Moving joyride to rawhide
Hi All, With the plans of releasing what is/was going to be 9.1.0 as based on Fedora 11 (rather than the original plans of Fedora 10) what is the plans on moving the joyride daily builds to pull in rawhide rather than Fedora 10? Is the plan for the 9.1.0 release (is it still going to be called that?) to be built from the existing OLPC build system (pilgrim?) or is there plans to move it to the Fedora system? If there are plans to move to the Fedora build system will it be able to sign the releases etc, or is this planned for sometime later? The reason I ask these questions is because its probably better to make the move sooner rather than later so people don't waste time testing and fixing things on Fedora 10 where it would be better to use the time with Fedora 11 so larger changes like python 2.6 etc can be tested. Sorry for the ramble. Peter ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Sucrose 0.83.4 Development Release
On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 03:28, Martin Langhoff wrote: > On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 12:34 PM, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: >> You got distracted with shiny stuff! > > Rickrolled indeed :-) > >>> Is it possible for you to add a single file that says the "journal >>> storage" version at the root of it? Something like >>> >>> $ cat .sugar/default/datastore/store/format >>> 2 >> >> We actually had it already, have updated the wiki page with info about it. >> >> http://sugarlabs.org/go/DevelopmentTeam/DatastoreRewrite > > Excellent news. Looks good (as described in the wikipage), so the > older datastores, having no 'version' file, are a nominal '0'. Yup. >> Sounds good, I guess you can do the reorg with hard links in the same >> script where we had the metadata exported to json. > > Exactly - guess what the client would have done, build an appropriate > hardlink tree, and then let rsync add/remove as appropriate. Avoids > transferring the actual data files which may be large. Sounds good. Regards, Tomeu ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Soas snapshot
2009/1/27 Gary C Martin : > Any tips as to what to do with these 2 on an XO? The only thing I've > done with .img and .crc before is copy-nand from firmware – is it > possible to run them from a usb stick without wiping nand or effecting > the existing nand install (so we can encourage safe(er) testing of new > code)? You can copy-nand to get them on NAND. Or you can use the USB stick process described here: http://sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick (please let us know if it works on XO!!) Daniel ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
[Server-devel] my installation notes
Hello: While installing the XS 0.5.1 server, i found an of issue. After running ./network_config and ./domain_config: The squid proxy server didn't start.. I had to manually create the directory /library/cache.. "chown" it and "chmod" it for the squid user.. and re-create the cache r...@localhost # mkdir /library/cache r...@localhost # chown -R squid.squid /library/cache r...@localhost # chmod 750 -R /library/cache r...@localhost # squid -f /etc/squid/squid-xs.conf -z it still throws a lot of warning messages, but it starts and it works. ___ Server-devel mailing list server-de...@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/server-devel
[Server-devel] IP addressing of access points
Hi, We are considering our options for having fixed addresses for access points on the network hosted by the XS. We would like to write some scripts to monitor the access points (e.g. ping them to see if they are alive) and so on. We will have several access points per XS in our deployment. We have discussed 3 options, all of which require small changes to the XS: 1. Modify the XS dhcpd config to not use the entire address range for DHCP. Then we statically assign IP addresses to the APs in the non-DHCP range. 2. Put the APs on their own subnets and add a routing entry on the XS (note that we have not tested if the APs will respond to IP-level traffic from a foriegn subnet, I know that some do not) 3. Configure the APs to get IP addresses over DHCP, and add MAC-based static reservations on the XS dhcp server. Of the 3 options, we like (1) the best because of its simplicity. But I'm wondering if anyone has any other suggestions or better ideas? cheers Daniel ___ Server-devel mailing list server-de...@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/server-devel
Re: Moving joyride to rawhide
2009/1/28 Peter Robinson : > With the plans of releasing what is/was going to be 9.1.0 as based on > Fedora 11 (rather than the original plans of Fedora 10) what is the > plans on moving the joyride daily builds to pull in rawhide rather > than Fedora 10? Is the plan for the 9.1.0 release (is it still going > to be called that?) to be built from the existing OLPC build system > (pilgrim?) or is there plans to move it to the Fedora system? If there > are plans to move to the Fedora build system will it be able to sign > the releases etc, or is this planned for sometime later? The reason I > ask these questions is because its probably better to make the move > sooner rather than later so people don't waste time testing and fixing > things on Fedora 10 where it would be better to use the time with > Fedora 11 so larger changes like python 2.6 etc can be tested. I believe that we want to build things using Fedora's tools -- we actually would like Fedora to build the releases in future. So, this means that pilgrim goes away, or that pilgrim gets adopted by Fedora (the former, I guess!). Some work may be needed on Fedora's build tools, but I was extremely pleased to hear that Sugar-on-a-stick is being built with standard Fedora tools, and we now have a (nearly?-)functional Soas XO image. Details like security, signing and updates remain to be figured out, I believe. For now, having a partially bootable image based on rawhide will be a great start. It would be best to use your time with OLPC-F11 preparation - I don't see the current joyride going anywhere. Daniel ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Moving joyride to rawhide
Hi Peter, > Hi All, With the plans of releasing what is/was going to be 9.1.0 > as based on Fedora 11 (rather than the original plans of Fedora 10) > what is the plans on moving the joyride daily builds to pull in > rawhide rather than Fedora 10? As Daniel said, I think a better plan is to start using livecd-tools as our build system. I tried making what would be the first "joyride" F11 build in this thread: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-olpc-list/2009-January/msg00081.html But I'm stuck with /dev/root not being created for an odd reason, could use some Fedora initrd knowledge. Once we have something that boots, I'd be happy to set up nightly automated builds using livecd-tools. Thanks! - Chris. -- Chris Ball ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Problem running Sugar on openSUSE 11.1, MOSTLY fixed
Jigish, I did a new installation of openSUSE 11.1 on my PC. I deleted all the existing partitions and started over, so absolutely nothing remains from the previous upgrade. I ran your commands and it gave the same complaint about sugar-activities, that it couldn't install etoys. I took option 1 to deal that complaint and wound up with a working installation of Sugar with just a Journal and no Activities. I tried installing just sugar-activities, got the same complaint, and this time chose option 2, which ignores some missing dependencies. This seemed to install some things, including abiword, but when I tried to run sugar-emulation I still got Sugar with a Journal but no Activities are visible. I haven't tried installing my own Activities yet. If that works then what I have working should be of some use to me. I'd really like those other Activities to be there, though. In your email you said *some* Activities don't work, and I assumed you meant you were missing etoys. You're doing better than I am, so I have to wonder what you're doing that I am not? Finally, I'd like to thank you and the others who tried to help me with this! James Simmons ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [Server-devel] updates
On Wed, 2009-01-28 at 15:24 +1300, Martin Langhoff wrote: > On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 1:49 PM, Jerry Vonau wrote: > > > No, the issue is that anaconda, for F9, doesn't have the kernel modules > > in the initrd, F10 does. Both fail to add the CF card to the > > partitioning screen, thus making them unavailable as install targets. > > Hmmm, ok. But how did dsd get F9 "release" installed on a CF card... > like 9 months ago? > > I'm thinking - > http://www.reactivated.net/weblog/archives/2008/08/regular-linux-desktops-on-the-xo/ > Next, find a regular PC that is capable of reading SD cards. We’re using a standard desktop plus a USB card reader. Boot that PC from the CD/DVD installation media that you burned earlier. Proceed through the installation as usual, but when asked where you would like to install the operating system, select the SD card. I think is issue would be the difference in kernel modules for the CF card readers. I'm booting the installer directly on the XO > >> I'm wondering if we can craft a just-installed image that can be dd'd > >> to SD cards. > >> > > That seems do-able, I'll try on the weekend to work something up. > > Great! I've got some ideas I want to try: "yum --installroot=" and anaconda --rootpath= from within the running os on the XO Jerry ___ Server-devel mailing list server-de...@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/server-devel
Re: Turning off the mesh to save battery power
I tried to disable mesh networking, like said there, it still has msh0 created and signal values registered with iwconfig. I stopped NetworkManager just. Is it really off, or do I need to destroy msh0, if possible? Also, on the subject of battery life, I noticed that even when off, the speakers seem to be amplifying "nothing", because there's still a slight humming sound coming off of them. This should be consuming something, right? Best regards, Tiago Marques On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 7:24 AM, Bryan Berry wrote: > On Tue, 2009-01-27 at 19:26 -0800, John Gilmore wrote: > > > hey guys, here in Nepal we are deciding whether or not to turn off the > > > mesh on our custom XO build in order to save power. We will leave on > > > regular wifi. > > > > > > Any ideas on how much power we will actually save? An extra hour of > > > battery life would be worth it > > > > (1) Try it and see, that's probably the easiest way. Every laptop has > > an instrument in the battery that you can measure its power draw with. > > See: > > > > http://wiki.laptop.org/go/XO_power_draw > > Thanks gnu, this is really helpful > > -- > Bryan W. Berry > Technology Director > OLE Nepal, http://www.olenepal.org > > ___ > Devel mailing list > Devel@lists.laptop.org > http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel > ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Turning off the mesh to save battery power
Plus, the wireless symbol still blinks quite a lot with the lid close, seems that mesh is still up and running? Tiago Marques On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 4:24 PM, Tiago Marques wrote: > I tried to disable mesh networking, like said there, it still has msh0 > created and signal values registered with iwconfig. I stopped NetworkManager > just. Is it really off, or do I need to destroy msh0, if possible? > > Also, on the subject of battery life, I noticed that even when off, the > speakers seem to be amplifying "nothing", because there's still a slight > humming sound coming off of them. This should be consuming something, right? > > Best regards, > >Tiago Marques > > On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 7:24 AM, Bryan Berry wrote: > >> On Tue, 2009-01-27 at 19:26 -0800, John Gilmore wrote: >> > > hey guys, here in Nepal we are deciding whether or not to turn off the >> > > mesh on our custom XO build in order to save power. We will leave on >> > > regular wifi. >> > > >> > > Any ideas on how much power we will actually save? An extra hour of >> > > battery life would be worth it >> > >> > (1) Try it and see, that's probably the easiest way. Every laptop has >> > an instrument in the battery that you can measure its power draw with. >> > See: >> > >> > http://wiki.laptop.org/go/XO_power_draw >> >> Thanks gnu, this is really helpful >> >> -- >> Bryan W. Berry >> Technology Director >> OLE Nepal, http://www.olenepal.org >> >> ___ >> Devel mailing list >> Devel@lists.laptop.org >> http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel >> > > ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Soas snapshot
Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote: > You can download the iso here: > > http://download.sugarlabs.org/soas/snapshots/1/Soas-200901271941.iso I have an issue to boot the stick on my desktop machine (ASUS A7V8X-X). It works fine on my T61 though. SYSLINUX 3.51 2007-06-10 EBIOS Copyright (C) 1994-2007 H. Peter Anvin Could not find kernel image: linux boot I tried if i could start the kernel directly with: boot: /syslinux/vmlinuz0 but it can not be found. Tried as well to specify the initrd but I always get the message that the kernel image can not be found. Found this thread but it does not really contain any solution for me https://fedorahosted.org/liveusb-creator/ticket/58 I use as well Fat16 as claimed by a few in this thread. Anyhow, so the images work great in general! Maybe someone has an idea about this error :) Thanks, Simon ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Turning off the mesh to save battery power
Tiago Marques wrote: > Plus, the wireless symbol still blinks quite a lot with the lid close, > seems that mesh is still up and running? > echo 0 > /sys/power/wlan_enabled -- Richard Smith One Laptop Per Child ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [Server-devel] my installation notes
2009/1/29 Rodolfo D. Arce S. : > The squid proxy server didn't start.. I had to manually create the directory > /library/cache.. "chown" it and "chmod" it for the squid user.. and > re-create the cache That is weird, and symptom of some other problem. - How did you enable Squid? You _must_ use the script provided in /etc/sysconfig/olpc-scripts (look in the script to see what it does; and note that it will probably do more in the future...) - Perhaps something went wrong with your /library mountpoint? What does `mount` say for /library? What's the output of `ls -la /library`? (there should be serveral dirs created at install time...) cheers, m -- martin.langh...@gmail.com mar...@laptop.org -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff ___ Server-devel mailing list server-de...@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/server-devel
Re: [Server-devel] updates
On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 5:24 AM, Jerry Vonau wrote: > Next, find a regular PC that is capable of reading SD cards. We're using Oh, good point. I thought that the XO SD reader was handled by the same kernel module as conventional SD readers. > I've got some ideas I want to try: "yum --installroot=" and > anaconda --rootpath= from within the running os on the XO That could work -- used from a F9 or F10 host, with a script that handles the partitioning, boot flags, etc... is that what you are thinking? Sounds good to me ;-) cheers. , -- martin.langh...@gmail.com mar...@laptop.org -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff ___ Server-devel mailing list server-de...@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/server-devel
Re: [Server-devel] IP addressing of access points
On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 2:08 AM, Daniel Drake wrote: > 1. Modify the XS dhcpd config to not use the entire address range for > DHCP. Then we statically assign IP addresses to the APs in the > non-DHCP range. Yeah, I also like this one. I think Bryan and Tony were asking me the same question couple of weeks ago over at 1cc. The "base" range has a very large netblock. It is a /19 at 172.18.96. with 8K addresses for the LAN / AP network. How do we "reserve" the IP addreses? - All together? (do your APs like to be on top, or bottom?) - a few per /8? (can make routing easier for a truly large setup? Again, top or bottom? Help come up w something that can be used everywhere. I assume if we spare up to 512 addresses (one AP per every 15 laptops!), we still have quite a bit of flexibility in terms of routing (if we grab a few per /8). cheers, m -- martin.langh...@gmail.com mar...@laptop.org -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff ___ Server-devel mailing list server-de...@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/server-devel
restore script
Hello: We're working on the deployment of 4000 XOs in Paraguay.. While testing the XS-XO backup interaction, i realized that there's no restore script.. If I reinstall the XO, how do I restore the journal.. from the XO??.. meaning that it shouldn't have administrative access to the server or anything like that. Is there a script or a command? I've been trying to find something in the list's archive but i didn't or missed it Thanks.. greetings from Paraguay.. Rodolfo ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: AMD to stop working on Geodes
> People say they buy computers to work, but by and large they really > buy them to play. And geodes > wont run modern games so they aren't selling. Before the term DDOS came into use, there was only the Slashdot effect where entire servers would melt down because of the sheer number of geeks a link to the front page of slashdot.org would bring. foru simple words can save the entirety of OLPC and the AMD, and in fact make both filthy rich, rich enough to execute our insane kumbaya vision. military grade hacker toy say those four magic words, sell the XO via geek online stores, and 1CC will be so slashdotted to high heck with orders that the waiting list will take years to fill out. At similar price points, the XO-1 puts the Nintendo DS, Tapwave Zodiac, GP2X, Sony PSP, Chumby and iPods + iPhones to shame. Support? real men don't need no steeenkin manuals or directions! just ship em in a plain cardboard box with a power adaptor and all will be good to go! Start selling current batches of 1GB Nand 256MB RAM. These are collector's items and will increase in value. Move out all existing stocks, and then fix fab to ship next version with 512MB RAM + 4-8GB NAND. Moore's law and Windows Vista have brought down the price of memory to dirt-cheap levels. Chipmakers produced so much RAM and opened so many factories in anticipation of Vista's insanely stupid bloatedness (that was the first time I ever saw a software company make bloatedness and inefficiency as a prime selling feature) that when it miserably failed, they now have so much RAM on their hands they don't know what to do with it. Chipmakers are in deep trouble right now and RAM prices have never been so low. Anyone looking to upgrade RAM, now is the time. OLPC? Have Quanta start on the XO-1.1 with the increased storage + memory. My concern with the upped specs is that AFAIK, more ram = increased power consumption? Or was that only for desktops and sticking additional sticks in empty memory slots? Also, here's something Jerome Gotangco over at OLPC Ph has noticed after sticking in Teapot's Xubuntu XO Intrepid Ibex liveSD: Battery life seems to have gone down a lot. I just recently managed to get the same working on 2 of the developer units with me on different kinds of SD Cards, and it seems that using the SD for the primary storage/OS cuts the battery life a lot because of the increased power draw from having to jump electricity through SD cards? (I haven't timed it yet, but I think battery life went down to about 2-2.5 hours with an active wifi connection and the screen brightness set to black and white sunlight readable mode?) Will do further tests. -Naz P.S. Seriously. Look at the popularity of the homebrew and retrogaming/emulation scene. Opening up sales of the XO to the geeks of the world will also provide the EXACT OPPOSITE of drawing away resources from OLPC. The sheer amount of geekery will give back and produce the amazing kinds of stuff you see from the homebrew and emulation hacker scene, creating troves of the much needed content the XO is lacking. P.P.S. Beggars can't be choosers. Asking for donations but putting conditions on it is just twisted ethics. Just sell 'em at $200 and economies of scale + moore's law will take care of things. P.P.P.S. Seriously seriously WTF seriously. P.P.P.P.P.P.P.S. WTF? WTF?WTF WTF? P.P.S. All snarkiness aside, will post better on why this is really extremely ethical and is the proper way to go. I have to sleep. Very little sleep since monday. nyt all. P.P.P.P.S. re: multitouch go for it! MPX, keep the "2nd screen" as a real keyboard -> power draw of 2nd screen + lack of haptics is a serious functionality problem. thanks to all who replied, such incredible starting points and I've done research on those 2 things I said even googling, but am tickled pink that the methods I outlined are in use :D check out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQpr3W-YmcQ&NR=1 too :) nyt -- carlos nazareno http://twitter.com/object404 http://www.object404.com -- adobe user group manager phlashers: philippine flash actionscripters adobe flash/flex/air community http://www.phlashers.com -- interactive media specialist zen graffiti studios http://www.zengraffiti.com -- "if you don't like the way the world is running, then change it instead of just complaining." ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: AMD to stop working on Geodes
On Thu, 29 Jan 2009, Carlos Nazareno wrote: > Also, here's something Jerome Gotangco over at OLPC Ph has noticed > after sticking in Teapot's Xubuntu XO Intrepid Ibex liveSD: Battery > life seems to have gone down a lot. one reason for this is that the power management for the XO is still tied up in OLPC specific things and not the standard interfaces that the distros use. David Lang ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: AMD to stop working on Geodes
Hi, > Also, here's something Jerome Gotangco over at OLPC Ph has noticed > after sticking in Teapot's Xubuntu XO Intrepid Ibex liveSD: Battery > life seems to have gone down a lot. We have power management software specific to the XO, and the Ubuntu build doesn't use it. - Chris. -- Chris Ball ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: AMD to stop working on Geodes
On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 4:57 PM, Carlos Nazareno wrote: >> People say they buy computers to work, but by and large they really >> buy them to play. And geodes >> wont run modern games so they aren't selling. > > Before the term DDOS came into use, there was only the Slashdot effect > where entire servers would melt down because of the sheer number of > geeks a link to the front page of slashdot.org would bring. > > foru simple words can save the entirety of OLPC and the AMD, and in > fact make both filthy rich, rich enough to execute our insane kumbaya > vision. > > military grade hacker toy > > say those four magic words, sell the XO via geek online stores, and > 1CC will be so slashdotted to high heck with orders that the waiting > list will take years to fill out. At similar price points, the XO-1 > puts the Nintendo DS, Tapwave Zodiac, GP2X, Sony PSP, Chumby and iPods > + iPhones to shame. > > Support? real men don't need no steeenkin manuals or directions! just > ship em in a plain cardboard box with a power adaptor and all will be > good to go! > > Start selling current batches of 1GB Nand 256MB RAM. These are > collector's items and will increase in value. > Move out all existing stocks, and then fix fab to ship next version > with 512MB RAM + 4-8GB NAND. Moore's law and Windows Vista have I believe there are technical or supply chain reasons that make it more difficult than just swapping out the NAND chips. Not to be rude, but you're not the first one who has thought of this :) bobby > brought down the price of memory to dirt-cheap levels. > > Chipmakers produced so much RAM and opened so many factories in > anticipation of Vista's insanely stupid bloatedness (that was the > first time I ever saw a software company make bloatedness and > inefficiency as a prime selling feature) that when it miserably > failed, they now have so much RAM on their hands they don't know what > to do with it. > > Chipmakers are in deep trouble right now and RAM prices have never > been so low. Anyone looking to upgrade RAM, now is the time. OLPC? > Have Quanta start on the XO-1.1 with the increased storage + memory. > > My concern with the upped specs is that AFAIK, more ram = increased > power consumption? Or was that only for desktops and sticking > additional sticks in empty memory slots? > > Also, here's something Jerome Gotangco over at OLPC Ph has noticed > after sticking in Teapot's Xubuntu XO Intrepid Ibex liveSD: Battery > life seems to have gone down a lot. > > I just recently managed to get the same working on 2 of the developer > units with me on different kinds of SD Cards, and it seems that using > the SD for the primary storage/OS cuts the battery life a lot because > of the increased power draw from having to jump electricity through SD > cards? (I haven't timed it yet, but I think battery life went down to > about 2-2.5 hours with an active wifi connection and the screen > brightness set to black and white sunlight readable mode?) > > Will do further tests. > > -Naz > > P.S. Seriously. Look at the popularity of the homebrew and > retrogaming/emulation scene. Opening up sales of the XO to the geeks > of the world will also provide the EXACT OPPOSITE of drawing away > resources from OLPC. The sheer amount of geekery will give back and > produce the amazing kinds of stuff you see from the homebrew and > emulation hacker scene, creating troves of the much needed content the > XO is lacking. > P.P.S. Beggars can't be choosers. Asking for donations but putting > conditions on it is just twisted ethics. Just sell 'em at $200 and > economies of scale + moore's law will take care of things. > > P.P.P.S. Seriously seriously WTF seriously. > P.P.P.P.P.P.P.S. WTF? WTF?WTF WTF? > > P.P.S. All snarkiness aside, will post better on why this is really > extremely ethical and is the proper way to go. I have to sleep. Very > little sleep since monday. nyt all. > > P.P.P.P.S. re: multitouch go for it! MPX, keep the "2nd screen" as a > real keyboard -> power draw of 2nd screen + lack of haptics is a > serious functionality problem. thanks to all who replied, such > incredible starting points and I've done research on those 2 things I > said even googling, but am tickled pink that the methods I outlined > are in use :D check out > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQpr3W-YmcQ&NR=1 too :) > > nyt > > -- > carlos nazareno > http://twitter.com/object404 > http://www.object404.com > -- > adobe user group manager > phlashers: philippine flash actionscripters > adobe flash/flex/air community > http://www.phlashers.com > -- > interactive media specialist > zen graffiti studios > http://www.zengraffiti.com > -- > "if you don't like the way the world is running, > then change it instead of just complaining." > ___ > Devel mailing list > Devel@lists.laptop.org > http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel > ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.
Re: AMD to stop working on Geodes
On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 11:53 AM, Bobby Powers wrote: > I believe there are technical or supply chain reasons that make it > more difficult than just swapping out the NAND chips. Not to be rude, > but you're not the first one who has thought of this :) Lot of people assume mfg is easy. It is incredibly hard, and everybody sweats blood over it. Every little change is a nightmare domino of other "little" changes. Apparently trivial changes have ginormous costs. Just like when a non-programmer goes "What could be hard about adding feature X? Add the button, a little bit of code behind it, done!". I find that annoying, so I avoid doing the same to hw people. Apple manages to make mfg easy and cool, but behind the scenes, man do they toil... cheers, m -- martin.langh...@gmail.com mar...@laptop.org -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Turning off the mesh to save battery power
Hmmm "ifconfig msh0 down" I already did, it still blinks and iwconfig msh0 shows signal level very active, don't know if because wlan0 is up. iwconfig msh0 down isn't exactly something supported. Best regards, Tiago Marques On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 10:17 PM, Richard A. Smith wrote: > Tiago Marques wrote: > >> That turns all of the wireless down. Any way to turn off just the mesh? >> >> > Oh sorry. Misread what you were asking for. Dunno offhand > 'iwconfig msh0 down' ? > > -- > Richard Smith > One Laptop Per Child > ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
ActivityTeam inaugural meeting
Hi everyone, Please join us for the first Sugar Labs ActivityTeam IRC meeting this Friday, 3PM EST in #sugar-meeting on FreeNode. http://sugarlabs.org/go/ActivityTeam/Meetings All are encouraged to attend. I will be especially happy to see the following kinds of people well represented: - Current and former activity developers, maintainers, packagers, testers! - Kind souls willing to help slog through and categorize the hundreds of Sugar activities at http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/ActivityTeam/ActivityStatus . - Deployment representatives who need activities & activity features yesterday. - G1G1 participants who want to get involved. - Representatives from the other SL teams. Hope to see you there, -Wade ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [IAEP] ActivityTeam inaugural meeting
Will this be a continuing weekly meeting? --g -- Got an XO that you're not using? Loan it to a needy developer! [[ http://wiki.laptop.org/go/XO_Exchange_Registry ]] On Wed, 28 Jan 2009, Wade Brainerd wrote: Hi everyone, Please join us for the first Sugar Labs ActivityTeam IRC meeting this Friday, 3PM EST in #sugar-meeting on FreeNode. http://sugarlabs.org/go/ActivityTeam/Meetings All are encouraged to attend. I will be especially happy to see the following kinds of people well represented: - Current and former activity developers, maintainers, packagers, testers! - Kind souls willing to help slog through and categorize the hundreds of Sugar activities at http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/ActivityTeam/ActivityStatus. - Deployment representatives who need activities & activity features yesterday. - G1G1 participants who want to get involved. - Representatives from the other SL teams. Hope to see you there, -Wade ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [Activities] ActivityTeam inaugural meeting
Note: there will also be a global volunteering meeting at the same time in #olpc from 3-5, and we will drop in and join for some of the activity discussion. SJ On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 6:17 PM, Wade Brainerd wrote: > Hi everyone, > Please join us for the first Sugar Labs ActivityTeam IRC meeting this > Friday, 3PM EST in #sugar-meeting on FreeNode. > http://sugarlabs.org/go/ActivityTeam/Meetings > All are encouraged to attend. I will be especially happy to see the > following kinds of people well represented: > - Current and former activity developers, maintainers, packagers, testers! > - Kind souls willing to help slog through and categorize the hundreds of > Sugar activities at > http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/ActivityTeam/ActivityStatus. > - Deployment representatives who need activities & activity features > yesterday. > - G1G1 participants who want to get involved. > - Representatives from the other SL teams. > Hope to see you there, > -Wade > ___ > Activities mailing list > activit...@lists.laptop.org > http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/activities > > ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: restore script
2009/1/29 Rodolfo D. Arce S. : > While testing the XS-XO backup interaction, i realized that there's no > restore script. it's been discussed a few times - but the list archives don't show anything for the obvious search terms. So here's some quick notes - - this is incomplete, because it depends on the Browse.xo integration w Moodle and the XS in general. - there is a "testing" UI @ http://schoolserver/ds-restore/ - it's all browser-based. you don't have a facility to "restore the journal". Some interesting docs at http://www.google.co.nz/search?q=%22ds-backup%22+restore+site%3Alaptop.org m -- martin.langh...@gmail.com mar...@laptop.org -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: AMD to stop working on Geodes
On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 9:57 PM, Carlos Nazareno wrote: > > People say they buy computers to work, but by and large they really > > buy them to play. And geodes > > wont run modern games so they aren't selling. > > Before the term DDOS came into use, there was only the Slashdot effect > where entire servers would melt down because of the sheer number of > geeks a link to the front page of slashdot.org would bring. > > foru simple words can save the entirety of OLPC and the AMD, and in > fact make both filthy rich, rich enough to execute our insane kumbaya > vision. > > military grade hacker toy > > say those four magic words, sell the XO via geek online stores, and > 1CC will be so slashdotted to high heck with orders that the waiting > list will take years to fill out. At similar price points, the XO-1 > puts the Nintendo DS, Tapwave Zodiac, GP2X, Sony PSP, Chumby and iPods > + iPhones to shame. > > Support? real men don't need no steeenkin manuals or directions! just > ship em in a plain cardboard box with a power adaptor and all will be > good to go! > > Start selling current batches of 1GB Nand 256MB RAM. These are > collector's items and will increase in value. > Move out all existing stocks, and then fix fab to ship next version > with 512MB RAM + 4-8GB NAND. Moore's law and Windows Vista have > brought down the price of memory to dirt-cheap levels. > I'm with you. The small detail is that the Geode LX doesn't support DDR2, AFAIK, and that's the cheapest RAM currently available, DDR1 is more expensive, so that it may be prohibitive. The most serious mistake, decision, whatever the case that the XO ships with is the lack of swap memory on a "bloated" python based environment. I have not used much my XO without the swap, cause I found that opening up 2 or 3 activities would make the XO "crash". Use 1GB of swap from an SD card and all is good. The XO should, at least, pack more flash or an SD card to have swap on it. If the SD card goes bad from constant swapping, exchange or throw it away. It wouldn't be worse than as is today. > Chipmakers produced so much RAM and opened so many factories in > anticipation of Vista's insanely stupid bloatedness (that was the > first time I ever saw a software company make bloatedness and > inefficiency as a prime selling feature) that when it miserably > failed, they now have so much RAM on their hands they don't know what > to do with it. > > Chipmakers are in deep trouble right now and RAM prices have never > been so low. Anyone looking to upgrade RAM, now is the time. OLPC? > Have Quanta start on the XO-1.1 with the increased storage + memory. > > My concern with the upped specs is that AFAIK, more ram = increased > power consumption? Or was that only for desktops and sticking > additional sticks in empty memory slots? > > Also, here's something Jerome Gotangco over at OLPC Ph has noticed > after sticking in Teapot's Xubuntu XO Intrepid Ibex liveSD: Battery > life seems to have gone down a lot. > > I just recently managed to get the same working on 2 of the developer > units with me on different kinds of SD Cards, and it seems that using > the SD for the primary storage/OS cuts the battery life a lot because > of the increased power draw from having to jump electricity through SD > cards? (I haven't timed it yet, but I think battery life went down to > about 2-2.5 hours with an active wifi connection and the screen > brightness set to black and white sunlight readable mode?) > > Will do further tests. > > -Naz > > P.S. Seriously. Look at the popularity of the homebrew and > retrogaming/emulation scene. Opening up sales of the XO to the geeks > of the world will also provide the EXACT OPPOSITE of drawing away > resources from OLPC. The sheer amount of geekery will give back and > produce the amazing kinds of stuff you see from the homebrew and > emulation hacker scene, creating troves of the much needed content the > XO is lacking. > P.P.S. Beggars can't be choosers. Asking for donations but putting > conditions on it is just twisted ethics. Just sell 'em at $200 and > economies of scale + moore's law will take care of things. > > P.P.P.S. Seriously seriously WTF seriously. > P.P.P.P.P.P.P.S. WTF? WTF?WTF WTF? > > P.P.S. All snarkiness aside, will post better on why this is really > extremely ethical and is the proper way to go. I have to sleep. Very > little sleep since monday. nyt all. > > P.P.P.P.S. re: multitouch go for it! MPX, keep the "2nd screen" as a > real keyboard -> power draw of 2nd screen + lack of haptics is a > serious functionality problem. thanks to all who replied, such > incredible starting points and I've done research on those 2 things I > said even googling, but am tickled pink that the methods I outlined > are in use :D check out > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQpr3W-YmcQ&NR=1 too :) > > nyt > > -- > carlos nazareno > http://twitter.com/object404 > http://www.object404.com > -- > adobe user group manager > phlashers: philippine flash ac
New staging build 23
http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/xo-1/streams/staging/build23 Changes in build 23 from build: 21 Size delta: 0.00M -bootanim 1.3-1 +bootanim 1.3-2 --- Changes for bootanim 1.3-2 from 1.3-1 --- + Rebuild, previous version had bad pyfb.so -- This mail was automatically generated See http://dev.laptop.org/~rwh/announcer/staging-pkgs.html for aggregate logs See http://dev.laptop.org/~rwh/announcer/joyride_vs_update1.html for a comparison ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: AMD to stop working on Geodes
On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 5:57 AM, Carlos Nazareno wrote: > Support? real men don't need no steeenkin manuals or directions! just > ship em in a plain cardboard box with a power adaptor and all will be > good to go! This unfortunately, is the point of view of a technical elitist (no I'm not pointing to you) that results to project failures. -- Jerome G. Blog: http://gotangco.blogspot.com ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: AMD to stop working on Geodes
On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 5:57 AM, Carlos Nazareno wrote: > say those four magic words, sell the XO via geek online stores, and > 1CC will be so slashdotted to high heck with orders that the waiting > list will take years to fill out. At similar price points, the XO-1 > puts the Nintendo DS, Tapwave Zodiac, GP2X, Sony PSP, Chumby and iPods > + iPhones to shame. I'm not so sure of this. Nintendo is in the business of selling software and their consoles are just the drivers to it. So with iPods and PSPs. And most of these items are pushed to drive sales of a bigger item (a Wii, a MacBook, or a PS3) so there is some sort of selling strategy involved. Selling individual XOs in retail could be a driver though, to make up for the disappointing G1G1 2008 sales, but its pretty damn hard to compete on sheer geekery alone. -- Jerome G. Blog: http://gotangco.blogspot.com ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Devel Digest, Vol 35, Issue 84
> On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 5:57 AM, Carlos Nazareno wrote: >> Support? real men don't need no steeenkin manuals or directions! just >> ship em in a plain cardboard box with a power adaptor and all will be >> good to go! > > This unfortunately, is the point of view of a technical elitist (no > I'm not pointing to you) that results to project failures. WHAT??? -10,000 geek cred you, sir, have just lost your manliness points. real men never ask for directions. real men would rather get lost driving and end up in the middle of nowhere on some strange road in the boondocks 30 miles away from civilization after nightfall than to cave in to their wife and ask the local how to get to the beach resort! shame shame, jerome. tsk tsk tsk. lol -- carlos nazareno http://twitter.com/object404 http://www.object404.com -- adobe user group manager phlashers: philippine flash actionscripters adobe flash/flex/air community http://www.phlashers.com -- interactive media specialist zen graffiti studios http://www.zengraffiti.com -- "if you don't like the way the world is running, then change it instead of just complaining." ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] ActivityTeam inaugural meeting
On Wed, 2009-01-28 at 18:17 -0500, Wade Brainerd wrote: > Hi everyone, > > > Please join us for the first Sugar Labs ActivityTeam IRC meeting this > Friday, 3PM EST in #sugar-meeting on FreeNode. > > > http://sugarlabs.org/go/ActivityTeam/Meetings > > Wade, great idea! I would love to attend but unfortunately 3 PM EST translates to 2 AM Saturday morning. I do have an item to add to the agenda, which you and I have discussed previously. I would love for someone on the activityTeam to document how to easily add new instruments to TamTam. I have added this as a High-impact task on the ToDo List We do have a Nepali volunteer Vrishank Khanal who is trying to figure this out. Vrishank is brand-new to linux, programming, and open-source so adding instruments to TamTam may be beyond his current abilities if the task requires C Programming and/or CSound scripting. He has contacted Jean Piche. Let's hope he hears back soon. -- Bryan W. Berry Technology Director OLE Nepal, http://www.olenepal.org ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] ActivityTeam inaugural meeting
On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 08:05:30AM +0545, Bryan Berry wrote: > On Wed, 2009-01-28 at 18:17 -0500, Wade Brainerd wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > > > > > Please join us for the first Sugar Labs ActivityTeam IRC meeting this > > Friday, 3PM EST in #sugar-meeting on FreeNode. > > > > > > http://sugarlabs.org/go/ActivityTeam/Meetings > > > > > > Wade, great idea! I would love to attend but unfortunately 3 PM EST > translates to 2 AM Saturday morning. > > I do have an item to add to the agenda, which you and I have discussed > previously. > > I would love for someone on the activityTeam to document how to easily > add new instruments to TamTam. I have added this as a High-impact task > on the ToDo List > > We do have a Nepali volunteer Vrishank Khanal who is trying to figure > this out. Vrishank is brand-new to linux, programming, and open-source > so adding instruments to TamTam may be beyond his current abilities if > the task requires C Programming and/or CSound scripting. He has > contacted Jean Piche. Let's hope he hears back soon. its(adding new intruments) already in progress :) -- Aleksey ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
OLPC upgrades
Guess what? The people at OLPC, who aren't stupid, already considered every point in the message cited below, a long time ago. So why aren't we doing them? ...* *On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 9:57 PM, Carlos Nazareno wrote: > > where entire servers would melt down because of the sheer number of > > geeks a link to the front page of slashdot.org would bring. > > > > foru simple words can save the entirety of OLPC and the AMD, and in > > fact make both filthy rich, rich enough to execute our insane kumbaya > > vision. > > > > military grade hacker toy > I've been in the computer industry for over 25 years and I have seen very, very few hacker-oriented products succeed at any significant scale. The problem with selling to hackers is that they all want something different, and they want shiny and new, so you can't get enough volume of one product to get to economy of scale. And with a hacker product, you *never* get a large single order or a predictable continuing business stream, so planning future production is virtually impossible. See below about the importance of that. > > > > say those four magic words, sell the XO via geek online stores, and > > 1CC will be so slashdotted to high heck with orders that the waiting > > list will take years to fill out. ... which is pretty much the classic way to go out of business. If you can't fulfill orders in a timely fashion, the customers will get mad and cancel the orders and badmouth you to death. To fill orders in a timely fashion, you have to build up stock in advance, which means that you have to buy parts in advance (lead times can be months), which means you either have to pay in advance or convince the suppliers to bet on you, which is very hard because the suppliers that are still in business have learned the hard way that extending credit to unproven companies is a very good way to stop being in business. If you guess high and order too much, you can lose money even if you have sold a lot of product. If you guess low, you get into the unfilled orders / unhappy customers problem, so you have to do something heroic to get the production up quickly, which usually means you end up paying more for parts and services. In many cases, there can be a 9 month delay between when you have to commit the money for the parts and the time you actually get paid. Multiply that times a lot of units, and you are looking at a lot of money at risk for a very uncertain future return. > At similar price points, the XO-1 > > puts the Nintendo DS, Tapwave Zodiac, GP2X, Sony PSP, Chumby and iPods > > + iPhones to shame. > Huh? Nintendo and PSP are game machines backed by long lists of titles, with well-established companies that have put lots of effort into creating products that appeal to a specific market, and a long history of many other companies that got it wrong and died. iPods are, or were, a fashion statement. You're not likely to see anybody jogging with an XO dangling from their neck or strapped to their arm. iPhone is the current fashion statement, and it is associated with a valuable service called a telephone network. You can't whip an XO out of your pocket and call Billy Bob. Comparing XO to these products is meaningless, except insofar as the iPhone / PDA products are starting to become capable enough to subsume a lot of computer functions. The XO-1 isn't a credible substitute for a phone at all. > > > > Support? real men don't need no steeenkin manuals or directions! just > > ship em in a plain cardboard box with a power adaptor and all will be > > good to go! > You might be surprised at the amount of time I have spent answering questions from hackers. In the sort of open development and communications environment that we have, hackers know how to contact you. In some cases, the interaction with them has been quite valuable, but the "don't need no support" notion is just not what happens. > > > > Start selling current batches of 1GB Nand 256MB RAM. These are > > collector's items and will increase in value. > > Move out all existing stocks, and then fix fab to ship next version > > with 512MB RAM + 4-8GB NAND. Moore's law and Windows Vista have > > brought down the price of memory to dirt-cheap levels. > > As Tiago pointed out, the Geode is designed for DDR1 memory, which is not only off the leading price / technology curve, but is in the realm of "you have to make special arrangements to secure a reliable supply". There may be ways to adapt Geode to use DDR2 memory, but it's not a slam dunk. You can't just do a simple board relayout and be good to go. At the very least you would have to design and debug and production-qualify some sort of outboard interface chip, and redo all the memory integrity tests. Do you have any idea how critical memory interface signal integrity is these days? On the NAND front, the new generation of high-capacity NAND has moved to MLC (multi-level cell) design
Re: [Sugar-devel] ActivityTeam inaugural meeting
On Thu, 2009-01-29 at 02:35 +, Aleksey Lim wrote: > its(adding new intruments) already in progress :) > Awesome! Zamechatelno! -- Bryan W. Berry Technology Director OLE Nepal, http://www.olenepal.org ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Notes from an impromptu 8.2.1 Release Mtg.
Hal Murray wrote: > For me, the new wireless is a step backwards. My setup used to fail > occasionally. Now it connects occasionally. genesee wrote: > wifi has been broken in staging-9 and 11 Pia Waugh added: > I had a similar problem. I'm on a WEP network which worked fine on 8.2.0, > but we simply can't connect on 8.2.1. The AP is a Billion brand. I can see > the network, and am prompted for the password, but no joy! > > I've also booted three times and each time the two freshly imaged 8.2.1 > laptops don't see each other. I had previously tried just installing the > kernel rpm associated with ticket #9048, and noticed the same issue, so it > might be a problem with that package, which is a new kernel :) For myself, I wanted to connect a staging-21 system to a wireless AP, but *could not* - no matter what I tried. [When I tried build 767 with the identical hardware and setup, it connected easily.] Ticket #9222 has been written about the WEP problem. I wrote #9223 (which might be a duplicate of #9222). Remember - in addition to new function being tested, there ought to be regression testing (especially of vital things like wireless). mikus p.s. Neighborhood View shows only one icon per XO, regardless of what IP address that XO might have. I have two XOs with 8.2.1 at home. If both are connected to the ethernet, both see each other (presumably through the respective ethernet IP addresses). If at least one of them is not connected to the ethernet, they still see each other (presumably through the respective mesh IP addresses). ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [Testing] Notes from an impromptu 8.2.1 Release Mtg.
On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 01:26:45AM -0500, Mikus Grinbergs wrote: > > I had a similar problem. I'm on a WEP network which worked fine on 8.2.0, > > but we simply can't connect on 8.2.1. The AP is a Billion brand. I can see > > the network, and am prompted for the password, but no joy! > > > > I've also booted three times and each time the two freshly imaged 8.2.1 > > laptops don't see each other. I had previously tried just installing the > > kernel rpm associated with ticket #9048, and noticed the same issue, so it > > might be a problem with that package, which is a new kernel :) > > For myself, I wanted to connect a staging-21 system to a wireless > AP, but *could not* - no matter what I tried. [When I tried build > 767 with the identical hardware and setup, it connected easily.] > Ticket #9222 has been written about the WEP problem. I wrote #9223 > (which might be a duplicate of #9222). I just performed some more testing of this for Pia. When connecting through the GUI I can't connect to the AP at all using WEP. It simply keeps asking for the encryption key. However I can connect fine from the command line by doing iwconfig eth0 essid blah iwconfig eth0 mode Managed iwconfig eth0 key 1235... dhclient If I run iwconfig while the GUI is trying to connect I never see the encryption key set. So maybe network-manager isn't successfully setting the WEP key on the interface? Cheers, John -- John Bloghttp://www.inodes.org/blog OLPC Friends http://olpcfriends.org ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
