...among a whole lot else I'm probably forgetting.
>
>
>Point is, at some point you need to let the security crap go. No one 
>else cares besides Fedora and Gnome.
>
>
>
>> The only distro I know of that uses --disable-user-display-server is 
>> Endless.
>>
>> Michael
>>
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Re: RPM Fusion Bugzilla Bug 5307

2019-09-23 Thread Michael Catanzaro

On Mon, Sep 23, 2019 at 1:38 pm, Ty Young  wrote:
This is entirely unnecessary. You can enable root X. Org via the 
config option. A random user's COPR repo isn't a whole lot safer.


Oh nice. Then you can change that and stop complaining. Thanks!

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[EPEL-devel] Re: TeamViewer on RHEL 8 and qt. Help needed

2019-09-23 Thread Troy Dawson
On Mon, Sep 23, 2019 at 10:53 AM Stephen John Smoogen  wrote:
>
> On Mon, 23 Sep 2019 at 12:31, Thomas Stephen Lee  wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > download the tar version and extract
> >
> > https://download.teamviewer.com/download/linux/teamviewer_amd64.tar.xz
> >
> > cd to the folder
> >
> > run
> >
> > ./tv-setup checklibs
> >
> > the output shows
> >
> > -
> > Analyzing dependencies ...
> > libQt5Positioning.so.5 => not found
> > libQt5Sensors.so.5 => not found
> > libQt5WebChannel.so.5 => not found
> >
> > The libraries listed above seem to be missing.
> >
>
> You need to install qt5-qtwebchannel qt5-qtsensors qt5-qtlocation
> qt5-qtbase-gui qt5-qtx11extras qt5-qtdeclarative and probably a bunch
> others..
>
> dnf repoquery --whatprovides=libQt5WebKitWidgets.so.5
>
> and similar will tell you what is needed
>
> > --
> >
> > and it also asks to run the command.
> >
> >  dnf install 'libdbus-1.so.3()(64bit)' 'libQt5Gui.so.5()(64bit)' 
> > 'libQt5Widgets.so.5()(64bit)' 'libQt5Qml.so.5()(64bit)' 
> > 'libQt5Quick.so.5()(64bit)' 'libQt5WebKitWidgets.so.5()(64bit)' 
> > 'libQt5X11Extras.so.5()(64bit)' 'libqtquick2plugin.so()(64bit)' 
> > 'libwindowplugin.so()(64bit)' 'libqquicklayoutsplugin.so()(64bit)' 
> > 'libqtquickcontrolsplugin.so()(64bit)' 'libdialogplugin.so()(64bit)'
> >
>
> From teh above the following don't seem available:
>
> libwindowplugin.so
> libqquicklayoutsplugin.so
> libdialogplugin.so
>
> but they don't show up in a Fedora 30 box either so I am guessing it
> needs something not listed.
>

Correct.
This isn't a RHEL8 thing.

> >
> > Ran the command on RHEL 8 and most libraries are missing (epel-playground 
> > and epel-testing repos are enabled).
> > Is it something to do with RHEL 8 not supporting KDE?
> >
> > What is the solution to get TeamViewer working on RHEL 8?

From the teamviewer page
https://www.teamviewer.com/en-us/download/linux/
you can download an rpm designed for CentOS and Fedora
https://www.teamviewer.com/en-us/teamviewer-automatic-download/?package=teamviewer=x86_64.rpm=linux

That package seems to be able to install on both Fedora and RHEL8 with
epel8-playground enabled.

> >
> > thanks.
> >
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Re: RPM Fusion Bugzilla Bug 5307

2019-09-23 Thread Japheth Cleaver

On 9/23/2019 10:55 AM, Neal Gompa wrote:

On Mon, Sep 23, 2019 at 1:49 PM Ty Young  wrote:


On 9/23/19 9:56 AM, Neal Gompa wrote:

The problem with that is that if we did it that way, nobody would
adapt to the change. Much in the same manner that we're moving to
cgroups v2 in Fedora 31, if we didn't do it, we can't suss out
breakages and fix them (if possible). And if third parties that don't
keep up with these changes (especially one that happened in 2013 for
Fedora GNOME!), there's not much that can be done.


Fedora is not Linux. You are not the sole arbiters of what gets changed
in the Linux ecosystem. You all need to get that through your damn
heads. No other distro/DE besides Gnome supports this and it doesn't
look like that's ever going to change.


We are not, sure. But the Fedora distribution is allowed to have the
opinion to do new things and see how it goes. Each of the spins are
allowed to work towards implementing this whenever they want. I
suspect at this point we're mostly waiting to move to Wayland on the
spins rather than doing work on Xorg stuff.



This is true, but somewhat sidesteps the very real point that "Fedora 
Linux" has a larger-than-normal impact on the Linux ecosystem as a 
whole, as well as that it's essentially the branching upstream of RHEL, 
and thus all EL-derivatives.


IMHO it's entirely justified to criticize Fedora for questionable 
decisions or decision-making when those decisions impact non- "Fedora 
Linux" users. Disallowing that smacks of wanting to have one's cake and 
eat it too when it comes to influence. (See also: Fedora v. FreeDesktop 
decision-making)


-jc
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Re: RPM Fusion Bugzilla Bug 5307

2019-09-23 Thread Ty Young


On 9/23/19 10:00 AM, Michael Catanzaro wrote:
On Mon, Sep 23, 2019 at 9:50 am, Michael Catanzaro 
 wrote:
You're wasting your time. We're not going to run the X server as root 
just so you can overclock your GPU. Not a chance.




It isn't just to overclock my GPU, you're *BREAKING PEOPLE'S SOFTWARE, 
EVEN IF THEY ARE FLATPAK*. The whole point of Flatpak for an end user is 
cross-distro compatibility!



Anyway, while we won't do that Fedora... since you're clearly 
interested in customizing your system, you can do so for yourself. 
What you want to do is build gdm using the configure flag 
--disable-user-display-server. You can host your special gdm in a copr 
if you want to make it easier for other Nvidia overclockers to use it.



This is entirely unnecessary. You can enable root X. Org via the config 
option. A random user's COPR repo isn't a whole lot safer.





See https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/XorgWithoutRootRights for 
why this was changed (over five years ago!). The changes were made 
upstream, so there is nothing Fedora-specific here. If you use GNOME 
on most other distros, you should see the same behavior.



Five years ago and yet no other DE besides Gnome supports it. Five years 
and many distros that even use Gnome don't even have it enabled by 
default. Five years and Fedora has done nothing to make other DEs 
support it despite the fact that Fedora is the only one that actually 
wants the change to begin with.



Lets *actually read* that link, shall we?


>The user experience will be unchanged


This is a blatant lie. Breaking people's software absolutely impacts the 
user experience.




Desktop product: gdm, Ray Strode is working on this: ?



KDE spin: ?


>XFCE spin: ?

>LXDE spin: ?


Look at that broad DE support. It's *almost* like no one cares or wants 
this, even after 5 years! There are still open bug reports on multiple 
distros/DEs that haven't been worked on or updated in years.



>Having the xserver not run as root reduces Fedora's attack surface.


...which few other Linux distro cares about and is seemingly just a 
boogeyman used to fearmonger since no one can pin point actual malicious 
software that takes advantage of it to begin with.



If you're so afraid of the X. Org as root boogeyman then oh boy, allow 
me to turn it up a notch by telling you just *some* of the things 
possible with basic *user* account permissions. You can:



-reboot/shutdown


-silently lockup the system by spawning too many threads


-hard lock the system by passing allowed but unsupported values


-fill up memory, resulting in HDD thrashing and potentially killing your SSD


-create other processes(pop up windows)


-kill other processes


-upload all your files in your home directory to a personal private server


-delete all your files in your home directory


-encrypt all your files in your home directory.


...among a whole lot else I'm probably forgetting.


Point is, at some point you need to let the security crap go. No one 
else cares besides Fedora and Gnome.




The only distro I know of that uses --disable-user-display-server is 
Endless.


Michael

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Re: RPM Fusion Bugzilla Bug 5307

2019-09-23 Thread Neal Gompa
On Mon, Sep 23, 2019 at 1:49 PM Ty Young  wrote:
>
>
> On 9/23/19 9:56 AM, Neal Gompa wrote:
> > On Sun, Sep 22, 2019 at 11:03 PM Ty Young  wrote:
> >>
> >> On 9/22/19 9:09 PM, Neal Gompa wrote:
> >>> On Sun, Sep 22, 2019 at 7:25 PM Ty Young  wrote:
>  On 9/22/19 5:51 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote:
> > On 9/22/19 3:10 PM, Ty Young wrote:
> >> I couldn't actually install the drivers because the update GUI in the
> >> cinnamon spin is broken and/or the repo/update servers are down. Again.
> > I don't know why you're having so much trouble with updates.  But just
> > in case you're referring to rpmfusion as you have in other emails, I
> > hope you're aware that Redhat has nothing to do with them.  They are
> > an independent third-party repo not managed by Fedora.  They host
> > packages that can't, for various reasons, be distributed by Fedora.
>  No, I meant the package manager GUI front-end won't work:
> 
> 
>  https://imgur.com/a/Dajf28T
> 
> 
> >>> I'm sorry that dnfdragora isn't quite working properly on your system.
> >>> As one of the developers of dnfdragora and dnfdaemon, I'm aware of
> >>> some of those quirks, and myself and the other developer have been
> >>> trying to work on fixing these problems. It's difficult though, as
> >>> both of us are working on it in our spare time. We're committed to
> >>> improving it, but I have to find time for it, among everything else.
> >>>
> >>> If you'd like to help, we'd appreciate it. The project is here:
> >>> https://github.com/manatools/dnfdragora
> >>
> >> It's fine, I completely understand. I just happened to pick the Cinnamon
> >> spin since I knew it and MATE used LightDM and I don't use Fedora so I
> >> don't know if I can be of any help.
> >>
> >>
>  Also, Spanish(?) confirm prompt when rest of GUI is English:
> 
> 
>  https://imgur.com/a/7ashccO
> 
> 
>  ...and proof X.Org on Cinnamon is running as root:
> 
> 
>  https://imgur.com/a/UcLjjKT
> 
> 
>  Yet on Gnome Fedora it isn't:
> 
> 
>  https://imgur.com/a/DlXwcdK
> 
> 
>  So is Fedora going to admit it's a bug in Gnome Fedora or are we going
>  to keep being salty that Nvidia doesn't support or have an Open Source
>  driver by pointing the finger at them? Actually fixing the bug would be
>  the more productive option here.
> 
> >>> Well, the rootless X thing is from gnome-session down, so that's a
> >>> GNOME thing. I'm aware that not all DEs do this, the work was
> >>> primarily done in GNOME.
> >>>
> >>> How would you propose we fix this bug, as you call it?
> >>
> >> Well, what exactly was the old behavior before? I know for a fact X. Org
> >> was running as root during the beta. Is X. Org as root during beta
> >> periods only the norm?
> >>
> >>
> >> Neither of the two other major distro families, Arch Linux and Ubuntu
> >> with Gnome, have X. Org as root disabled, at least not when running the
> >> Nvidia binary. Are there any malicious software that even exists that
> >> exploit X. Org being ran as root? If no one else sees that as an issue
> >> then why does Fedora? And is disabling root X. Org worth breaking
> >> people's software that would otherwise work?
> >>
> >>
> >> Clearly few DM(s) other than Gnome supports it despite earlier claims,
> >> so it isn't even standard behavior. Fedora supports multiple spins
> >> including DM(s) that don't support it, so you're just fragmenting your
> >> own ecosystem if it is enabled on Gnome Fedora only. That's not a great
> >> idea.
> >>
> >>
> >> So, IMO, the correct behavior here would be to disable until at least
> >> other DM(s) support it and other distros enabled it by default so that
> >> Fedora is at least following standards. Once it *actually* gets adopted
> >> *maybe* Nvidia will allow overclocking on non root X. Org but that could
> >> just be wishful thinking. At minimum there should always be an option to
> >> disable security features, especially if it results in performance
> >> loss(e.g. Specter) or, in this case, application compatibility problems
> >> easily... and editing a config file isn't that easy, obvious, or in some
> >> cases even safe.
> >>
> > The problem with that is that if we did it that way, nobody would
> > adapt to the change. Much in the same manner that we're moving to
> > cgroups v2 in Fedora 31, if we didn't do it, we can't suss out
> > breakages and fix them (if possible). And if third parties that don't
> > keep up with these changes (especially one that happened in 2013 for
> > Fedora GNOME!), there's not much that can be done.
>
>
> Fedora is not Linux. You are not the sole arbiters of what gets changed
> in the Linux ecosystem. You all need to get that through your damn
> heads. No other distro/DE besides Gnome supports this and it doesn't
> look like that's ever going to change.
>

We are not, sure. But the Fedora distribution is allowed to have the
opinion to 

[EPEL-devel] Re: TeamViewer on RHEL 8 and qt. Help needed

2019-09-23 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Mon, 23 Sep 2019 at 12:31, Thomas Stephen Lee  wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> download the tar version and extract
>
> https://download.teamviewer.com/download/linux/teamviewer_amd64.tar.xz
>
> cd to the folder
>
> run
>
> ./tv-setup checklibs
>
> the output shows
>
> -
> Analyzing dependencies ...
> libQt5Positioning.so.5 => not found
> libQt5Sensors.so.5 => not found
> libQt5WebChannel.so.5 => not found
>
> The libraries listed above seem to be missing.
>

You need to install qt5-qtwebchannel qt5-qtsensors qt5-qtlocation
qt5-qtbase-gui qt5-qtx11extras qt5-qtdeclarative and probably a bunch
others..

dnf repoquery --whatprovides=libQt5WebKitWidgets.so.5

and similar will tell you what is needed

> --
>
> and it also asks to run the command.
>
>  dnf install 'libdbus-1.so.3()(64bit)' 'libQt5Gui.so.5()(64bit)' 
> 'libQt5Widgets.so.5()(64bit)' 'libQt5Qml.so.5()(64bit)' 
> 'libQt5Quick.so.5()(64bit)' 'libQt5WebKitWidgets.so.5()(64bit)' 
> 'libQt5X11Extras.so.5()(64bit)' 'libqtquick2plugin.so()(64bit)' 
> 'libwindowplugin.so()(64bit)' 'libqquicklayoutsplugin.so()(64bit)' 
> 'libqtquickcontrolsplugin.so()(64bit)' 'libdialogplugin.so()(64bit)'
>

From teh above the following don't seem available:

libwindowplugin.so
libqquicklayoutsplugin.so
libdialogplugin.so

but they don't show up in a Fedora 30 box either so I am guessing it
needs something not listed.

>
> Ran the command on RHEL 8 and most libraries are missing (epel-playground and 
> epel-testing repos are enabled).
> Is it something to do with RHEL 8 not supporting KDE?
>
> What is the solution to get TeamViewer working on RHEL 8?
>
> thanks.
>
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Re: Fedora 32 Self-Contained Change proposal: Better Thermal Management for the Workstation

2019-09-23 Thread Chris Murphy
On Mon, Sep 23, 2019 at 8:21 AM Ben Cotton  wrote:
>
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/ThermalManagementWS
>
> == Summary ==
> Better thermal management and peak performance on Intel CPUs by
> including thermald in the default install.
>
> == Owner ==
> * Name: [[User:benzea| Benjamin Berg]]
> * Email: bb...@redhat.com
>
> * Name: [[User:ckellner| Christian J. Kellner]]
> * Email: ckell...@redhat.com
> * Product: Workstation
> * Responsible WG: Workstation
>
> == Detailed Description ==
>
> Modern Intel-based systems provide sensors and methods to monitor and
> control temperature of its CPUs. The Thermal daemon will use those
> sensors to monitor the temperature and use the best available method
> to keep the CPU in the right temperature envelop. On certain systems
> this is needed to reach the maximal performance. For optimal
> performance a per-model thermald configuration should be created, this
> can either be done by using dptfxtract (available from rpmfusion) or
> we could ship static configuration files for a set of known models.

I generally like the idea, but my concern is with my experience having
run thermald out of the box (both upstream as well as the Federa
packaged version).

On my commodity HP Spectre laptop, when thermald is running, it causes
four kidle-inject process to totally soak spare CPU. And now I'm not
able to play even a single youtube video, and any appreciable effort
in Firefox also causes these processes to tamp down, making everything
super sluggish and basically terrible.

I reported this experience a year ago not knowing at the time it was
thermald that was causing this behavior. It took me a while to make
the connection.
https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/BK2DVB4PA37FMB2DTMUI4YBM7YDGSJTK/

That definitely cannot happen by default for anyone. It's so
non-obvious what's causing it, and such a bad experience, that I'm not
willing to foist it on a single person. I'd sooner foist it on
hundreds, at least the screaming will be loud enough everyone will
figure out what's going on.


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Re: RPM Fusion Bugzilla Bug 5307

2019-09-23 Thread Ty Young


On 9/23/19 9:56 AM, Neal Gompa wrote:

On Sun, Sep 22, 2019 at 11:03 PM Ty Young  wrote:


On 9/22/19 9:09 PM, Neal Gompa wrote:

On Sun, Sep 22, 2019 at 7:25 PM Ty Young  wrote:

On 9/22/19 5:51 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote:

On 9/22/19 3:10 PM, Ty Young wrote:

I couldn't actually install the drivers because the update GUI in the
cinnamon spin is broken and/or the repo/update servers are down. Again.

I don't know why you're having so much trouble with updates.  But just
in case you're referring to rpmfusion as you have in other emails, I
hope you're aware that Redhat has nothing to do with them.  They are
an independent third-party repo not managed by Fedora.  They host
packages that can't, for various reasons, be distributed by Fedora.

No, I meant the package manager GUI front-end won't work:


https://imgur.com/a/Dajf28T



I'm sorry that dnfdragora isn't quite working properly on your system.
As one of the developers of dnfdragora and dnfdaemon, I'm aware of
some of those quirks, and myself and the other developer have been
trying to work on fixing these problems. It's difficult though, as
both of us are working on it in our spare time. We're committed to
improving it, but I have to find time for it, among everything else.

If you'd like to help, we'd appreciate it. The project is here:
https://github.com/manatools/dnfdragora


It's fine, I completely understand. I just happened to pick the Cinnamon
spin since I knew it and MATE used LightDM and I don't use Fedora so I
don't know if I can be of any help.



Also, Spanish(?) confirm prompt when rest of GUI is English:


https://imgur.com/a/7ashccO


...and proof X.Org on Cinnamon is running as root:


https://imgur.com/a/UcLjjKT


Yet on Gnome Fedora it isn't:


https://imgur.com/a/DlXwcdK


So is Fedora going to admit it's a bug in Gnome Fedora or are we going
to keep being salty that Nvidia doesn't support or have an Open Source
driver by pointing the finger at them? Actually fixing the bug would be
the more productive option here.


Well, the rootless X thing is from gnome-session down, so that's a
GNOME thing. I'm aware that not all DEs do this, the work was
primarily done in GNOME.

How would you propose we fix this bug, as you call it?


Well, what exactly was the old behavior before? I know for a fact X. Org
was running as root during the beta. Is X. Org as root during beta
periods only the norm?


Neither of the two other major distro families, Arch Linux and Ubuntu
with Gnome, have X. Org as root disabled, at least not when running the
Nvidia binary. Are there any malicious software that even exists that
exploit X. Org being ran as root? If no one else sees that as an issue
then why does Fedora? And is disabling root X. Org worth breaking
people's software that would otherwise work?


Clearly few DM(s) other than Gnome supports it despite earlier claims,
so it isn't even standard behavior. Fedora supports multiple spins
including DM(s) that don't support it, so you're just fragmenting your
own ecosystem if it is enabled on Gnome Fedora only. That's not a great
idea.


So, IMO, the correct behavior here would be to disable until at least
other DM(s) support it and other distros enabled it by default so that
Fedora is at least following standards. Once it *actually* gets adopted
*maybe* Nvidia will allow overclocking on non root X. Org but that could
just be wishful thinking. At minimum there should always be an option to
disable security features, especially if it results in performance
loss(e.g. Specter) or, in this case, application compatibility problems
easily... and editing a config file isn't that easy, obvious, or in some
cases even safe.


The problem with that is that if we did it that way, nobody would
adapt to the change. Much in the same manner that we're moving to
cgroups v2 in Fedora 31, if we didn't do it, we can't suss out
breakages and fix them (if possible). And if third parties that don't
keep up with these changes (especially one that happened in 2013 for
Fedora GNOME!), there's not much that can be done.



Fedora is not Linux. You are not the sole arbiters of what gets changed 
in the Linux ecosystem. You all need to get that through your damn 
heads. No other distro/DE besides Gnome supports this and it doesn't 
look like that's ever going to change.



The ONLY reason Plymouth(from my understanding, a Fedora initiative) and 
Flicker Free boot was/is being adopted by other distros is because 
Fedora did the work for them. Since Fedora isn't putting in the work to 
ensure DEs on their own distro support it, no one cares and won't adopt 
it universally.



And hey, all of those DEs are Open Source. It's almost like being Open 
Source doesn't increase the rate that something gets fixed. Imagine that.







Maybe provide an optional rootless login session option in Gnome's login
screen?


Again, it doesn't force things to change in the ecosystem, and worse,
it makes it more difficult for QA and release verification, as we add

Re: How to subscribe to Bugzilla components?

2019-09-23 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Mon, Sep 23, 2019 at 11:50:44AM -0500, Michael Catanzaro wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Do anyone know how to subscribe to Bugzilla bugs for a particular component?
> 
> I'm trying to watch glib-networking bugs. I'm already watching issues and
> PRs at https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/glib-networking, but that only
> watches for Pagure issues, not Bugzilla.

On src.fedoraproject.org 'issues' are bugzilla bugs, so it should add
you to CC on any new bugs if you are watching the component there. 

Note that that only means new bugs (It won't go back and add you to
existing bugs), and the script that does this sync runs once per day. 

> I'm already watching webkit2gtk3 package issues on Bugzilla and this works
> exactly as I would expect, but I think I configured that long ago with pkgdb
> back when pkgdb still existed.
> 
> This seems pretty basic, so it shouldn't be hard. Any ideas?

I don't see you watching that component directly, only via the gnome-sig
group. (So bug copies would go to gnome-...@lists.fedoraproject.org). 
 
> Michael

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Re: libb2-0.98.1 on Rawhide

2019-09-23 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Sat, Sep 21, 2019 at 08:41:09AM +0200, Felix Schwarz wrote:
> Am 19.09.19 um 19:59 schrieb Antonio Trande:
> > libb2-0.98.1 built
> 
> Thanks - test suite for borgbackup still passes so I think we're fine :-)

Well, except that someone needs to rebuild borgbackup?

 Problem 2: problem with installed package borgbackup-1.1.10-4.fc32.x86_64
  - package borgbackup-1.1.10-4.fc32.x86_64 requires libb2.so.0()(64bit), but 
none of the providers can be installed
  - libb2-0.98-4.20171225git60ea749.fc31.x86_64 does not belong to a 
distupgrade repository

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Re: How to subscribe to Bugzilla components?

2019-09-23 Thread Samuel Sieb

On 9/23/19 9:50 AM, Michael Catanzaro wrote:
Do anyone know how to subscribe to Bugzilla bugs for a particular 
component?


Hover on your name at the top-right, then click preferences.  There's a 
tab for "Component Watching".  Direct link:

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=component_watch
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How to subscribe to Bugzilla components?

2019-09-23 Thread Michael Catanzaro

Hi,

Do anyone know how to subscribe to Bugzilla bugs for a particular 
component?


I'm trying to watch glib-networking bugs. I'm already watching issues 
and PRs at https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/glib-networking, but that 
only watches for Pagure issues, not Bugzilla.


I'm already watching webkit2gtk3 package issues on Bugzilla and this 
works exactly as I would expect, but I think I configured that long ago 
with pkgdb back when pkgdb still existed.


This seems pretty basic, so it shouldn't be hard. Any ideas?

Michael

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Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2019-09-23)

2019-09-23 Thread Petr Šabata
=
#fedora-meeting-1: FESCO (2019-09-23)
=


Meeting started by contyk at 15:00:22 UTC. The full logs are available
at
https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2019-09-23/fesco.2019-09-23-15.00.log.html


Meeting summary
---
* init process  (contyk, 15:00:29)

* #2149 Proposal to change non-responsive maintainer policy  (contyk,
  15:02:54)
  * LINK: https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/2149   (contyk, 15:02:57)

* #2003 Modules in buildroot enablement  (contyk, 15:04:49)
  * LINK: https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/2003   (contyk, 15:04:51)
  * Let's reuse #2003 to discuss this potential dependency; the
modularity team will focus tomorrow's meeting on the topic, too
(contyk, 15:25:48)

* #2227 Nonresponsive maintainer: Henrik Nordström hno  (contyk,
  15:26:16)
  * LINK: https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/2227   (contyk, 15:26:18)
  * AGREED: Orphan bzr next week unless the maintainer does it before
then (+8, 0, -0)  (contyk, 15:32:28)

* #2225 F32 Self-Contained Change: Switch mingw32 toolchain to dwarf-2
  exceptions  (contyk, 15:33:21)
  * LINK: https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/2225   (contyk, 15:33:23)
  * AGREED: F32 Self-Contained Change: Switch mingw32 toolchain to
dwarf-2 exceptions is approved (+8, 1, -0)  (contyk, 15:37:33)

* #2230 FESCo blocker bug: Broken upgrades via libgit2  (contyk,
  15:37:47)
  * LINK: https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/2230   (contyk, 15:37:49)
  * AGREED: The upgrade issue identified here is significant enough for
FESCo to declare it a blocker. FESCo will vote to determine if a
proposed solution or workaround is sufficient to unblock the
release. At minimum, we require that a non-expert user is provided
sufficient information to accomplish the upgrade without resorting
to Google (+7, 0, -0)  (contyk, 16:08:01)

* Next week's chair  (contyk, 16:08:25)
  * ACTION: sgallagh will chair the next meeting  (contyk, 16:10:32)

* Open floor  (contyk, 16:10:35)

Meeting ended at 16:12:08 UTC.


Action Items

* sgallagh will chair the next meeting


Action Items, by person
---
* sgallagh
  * sgallagh will chair the next meeting


People Present (lines said)
---
* mhroncok (78)
* contyk (77)
* sgallagh (62)
* bookwar (24)
* nirik (23)
* zodbot (15)
* jforbes (10)
* otaylor (9)
* bcotton (5)
* zbyszek (4)
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[EPEL-devel] TeamViewer on RHEL 8 and qt. Help needed

2019-09-23 Thread Thomas Stephen Lee
Hi,

download the tar version and extract

https://download.teamviewer.com/download/linux/teamviewer_amd64.tar.xz

cd to the folder

run

./tv-setup checklibs

the output shows

-
Analyzing dependencies ...
libQt5Positioning.so.5 => not found
libQt5Sensors.so.5 => not found
libQt5WebChannel.so.5 => not found

The libraries listed above seem to be missing.

--

and it also asks to run the command.

 dnf install 'libdbus-1.so.3()(64bit)' 'libQt5Gui.so.5()(64bit)'
'libQt5Widgets.so.5()(64bit)' 'libQt5Qml.so.5()(64bit)'
'libQt5Quick.so.5()(64bit)' 'libQt5WebKitWidgets.so.5()(64bit)'
'libQt5X11Extras.so.5()(64bit)' 'libqtquick2plugin.so()(64bit)'
'libwindowplugin.so()(64bit)' 'libqquicklayoutsplugin.so()(64bit)'
'libqtquickcontrolsplugin.so()(64bit)' 'libdialogplugin.so()(64bit)'


Ran the command on RHEL 8 and most libraries are missing (epel-playground
and epel-testing repos are enabled).
Is it something to do with RHEL 8 not supporting KDE?

What is the solution to get TeamViewer working on RHEL 8?

thanks.

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Re: Unresponsive maintainers: Alex Chernyakhovsky & Othman Madjoudj

2019-09-23 Thread Robbie Harwood
Alex Chernyakhovsky  writes:

> Yeah, I have no idea how I missed that bug. But I've uploaded 1.3.2
> for all active branches and requested an epel8 branch, so that's all I
> can do for now :)

Appreciated.

Thanks,
--Robbie


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Re: RPM Fusion Bugzilla Bug 5307

2019-09-23 Thread Michael Catanzaro
On Mon, Sep 23, 2019 at 9:50 am, Michael Catanzaro 
 wrote:
You're wasting your time. We're not going to run the X server as root 
just so you can overclock your GPU. Not a chance.


Anyway, while we won't do that Fedora... since you're clearly 
interested in customizing your system, you can do so for yourself. What 
you want to do is build gdm using the configure flag 
--disable-user-display-server. You can host your special gdm in a copr 
if you want to make it easier for other Nvidia overclockers to use it.


See https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/XorgWithoutRootRights for 
why this was changed (over five years ago!). The changes were made 
upstream, so there is nothing Fedora-specific here. If you use GNOME on 
most other distros, you should see the same behavior. The only distro I 
know of that uses --disable-user-display-server is Endless.


Michael

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Re: RPM Fusion Bugzilla Bug 5307

2019-09-23 Thread Neal Gompa
On Sun, Sep 22, 2019 at 11:03 PM Ty Young  wrote:
>
>
> On 9/22/19 9:09 PM, Neal Gompa wrote:
> > On Sun, Sep 22, 2019 at 7:25 PM Ty Young  wrote:
> >>
> >> On 9/22/19 5:51 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote:
> >>> On 9/22/19 3:10 PM, Ty Young wrote:
>  I couldn't actually install the drivers because the update GUI in the
>  cinnamon spin is broken and/or the repo/update servers are down. Again.
> >>> I don't know why you're having so much trouble with updates.  But just
> >>> in case you're referring to rpmfusion as you have in other emails, I
> >>> hope you're aware that Redhat has nothing to do with them.  They are
> >>> an independent third-party repo not managed by Fedora.  They host
> >>> packages that can't, for various reasons, be distributed by Fedora.
> >>
> >> No, I meant the package manager GUI front-end won't work:
> >>
> >>
> >> https://imgur.com/a/Dajf28T
> >>
> >>
> > I'm sorry that dnfdragora isn't quite working properly on your system.
> > As one of the developers of dnfdragora and dnfdaemon, I'm aware of
> > some of those quirks, and myself and the other developer have been
> > trying to work on fixing these problems. It's difficult though, as
> > both of us are working on it in our spare time. We're committed to
> > improving it, but I have to find time for it, among everything else.
> >
> > If you'd like to help, we'd appreciate it. The project is here:
> > https://github.com/manatools/dnfdragora
>
>
> It's fine, I completely understand. I just happened to pick the Cinnamon
> spin since I knew it and MATE used LightDM and I don't use Fedora so I
> don't know if I can be of any help.
>
>
> >
> >> Also, Spanish(?) confirm prompt when rest of GUI is English:
> >>
> >>
> >> https://imgur.com/a/7ashccO
> >>
> >>
> >> ...and proof X.Org on Cinnamon is running as root:
> >>
> >>
> >> https://imgur.com/a/UcLjjKT
> >>
> >>
> >> Yet on Gnome Fedora it isn't:
> >>
> >>
> >> https://imgur.com/a/DlXwcdK
> >>
> >>
> >> So is Fedora going to admit it's a bug in Gnome Fedora or are we going
> >> to keep being salty that Nvidia doesn't support or have an Open Source
> >> driver by pointing the finger at them? Actually fixing the bug would be
> >> the more productive option here.
> >>
> > Well, the rootless X thing is from gnome-session down, so that's a
> > GNOME thing. I'm aware that not all DEs do this, the work was
> > primarily done in GNOME.
> >
> > How would you propose we fix this bug, as you call it?
>
>
> Well, what exactly was the old behavior before? I know for a fact X. Org
> was running as root during the beta. Is X. Org as root during beta
> periods only the norm?
>
>
> Neither of the two other major distro families, Arch Linux and Ubuntu
> with Gnome, have X. Org as root disabled, at least not when running the
> Nvidia binary. Are there any malicious software that even exists that
> exploit X. Org being ran as root? If no one else sees that as an issue
> then why does Fedora? And is disabling root X. Org worth breaking
> people's software that would otherwise work?
>
>
> Clearly few DM(s) other than Gnome supports it despite earlier claims,
> so it isn't even standard behavior. Fedora supports multiple spins
> including DM(s) that don't support it, so you're just fragmenting your
> own ecosystem if it is enabled on Gnome Fedora only. That's not a great
> idea.
>
>
> So, IMO, the correct behavior here would be to disable until at least
> other DM(s) support it and other distros enabled it by default so that
> Fedora is at least following standards. Once it *actually* gets adopted
> *maybe* Nvidia will allow overclocking on non root X. Org but that could
> just be wishful thinking. At minimum there should always be an option to
> disable security features, especially if it results in performance
> loss(e.g. Specter) or, in this case, application compatibility problems
> easily... and editing a config file isn't that easy, obvious, or in some
> cases even safe.
>

The problem with that is that if we did it that way, nobody would
adapt to the change. Much in the same manner that we're moving to
cgroups v2 in Fedora 31, if we didn't do it, we can't suss out
breakages and fix them (if possible). And if third parties that don't
keep up with these changes (especially one that happened in 2013 for
Fedora GNOME!), there's not much that can be done.

>
> Maybe provide an optional rootless login session option in Gnome's login
> screen?
>

Again, it doesn't force things to change in the ecosystem, and worse,
it makes it more difficult for QA and release verification, as we add
another codepath to everything by doing this.

>
> FWIW, even if the application uses Flatpak, rootless X. Org still breaks
> the application. Would it be possible to grant individual applications
> privileged root access on a case by case basis?
>

That's a Flatpak/Flathub thing, not really under our control unfortunately.

>
>
> >
> >> Also while I'm at it, why does Gnome Screenshot in Fedora have a menu to
> >> the left of the 

Re: Fedora 32 Self-Contained Change proposal: Better Thermal Management for the Workstation

2019-09-23 Thread Dridi Boukelmoune
On Mon, Sep 23, 2019 at 2:21 PM Ben Cotton  wrote:
>
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/ThermalManagementWS
>
> == Summary ==
> Better thermal management and peak performance on Intel CPUs by
> including thermald in the default install.
>
> == Owner ==
> * Name: [[User:benzea| Benjamin Berg]]
> * Email: bb...@redhat.com
>
> * Name: [[User:ckellner| Christian J. Kellner]]
> * Email: ckell...@redhat.com
> * Product: Workstation
> * Responsible WG: Workstation
>
> == Detailed Description ==
>
> Modern Intel-based systems provide sensors and methods to monitor and
> control temperature of its CPUs. The Thermal daemon will use those
> sensors to monitor the temperature and use the best available method
> to keep the CPU in the right temperature envelop. On certain systems
> this is needed to reach the maximal performance. For optimal
> performance a per-model thermald configuration should be created, this
> can either be done by using dptfxtract (available from rpmfusion) or
> we could ship static configuration files for a set of known models.
>
> For a more details explanation please consult Intel's
> [https://01.org/linux-thermal-daemon/documentation/introduction-thermal-daemon
> introduction] to thermald.
>
> == Benefit to Fedora ==
>
> Better out-of-the-box experience due to improved cooling methods and
> performance on Intel systems.
>
> == Scope ==
> * Proposal owners:
>  - Include the thermald package in the default Workstation install
>  - Optionally provide patches for thermald to be able to read hardware
> specific configuration data

To me this looks like a wrong order of operations:

- Upstream patches to read hardware-specific configuration data
- Include the thermald package in the default Workstation install

Or maybe there could be a wrapper script that does the detection and
generates a configuration accordingly? Carrying downstream patches
without an explicit plan about upstreaming them sounds contrary to
our usual upstream-first principle.

>  - Optionally collect hardware specific configuration data and ship it

I don't understand the second optional item.


> * Other developers: N/A (not a System Wide Change)
> * Release engineering:
> * Policies and guidelines: N/A (not a System Wide Change)
> * Trademark approval: N/A (not needed for this Change)
>
> == Upgrade/compatibility impact ==
> N/A (not a System Wide Change)
>
> == How To Test ==
>
> Install the packages and use e.g. turbostat to monitor the
> performance. Improvements may only be visible if the non-free
> dptfxtract package is also installed.
>
> == User Experience ==
>  - Better performance on certain hardware
>  - Better cooling of CPUs on certain hardware
>
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Re: RPM Fusion Bugzilla Bug 5307

2019-09-23 Thread Michael Catanzaro
On Sun, Sep 22, 2019 at 10:02 pm, Ty Young  
wrote:

So, IMO, the correct behavior here would be to disable until at least
other DM(s) support it and other distros enabled it by default so that
Fedora is at least following standards. Once it *actually* gets 
adopted
*maybe* Nvidia will allow overclocking on non root X. Org but that 
could
just be wishful thinking. At minimum there should always be an option 
to

disable security features, especially if it results in performance
loss(e.g. Specter) or, in this case, application compatibility 
problems
easily... and editing a config file isn't that easy, obvious, or in 
some

cases even safe.


You're wasting your time. We're not going to run the X server as root 
just so you can overclock your GPU. Not a chance.


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Re: Orphaned a number of Eclipse pacakges

2019-09-23 Thread Fabio Valentini
On Mon, Sep 23, 2019 at 3:53 PM Miro Hrončok  wrote:
>
> On 23. 09. 19 15:34, Aleksandar Kurtakov wrote:
> > As eclipse module is the supported way to get eclipse now...
>
> So why do we keep everything around in Fedora and crate this duality?

Looking at koschei [0], eclipse packages are going to be FTBFS-cleaned
up in a few months anyway.

Fabio

[0]: https://apps.fedoraproject.org/koschei/search?q=eclipse

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Re: Fedora 32 Self-Contained Change proposal: Better Thermal Management for the Workstation

2019-09-23 Thread Igor Gnatenko
On Mon, Sep 23, 2019 at 4:22 PM Ben Cotton  wrote:
>
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/ThermalManagementWS
>
> == Summary ==
> Better thermal management and peak performance on Intel CPUs by
> including thermald in the default install.
>
> == Owner ==
> * Name: [[User:benzea| Benjamin Berg]]
> * Email: bb...@redhat.com
>
> * Name: [[User:ckellner| Christian J. Kellner]]
> * Email: ckell...@redhat.com
> * Product: Workstation
> * Responsible WG: Workstation
>
> == Detailed Description ==
>
> Modern Intel-based systems provide sensors and methods to monitor and
> control temperature of its CPUs. The Thermal daemon will use those
> sensors to monitor the temperature and use the best available method
> to keep the CPU in the right temperature envelop. On certain systems
> this is needed to reach the maximal performance. For optimal
> performance a per-model thermald configuration should be created, this
> can either be done by using dptfxtract (available from rpmfusion) or
> we could ship static configuration files for a set of known models.

So what are we going to do about this in F32? Are we going to create
configuration files or we will provide some page how to create it
yourself? Does Intel provide one?

> For a more details explanation please consult Intel's
> [https://01.org/linux-thermal-daemon/documentation/introduction-thermal-daemon
> introduction] to thermald.
>
> == Benefit to Fedora ==
>
> Better out-of-the-box experience due to improved cooling methods and
> performance on Intel systems.
>
> == Scope ==
> * Proposal owners:
>  - Include the thermald package in the default Workstation install
>  - Optionally provide patches for thermald to be able to read hardware
> specific configuration data
>  - Optionally collect hardware specific configuration data and ship it
>
> * Other developers: N/A (not a System Wide Change)
> * Release engineering:
> * Policies and guidelines: N/A (not a System Wide Change)
> * Trademark approval: N/A (not needed for this Change)
>
> == Upgrade/compatibility impact ==
> N/A (not a System Wide Change)
>
> == How To Test ==
>
> Install the packages and use e.g. turbostat to monitor the
> performance. Improvements may only be visible if the non-free
> dptfxtract package is also installed.

So what is the point of a change if improvements are visible only if
non-free package is installed?

> == User Experience ==
>  - Better performance on certain hardware
>  - Better cooling of CPUs on certain hardware
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Fedora 32 Self-Contained Change proposal: Better Thermal Management for the Workstation

2019-09-23 Thread Ben Cotton
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/ThermalManagementWS

== Summary ==
Better thermal management and peak performance on Intel CPUs by
including thermald in the default install.

== Owner ==
* Name: [[User:benzea| Benjamin Berg]]
* Email: bb...@redhat.com

* Name: [[User:ckellner| Christian J. Kellner]]
* Email: ckell...@redhat.com
* Product: Workstation
* Responsible WG: Workstation

== Detailed Description ==

Modern Intel-based systems provide sensors and methods to monitor and
control temperature of its CPUs. The Thermal daemon will use those
sensors to monitor the temperature and use the best available method
to keep the CPU in the right temperature envelop. On certain systems
this is needed to reach the maximal performance. For optimal
performance a per-model thermald configuration should be created, this
can either be done by using dptfxtract (available from rpmfusion) or
we could ship static configuration files for a set of known models.

For a more details explanation please consult Intel's
[https://01.org/linux-thermal-daemon/documentation/introduction-thermal-daemon
introduction] to thermald.

== Benefit to Fedora ==

Better out-of-the-box experience due to improved cooling methods and
performance on Intel systems.

== Scope ==
* Proposal owners:
 - Include the thermald package in the default Workstation install
 - Optionally provide patches for thermald to be able to read hardware
specific configuration data
 - Optionally collect hardware specific configuration data and ship it

* Other developers: N/A (not a System Wide Change)
* Release engineering:
* Policies and guidelines: N/A (not a System Wide Change)
* Trademark approval: N/A (not needed for this Change)

== Upgrade/compatibility impact ==
N/A (not a System Wide Change)

== How To Test ==

Install the packages and use e.g. turbostat to monitor the
performance. Improvements may only be visible if the non-free
dptfxtract package is also installed.

== User Experience ==
 - Better performance on certain hardware
 - Better cooling of CPUs on certain hardware

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Fedora 32 Self-Contained Change proposal: Better Thermal Management for the Workstation

2019-09-23 Thread Ben Cotton
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/ThermalManagementWS

== Summary ==
Better thermal management and peak performance on Intel CPUs by
including thermald in the default install.

== Owner ==
* Name: [[User:benzea| Benjamin Berg]]
* Email: bb...@redhat.com

* Name: [[User:ckellner| Christian J. Kellner]]
* Email: ckell...@redhat.com
* Product: Workstation
* Responsible WG: Workstation

== Detailed Description ==

Modern Intel-based systems provide sensors and methods to monitor and
control temperature of its CPUs. The Thermal daemon will use those
sensors to monitor the temperature and use the best available method
to keep the CPU in the right temperature envelop. On certain systems
this is needed to reach the maximal performance. For optimal
performance a per-model thermald configuration should be created, this
can either be done by using dptfxtract (available from rpmfusion) or
we could ship static configuration files for a set of known models.

For a more details explanation please consult Intel's
[https://01.org/linux-thermal-daemon/documentation/introduction-thermal-daemon
introduction] to thermald.

== Benefit to Fedora ==

Better out-of-the-box experience due to improved cooling methods and
performance on Intel systems.

== Scope ==
* Proposal owners:
 - Include the thermald package in the default Workstation install
 - Optionally provide patches for thermald to be able to read hardware
specific configuration data
 - Optionally collect hardware specific configuration data and ship it

* Other developers: N/A (not a System Wide Change)
* Release engineering:
* Policies and guidelines: N/A (not a System Wide Change)
* Trademark approval: N/A (not needed for this Change)

== Upgrade/compatibility impact ==
N/A (not a System Wide Change)

== How To Test ==

Install the packages and use e.g. turbostat to monitor the
performance. Improvements may only be visible if the non-free
dptfxtract package is also installed.

== User Experience ==
 - Better performance on certain hardware
 - Better cooling of CPUs on certain hardware

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[Bug 1754281] [RFE] EPEL-8 branch for perl-Coro-Multicore

2019-09-23 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1754281



--- Comment #2 from Fedora Update System  ---
FEDORA-EPEL-2019-8f84208a63 has been submitted as an update to Fedora EPEL 8.
https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-EPEL-2019-8f84208a63

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[Bug 1754281] [RFE] EPEL-8 branch for perl-Coro-Multicore

2019-09-23 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1754281

Petr Pisar  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Status|ASSIGNED|MODIFIED
   Fixed In Version||perl-Coro-Multicore-1.03-3.
   ||el8



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Re: Orphaned a number of Eclipse pacakges

2019-09-23 Thread Alexander Bokovoy

On ma, 23 syys 2019, Miro Hrončok wrote:

On 23. 09. 19 15:34, Aleksandar Kurtakov wrote:

As eclipse module is the supported way to get eclipse now...


So why do we keep everything around in Fedora and crate this duality?

Because you cannot include modules in buildroot, I guess.

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Re: Orphaned a number of Eclipse pacakges

2019-09-23 Thread Aleksandar Kurtakov
On Mon, Sep 23, 2019 at 4:53 PM Miro Hrončok  wrote:

> On 23. 09. 19 15:34, Aleksandar Kurtakov wrote:
> > As eclipse module is the supported way to get eclipse now...
>
> So why do we keep everything around in Fedora and crate this duality?oo
>

Good question. There are other packages that require Eclipse (e.g. swt and
equinox) so keeping parts of eclipse only make sense for these other
packages. But most of the leave packages can go out now.


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Re: aarch64 test systems implementation

2019-09-23 Thread Dave Love
"Richard W.M. Jones"  writes:

> On Thu, Sep 19, 2019 at 11:27:21AM +0100, Dave Love wrote:
>> (Is there a way to tell?)
>
> virt-what !

I guess if I'd read the man page I'd have seen that the "kvm" I saw was
distinct from "qemu"; apologies for the noise.
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Re: Orphaned a number of Eclipse pacakges

2019-09-23 Thread Miro Hrončok

On 23. 09. 19 15:34, Aleksandar Kurtakov wrote:

As eclipse module is the supported way to get eclipse now...


So why do we keep everything around in Fedora and crate this duality?

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Orphaned a number of Eclipse pacakges

2019-09-23 Thread Aleksandar Kurtakov
As eclipse module is the supported way to get eclipse now and there are a
number of FTBFS for me as a package I've just orphaned the following:
* eclipse-tm-terminal
* eclipse-swtbot
* cbi-plugins
* eclipse-dtp
* eclipse-ecf
* eclipse-eclemma
* eclipse-egit-github
* eclipse-linuxtools
* eclipse-moreunit
* eclipse-mylyn
* eclipse-mpc
* eclipse-pydev
* eclipse-packagekit

Most of them are leaf packages so can go freely - only critical parts if
one wants to keep eclipse srpm in is eclipse-ecf and cbi-plugins.
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Re: Building for EPEL 8 -- missing kernel-headers-4.18.0-80.11.1.el8_0.x86_64.rpm

2019-09-23 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Mon, 23 Sep 2019 at 04:49, Jan Pazdziora  wrote:
>
> On Fri, Sep 20, 2019 at 09:21:21AM -0400, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
> > On Fri, 20 Sep 2019 at 06:53, Jan Pazdziora  wrote:
> > >
> > > my attempt to (scratch) build an EPEL 8 package failed with
> > >
> > > 
> > > https://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org//work/tasks/9259/37759259/root.log
> > >
> > > DEBUG util.py:593:  Error: Error downloading packages:
> > > DEBUG util.py:593:Status code: 404 for 
> > > https://infrastructure.fedoraproject.org/repo/rhel/rhel8/koji/latest/x86_64/RHEL-8-001/non_modular/kernel-headers-4.18.0-80.11.1.el8_0.x86_64.rpm
> > > DEBUG util.py:741:  Child return code was: 1
> > >
> > > I assume it's not something I could affect from my fedpkg side.
> > >
> > > Is that a known issue? What is the best way to report it?
> > >
> >
> > It isn't a known issue.. I would report it as a releng issue so
> > whatever I wrote to try and make this work can be fixed.
> >
> > Looking at the tree
> >
> > -rw-r--r--. 1 root sysadmin-main   434036 2019-09-20 09:25
> > latest/x86_64/RHEL-8-001/non_modular/kernel-4.18.0-80.11.2.el8_0.x86_64.rpm
>
> [...]
>
> > latest/x86_64/RHEL-8-001/non_modular/kernel-tools-libs-devel-4.18.0-80.11.2.el8_0.x86_64.rpm
> >
> > So the .2 kernel is the one which should be used. I don't see a
> > timestamp in the file you provided so I am not sure if this build
> > problem occurred near the 09:25 listed above or not.
>
> Thanks Stephen for looking at it. I don't see the same problem today
> and I was able to build the package.
>

What I think might be happening is that due to the time it takes to
download repos from CDN, and then rebuild the repository there is a
window where the build can break. In an ideal (aka this wasn't done in
spare time and actually had a budget and staff), the script would see
if there were builds for EPEL going, tell koji to not let any more on,
wait until the last one was cleared, then move the link to the latest
repo, then tell koji to rebuild its cache and finally let EPEL builds
start again.


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Orphaned packages looking for new maintainers

2019-09-23 Thread Miro Hrončok

The following packages are orphaned and will be retired when they
are orphaned for six weeks, unless someone adopts them. If you know for sure
that the package should be retired, please do so now with a proper reason:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_remove_a_package_at_end_of_life

Note: If you received this mail directly you (co)maintain one of the affected
packages or a package that depends on one. Please adopt the affected package or
retire your depending package to avoid broken dependencies, otherwise your
package will be retired when the affected package gets retired.

Request package ownership via releng issues:
https://pagure.io/releng/issues

Full report available at:
https://churchyard.fedorapeople.org/orphans-2019-09-23.txt
grep it for your FAS username and follow the dependency chain.


Package  (co)maintainers   Status Change

PyRTF orphan   2 weeks ago
R-ALL orphan   4 weeks ago
R-AnnotationDbi   orphan   4 weeks ago
R-BSgenomeorphan   4 weeks ago
R-BSgenome.Celegans.UCSC.ce2  orphan   4 weeks ago
R-Biobase orphan   4 weeks ago
R-BiocGenericsorphan   4 weeks ago
R-Biostrings  orphan   4 weeks ago
R-BufferedMatrix  orphan   4 weeks ago
R-BufferedMatrixMethods   orphan   4 weeks ago
R-DynDoc  orphan   4 weeks ago
R-GenomicFeatures orphan   4 weeks ago
R-GenomicRanges   orphan   4 weeks ago
R-IRanges orphan   4 weeks ago
R-ROC orphan   4 weeks ago
R-affyorphan   4 weeks ago
R-affydataorphan   4 weeks ago
R-affyio  orphan   4 weeks ago
R-fibroEset   orphan   4 weeks ago
R-hgu133acdf  orphan   4 weeks ago
R-hgu95av2cdf orphan   4 weeks ago
R-hgu95av2probe   orphan   4 weeks ago
R-maanova orphan   4 weeks ago
R-multtestalexlan, orphan  4 weeks ago
R-pls orphan   4 weeks ago
R-preprocessCore  orphan   4 weeks ago
R-statmod orphan   4 weeks ago
R-tkWidgets   orphan   4 weeks ago
R-widgetTools orphan   4 weeks ago
RackTablesorphan   2 weeks ago
TeXamator orphan   2 weeks ago
XmlSchema msimacek, orphan 2 weeks ago
Xnee  orphan   5 weeks ago
access-modifier-annotationmizdebsk, orphan 3 weeks ago
accumulo  ctubbsii, milleruntime,  5 weeks ago
  mizdebsk, orphan
acegisecurity mizdebsk, orphan 3 weeks ago
adevs orphan   5 weeks ago
akuma orphan   3 weeks ago
alacarte  alexl, caillon, caolanm, 1 weeks ago
  johnp, mbarnes, orphan,
  rhughes, ssp
annotation-indexermizdebsk, orphan 3 weeks ago
anyremote orphan   2 weeks ago
apache-commons-csvmizdebsk, orphan, spike  3 weeks ago
apache-commons-discovery  lkundrak, mizdebsk, orphan,  3 weeks ago
  spike
apache-commons-el fnasser, mizdebsk, orphan,   3 weeks ago
  spike
apache-commons-launcher   orphan   2 weeks ago
apache-mina   orphan   3 weeks ago
apache-sshd   gil, orphan  3 weeks ago
arptools  jhrozek, orphan  3 

Orphaned tagsoup

2019-09-23 Thread Miro Hrončok
tagsoup was maintained byt he Stewardship SIG and is no longer required by any 
of our packages. I have orphaned it.


I don't know much about the package, but several other Java stuff requires it:


icedtea-web-0:1.8.2-3.fc31.src
icedtea-web-0:1.8.2-3.fc31.x86_64
javadocofflinesearch-0:2.2-9.fc31.noarch
javadocofflinesearch-0:2.2-9.fc31.src
xom-0:1.2.10-13.fc31.src


It was updated to the current 1.2.1 version in 2012 and upstream has either 
moved or died.


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Re: Some Java packages in need of new permanent maintainer(s)

2019-09-23 Thread Fabio Valentini
On Sun, Sep 8, 2019 at 8:50 PM Fabio Valentini  wrote:
>
> Hello packagers,
>
> The Stewardship SIG is currently providing only bare-minimum
> maintenance for some Java packages, and none of our packages depend on
> them anymore.
> So, we're looking for someone to take better care of them, preferably
> someone who actively uses these packages or maintains a package that
> depends on them.

(snip)

> The packages are:
>
> - java-base64
> - jboss-jstl-1.2-api
> - jetty-version-maven-plugin
> - stringtemplate4
> - tagsoup

It's been two weeks, and nobody volunteered to take any of these
packages. I will orphan them now.

Fabio

> Directly dependent packages of java-base64:
> - Java-WebSocket
> - elasticsearch
> - gherkin2-java
> - java-vash
> - java-xmlbuilder
> - jets3t
> - rescu
> - smack
> - sshj
>
> Directly dependent packages of jboss-jstl-1.2-api:
> - jboss-jsf-2.1-api
> - jboss-jsf-2.2-api
>
> Directly dependent packages of jetty-version-maven-plugin:
> - jetty8
>
> Directly dependent packages of stringtemplate4:
> - antlr3
> - antlr4
> - eclipselink
> - gs-collections
>
> Directly dependent packages of tagsoup:
> - icedtea-web
> - javadocofflinesearch
> - tika
> - xom
>
>
> If you received this email directly, you're a (co-)maintainer of one
> of these packages, and would probably be best qualified to take care
> of the package in question.
>
> If you want to take one, some, or all of them off our hands, just fill
> out the "package_adoption_request" template here, and we will transfer
> the package to you. https://www.pagure.io/stewardship-sig/new_issue
>
> If nobody claims the packages within the next two weeks, we will
> orphan them again, setting them on their course towards retirement in
> about two months.
>
> Thanks,
> Fabio (decathorpe), for the Stewardship SIG
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Re: Upcoming change for adopting orphaned packages and anitya integration

2019-09-23 Thread Pierre-Yves Chibon
On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 06:39:08PM +0200, Pierre-Yves Chibon wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 10:21:31AM +0200, Till Hofmann wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > On 9/13/19 12:32 PM, Pierre-Yves Chibon wrote:
> > > ## Anitya integration
> > > 
> > > Currently if you want to tweak the setting for the anitya integration, 
> > > you need
> > > to open a pull-request on the fedora-scm-requests project at
> > > https://pagure.io/releng/fedora-scm-requests/
> > > That git repo is pretty big and once your pull-request is finally open, 
> > > you
> > > still have to wait for someone to merge it.
> > > 
> > > This is also going to change, new versions of pagure and pagure-dist-git 
> > > offer a
> > > drop-down menu on the left hand side menu to see and adjust the monitoring
> > > status of the project.
> > > 
> > > This is also live in staging and you can see an example of a project who 
> > > has set
> > > its monitoring status to "monitoring":
> > > https://src.stg.fedoraproject.org/rpms/0ad
> > > 
> > > (The status in staging have been imported from the fedora-scm-requests 
> > > repo)
> > 
> > 
> > This is great to here! Would it be possible to have a page that shows
> > the monitoring status of all my packages? Does that even exist already?
> > I find myself repeatedly going through all my packages one-by-one to
> > check the monitoring status, and I still miss a package once in a while.
> > (This will already get easier with the new buttons, though).
> 
> No page but writing a script for this should be straight forward.
> I am mostly AFK this week but I can cook up something for this next week :)

Here it is: https://pingou.fedorapeople.org/get_monitoring_status.py

Small introduction and example output at:
http://blog.pingoured.fr/index.php?post/2019/09/23/Retrieving-the-monitoring-statuses-of-someone-s-packages

Hoping this helps :)
Pierre
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Re: Looking for a maintainer for freemedforms

2019-09-23 Thread Ankur Sinha
On Mon, Sep 23, 2019 11:34:18 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote:
> Ankur Sinha wrote:
> > It does not currently build in f31+ and may require dialogue with
> > upstream to fix.
> 
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1735221#c7
> 
> This build failure (at least the one in the logs posted here) is due to 
> broken dependencies in OpenCV at the time of the build and not freemedforms' 
> fault at all.

Sure, but I no longer have the resources to actively look into what
causes the build failures---whatever they may be.


> > Please let me know if you would like to take it up, otherwise I will
> > retire it from Fedora on Friday (27th September). It will get
> > orphaned/retired as part of the FTBFS process otherwise anyway.
> 
> I don't see why you want to explicitly retire the package on such a short 
> notice (1 week) instead of letting the regular processes take care of it.

Because it can only be retired from F31 before Final Freeze---and that
for F31 is on 2019-10-08
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_remove_a_package_at_end_of_life#Procedure

Have I misunderstood this?


> If you want somebody else to pick up the package, please orphan it rather 
> than retiring it, so people at least get 6 weeks to fix it (or, since it 
> also FTBFS, the time frame left in the FTBFS process, whichever is shorter, 
> but this is an F31 FTBFS, so the 6 weeks from the orphaning process will be 
> the shorter deadline).
> 
> We already have retirement processes with pretty short deadlines. Please do 
> not explicitly retire packages even sooner, at least not without a good 
> reason to do so. An FTBFS due to a broken buildroot is no such reason.

Thanks for your input. I always appreciate it. However, I'm the
maintainer here so it would not be wrong to assume that I decide whether
the reason is good enough or not. In this case:

- upstream maintains and supports the package officially on
  Debian---they even provide paid support:
  https://freemedforms.com/en/downloads/root
- upstream no longer makes the development code available (for reasons
  that are not worth discussing here):
  https://freemedforms.com/en/downloads/sources

So, I would prefer it be retired, but fine I've orphaned it and will let
the process retire it eventually.

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Re: Problem with F30 module packages that are built in F32 buildroot (?)

2019-09-23 Thread Petr Pisar
On 2019-09-22, Till Hofmann  wrote:
> We have an odd issue with a module build of sway for F30: It looks like 
> the module was actually built with a F32 buildroot.
>
> BZ: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1754167
> Here's the build:
> https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=1376355
>
> The modulemd file contains:
>dependencies:
>- buildrequires:
>platform: [f30]
>  requires:
>platform: [f30]
>
> But then, it built packages with f32 in the package version:
>artifacts:
>  rpms:
>  - mako-0:1.4-1.module_f32+6140+eb754d2b.src
>  - mako-0:1.4-1.module_f32+6140+eb754d2b.x86_64
>  - mako-debuginfo-0:1.4-1.module_f32+6140+eb754d2b.x86_64
>  - mako-debugsource-0:1.4-1.module_f32+6140+eb754d2b.x86_64

There was a bug in Module Build Service that added F32 packages into
non-f32 platform build roots. The bug was fixed and owners of two
affected builds notified that the build will be retired in MBS and they
will have to rebuild them again.

Maybe the sway module slipped through the craks. Or the bug reoccurred.
I cannot find the ticket where this issue was resolved.

Since the build is already in a stable repository, the only option is
probably bumping Release numbers in the spec files and building the
module again.

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Schedule for Mondays's FESCo Meeting (2019-09-23)

2019-09-23 Thread Petr Šabata
Following is the list of topics that will be discussed in the
FESCo meeting Monday at 15:00UTC in #fedora-meeting-1 on
irc.freenode.net.

To convert UTC to your local time, take a look at
  http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/UTCHowto

or run:
  date -d '2019-09-23 15:00 UTC'

Links to all issues to be discussed can be found at: 
https://pagure.io/fesco/report/meeting_agenda

= Discussed and Voted in the Ticket =
request to sponsor my bot account "rhcontainerbot" into the packager group
https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/2228
APPROVED (+4, 1, -0)

= Followups =
#topic #2149 Proposal to change non-responsive maintainer policy
https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/2149

#topic #2003 Modules in buildroot enablement
https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/2003

= New business =
#topic #2227 Nonresponsive maintainer: Henrik Nordström hno
https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/2227

#topic #2225 F32 Self-Contained Change: Switch mingw32 toolchain to dwarf-2 
exceptions
https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/2225

#topic #2230 FESCo blocker bug: Broken upgrades via libgit2
https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/2230

= Open Floor = 

For more complete details, please visit each individual
issue.  The report of the agenda items can be found at
https://pagure.io/fesco/report/meeting_agenda

If you would like to add something to this agenda, you can
reply to this e-mail, file a new issue at
https://pagure.io/fesco, e-mail me directly, or bring it
up at the end of the meeting, during the open floor topic. Note
that added topics may be deferred until the following meeting. 


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Re: Intent to orphan dblatex (asciidoc dependency)

2019-09-23 Thread Michael J Gruber
Okay, more news:

There's a repo for the porting efforts, with NF's and my patches combined and 
split into logical chunks:
https://github.com/mjg/dblatex-py3
Let's hope upstream can work with that ;)

There's a cor rep where I've built dblatex with py3, and where I am rebuilding 
all packages which BR dblatex against that dblatex:
https://copr.fedorainfracloud.org/coprs/mjg/dblatex/monitor/
Things looking OK so far, but I haven't compared the actual build products 
(docs) for consistency.
Note that some of these packages (build-) require python2 for other reasons; 
gimp-help even requires py2 to build but does not BR it. Will FTBFS on F32 as 
is.
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orphaning nodejs-flot and js-excanvas

2019-09-23 Thread Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski
I'm orphaning nodejs-flot. Originally, I picked it up to unbundle
it from one of my own packages, but I really have no NodeJS expertise
to maintain it and I didn't have time to keep it up to date with
all the recent upstream activity this year.

The package build-depends on jarjar which is orphaned already and
js-excanvas, which I'm orphaning as well.

If nobody steps up within a week, I'll orphan these two.

Regards,
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Re: Looking for a maintainer for freemedforms

2019-09-23 Thread Kevin Kofler
Ankur Sinha wrote:
> It does not currently build in f31+ and may require dialogue with
> upstream to fix.

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1735221#c7

This build failure (at least the one in the logs posted here) is due to 
broken dependencies in OpenCV at the time of the build and not freemedforms' 
fault at all.

> Please let me know if you would like to take it up, otherwise I will
> retire it from Fedora on Friday (27th September). It will get
> orphaned/retired as part of the FTBFS process otherwise anyway.

I don't see why you want to explicitly retire the package on such a short 
notice (1 week) instead of letting the regular processes take care of it.

If you want somebody else to pick up the package, please orphan it rather 
than retiring it, so people at least get 6 weeks to fix it (or, since it 
also FTBFS, the time frame left in the FTBFS process, whichever is shorter, 
but this is an F31 FTBFS, so the 6 weeks from the orphaning process will be 
the shorter deadline).

We already have retirement processes with pretty short deadlines. Please do 
not explicitly retire packages even sooner, at least not without a good 
reason to do so. An FTBFS due to a broken buildroot is no such reason.

Kevin Kofler
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[Bug 1744711] [RFE] EPEL8 branch of perl-IO-SessionData

2019-09-23 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1744711



--- Comment #7 from Jan Pazdziora  ---
Thank you!

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[Bug 1754281] [RFE] EPEL-8 branch for perl-Coro-Multicore

2019-09-23 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1754281

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--- Comment #1 from Petr Pisar  ---
https://pagure.io/releng/fedora-scm-requests/issue/17087
https://pagure.io/releng/fedora-scm-requests/issue/17088

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Orphaned packages looking for new maintainers

2019-09-23 Thread Miro Hrončok

The following packages are orphaned and will be retired when they
are orphaned for six weeks, unless someone adopts them. If you know for sure
that the package should be retired, please do so now with a proper reason:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_remove_a_package_at_end_of_life

Note: If you received this mail directly you (co)maintain one of the affected
packages or a package that depends on one. Please adopt the affected package or
retire your depending package to avoid broken dependencies, otherwise your
package will be retired when the affected package gets retired.

Request package ownership via releng issues:
https://pagure.io/releng/issues

Full report available at:
https://churchyard.fedorapeople.org/orphans-2019-09-23.txt
grep it for your FAS username and follow the dependency chain.


Package  (co)maintainers   Status Change

PyRTF orphan   2 weeks ago
R-ALL orphan   4 weeks ago
R-AnnotationDbi   orphan   4 weeks ago
R-BSgenomeorphan   4 weeks ago
R-BSgenome.Celegans.UCSC.ce2  orphan   4 weeks ago
R-Biobase orphan   4 weeks ago
R-BiocGenericsorphan   4 weeks ago
R-Biostrings  orphan   4 weeks ago
R-BufferedMatrix  orphan   4 weeks ago
R-BufferedMatrixMethods   orphan   4 weeks ago
R-DynDoc  orphan   4 weeks ago
R-GenomicFeatures orphan   4 weeks ago
R-GenomicRanges   orphan   4 weeks ago
R-IRanges orphan   4 weeks ago
R-ROC orphan   4 weeks ago
R-affyorphan   4 weeks ago
R-affydataorphan   4 weeks ago
R-affyio  orphan   4 weeks ago
R-fibroEset   orphan   4 weeks ago
R-hgu133acdf  orphan   4 weeks ago
R-hgu95av2cdf orphan   4 weeks ago
R-hgu95av2probe   orphan   4 weeks ago
R-maanova orphan   4 weeks ago
R-multtestalexlan, orphan  4 weeks ago
R-pls orphan   4 weeks ago
R-preprocessCore  orphan   4 weeks ago
R-statmod orphan   4 weeks ago
R-tkWidgets   orphan   4 weeks ago
R-widgetTools orphan   4 weeks ago
RackTablesorphan   2 weeks ago
TeXamator orphan   2 weeks ago
XmlSchema msimacek, orphan 2 weeks ago
Xnee  orphan   5 weeks ago
access-modifier-annotationmizdebsk, orphan 3 weeks ago
accumulo  ctubbsii, milleruntime,  5 weeks ago
  mizdebsk, orphan
acegisecurity mizdebsk, orphan 3 weeks ago
adevs orphan   5 weeks ago
akuma orphan   3 weeks ago
alacarte  alexl, caillon, caolanm, 1 weeks ago
  johnp, mbarnes, orphan,
  rhughes, ssp
annotation-indexermizdebsk, orphan 3 weeks ago
anyremote orphan   2 weeks ago
apache-commons-csvmizdebsk, orphan, spike  3 weeks ago
apache-commons-discovery  lkundrak, mizdebsk, orphan,  3 weeks ago
  spike
apache-commons-el fnasser, mizdebsk, orphan,   3 weeks ago
  spike
apache-commons-launcher   orphan   2 weeks ago
apache-mina   orphan   3 weeks ago
apache-sshd   gil, orphan  3 weeks ago
arptools  jhrozek, orphan  3 

[Bug 1754235] perl-Test-Directory-0.050 is available

2019-09-23 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1754235

Petr Pisar  changed:

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Link ID||CPAN 130559



--- Comment #1 from Petr Pisar  ---
0.050 release uses overloading in a bad way. Postponing the upgrade until
resolving CPAN RT#130559.

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[Bug 1754124] perl-Module-CoreList-5.20190920 is available

2019-09-23 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1754124



--- Comment #4 from Fedora Update System  ---
FEDORA-2019-d34643e2de has been submitted as an update to Fedora 29.
https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2019-d34643e2de

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Re: Renewing the Modularity objective

2019-09-23 Thread jkonecny
Hello,

Could you please also resolve breaking upgrade paths for people who
never run `dnf module` command?

I'll try to explain what happened to me. As I wrote above I never run
`dnf module` until I was forced to run `dnf module reset` to fix my
issue. I'm running Fedora 30.

If I understand correctly what happened was that my zanata-client
package switched to module (or maybe dependencies, not sure) and then
the module was removed and replaced by packages.

It happened like this:

1) `dnf update` updated zanata to use module
2) module was removed
3) `dnf update` has conflict with module packages because it tried to
update to non module packages which were in conflict with the module
installed ones
4) Had to call my first module command and that was `dnf module reset`
5) Call `dnf distrosync` to remove the packages from a non-existing
module
6) Finally working `dnf update`

This is really not nice user experience to start with the modules from
a user perspective. Could you please prevent this issue for future.
There should be a way how to remove module without blocking upgrade
path, especially when the module was automatically dragged in by a
normal update.

What I missed in the above for simplification is that I used the `
--best --allowerasing` with a hope that I will be able to install the
new zanata then. By doing that I've effectively blocked zanata-client
from being installed on my laptop.

I also want to thank DNF team, they helped me to fix my NB otherwise I
wouldn't be able to make a new releases thanks to the missing zanata-
client.

Best regards,
Jirka

On Wed, 2019-09-18 at 15:30 -0400, Ben Cotton wrote:
> Now that Modularity is available for all Fedora variants, it's time
> to
> address issues discovered and improve the experience for packagers
> and
> users. The Modularity team identified a number of projects that will
> improve the usefulness of Modularity and the experience of creating
> modules for packagers. Thoe team is proposing a renewed objective to
> the Fedora Council.
> 
> You can read the proposal at:
> https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/council-docs/pull-request/61#request_diff
> 
> The Council will vote on this in two weeks.
> 
> This is also posted to the Community Blog:
> https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/renewing-the-modularity-objective/
> 
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[Bug 1754124] perl-Module-CoreList-5.20190920 is available

2019-09-23 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1754124



--- Comment #3 from Fedora Update System  ---
FEDORA-2019-fd1c851826 has been submitted as an update to Fedora 30.
https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2019-fd1c851826

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[Bug 1754124] perl-Module-CoreList-5.20190920 is available

2019-09-23 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1754124



--- Comment #2 from Fedora Update System  ---
FEDORA-2019-3bacaa907d has been submitted as an update to Fedora 31.
https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2019-3bacaa907d

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Re: Building for EPEL 8 -- missing kernel-headers-4.18.0-80.11.1.el8_0.x86_64.rpm

2019-09-23 Thread Jan Pazdziora
On Fri, Sep 20, 2019 at 09:21:21AM -0400, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
> On Fri, 20 Sep 2019 at 06:53, Jan Pazdziora  wrote:
> >
> > my attempt to (scratch) build an EPEL 8 package failed with
> >
> > 
> > https://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org//work/tasks/9259/37759259/root.log
> >
> > DEBUG util.py:593:  Error: Error downloading packages:
> > DEBUG util.py:593:Status code: 404 for 
> > https://infrastructure.fedoraproject.org/repo/rhel/rhel8/koji/latest/x86_64/RHEL-8-001/non_modular/kernel-headers-4.18.0-80.11.1.el8_0.x86_64.rpm
> > DEBUG util.py:741:  Child return code was: 1
> >
> > I assume it's not something I could affect from my fedpkg side.
> >
> > Is that a known issue? What is the best way to report it?
> >
> 
> It isn't a known issue.. I would report it as a releng issue so
> whatever I wrote to try and make this work can be fixed.
> 
> Looking at the tree
> 
> -rw-r--r--. 1 root sysadmin-main   434036 2019-09-20 09:25
> latest/x86_64/RHEL-8-001/non_modular/kernel-4.18.0-80.11.2.el8_0.x86_64.rpm

[...]

> latest/x86_64/RHEL-8-001/non_modular/kernel-tools-libs-devel-4.18.0-80.11.2.el8_0.x86_64.rpm
> 
> So the .2 kernel is the one which should be used. I don't see a
> timestamp in the file you provided so I am not sure if this build
> problem occurred near the 09:25 listed above or not.

Thanks Stephen for looking at it. I don't see the same problem today
and I was able to build the package.

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[Bug 1744683] [RFE] EPEL8 branch for perl-SOAP-Lite

2019-09-23 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1744683

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 Status|NEW |MODIFIED



--- Comment #4 from Fedora Update System  ---
FEDORA-EPEL-2019-e93cbd7c35 has been submitted as an update to Fedora EPEL 8.
https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-EPEL-2019-e93cbd7c35

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[Bug 1754124] perl-Module-CoreList-5.20190920 is available

2019-09-23 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1754124

Petr Pisar  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Status|ASSIGNED|MODIFIED
   Fixed In Version||perl-Module-CoreList-5.2019
   ||0920-1.fc32



--- Comment #1 from Petr Pisar  ---
An enhancement release suitable for all Fedoras.

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Re: About to orphan FreeGLUT

2019-09-23 Thread Tomáš Smetana
All right. You were the only one interested in taking FreeGLUT. It should be
yours now.

Thank you.
--ts

On Tue, 17 Sep 2019 18:10:21 +
Gwyn Ciesla via devel  wrote:

> Happy to have you. :)
> 
> 
> -- 
> Gwyn Ciesla
> she/her/hers
>  
> in your fear, seek only peace 
> in your fear, seek only love
> -d. bowie
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> ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
> On Tuesday, September 17, 2019 1:09 PM, Adam Jackson 
> wrote:
> 
> > On Tue, 2019-09-17 at 15:12 +, Gwyn Ciesla via devel wrote:
> >   
> 
> > > I'd love to see this not go away. If you can't find another volunteer
> > > before you orphan, I'll take it, FAS: limb. If someone with more
> > > experience with it steps up, give it to them.  
> >   
> 
> > I can't have mesa-demos break so I'm happy to comaintain.
> >   
> 
> > -   ajax  
> 


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[Bug 1754415] New: Upgrade perl-Server-Starter to 0.35

2019-09-23 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1754415

Bug ID: 1754415
   Summary: Upgrade perl-Server-Starter to 0.35
   Product: Fedora
   Version: rawhide
Status: NEW
 Component: perl-Server-Starter
  Assignee: rc040...@freenet.de
  Reporter: jples...@redhat.com
QA Contact: extras...@fedoraproject.org
CC: perl-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org,
rc040...@freenet.de
  Target Milestone: ---
Classification: Fedora



Latest Fedora delivers 0.34 version. Upstream released 0.35. When you have free
time, please upgrade it.

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[Bug 1754414] New: Upgrade perl-HTML-Scrubber to 0.18

2019-09-23 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1754414

Bug ID: 1754414
   Summary: Upgrade perl-HTML-Scrubber to 0.18
   Product: Fedora
   Version: rawhide
Status: NEW
 Component: perl-HTML-Scrubber
  Assignee: tcall...@redhat.com
  Reporter: jples...@redhat.com
QA Contact: extras...@fedoraproject.org
CC: jose.p.oliveira@gmail.com,
perl-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org,
tcall...@redhat.com
  Target Milestone: ---
Classification: Fedora



Latest Fedora delivers 0.17 version. Upstream released 0.18. When you have free
time, please upgrade it.

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[Bug 1754126] perl-CPAN-Perl-Releases-4.14 is available

2019-09-23 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1754126



--- Comment #1 from Fedora Update System  ---
FEDORA-2019-8304d409ff has been submitted as an update to Fedora 30.
https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2019-8304d409ff

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