Re: [SailfishDevel] Harbour QA process...

[Andreas Enbacka]

I would like to agree with Franck on this. I have also partly held off 
developing for SailfishOS due to e.g., the Harbour process, as well as 
due to APIs my apps need to are not allowed. I think that in case Jolla 
wants developers to focus on developing native apps for SailfishOS, many 
improvments are needed in this area.


Regards,
Andreas Enbacka

On 10.1.2014 9:57, Franck Routier (perso) wrote:

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Hi,

currently, the Harbour QA process is quite frustrating, as problems
are reported one after the other, with a delay of several days
inbetween... reminds me of the old time cobol compilators!

It would be cool if the efforts made by the developper to provide free
native application were a bit more considered.

Ok, I'm talking out of frustration, but I had my app rejected first
because of naming conventions of the app itself (I didn't properly
read the FAQ, but it is not stated either in the app submission page
of Harbour), delay of 7 days, then because of rmp file naming
convention (which I did not find clearly stated except in the
rejection notification - 5 more days). Now I am waiting for next step
(2 days for now...)

I understand this is a lot of work, but what I suggest is :
- - more controls and more information in the app submission page
(testing the naming conventions of at least the files seems trivial)
- - when doing QA, report all problems at once, not just the first one
- - maybe provide a QA tool so that developpers could do this job and
let jolla teams concentrate on real QA (power consumption, security
checks, ...)

Hope this does not sound too demanding...

Best regards,
Franck
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Re: [SailfishDevel] Jolla Phone crashes with no mobile network available

[Jani Kotakoski]

Dear all,

I have observed something perhaps related after the last update:

My Jolla becomes unresponsive to the point of requiring a reboot almost always
when I move from an area with a WLAN connection to cell-only connection and
vice versa (eg.  when ever leaving home or entering home). The screen comes
alive for a moment or two after pressing the power button before halting again,
but the double tap never works.

Cheers,
Jani


On 01/09/2014, christopher.l...@thurweb.ch wrote:
> Hi Martin
> 
> There is a comment indicating cell-tower as a cause in:
> 
> https://together.jolla.com/question/7144/jolla-randomly-shuts-down/
> 
> 
> Grüsse
> 
> Chris
> 
> Zitat von martin.gri...@gmail.com:
> 
> >Hi,
> >
> >those who experience their Jolla crashing out of the blue, can you
> >please elaborate, to  see if we're in the same boat?
> >
> >Did it switch off all of a sudden?
> >Because I'm experiencing this repeatedly. I begin to see a pattern
> >in my switch offs. Heavy network traffic on forced 2G in the
> >western part of Munich (Pasing and Planegg).
> >I haven't experience this problem in other areas so far, so I
> >assume it could be ofono-related.
> >
> >Do you see common patterns among your crashes, too?
> >
> >
> >Martin
> >
> >
> >
> >Am Thu Jan 09 2014 15:39:30 GMT+0100 (CET) schrieb Oliver Berger:
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> >>
> >>It was crashing resp. switching off even while taking pictures
> >>(like you are one instance before clicking and the
> >>screen turns black - mehhh ;)... I had to startup again enter my
> >>pin and so on...
> >>
> >>For me it was not responding with a black screen == OFF == crashed???
> >>But the phone was not rebooting - just no response.
> >>
> >>So indeed it could be also very very slow. But who knows the
> >>difference between "very slow" and "off", when normally
> >>the phone is responding quite fast?
> >>
> >>I also noticed in other occasions that sometimes when I press
> >>the power button to activate the screen, the screen
> >>flickers or shows up a very short time and turns black again
> >>(mostly with active camera app) - then I have to press
> >>the power button twice to activate the screen.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>On 09.01.2014 15:06, Andrea Bernabei wrote:
> >>>hello :)
> >>>
> >>>was the phone really crashing (i.e. rebooting), or did you
> >>>just mean the network connectivity kept crashing making
> >>>the phone very slow and not very usable?
> >>>
> >>>I'm asking because I experienced the second :)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>2014/1/9 Oliver Berger  >>>>
> >>>
> >>>Hello,
> >>>
> >>>I am actually at Lanzarote and while visiting the caves there,
> >>>I noticed my jolla phone was crashing every time I
> >>>was somewhere - impossible to have a mobile network available.
> >>>It was so bad that I could hardly take pictures,
> >>>since it was crashing all the time...
> >>>
> >>>On the surface again I had also problems starting the phone,
> >>>so I removed the batteries... now all is working
> >>>again.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>I have no idea how to debug this, since there are no log files in /var/log
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>cheers Oliver ___
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> >>>
> >>>
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Re: [SailfishDevel] Howto ship QML plugins for harbour

[Reto Zingg]

Hi,

On 09.01.2014 12:39, dcali...@free.fr wrote:

Hello,

I need to ship two system QML plugins with my app for it to validate the
harbour recommendations. How can I do this ?

Let's take the example of QtPositioning


lets take an other example ;-)

https://github.com/nemomobile/nemo-qml-plugin-dbus

which is not allowed as such in Harbour, so I had to add it:
https://github.com/d0b3rm4n/harbour-simpletorch/tree/master/src/dbus

I had to make changes in plugin.cpp and qmldir and install it 
accordingly (see dbus.pro, qmldir installs to 
/usr/share/$NAME/lib/harbour/simpletorch/dbus, and lib to 
/usr/share/$NAME/lib/).


In 
https://github.com/d0b3rm4n/harbour-simpletorch/blob/master/src/harbour-simpletorch.cpp 
I had to set the addImportPath to /usr/share/$NAME/lib/ and then I can 
import is in .qml files as:


import harbour.simpletorch.dbus 1.0

br
Reto


We have:
[nemo@SailfishEmul devel]$ rpm -ql qt5-qtdeclarative-import-positioning
/usr/lib/qt5/qml/QtPositioning
/usr/lib/qt5/qml/QtPositioning/libdeclarative_positioning.so
/usr/lib/qt5/qml/QtPositioning/plugins.qmltypes
/usr/lib/qt5/qml/QtPositioning/qmldir

So, in the spec file, I can install these three files in
/usr/share/$APPNAME/qml. But in the FAQ of the harbour, they say that one should
rename the import to harbour.appname.QtPositioning, when I grep QtPositioning in
qmldir and plugins.qmltypes, it appears a lot of times. Should I replace all
with APPNAME-QtPositioning ? Then, should the directory be renamed also ?

And finally, when all is shipped in the RPM, and everything has been renamed
properly, how can I expand the QML search dir to include also
/usr/share/$APPNAME/qml ?

Thanks for the help, have a nice day,

Damien.
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Re: [SailfishDevel] Harbour QA process...

[Kalle Vahlman]

2014/1/10 Andreas Enbacka :
> I would like to agree with Franck on this. I have also partly held off
> developing for SailfishOS due to e.g., the Harbour process, as well as due
> to APIs my apps need to are not allowed.

This seems backwards; if no cool apps exist for SailfishOS that use
certain API's, what's the incentive for Jolla to allow them in
Harbour?

Please please do develop for SailfishOS and *make* Jolla beg and
promise anything to get your superb app submitted to Harbour! ;)

 Kalle

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Re: [SailfishDevel] Harbour QA process...

[Ruediger Gad]

Hi,

I agree as well.
Having a quicker way to check at least simple requirements would greatly
improve the developer experience as well as the work of the testers at
Harbour.
I filed a request about this at together.jolla.com:
https://together.jolla.com/question/13023/harbour-toolautomatism-for-quickly-checking-simple-compliance-requirements/

This is not intended as complaint but as a request to improve things.
I think, having a quicker way to check compliance would not only benefit
us developers but would also ease the work of the testers at Harbour as
they would not need to complain about simple "standard" issues that often.

Besides, I just got an app rejected again (after about two days) because
I missed one path that was not according to the XDG requirements.
Yeah, I know, I should have looked more thoroughly (I actually grepped
through all my sources but somehow still managed to miss that one
thing.) but in that case a tool that I could run or a pre-check that is
run automatically after uploading an *.rpm to Harbour would have been great.



Best regards,

Ruediger




On 01/10/2014 09:01 AM, Andreas Enbacka wrote:
> I would like to agree with Franck on this. I have also partly held off
> developing for SailfishOS due to e.g., the Harbour process, as well as
> due to APIs my apps need to are not allowed. I think that in case Jolla
> wants developers to focus on developing native apps for SailfishOS, many
> improvments are needed in this area.
> 
> Regards,
> Andreas Enbacka
> 
> On 10.1.2014 9:57, Franck Routier (perso) wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> currently, the Harbour QA process is quite frustrating, as problems
> are reported one after the other, with a delay of several days
> inbetween... reminds me of the old time cobol compilators!
> 
> It would be cool if the efforts made by the developper to provide free
> native application were a bit more considered.
> 
> Ok, I'm talking out of frustration, but I had my app rejected first
> because of naming conventions of the app itself (I didn't properly
> read the FAQ, but it is not stated either in the app submission page
> of Harbour), delay of 7 days, then because of rmp file naming
> convention (which I did not find clearly stated except in the
> rejection notification - 5 more days). Now I am waiting for next step
> (2 days for now...)
> 
> I understand this is a lot of work, but what I suggest is :
> - more controls and more information in the app submission page
> (testing the naming conventions of at least the files seems trivial)
> - when doing QA, report all problems at once, not just the first one
> - maybe provide a QA tool so that developpers could do this job and
> let jolla teams concentrate on real QA (power consumption, security
> checks, ...)
> 
> Hope this does not sound too demanding...
> 
> Best regards,
> Franck
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Re: [SailfishDevel] Harbour QA process...

[Jukka Eklund]

That's right!

You can get your app into eg. openrepos.net, and there is a store app now
for Sailfish too: https://openrepos.net/content/basil/warehouse


On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 10:32 AM, Kalle Vahlman wrote:

> 2014/1/10 Andreas Enbacka :
> > I would like to agree with Franck on this. I have also partly held off
> > developing for SailfishOS due to e.g., the Harbour process, as well as
> due
> > to APIs my apps need to are not allowed.
>
> This seems backwards; if no cool apps exist for SailfishOS that use
> certain API's, what's the incentive for Jolla to allow them in
> Harbour?
>
> Please please do develop for SailfishOS and *make* Jolla beg and
> promise anything to get your superb app submitted to Harbour! ;)
>
>  Kalle
>
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Re: [SailfishDevel] Harbour QA process...

[Ruediger Gad]

On 01/10/2014 09:32 AM, Kalle Vahlman wrote:
> 2014/1/10 Andreas Enbacka :
>> I would like to agree with Franck on this. I have also partly held off
>> developing for SailfishOS due to e.g., the Harbour process, as well as due
>> to APIs my apps need to are not allowed.
> 
> This seems backwards; if no cool apps exist for SailfishOS that use
> certain API's, what's the incentive for Jolla to allow them in
> Harbour?
> 
> Please please do develop for SailfishOS and *make* Jolla beg and
> promise anything to get your superb app submitted to Harbour! ;)
> 
>  Kalle
> 

Well, that is some kind of a hen and egg problem.
One view on this is, as you say, when there is no app that requires lib
X, lib X won't be added.
On the other hand, if lib X is not present, developer of app Y requiring
lib X might not port/develop app Y for Sailfish or submission to Harbour.
So, there is at least some potential to end up in a deadlock situation.

Futhermore, having a cool tool set, in form of libs etc., available may
also spark creativity among developers and thus result in more cool apps
being developed for Sailfish and pushed to Harbour.
I think we all want to see Sailfish succeed and are highly motivated to
contribute cool content, apps, etc.



BR,

Ruediger




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Re: [SailfishDevel] Harbour QA process...

[Reto Zingg]

Hi,

On 10.01.2014 10:36, Ruediger Gad wrote:

Hi,

I agree as well.
Having a quicker way to check at least simple requirements would greatly
improve the developer experience as well as the work of the testers at
Harbour.
I filed a request about this at together.jolla.com:
https://together.jolla.com/question/13023/harbour-toolautomatism-for-quickly-checking-simple-compliance-requirements/


That's a duplicate request... see current answer here:

https://together.jolla.com/question/1593/integrate-qa-testing-scripts-with-sailfish-sdk/#post-id-8663

br
Reto



This is not intended as complaint but as a request to improve things.
I think, having a quicker way to check compliance would not only benefit
us developers but would also ease the work of the testers at Harbour as
they would not need to complain about simple "standard" issues that often.

Besides, I just got an app rejected again (after about two days) because
I missed one path that was not according to the XDG requirements.
Yeah, I know, I should have looked more thoroughly (I actually grepped
through all my sources but somehow still managed to miss that one
thing.) but in that case a tool that I could run or a pre-check that is
run automatically after uploading an *.rpm to Harbour would have been great.



Best regards,

Ruediger




On 01/10/2014 09:01 AM, Andreas Enbacka wrote:

I would like to agree with Franck on this. I have also partly held off
developing for SailfishOS due to e.g., the Harbour process, as well as
due to APIs my apps need to are not allowed. I think that in case Jolla
wants developers to focus on developing native apps for SailfishOS, many
improvments are needed in this area.

Regards,
Andreas Enbacka

On 10.1.2014 9:57, Franck Routier (perso) wrote:
Hi,

currently, the Harbour QA process is quite frustrating, as problems
are reported one after the other, with a delay of several days
inbetween... reminds me of the old time cobol compilators!

It would be cool if the efforts made by the developper to provide free
native application were a bit more considered.

Ok, I'm talking out of frustration, but I had my app rejected first
because of naming conventions of the app itself (I didn't properly
read the FAQ, but it is not stated either in the app submission page
of Harbour), delay of 7 days, then because of rmp file naming
convention (which I did not find clearly stated except in the
rejection notification - 5 more days). Now I am waiting for next step
(2 days for now...)

I understand this is a lot of work, but what I suggest is :
- more controls and more information in the app submission page
(testing the naming conventions of at least the files seems trivial)
- when doing QA, report all problems at once, not just the first one
- maybe provide a QA tool so that developpers could do this job and
let jolla teams concentrate on real QA (power consumption, security
checks, ...)

Hope this does not sound too demanding...

Best regards,
Franck

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Re: [SailfishDevel] Harbour QA process...

[Ruediger Gad]

Hi,

thanks, yeah, Kontio also commented on this and closed the request.
I actually searched before posting but didn't find that one.
Thanks again.



BR,

Ruediger




On 01/10/2014 09:45 AM, Reto Zingg wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> On 10.01.2014 10:36, Ruediger Gad wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I agree as well.
>> Having a quicker way to check at least simple requirements would greatly
>> improve the developer experience as well as the work of the testers at
>> Harbour.
>> I filed a request about this at together.jolla.com:
>> https://together.jolla.com/question/13023/harbour-toolautomatism-for-quickly-checking-simple-compliance-requirements/
>>
> 
> That's a duplicate request... see current answer here:
> 
> https://together.jolla.com/question/1593/integrate-qa-testing-scripts-with-sailfish-sdk/#post-id-8663
> 
> 
> br
> Reto
> 
> 
>> This is not intended as complaint but as a request to improve things.
>> I think, having a quicker way to check compliance would not only benefit
>> us developers but would also ease the work of the testers at Harbour as
>> they would not need to complain about simple "standard" issues that
>> often.
>>
>> Besides, I just got an app rejected again (after about two days) because
>> I missed one path that was not according to the XDG requirements.
>> Yeah, I know, I should have looked more thoroughly (I actually grepped
>> through all my sources but somehow still managed to miss that one
>> thing.) but in that case a tool that I could run or a pre-check that is
>> run automatically after uploading an *.rpm to Harbour would have been
>> great.
>>
>>
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Ruediger
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 01/10/2014 09:01 AM, Andreas Enbacka wrote:
>>> I would like to agree with Franck on this. I have also partly held off
>>> developing for SailfishOS due to e.g., the Harbour process, as well as
>>> due to APIs my apps need to are not allowed. I think that in case Jolla
>>> wants developers to focus on developing native apps for SailfishOS, many
>>> improvments are needed in this area.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Andreas Enbacka
>>>
>>> On 10.1.2014 9:57, Franck Routier (perso) wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> currently, the Harbour QA process is quite frustrating, as problems
>>> are reported one after the other, with a delay of several days
>>> inbetween... reminds me of the old time cobol compilators!
>>>
>>> It would be cool if the efforts made by the developper to provide free
>>> native application were a bit more considered.
>>>
>>> Ok, I'm talking out of frustration, but I had my app rejected first
>>> because of naming conventions of the app itself (I didn't properly
>>> read the FAQ, but it is not stated either in the app submission page
>>> of Harbour), delay of 7 days, then because of rmp file naming
>>> convention (which I did not find clearly stated except in the
>>> rejection notification - 5 more days). Now I am waiting for next step
>>> (2 days for now...)
>>>
>>> I understand this is a lot of work, but what I suggest is :
>>> - more controls and more information in the app submission page
>>> (testing the naming conventions of at least the files seems trivial)
>>> - when doing QA, report all problems at once, not just the first one
>>> - maybe provide a QA tool so that developpers could do this job and
>>> let jolla teams concentrate on real QA (power consumption, security
>>> checks, ...)
>>>
>>> Hope this does not sound too demanding...
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> Franck
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Re: [SailfishDevel] No inbox?

[Norbert Wenzel]

On 01/09/2014 06:16 PM, Reto Zingg wrote:

On 09.01.2014 19:03, Markus Svensson wrote:

Does the mail app log errors somewhere on the device?


If you have developer mode enabled, set in
/home/nemo/.config/QtProject/Messageserver.conf:

[StdStreamLog]
Enabled=1

Then run message server in foreground
pkill messageserver5; /usr/bin/messageserver5
and reproduce, any errors?


Reto, thanks for that. This was the only way to debug my mail settings. 
This is now the first time I'm running two of my mail accounts (Gmail 
and GMX (a german provider)) and they both are able to receive and send 
mails at the same time.


What was strange was that Gmail actually worked before until I ran out 
of power. It seems my google credentials had been lost and I had to 
login using the account manager again. But though the account manager 
told everythin was ok and I could use Google Talk and mail the mail app 
could not connect. Restarting the mailapp did not work and I had to 
restart the whole phone.


I've seen similar problems with the mail-only GMX account, but there I 
only had to retype my password (though the account manager showed the 
correct number of dots, so it looked as if a valid password has been 
entered before) after the low-power shutdown and only start the mailapp 
again.


Is it possible that some credentials are lost sometimes and credential 
updates are not always signalled to the mailapp? I think might have been 
the source for my problems with setting up mail. I entered the correct 
details and actually connected successfully (when reading the logs) but 
the mailapp still showed connection errors. So without the log I changed 
the account settings again instead of just restarting the mailapp/phone.


Norbert
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Re: [SailfishDevel] Harbour QA process...

[Kalle Vahlman]

2014/1/10 Ruediger Gad :
> On 01/10/2014 09:32 AM, Kalle Vahlman wrote:
>> 2014/1/10 Andreas Enbacka :
>>> I would like to agree with Franck on this. I have also partly held off
>>> developing for SailfishOS due to e.g., the Harbour process, as well as due
>>> to APIs my apps need to are not allowed.
>>
>> This seems backwards; if no cool apps exist for SailfishOS that use
>> certain API's, what's the incentive for Jolla to allow them in
>> Harbour?
>>
>> Please please do develop for SailfishOS and *make* Jolla beg and
>> promise anything to get your superb app submitted to Harbour! ;)
>>
>>  Kalle
>>
>
> Well, that is some kind of a hen and egg problem.
> One view on this is, as you say, when there is no app that requires lib
> X, lib X won't be added.
> On the other hand, if lib X is not present, developer of app Y requiring
> lib X might not port/develop app Y for Sailfish or submission to Harbour.
> So, there is at least some potential to end up in a deadlock situation.

Sure, but only if one sees acceptance to Harbour as the immediate
target rather than developing an app for SailfishOS. Those are two
distinctive targets, or at least should be. Harbour/Jolla Store is by
no means the only way to install software to the phone.

> Futhermore, having a cool tool set, in form of libs etc., available may
> also spark creativity among developers and thus result in more cool apps
> being developed for Sailfish and pushed to Harbour.

That's right, but given that you can pull almost anything from
mer/nemo into the phone it's mostly valid point just for the latter.

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Re: [SailfishDevel] Harbour QA process...

[Martin Windolph]

Hi,

another point for me is a possibility to contact the tester.
A prior rejection reason for an update of my game "Morzyn" was a missing menu 
button (that was absolutely ok, because it leads to bad usability, so I 
included one), my last rejection reason was battery consumption when minimizing 
while the AI players do their move.
This is intended behaviour, but my game was rejected because it consumes 3%-10% 
CPU while the AI players move (round-based) and the game is minimized (measured 
by top). When the game waits for the players move, I don't see it in "top". I 
love to finish my move, switch to my mail folders or read facebook messages 
while the other 6 AI players make their move.
Another point is that in future I want to include network gaming. Therefore I 
also want it to run in background. The great thing of Sailfish OS is that one 
can simply close an app like in the good old desktop days, if you don't want it 
to consume power.
So now I have no idea how to react on this and just did nothing, because I also 
have desktop and Android versions to take care of. But I'm not happy that the 
few users of Morzyn can't profit from the fixes of the update and have to deal 
with the version in store.

Martin

> Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2014 08:57:50 +0100
> From: a...@mecadu.org
> To: devel@lists.sailfishos.org
> Subject: [SailfishDevel] Harbour QA process...
> 
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> 
> Hi,
> 
> currently, the Harbour QA process is quite frustrating, as problems
> are reported one after the other, with a delay of several days
> inbetween... reminds me of the old time cobol compilators!
> 
> It would be cool if the efforts made by the developper to provide free
> native application were a bit more considered.
> 
> Ok, I'm talking out of frustration, but I had my app rejected first
> because of naming conventions of the app itself (I didn't properly
> read the FAQ, but it is not stated either in the app submission page
> of Harbour), delay of 7 days, then because of rmp file naming
> convention (which I did not find clearly stated except in the
> rejection notification - 5 more days). Now I am waiting for next step
> (2 days for now...)
> 
> I understand this is a lot of work, but what I suggest is :
> - - more controls and more information in the app submission page
> (testing the naming conventions of at least the files seems trivial)
> - - when doing QA, report all problems at once, not just the first one
> - - maybe provide a QA tool so that developpers could do this job and
> let jolla teams concentrate on real QA (power consumption, security
> checks, ...)
> 
> Hope this does not sound too demanding...
> 
> Best regards,
> Franck
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Re: [SailfishDevel] Harbour QA process...

[Andreas Enbacka]

Thanks for the support :)

I will develop QSpot for SailfishOS, timetable however depends on when 
certain libs will be whitelisted / allowed. I could also consider 
publishing an alpha for testing somewhere else. I hope that the QA 
process will be improved and eased, and possible more automation added. 
Having submitted apps to several app stores, e.g., WP Store and Google 
Play, I would stay Google Play is a good example how it should work.


//Andreas

2014/1/10 Andreas Enbacka :

I would like to agree with Franck on this. I have also partly held off
developing for SailfishOS due to e.g., the Harbour process, as well as due
to APIs my apps need to are not allowed.

This seems backwards; if no cool apps exist for SailfishOS that use
certain API's, what's the incentive for Jolla to allow them in
Harbour?

Please please do develop for SailfishOS and *make* Jolla beg and
promise anything to get your superb app submitted to Harbour! ;)

  Kalle




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Re: [SailfishDevel] No inbox? -> SMS

[christopher . lamb]

Hi All

As I have had the flu for the past few days, I have been working from  
home, and thus receiving and sending quiet a few SMSes with work  
colleagues. On the whole I found the SMS app useable, even if it could  
benefit from some tweaking.


I found the "prod to reply" fairly obvious, IMHO no need for a reply  
button there; but I completely missed the "swipe to the left to reply  
by phone call".  Perhaps the moral here is that some of the UX  
interactions are at first not natural, as they are different to other  
platforms - even the N9. I am in 2 minds as to wether such  
interactions will become more natural with time, or if I will remain  
permanently "locked out" of some functionality because I never chance  
on the magic touch that reveals it.


Some things I think do need improvement are:
1) text is readable with glasses on, but not without, or in difficult  
conditions. Pinch to zoom would be ace and natural.
2) When you reply to an SMS, the new SMS is hidden at the very bottom  
of screen, and requires a second prod to show the keyboard. I think it  
would be better if the new SMS opened with the keyboard deployed.
3) No cursors (or at least any that I have found) to move around in  
the text of the SMS to make corrections.
4) Location of the send button is unfortunate. I also find it a bit  
small and subtle - I would prefer a larger more obvious button.


mfg

Chris

Zitat von "Kalle Vahlman" :


2014/1/10 Chris Walker :

On the way home from the meeting, I wanted to send a text to my wife.
If I thought email was difficult, that was a walk in the park compared
to trying to send an SMS. Seriously people, have you tried this thing
in the real world? Where's the Reply button? Jeez. You sure are making
life tough.


This intrigues me. What exactly did you find difficult in sending an SMS?

From what I see on the device, it should be quite obvious how to do
that both through the people app or the messaging app, and
not-so-obvious but guessable (long press) from the call app.

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[SailfishDevel] Out of curiosity: why are you developing for SailfishOS?

[Ruediger Gad]

Hi all,

just out of curiosity, I am asking why are you developing for SailfishOS
and, if yes, what is your motivation to push your apps to Harbour?
I don't want to spam the mailing list with such an off-topic discussion.
Hence, I created a thread at talk.maemo.org for this:
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1405346#post1405346

Excuse the cross post here but I think that this is the best channel to
reach people actually developing for SailfishOS.



BR,

Ruediger




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Re: [SailfishDevel] No inbox? -> SMS

[Kalle Vahlman]

2014/1/10  :
> 2) When you reply to an SMS, the new SMS is hidden at the very bottom of
> screen, and requires a second prod to show the keyboard. I think it would be
> better if the new SMS opened with the keyboard deployed.

That would mean hiding most of the conversation by default though.

> 3) No cursors (or at least any that I have found) to move around in the text
> of the SMS to make corrections.

Just tap on the text to move the cursor. For precision placement, hold
your finger down until it zooms in.

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Re: [SailfishDevel] No inbox? -> SMS

[Markus Svensson]

> Just tap on the text to move the cursor. For precision placement, hold
> your finger down until it zooms in.
> 

This does not work for me. Holding does nothing more than selecting the text. 
No zoom or percussion movement capability. It's the biggest reason I don't use 
my Jolla for email and SMS - correcting mistakes is a huge PITA. :(
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Re: [SailfishDevel] No inbox? -> SMS

[Kalle Vahlman]

2014/1/10 Markus Svensson :
>
>> Just tap on the text to move the cursor. For precision placement, hold
>> your finger down until it zooms in.
>>
>
> This does not work for me. Holding does nothing more than selecting the text.

Oh, hmm. Long-press indeed selects text, but if you tap and pan over
the text it should start the zoom mode.

A bit crowded with gestures, that one...

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Porkkalankatu 20, FI-00180 Helsinki
Tel +358 9 8567 6400
Fax +358 9 8567 6401
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Re: [SailfishDevel] Out of curiosity: why are you developing for SailfishOS?

[Andrey Kozhevnikov]

because linux

On 10.01.2014 16:26, Ruediger Gad wrote:

Hi all,

just out of curiosity, I am asking why are you developing for SailfishOS
and, if yes, what is your motivation to push your apps to Harbour?
I don't want to spam the mailing list with such an off-topic discussion.
Hence, I created a thread at talk.maemo.org for this:
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1405346#post1405346

Excuse the cross post here but I think that this is the best channel to
reach people actually developing for SailfishOS.



BR,

Ruediger






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Re: [SailfishDevel] No inbox? -> SMS

[Markus Svensson]

Ah - tap-and-pan, never tried that particular gesture :)

But it does work - thanks for pointing it out. 

/M

> 10 jan 2014 kl. 11:48 skrev Kalle Vahlman :
> 
> 2014/1/10 Markus Svensson :
>> 
>>> Just tap on the text to move the cursor. For precision placement, hold
>>> your finger down until it zooms in.
>> 
>> This does not work for me. Holding does nothing more than selecting the text.
> 
> Oh, hmm. Long-press indeed selects text, but if you tap and pan over
> the text it should start the zoom mode.
> 
> A bit crowded with gestures, that one...
> 
> -- 
> Kalle Vahlman, Movial Creative Technologies Inc.
> Porkkalankatu 20, FI-00180 Helsinki
> Tel +358 9 8567 6400
> Fax +358 9 8567 6401
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Re: [SailfishDevel] Harbour QA process...

[Benoît HERVIER]

Hi all !

I'm also waiting that using python interpreter as a dependancy are 
accepted in Harbour.
Also some tips suggest that s will be Python 3 ... but SailfishOS still 
have py2.7.


While i'm waiting to submit them to harbour, some of my Apps are already 
running on my device, and some are already available on OpenRepos.net 
which have now a client for Sailfish (beta).


So i suggest you to submit your apps to openrepos.net too. Harbour isn't 
anymore the only store for SailfishOS native apps.


Regards,

---
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Le 2014-01-10 10:28, Andreas Enbacka a écrit :

Thanks for the support :)

I will develop QSpot for SailfishOS, timetable however depends on when
certain libs will be whitelisted / allowed. I could also consider
publishing an alpha for testing somewhere else. I hope that the QA
process will be improved and eased, and possible more automation
added. Having submitted apps to several app stores, e.g., WP Store and
Google Play, I would stay Google Play is a good example how it should
work.

//Andreas

2014/1/10 Andreas Enbacka :
I would like to agree with Franck on this. I have also partly held 
off
developing for SailfishOS due to e.g., the Harbour process, as well 
as due

to APIs my apps need to are not allowed.

This seems backwards; if no cool apps exist for SailfishOS that use
certain API's, what's the incentive for Jolla to allow them in
Harbour?

Please please do develop for SailfishOS and *make* Jolla beg and
promise anything to get your superb app submitted to Harbour! ;)

  Kalle




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Re: [SailfishDevel] Out of curiosity: why are you developing for SailfishOS?

[Markus Svensson]

I do it because I like learning new stuff. My main language day to day language 
is Java, and Sailfish is an interesting platform for keeping up with C++ and QT.

I also like to think that it should be fairly easy to port Sailfish apps to 
Ubuntu Phone as well. As long as the back end and GUI are kept reasonably 
separate. This I see as an added benefit.

> 10 jan 2014 kl. 11:26 skrev Ruediger Gad :
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> just out of curiosity, I am asking why are you developing for SailfishOS
> and, if yes, what is your motivation to push your apps to Harbour?
> I don't want to spam the mailing list with such an off-topic discussion.
> Hence, I created a thread at talk.maemo.org for this:
> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1405346#post1405346
> 
> Excuse the cross post here but I think that this is the best channel to
> reach people actually developing for SailfishOS.
> 
> 
> 
> BR,
> 
> Ruediger
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
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[Franck Routier (perso)]

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I second that, as I'm in the exact same situtation, and have the same
motivations.
I also now own a Jolla, and like the hack my technical stuffs :-)

Franck

Le 10/01/2014 11:55, Markus Svensson a écrit :
> I do it because I like learning new stuff. My main language day to
> day language is Java, and Sailfish is an interesting platform for
> keeping up with C++ and QT.
> 
> I also like to think that it should be fairly easy to port Sailfish
> apps to Ubuntu Phone as well. As long as the back end and GUI are
> kept reasonably separate. This I see as an added benefit.
> 
>> 10 jan 2014 kl. 11:26 skrev Ruediger Gad :
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> just out of curiosity, I am asking why are you developing for
>> SailfishOS and, if yes, what is your motivation to push your apps
>> to Harbour? I don't want to spam the mailing list with such an
>> off-topic discussion. Hence, I created a thread at talk.maemo.org
>> for this: 
>> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1405346#post1405346
>> 
>> Excuse the cross post here but I think that this is the best
>> channel to reach people actually developing for SailfishOS.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> BR,
>> 
>> Ruediger
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -- http://ruedigergad.com 
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Re: [SailfishDevel] Jolla Phone crashes with no mobile network available

[Benoît HERVIER]

I ve see similar things, while entering leaving metro in Paris 
(unreliable network coverage).
Lagging, many 'can't connect' notification, not responding, removing 
battery.


I've currently activated persistent mode in journal (else journal are 
cleaned  at reboot), to be able to see what happen, but i'm not anymore 
in Paris until next week. And this didn't happen since yesterday.


Else this can happen quickly in few minutes.

Also when this happen, sometime there isn't anymore UI for network 
option on mobile network settings page, and sometime the option UI is 
here but disabled.


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Le 2014-01-09 19:19, Jani Kotakoski a écrit :

Dear all,

I have observed something perhaps related after the last update:

My Jolla becomes unresponsive to the point of requiring a reboot almost 
always
when I move from an area with a WLAN connection to cell-only connection 
and
vice versa (eg.  when ever leaving home or entering home). The screen 
comes
alive for a moment or two after pressing the power button before 
halting again,

but the double tap never works.

Cheers,
Jani


On 01/09/2014, christopher.l...@thurweb.ch wrote:

Hi Martin

There is a comment indicating cell-tower as a cause in:

https://together.jolla.com/question/7144/jolla-randomly-shuts-down/


Grüsse

Chris

Zitat von martin.gri...@gmail.com:

>Hi,
>
>those who experience their Jolla crashing out of the blue, can you
>please elaborate, to  see if we're in the same boat?
>
>Did it switch off all of a sudden?
>Because I'm experiencing this repeatedly. I begin to see a pattern
>in my switch offs. Heavy network traffic on forced 2G in the
>western part of Munich (Pasing and Planegg).
>I haven't experience this problem in other areas so far, so I
>assume it could be ofono-related.
>
>Do you see common patterns among your crashes, too?
>
>
>Martin
>
>
>
>Am Thu Jan 09 2014 15:39:30 GMT+0100 (CET) schrieb Oliver Berger:
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>>It was crashing resp. switching off even while taking pictures
>>(like you are one instance before clicking and the
>>screen turns black - mehhh ;)... I had to startup again enter my
>>pin and so on...
>>
>>For me it was not responding with a black screen == OFF == crashed???
>>But the phone was not rebooting - just no response.
>>
>>So indeed it could be also very very slow. But who knows the
>>difference between "very slow" and "off", when normally
>>the phone is responding quite fast?
>>
>>I also noticed in other occasions that sometimes when I press
>>the power button to activate the screen, the screen
>>flickers or shows up a very short time and turns black again
>>(mostly with active camera app) - then I have to press
>>the power button twice to activate the screen.
>>
>>
>>
>>On 09.01.2014 15:06, Andrea Bernabei wrote:
>>>hello :)
>>>
>>>was the phone really crashing (i.e. rebooting), or did you
>>>just mean the network connectivity kept crashing making
>>>the phone very slow and not very usable?
>>>
>>>I'm asking because I experienced the second :)
>>>
>>>
>>>2014/1/9 Oliver Berger >>>
>>>
>>>Hello,
>>>
>>>I am actually at Lanzarote and while visiting the caves there,
>>>I noticed my jolla phone was crashing every time I
>>>was somewhere - impossible to have a mobile network available.
>>>It was so bad that I could hardly take pictures,
>>>since it was crashing all the time...
>>>
>>>On the surface again I had also problems starting the phone,
>>>so I removed the batteries... now all is working
>>>again.
>>>
>>>
>>>I have no idea how to debug this, since there are no log files in /var/log
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [SailfishDevel] Harbour QA process...

[Gabriel Böhme]

What about pushing the WareHouse app to Jolla Store?! So everyone can find
it. :)


Don't know if possible, just an idea.



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Benoît HERVIER schrieb am 10.01.14 11:53:
Hi all !

I'm also waiting that using python interpreter as a dependancy are accepted
in Harbour.
Also some tips suggest that s will be Python 3 ... but SailfishOS still
have py2.7.

While i'm waiting to submit them to harbour, some of my Apps are already
running on my device, and some are already available on OpenRepos.net which
have now a client for Sailfish (beta).

So i suggest you to submit your apps to openrepos.net too. Harbour isn't
anymore the only store for SailfishOS native apps.

Regards,

---
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Le 2014-01-10 10:28, Andreas Enbacka a écrit :

> Thanks for the support :)
>
> I will develop QSpot for SailfishOS, timetable however depends on when
> certain libs will be whitelisted / allowed. I could also consider
> publishing an alpha for testing somewhere else. I hope that the QA
> process will be improved and eased, and possible more automation
> added. Having submitted apps to several app stores, e.g., WP Store and
> Google Play, I would stay Google Play is a good example how it should
> work.
>
> //Andreas
>
>> 2014/1/10 Andreas Enbacka :
>>
>>> I would like to agree with Franck on this. I have also partly held off
>>> developing for SailfishOS due to e.g., the Harbour process, as well as
>>> due
>>> to APIs my apps need to are not allowed.
>>>
>> This seems backwards; if no cool apps exist for SailfishOS that use
>> certain API's, what's the incentive for Jolla to allow them in
>> Harbour?
>>
>> Please please do develop for SailfishOS and *make* Jolla beg and
>> promise anything to get your superb app submitted to Harbour! ;)
>>
>>   Kalle
>>
>>
>
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[Benoît HERVIER]

 

Indeed, we should suggest it to his author. But that s a beta, i didn't
think he want to push it now. 

Regards, 

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Le 2014-01-10 12:06, Gabriel Böhme a écrit : 

> What about pushing the WareHouse app to Jolla Store?! So everyone can find 
> it. :) 
> 
> Don't know if possible, just an idea. 
> 
> -- 
> 
> Von meinem Nokia N9 gesendet 
> 
> Benoît HERVIER schrieb am 10.01.14 11:53: 
> Hi all !
> 
> I'm also waiting that using python interpreter as a dependancy are accepted 
> in Harbour.
> Also some tips suggest that s will be Python 3 ... but SailfishOS still have 
> py2.7.
> 
> While i'm waiting to submit them to harbour, some of my Apps are already 
> running on my device, and some are already available on OpenRepos.net which 
> have now a client for Sailfish (beta).
> 
> So i suggest you to submit your apps to openrepos.net [1] too. Harbour isn't 
> anymore the only store for SailfishOS native apps.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> ---
> Benoît HERVIER - http://khertan.net/ [2]
> 
> Le 2014-01-10 10:28, Andreas Enbacka a écrit :
> Thanks for the support :)
> 
> I will develop QSpot for SailfishOS, timetable however depends on when
> certain libs will be whitelisted / allowed. I could also consider
> publishing an alpha for testing somewhere else. I hope that the QA
> process will be improved and eased, and possible more automation
> added. Having submitted apps to several app stores, e.g., WP Store and
> Google Play, I would stay Google Play is a good example how it should
> work.
> 
> //Andreas
> 2014/1/10 Andreas Enbacka :
> I would like to agree with Franck on this. I have also partly held off
> developing for SailfishOS due to e.g., the Harbour process, as well as due
> to APIs my apps need to are not allowed. This seems backwards; if no cool 
> apps exist for SailfishOS that use
> certain API's, what's the incentive for Jolla to allow them in
> Harbour?
> 
> Please please do develop for SailfishOS and *make* Jolla beg and
> promise anything to get your superb app submitted to Harbour! ;)
> 
> Kalle

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Re: [SailfishDevel] Harbour QA process...

[Andrey Kozhevnikov]

I can assure you that the author is aware of Harbour ;)

On 10.01.2014 17:17, Benoît HERVIER wrote:


Indeed, we should suggest it to his author. But that s a beta, i 
didn't think he want to push it now.


Regards,

---
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Le 2014-01-10 12:06, Gabriel Böhme a écrit :

What about pushing the WareHouse app to Jolla Store?! So everyone can 
find it. :)


Don't know if possible, just an idea.

--

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Benoît HERVIER schrieb am 10.01.14 11:53:

Hi all !

I'm also waiting that using python interpreter as a dependancy are 
accepted in Harbour.
Also some tips suggest that s will be Python 3 ... but SailfishOS 
still have py2.7.


While i'm waiting to submit them to harbour, some of my Apps are 
already running on my device, and some are already available on 
OpenRepos.net which have now a client for Sailfish (beta).


So i suggest you to submit your apps to openrepos.net 
 too. Harbour isn't anymore the only store for 
SailfishOS native apps.


Regards,

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Le 2014-01-10 10:28, Andreas Enbacka a écrit :

Thanks for the support :)

I will develop QSpot for SailfishOS, timetable however depends on
when
certain libs will be whitelisted / allowed. I could also consider
publishing an alpha for testing somewhere else. I hope that the QA
process will be improved and eased, and possible more automation
added. Having submitted apps to several app stores, e.g., WP
Store and
Google Play, I would stay Google Play is a good example how it should
work.

//Andreas

2014/1/10 Andreas Enbacka mailto:aenba...@gmail.com>>:

I would like to agree with Franck on this. I have also
partly held off
developing for SailfishOS due to e.g., the Harbour
process, as well as due
to APIs my apps need to are not allowed.

This seems backwards; if no cool apps exist for SailfishOS
that use
certain API's, what's the incentive for Jolla to allow them in
Harbour?

Please please do develop for SailfishOS and *make* Jolla beg and
promise anything to get your superb app submitted to Harbour! ;)

  Kalle



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Re: [SailfishDevel] Harbour QA process...

[Gabriel Böhme]

Just great to hear. ;-)



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Andrey Kozhevnikov schrieb am 10.01.14 12:23:
I can assure you that the author is aware of Harbour ;)

On 10.01.2014 17:17, Benoît HERVIER wrote:

Indeed, we should suggest it to his author. But that s a beta, i didn't
think he want to push it now.

Regards,

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 Le 2014-01-10 12:06, Gabriel Böhme a écrit :

 What about pushing the WareHouse app to Jolla Store?! So everyone can find
it. :)



Don't know if possible, just an idea.



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 Benoît HERVIER schrieb am 10.01.14 11:53:
 Hi all !

I'm also waiting that using python interpreter as a dependancy are accepted
in Harbour.
Also some tips suggest that s will be Python 3 ... but SailfishOS still
have py2.7.

While i'm waiting to submit them to harbour, some of my Apps are already
running on my device, and some are already available on OpenRepos.net which
have now a client for Sailfish (beta).

So i suggest you to submit your apps to openrepos.net too. Harbour isn't
anymore the only store for SailfishOS native apps.

Regards,

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Le 2014-01-10 10:28, Andreas Enbacka a écrit :

> Thanks for the support :)
>
> I will develop QSpot for SailfishOS, timetable however depends on when
> certain libs will be whitelisted / allowed. I could also consider
> publishing an alpha for testing somewhere else. I hope that the QA
> process will be improved and eased, and possible more automation
> added. Having submitted apps to several app stores, e.g., WP Store and
> Google Play, I would stay Google Play is a good example how it should
> work.
>
> //Andreas
>
>> 2014/1/10 Andreas Enbacka :
>>
>>> I would like to agree with Franck on this. I have also partly held off
>>> developing for SailfishOS due to e.g., the Harbour process, as well as
>>> due
>>> to APIs my apps need to are not allowed.
>>
>> This seems backwards; if no cool apps exist for SailfishOS that use
>> certain API's, what's the incentive for Jolla to allow them in
>> Harbour?
>>
>> Please please do develop for SailfishOS and *make* Jolla beg and
>> promise anything to get your superb app submitted to Harbour! ;)
>>
>>   Kalle
>>
>>
>
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Re: [SailfishDevel] Jolla Phone crashes with no mobile network available

[Graham Cobb]

On 10/01/14 11:01, Benoît HERVIER wrote:
> I ve see similar things, while entering leaving metro in Paris 
> (unreliable network coverage).

I have also seen some similar issues but I have not yet put a SIM card
into my Jolla at all!  I am using WiFi, of course.

> Lagging, many 'can't connect' notification, not responding, 
> removing battery.

I have seen these on occasion, except that I have not had to remove
the battery.  Most of the time, if I wake it up (short press on power
button) it sorts itself out after a while -- it may go blank and need
waking up again several times during this.  One time I just got
continuous "can't connect" messages so I turned the wifi off (flight
mode) and back on and it worked.  Another time I needed to reboot.

Note that I have sometimes seen "can't connect" messages while I am
actually using the network connection!

> I've currently activated persistent mode in journal (else journal 
> are cleaned  at reboot), to be able to see what happen, but i'm
> not anymore in Paris until next week. And this didn't happen since 
> yesterday.

Where is that setting?

Graham
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Re: [SailfishDevel] Harbour QA process...

[Oleksii Serdiuk]

Just a suggestion: add a configurable option "Run when minimized" with a
notice that it will consume device power/CPU if it's enabled. Maybe,
this will satisfy Harbour QA.

On 10/01/14 10:01, Martin Windolph wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> another point for me is a possibility to contact the tester.
> A prior rejection reason for an update of my game "Morzyn" was a missing
> menu button (that was absolutely ok, because it leads to bad usability,
> so I included one), my last rejection reason was battery consumption
> when minimizing while the AI players do their move.
> This is intended behaviour, but my game was rejected because it consumes
> 3%-10% CPU while the AI players move (round-based) and the game is
> minimized (measured by top). When the game waits for the players move, I
> don't see it in "top". I love to finish my move, switch to my mail
> folders or read facebook messages while the other 6 AI players make
> their move.
> Another point is that in future I want to include network gaming.
> Therefore I also want it to run in background. The great thing of
> Sailfish OS is that one can simply close an app like in the good old
> desktop days, if you don't want it to consume power.
> So now I have no idea how to react on this and just did nothing, because
> I also have desktop and Android versions to take care of. But I'm not
> happy that the few users of Morzyn can't profit from the fixes of the
> update and have to deal with the version in store.
> 
> Martin
> 
>> Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2014 08:57:50 +0100
>> From: a...@mecadu.org
>> To: devel@lists.sailfishos.org
>> Subject: [SailfishDevel] Harbour QA process...
>>
> Hi,
> 
> currently, the Harbour QA process is quite frustrating, as problems
> are reported one after the other, with a delay of several days
> inbetween... reminds me of the old time cobol compilators!
> 
> It would be cool if the efforts made by the developper to provide free
> native application were a bit more considered.
> 
> Ok, I'm talking out of frustration, but I had my app rejected first
> because of naming conventions of the app itself (I didn't properly
> read the FAQ, but it is not stated either in the app submission page
> of Harbour), delay of 7 days, then because of rmp file naming
> convention (which I did not find clearly stated except in the
> rejection notification - 5 more days). Now I am waiting for next step
> (2 days for now...)
> 
> I understand this is a lot of work, but what I suggest is :
> - more controls and more information in the app submission page
> (testing the naming conventions of at least the files seems trivial)
> - when doing QA, report all problems at once, not just the first one
> - maybe provide a QA tool so that developpers could do this job and
> let jolla teams concentrate on real QA (power consumption, security
> checks, ...)
> 
> Hope this does not sound too demanding...
> 
> Best regards,
> Franck
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Re: [SailfishDevel] No inbox?

[Chris Walker]

On Fri, 10 Jan 2014 08:07:24 +0200
Kalle Vahlman  wrote:

> 2014/1/10 Chris Walker :
> > On the way home from the meeting, I wanted to send a text to my
> > wife. If I thought email was difficult, that was a walk in the park
> > compared to trying to send an SMS. Seriously people, have you tried
> > this thing in the real world? Where's the Reply button? Jeez. You
> > sure are making life tough.
> 
> This intrigues me. What exactly did you find difficult in sending an
> SMS?

I couldn't see how to reply. But, looking at it again this morning, and
taking onboard something said to me yesterday, I now realise that I was
wrong to criticise that aspect of the phone. In fact, if I think back to
other times, it can be quite advantageous to have the design as it is
now.

Perhaps I should explain those things.

First, the explanation given to me last night. The prospective
purchaser described to me the notion of 'breadcrumbs' i.e. the dots at
the top of the screen indicating more options either side. So looking
at those I could see that there was an option to the right. At first
when I was presented with the contacts page for my wife, I thought the
phone had gone wrong as I expected to be offered a 'reply' button rather
than a straight 'Send SMS' option but that leads me on to part two. In
the past, when somebody has sent me a text I have then wanted to call
them rather than reply by SMS. So the current design has saved me from
having to go to the Contacts/People app to find their details.

> From what I see on the device, it should be quite obvious how to do
> that both through the people app or the messaging app, and
> not-so-obvious but guessable (long press) from the call app.

It's not obvious when you're already annoyed as you tend to overlook
the obvious and I'm afraid I far too readily get annoyed with the phone
at the moment because it isn't like my previous phone. You'll have to
put that down to my intolerance, lack of patience or whatever else you
want to call it. I am learning to use it and as I said above, it can
save me time.

But I can't go without complaining about something ;-)

The distinction between the two types of message - sent and received -
is IMHO too great. I'd like that to be tweaked somehow to make the sent
texts slightly nearer the colour of the received texts.

Also, I'd like the sort to be reversed. Following the logic of the
'running apps' page, the latest app to be used appears at the top left
and if I put something into a box, it appears at the top. So I'd like
the sort to be organised so that the latest text is at the top rather
than at the bottom? Rather than impose my wishes on everybody else as
plainly my views are quite at odds to most people, this ought to be a
config option.

Oh, and in future, perhaps I should consider my replies more carefully
in future before shouting about the design ;-)
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Re: [SailfishDevel] No inbox? -> SMS

[Chris Walker]

On Fri, 10 Jan 2014 11:51:27 +0100
Markus Svensson  wrote:

> Ah - tap-and-pan, never tried that particular gesture :)
> 
> But it does work - thanks for pointing it out. 

A definite +1 for that. I looked at an iPhone recently and to be able
to zoom in and rock a finger to move between letters was something I
thought would be good here but this is just as good. Well done Jolla.

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Re: [SailfishDevel] No inbox? -> SMS

[David Greaves]

On 10/01/14 12:52, Chris Walker wrote:
> On Fri, 10 Jan 2014 11:51:27 +0100
> Markus Svensson  wrote:
> 
>> Ah - tap-and-pan, never tried that particular gesture :)
>>
>> But it does work - thanks for pointing it out. 
> 
> A definite +1 for that. I looked at an iPhone recently and to be able
> to zoom in and rock a finger to move between letters was something I
> thought would be good here but this is just as good. Well done Jolla.

I think technically it's not "tap and pan" but "drag the cursor"

The initial tap certainly ensures the cursor and your finger are in the same
place so it's a nice trick :)

I'll get the user guide updated to include it too.

David


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Re: [SailfishDevel] Harbour QA process...

[Reto Zingg]

Hi,

On 10.01.2014 11:01, Martin Windolph wrote:

Hi,

another point for me is a possibility to contact the tester.
A prior rejection reason for an update of my game "Morzyn" was a missing
menu button (that was absolutely ok, because it leads to bad usability,
so I included one), my last rejection reason was battery consumption
when minimizing while the AI players do their move.
This is intended behaviour, but my game was rejected because it consumes
3%-10% CPU while the AI players move (round-based) and the game is
minimized (measured by top). When the game waits for the players move, I


According to my information the app got not rejected because of AI still 
running, but because the audio blocks the power management to go to 
suspend mode.


And since there is no sound audible it might be that sound output is 
done in a not supported way. (But don't ask me how to do it correctly 
:-) But I'm sure here are other Sailors which can help you with that in 
your particular case).


see also about how we test:
https://lists.sailfishos.org/pipermail/devel/2014-January/002440.html

br
Reto


don't see it in "top". I love to finish my move, switch to my mail
folders or read facebook messages while the other 6 AI players make
their move.
Another point is that in future I want to include network gaming.
Therefore I also want it to run in background. The great thing of
Sailfish OS is that one can simply close an app like in the good old
desktop days, if you don't want it to consume power.
So now I have no idea how to react on this and just did nothing, because
I also have desktop and Android versions to take care of. But I'm not
happy that the few users of Morzyn can't profit from the fixes of the
update and have to deal with the version in store.

Martin

 > Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2014 08:57:50 +0100
 > From: a...@mecadu.org
 > To: devel@lists.sailfishos.org
 > Subject: [SailfishDevel] Harbour QA process...
 >
 > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
 > Hash: SHA1
 >
 > Hi,
 >
 > currently, the Harbour QA process is quite frustrating, as problems
 > are reported one after the other, with a delay of several days
 > inbetween... reminds me of the old time cobol compilators!
 >
 > It would be cool if the efforts made by the developper to provide free
 > native application were a bit more considered.
 >
 > Ok, I'm talking out of frustration, but I had my app rejected first
 > because of naming conventions of the app itself (I didn't properly
 > read the FAQ, but it is not stated either in the app submission page
 > of Harbour), delay of 7 days, then because of rmp file naming
 > convention (which I did not find clearly stated except in the
 > rejection notification - 5 more days). Now I am waiting for next step
 > (2 days for now...)
 >
 > I understand this is a lot of work, but what I suggest is :
 > - - more controls and more information in the app submission page
 > (testing the naming conventions of at least the files seems trivial)
 > - - when doing QA, report all problems at once, not just the first one
 > - - maybe provide a QA tool so that developpers could do this job and
 > let jolla teams concentrate on real QA (power consumption, security
 > checks, ...)
 >
 > Hope this does not sound too demanding...
 >
 > Best regards,
 > Franck
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Re: [SailfishDevel] Harbour QA process...

[Martin Windolph]

Hi,

oh, thanks for the information and sorry then for hijacking this thread. 
I thought that it was just an assumption that Audio was the reason.

How can I find out if it's audio that is preventing suspend mode (emulator or 
device)?

So Audio output seems to be really a problem in Sailfish OS. I'm using the QML 
"Audio" Element of QtMultimedia. Isn't it supported? I use Audio just for a few 
things:
1. Play title music
2. Play attack sounds of the creatures

I temporary disabled 1. because of a known volume bug 
(https://together.jolla.com/question/421/qaudiooutput-isnt-integrated-with-system-volume-and-libresource-like-qmediaplayer/)
 by setting the source to null.
2. is still enabled (because I don't change their volume), but I do play sounds 
only if the application is active and I don't hear anything if I run it on my 
device.

Maybe setting the source of 1. to null is the reason? But in my opinion, 
playing a null source should just result in a returning play() method...

the source of the audio element:
https://github.com/yoktobit/morzyn/blob/master/qml/MorzynPage.qml

Thanks
Martin

> Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2014 15:29:31 +0200
> From: reto.zi...@jolla.com
> To: devel@lists.sailfishos.org
> Subject: Re: [SailfishDevel] Harbour QA process...
> 
> Hi,
> 
> On 10.01.2014 11:01, Martin Windolph wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > another point for me is a possibility to contact the tester.
> > A prior rejection reason for an update of my game "Morzyn" was a missing
> > menu button (that was absolutely ok, because it leads to bad usability,
> > so I included one), my last rejection reason was battery consumption
> > when minimizing while the AI players do their move.
> > This is intended behaviour, but my game was rejected because it consumes
> > 3%-10% CPU while the AI players move (round-based) and the game is
> > minimized (measured by top). When the game waits for the players move, I
> 
> According to my information the app got not rejected because of AI still 
> running, but because the audio blocks the power management to go to 
> suspend mode.
> 
> And since there is no sound audible it might be that sound output is 
> done in a not supported way. (But don't ask me how to do it correctly 
> :-) But I'm sure here are other Sailors which can help you with that in 
> your particular case).
> 
> see also about how we test:
> https://lists.sailfishos.org/pipermail/devel/2014-January/002440.html
> 
> br
> Reto
> 
> > don't see it in "top". I love to finish my move, switch to my mail
> > folders or read facebook messages while the other 6 AI players make
> > their move.
> > Another point is that in future I want to include network gaming.
> > Therefore I also want it to run in background. The great thing of
> > Sailfish OS is that one can simply close an app like in the good old
> > desktop days, if you don't want it to consume power.
> > So now I have no idea how to react on this and just did nothing, because
> > I also have desktop and Android versions to take care of. But I'm not
> > happy that the few users of Morzyn can't profit from the fixes of the
> > update and have to deal with the version in store.
> >
> > Martin
> >
> >  > Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2014 08:57:50 +0100
> >  > From: a...@mecadu.org
> >  > To: devel@lists.sailfishos.org
> >  > Subject: [SailfishDevel] Harbour QA process...
> >  >
> >  > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> >  > Hash: SHA1
> >  >
> >  > Hi,
> >  >
> >  > currently, the Harbour QA process is quite frustrating, as problems
> >  > are reported one after the other, with a delay of several days
> >  > inbetween... reminds me of the old time cobol compilators!
> >  >
> >  > It would be cool if the efforts made by the developper to provide free
> >  > native application were a bit more considered.
> >  >
> >  > Ok, I'm talking out of frustration, but I had my app rejected first
> >  > because of naming conventions of the app itself (I didn't properly
> >  > read the FAQ, but it is not stated either in the app submission page
> >  > of Harbour), delay of 7 days, then because of rmp file naming
> >  > convention (which I did not find clearly stated except in the
> >  > rejection notification - 5 more days). Now I am waiting for next step
> >  > (2 days for now...)
> >  >
> >  > I understand this is a lot of work, but what I suggest is :
> >  > - - more controls and more information in the app submission page
> >  > (testing the naming conventions of at least the files seems trivial)
> >  > - - when doing QA, report all problems at once, not just the first one
> >  > - - maybe provide a QA tool so that developpers could do this job and
> >  > let jolla teams concentrate on real QA (power consumption, security
> >  > checks, ...)
> >  >
> >  > Hope this does not sound too demanding...
> >  >
> >  > Best regards,
> >  > Franck
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> >  >
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[SailfishDevel] Unable to send mail

[Simon Brown]

Hi,

As another data point for the other thread, I am unable to send mail
through Fastmail's proxy server. Receiving mail is fine.

The server is smtps-proxy.messagingengine.com and it listens on all
ports. I've tried both SSL and TLS.

Simon

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Re: [SailfishDevel] Harbour QA process...

[Reto Zingg]

Hi,

On 10.01.2014 15:56, Martin Windolph wrote:

Hi,

oh, thanks for the information and sorry then for hijacking this thread.
I thought that it was just an assumption that Audio was the reason.

How can I find out if it's audio that is preventing suspend mode
(emulator or device)?

So Audio output seems to be really a problem in Sailfish OS. I'm using
the QML "Audio" Element of QtMultimedia. Isn't it supported? I use Audio


as Robin wrote in 
https://together.jolla.com/question/421/qaudiooutput-isnt-integrated-with-system-volume-and-libresource-like-qmediaplayer/#post-id-6991 
this combination is an issue at the moment.


But David found a workaround for that at least for his application, 
which passed store QA.


checkout his main.qml from:

https://build.merproject.org/package/files?package=screenshot&project=home%3Albt%3Asailfishos

he does something like:

ffmpeg -ar 48000 -t 0.1 -f s16le -acodec pcm_s16le -ac 2 -i /dev/zero 
-acodec copy noSound.wav


ApplicationWindow {
...
Audio {
id: noSound
source: "/usr/share/harbour-screenshot/noSound.wav"
}
// workaround a bug in QtMultimedia
Component.onCompleted: noSound.play()
}
}

br
Reto


just for a few things:
1. Play title music
2. Play attack sounds of the creatures

I temporary disabled 1. because of a known volume bug
(https://together.jolla.com/question/421/qaudiooutput-isnt-integrated-with-system-volume-and-libresource-like-qmediaplayer/)
by setting the source to null.
2. is still enabled (because I don't change their volume), but I do play
sounds only if the application is active and I don't hear anything if I
run it on my device.

Maybe setting the source of 1. to null is the reason? But in my opinion,
playing a null source should just result in a returning play() method...

the source of the audio element:
https://github.com/yoktobit/morzyn/blob/master/qml/MorzynPage.qml

Thanks
Martin

 > Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2014 15:29:31 +0200
 > From: reto.zi...@jolla.com
 > To: devel@lists.sailfishos.org
 > Subject: Re: [SailfishDevel] Harbour QA process...
 >
 > Hi,
 >
 > On 10.01.2014 11:01, Martin Windolph wrote:
 > > Hi,
 > >
 > > another point for me is a possibility to contact the tester.
 > > A prior rejection reason for an update of my game "Morzyn" was a
missing
 > > menu button (that was absolutely ok, because it leads to bad usability,
 > > so I included one), my last rejection reason was battery consumption
 > > when minimizing while the AI players do their move.
 > > This is intended behaviour, but my game was rejected because it
consumes
 > > 3%-10% CPU while the AI players move (round-based) and the game is
 > > minimized (measured by top). When the game waits for the players
move, I
 >
 > According to my information the app got not rejected because of AI still
 > running, but because the audio blocks the power management to go to
 > suspend mode.
 >
 > And since there is no sound audible it might be that sound output is
 > done in a not supported way. (But don't ask me how to do it correctly
 > :-) But I'm sure here are other Sailors which can help you with that in
 > your particular case).
 >
 > see also about how we test:
 > https://lists.sailfishos.org/pipermail/devel/2014-January/002440.html
 >
 > br
 > Reto
 >
 > > don't see it in "top". I love to finish my move, switch to my mail
 > > folders or read facebook messages while the other 6 AI players make
 > > their move.
 > > Another point is that in future I want to include network gaming.
 > > Therefore I also want it to run in background. The great thing of
 > > Sailfish OS is that one can simply close an app like in the good old
 > > desktop days, if you don't want it to consume power.
 > > So now I have no idea how to react on this and just did nothing,
because
 > > I also have desktop and Android versions to take care of. But I'm not
 > > happy that the few users of Morzyn can't profit from the fixes of the
 > > update and have to deal with the version in store.
 > >
 > > Martin
 > >
 > > > Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2014 08:57:50 +0100
 > > > From: a...@mecadu.org
 > > > To: devel@lists.sailfishos.org
 > > > Subject: [SailfishDevel] Harbour QA process...
 > > >
 > > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
 > > > Hash: SHA1
 > > >
 > > > Hi,
 > > >
 > > > currently, the Harbour QA process is quite frustrating, as problems
 > > > are reported one after the other, with a delay of several days
 > > > inbetween... reminds me of the old time cobol compilators!
 > > >
 > > > It would be cool if the efforts made by the developper to provide
free
 > > > native application were a bit more considered.
 > > >
 > > > Ok, I'm talking out of frustration, but I had my app rejected first
 > > > because of naming conventions of the app itself (I didn't properly
 > > > read the FAQ, but it is not stated either in the app submission page
 > > > of Harbour), delay of 7 days, then because of rmp file naming
 > > > convention (which I did not find clearly 

Re: [SailfishDevel] Harbour: Allow more libraries to link against

[Thomas Tanghus]

On Thursday 02 January 2014 11:43 Reto Zingg wrote:
> If not then we reject it. Most likely you have still some timer running? 
> Stop them when your app is not active.

What if your app is a timer app?

I disable animation if !applicationActive except updating a label on the 
cover.

-- 
Med venlig hilsen / Best Regards

Thomas Tanghus
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[SailfishDevel] mersdk and kernel-devel

[Kimmo Lindholm]

ahoy,

How can i install kernel-devel to mersdk for compiling modules for 
SailfishOs-armv7hl ?
Can't find module.h

-kimmo
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Re: [SailfishDevel] Harbour: Allow more libraries to link against

[Reto Zingg]

Hi,

On 10.01.2014 16:11, Thomas Tanghus wrote:

On Thursday 02 January 2014 11:43 Reto Zingg wrote:

If not then we reject it. Most likely you have still some timer running?
Stop them when your app is not active.


What if your app is a timer app?

I disable animation if !applicationActive except updating a label on the
cover.



As said earlier "if there is a good reason (e.g. Internet Radio app) 
to still accept it".


I think this we probably would allow.
But then again, we decide case by case.

br
Reto
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Re: [SailfishDevel] mersdk and kernel-devel

[Andrey Kozhevnikov]

btw, what profit on sourcecode request? why not to publish it initially 
for everyone? why every developer should request sources?


On 10.01.2014 21:34, Jonni Rainisto wrote:

I think that someone did source code request and posted the kernel online:
http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1395881&postcount=8

And if you don't trust random internet urls there is source code 
request information in devices about screen.


re, Jonni

*From:* devel-boun...@lists.sailfishos.org 
[devel-boun...@lists.sailfishos.org] on behalf of Kimmo Lindholm 
[kimmo.lindh...@eke.fi]

*Sent:* Friday, January 10, 2014 4:58 PM
*To:* devel@lists.sailfishos.org
*Subject:* [SailfishDevel] mersdk and kernel-devel

ahoy,

How can i install kernel-devel to mersdk for compiling modules for 
SailfishOs-armv7hl ?


Can't find module.h

-kimmo



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Re: [SailfishDevel] No inbox? -> SMS

[christopher . lamb]

Kalle

Thanks, That does actually work for me, but it is a bit fiddly - or  
crowded as you put it.


A prod generally selects a block of text, the ends of the selection  
can then be individually moved to meet and make a cursor, which can  
then be moved to the required location.


So this does work, but it takes time.

I guess I am going to have to get yes to randomly prod things to see  
what happens ...


Chris

Zitat von "Kalle Vahlman" :


2014/1/10 Markus Svensson :



Just tap on the text to move the cursor. For precision placement, hold
your finger down until it zooms in.



This does not work for me. Holding does nothing more than selecting  
the text.


Oh, hmm. Long-press indeed selects text, but if you tap and pan over
the text it should start the zoom mode.

A bit crowded with gestures, that one...

--
Kalle Vahlman, Movial Creative Technologies Inc.
Porkkalankatu 20, FI-00180 Helsinki
Tel +358 9 8567 6400
Fax +358 9 8567 6401
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Re: [SailfishDevel] mersdk and kernel-devel

[Jonni Rainisto]

I think that someone did source code request and posted the kernel online:
http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1395881&postcount=8

And if you don't trust random internet urls there is source code request 
information in devices about screen.

re, Jonni

From: devel-boun...@lists.sailfishos.org [devel-boun...@lists.sailfishos.org] 
on behalf of Kimmo Lindholm [kimmo.lindh...@eke.fi]
Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 4:58 PM
To: devel@lists.sailfishos.org
Subject: [SailfishDevel] mersdk and kernel-devel

ahoy,

How can i install kernel-devel to mersdk for compiling modules for 
SailfishOs-armv7hl ?
Can’t find module.h

-kimmo
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Re: [SailfishDevel] Out of curiosity: why are you developing for SailfishOS?

[christopher . lamb]

Because I had an N9

and started developing Apps for that

and "got into" Qt

and realised that Qt enabled multiplatform development (Harmatan,  
Sailfish, BB10, Android, Ubuntu et al)


and because it allowed me to hone my unix skills

. . . and because it is not an iphone!

Grüsse

Chris


Zitat von "Ruediger Gad" :


Hi all,

just out of curiosity, I am asking why are you developing for SailfishOS
and, if yes, what is your motivation to push your apps to Harbour?
I don't want to spam the mailing list with such an off-topic discussion.
Hence, I created a thread at talk.maemo.org for this:
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1405346#post1405346

Excuse the cross post here but I think that this is the best channel to
reach people actually developing for SailfishOS.



BR,

Ruediger




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Re: [SailfishDevel] No inbox? -> SMS

[christopher . lamb]

Hi David

Please update the user guide!

I suspect there is lots of other hidden functionality that many of us  
have yet to uncover because we have not discovered / tried the magic  
move to find it.


And the more of these things are covered in the guide, the higher the  
chance that we will try the same moves elsewhere to see what happens  
there too.


Chris

Yes

Zitat von "David Greaves" :


On 10/01/14 12:52, Chris Walker wrote:

On Fri, 10 Jan 2014 11:51:27 +0100
Markus Svensson  wrote:


Ah - tap-and-pan, never tried that particular gesture :)

But it does work - thanks for pointing it out.


A definite +1 for that. I looked at an iPhone recently and to be able
to zoom in and rock a finger to move between letters was something I
thought would be good here but this is just as good. Well done Jolla.


I think technically it's not "tap and pan" but "drag the cursor"

The initial tap certainly ensures the cursor and your finger are in the same
place so it's a nice trick :)

I'll get the user guide updated to include it too.

David


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[SailfishDevel] x-maemo-urischeme problems

[Andreas Storbjörk]

Hi,

I've been trying to register a uri scheme handler, something like 
"myapp://x", so that when Sailfish browser tries to open such an 
url, it would open my app and pass the url as argument. But so far I've 
had very little success.. it seems to work if I use the "lca-tool" 
command to verify it but nothing happens in Sailfish browser when 
visiting such an url. It just tells me "myapp is not a registered 
protocol". I can find my handler in 
/usr/share/applications/mimeinfo.cache and it looks ok.


Is there something besides editing the .desktop file and running 
"update-desktop-database" that I still need todo to make it work?


// Andreas
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[SailfishDevel] On device development

[ge592]

Hi 

I am trying to compile an existing Qt program on a Jolla device. 

However some qt5 devel packages cannot be installed because of the missing 
depency libEGL-devel 

$ pkcon install qt5-qtgui-devel
Installing[=] 
Waiting in queue  [=] 
Starting  [=] 
Refreshing software list  [=] 
Querying  [=] 
Resolving dependencies[=] 
Fatal error: qt5-qtgui-devel-5.1.0+git28-1.10.2.armv7hl requires 
qt5-qtopengl-devel, but this requirement cannot be provided

$ pkcon install qt5-qtopengl-devel
Installing[=] 
Waiting in queue  [=] 
Starting  [=] 
Refreshing software list  [=] 
Querying  [=] 
Resolving dependencies[=] 
Fatal error: qt5-qtopengl-devel-5.1.0+git28-1.10.2.armv7hl requires 
libEGL-devel, but this requirement cannot be provided

$ pkcon install qt5-qtwayland-wayland_egl-devel
Installing[=] 
Waiting in queue  [=] 
Starting  [=] 
Refreshing software list  [=] 
Querying  [=] 
Resolving dependencies[=] 
Fatal error: qt5-qtwayland-wayland_egl-devel-5.1.0+git27-1.10.3.armv7hl 
requires pkgconfig(Qt5Gui), but this requirement cannot be provided

I also do not know what *requires pkconfig(Qt5Gui)* means.

Kind regards,

Jan
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Re: [SailfishDevel] AAC support

[Simo Salo]

Hi
 I share Damiems experience. I syncronized some tracks in aac format into
Jolla. Media-APP showed them zero-lenght.
 Changed them to MP3 and it worked fine.
Regards Simo


2014/1/9 Jens Persson 

> I've been testing lots of audio formats in Sailfish (aac, dts, flac, mp3,
> opus, alac, ac3, vorbis) and haven't noticed any issues so far. But that
> somafm stream didn't work so I tested it on my desktop too where I keep an
> old installation of gst-0.10 around and it bloody worked. It seems that
> faad2 is a better fit for somafm so I added it to the gst-plugins-bad-extra
> package on Openrepos.
> https://openrepos.net/content/sailfishlib/gst-plugins-bad-extra
>
> So now somafm works in Sailfish too and hopefully that codec doesn't screw
> up something else. :)
>
> Greets Jens
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 12:46 AM, Damien Tardy-Panis <
> damientardypa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I've been testing a bit different music file/stream formats on the phone
>> Everything seems fine for flac/ogg/mp3, however I got some problems with
>> AAC format
>>
>> I've tried several AAC/AAC-HE samples:
>> - some found on the Internet
>> - some converted from my collection
>> - some streaming links
>>
>> And some files are played correctly, some not...
>> It seems like no .aac file can be played and only some .m4a (with AAC)
>> can (but still not all)
>>
>> Launching a AAC stream with gstreamer from command line like
>> gst-launch-0.10 -v playbin2 uri=http://sfstream1.somafm.com:3000
>> is telling me among other things
>> Missing element: MPEG Audio decoder
>>
>> Can someone tell me what is going on?
>> And what to do if possible (any extra plugin/package to install?...)
>>
>> Thanks a lot
>>
>> Damien
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Re: [SailfishDevel] mersdk and kernel-devel

[Kimmo Lindholm]

It took couple of hours to figure everything out but finally it looks 
promising...

[SB2 sdk-build SailfishOS-armv7hl] I have no name!@SailfishSDK 62 $ modinfo 
hello.ko
filename:   /home/mersdk/testit/62/hello.ko
depends:
vermagic:   3.4.0-perf-g8401fcf SMP preempt mod_unload modversions ARMv7

-kimmo

From: devel-boun...@lists.sailfishos.org 
[mailto:devel-boun...@lists.sailfishos.org] On Behalf Of Jonni Rainisto
Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 5:34 PM
To: Sailfish OS Developers
Subject: Re: [SailfishDevel] mersdk and kernel-devel

I think that someone did source code request and posted the kernel online:
http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1395881&postcount=8

And if you don't trust random internet urls there is source code request 
information in devices about screen.

re, Jonni

From: devel-boun...@lists.sailfishos.org [devel-boun...@lists.sailfishos.org] 
on behalf of Kimmo Lindholm [kimmo.lindh...@eke.fi]
Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 4:58 PM
To: devel@lists.sailfishos.org
Subject: [SailfishDevel] mersdk and kernel-devel
ahoy,

How can i install kernel-devel to mersdk for compiling modules for 
SailfishOs-armv7hl ?
Can't find module.h

-kimmo
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Re: [SailfishDevel] Harbour QA process...

[Martin Windolph]

Hi,


I tried out Davids QtMultimedia workaround, but that doesn't help while I have 
found other issues with sound after digging a bit deeper, not only the volume 
problem with the Audio element. 
Btw. if I just remove the fading effect behaviour from my title music, the 
system volume isn't changed as the volume of all the Audio elements is never 
changed then and they also use the correct systems volume. 



But I decided to remove all audio in Morzyn for Sailfish this weekend until 
there is a QtMultimedia fix.


I've found the following additional issues (maybe they are all related, but I 
want to summarize the symptoms here):


1. Using the Audio element with mp3-Sounds, every time I play a sound when a 
creature attacks, the game lags a few frames, (doesn't happen on desktop and 
weaker Androids)
2. short sounds <12kb don't play at all, maybe because of:
3. I get a few warnings like this on app start:
[W] QGstreamerPlayerSession::pause:828 - GStreamer; Unable to pause - 
"file:///usr/share/harbour-morzyn/qml/sounds/meleemiss01.mp3"


I converted them to wav and the gstreamer warnings disappeared and I heard the 
sounds, but the lags were still there.


So now with my wav files I tried the "SoundEffect"-Element, which solved the 
lags...great!, but:


4. all SoundEffects run with 100% volume, no matter what system volume is set 
to (this works for “Audio” elements if you don’t change their own volume).


I hope this helps a bit to fix QtMultimedia.


br and have a nice weekend
Martin






Von: Reto Zingg
Gesendet: ‎Freitag‎, ‎10‎. ‎Januar‎ ‎2014 ‎15‎:‎06
An: Sailfish OS Developers





Hi,

On 10.01.2014 15:56, Martin Windolph wrote:
> Hi,
>
> oh, thanks for the information and sorry then for hijacking this thread.
> I thought that it was just an assumption that Audio was the reason.
>
> How can I find out if it's audio that is preventing suspend mode
> (emulator or device)?
>
> So Audio output seems to be really a problem in Sailfish OS. I'm using
> the QML "Audio" Element of QtMultimedia. Isn't it supported? I use Audio

as Robin wrote in 
https://together.jolla.com/question/421/qaudiooutput-isnt-integrated-with-system-volume-and-libresource-like-qmediaplayer/#post-id-6991
 
this combination is an issue at the moment.

But David found a workaround for that at least for his application, 
which passed store QA.

checkout his main.qml from:

https://build.merproject.org/package/files?package=screenshot&project=home%3Albt%3Asailfishos

he does something like:

ffmpeg -ar 48000 -t 0.1 -f s16le -acodec pcm_s16le -ac 2 -i /dev/zero 
-acodec copy noSound.wav

ApplicationWindow {
...
 Audio {
 id: noSound
 source: "/usr/share/harbour-screenshot/noSound.wav"
 }
 // workaround a bug in QtMultimedia
 Component.onCompleted: noSound.play()
 }
}

br
Reto

> just for a few things:
> 1. Play title music
> 2. Play attack sounds of the creatures
>
> I temporary disabled 1. because of a known volume bug
> (https://together.jolla.com/question/421/qaudiooutput-isnt-integrated-with-system-volume-and-libresource-like-qmediaplayer/)
> by setting the source to null.
> 2. is still enabled (because I don't change their volume), but I do play
> sounds only if the application is active and I don't hear anything if I
> run it on my device.
>
> Maybe setting the source of 1. to null is the reason? But in my opinion,
> playing a null source should just result in a returning play() method...
>
> the source of the audio element:
> https://github.com/yoktobit/morzyn/blob/master/qml/MorzynPage.qml
>
> Thanks
> Martin
>
>  > Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2014 15:29:31 +0200
>  > From: reto.zi...@jolla.com
>  > To: devel@lists.sailfishos.org
>  > Subject: Re: [SailfishDevel] Harbour QA process...
>  >
>  > Hi,
>  >
>  > On 10.01.2014 11:01, Martin Windolph wrote:
>  > > Hi,
>  > >
>  > > another point for me is a possibility to contact the tester.
>  > > A prior rejection reason for an update of my game "Morzyn" was a
> missing
>  > > menu button (that was absolutely ok, because it leads to bad usability,
>  > > so I included one), my last rejection reason was battery consumption
>  > > when minimizing while the AI players do their move.
>  > > This is intended behaviour, but my game was rejected because it
> consumes
>  > > 3%-10% CPU while the AI players move (round-based) and the game is
>  > > minimized (measured by top). When the game waits for the players
> move, I
>  >
>  > According to my information the app got not rejected because of AI still
>  > running, but because the audio blocks the power management to go to
>  > suspend mode.
>  >
>  > And since there is no sound audible it might be that sound output is
>  > done in a not supported way. (But don't ask me how to do it correctly
>  > :-) But I'm sure here are other Sailors which can help you with that in
>  > your particular case).
>  >
>  > see also about how we test:
>  > https://lists.sailfishos.org/pipermail/devel/2014-

Re: [SailfishDevel] Out of curiosity: why are you developing for SailfishOS?

[Martin Kolman]

Because it's there. ;-)

10.1.2014 11:26, Ruediger Gad:

Hi all,

just out of curiosity, I am asking why are you developing for SailfishOS
and, if yes, what is your motivation to push your apps to Harbour?
I don't want to spam the mailing list with such an off-topic discussion.
Hence, I created a thread at talk.maemo.org for this:
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1405346#post1405346

Excuse the cross post here but I think that this is the best channel to
reach people actually developing for SailfishOS.



BR,

Ruediger






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