Re: [SailfishDevel] Sip on Jola Phone / "Community Meetings"

2015-11-15 Thread Thomas B . Rücker 
On 11/14/2015 06:11 PM, E.S. Rosenberg wrote:
> Sounds like something to metion at a community meeting after all Jolla
> wants to profile itself as more privacy aware

Feel free to do so. I've long given up on the farce that are
"community meetings".
Just so I don't get accused of baseless negativity, again, some points:
 - No follow up on action points from previous meetings
 - No accountability for not implementing actions
 - Jolla (almost) never acts proactively regarding the agenda. Even
   rather obvious topics need to be put up AND presented by community.
 - Often such topics are then followed by grave silence, as Jolla
   does not seem prepared and nobody with authority to answer is there.
 - Instead of scheduling once properly, very important topics
   get delayed, rescheduled, canceled, rescheduled again.
 - Don't happen at all for over a quarter due to "summer vacations"

Or read the Minutes or full transcripts yourself:
https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Sailfish/CommunityMeetings

Oh and it's not like this topic didn't make it to IRC, community meetings
and the official roadmap before.
4.d (ff)
http://merproject.org/meetings/mer-meeting/2014/mer-meeting.2014-09-23-10.00.html
2.
http://merproject.org/meetings/mer-meeting/2015/mer-meeting.2015-01-07-15.01.html

So yeah, if anyone is interested, feel free to step in as
Don Quixote de La Mancha and put it on the agenda. I most certainly CBA.

>
> 2015-11-14 19:21 GMT+02:00 Vladislav Vorobiev  >:
>
> Hi,
>
> On Thursday 12 November 2015 17:25:19 Thomas B. Rücker wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > On 11/09/2015 06:03 PM, Vladislav Vorobiev wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > I setup my phone like this
> > >
> https://together.jolla.com/question/415/sip-voip-native-integration/
> and
> > > it seems to work. The Phone is ringing (display stay black)
> but I can
> > > answer if i activate the screen with the button.
> >
> > Sounds about right.
> >
> > > The microphone from jolla phone works and caller hears me but
> I can't hear
> > > the caller.
> >
> > If the situation is still the same as before, apply the ALSA
> trick and
> > try holding the phone upside down.
>
> You mean this?
>
> [stream]
> exe = voicecall-manager
> group = call
>
> or something else?
>
> > > So it's not usable
> >
> > Correct, but that should not have been a surprise to you. After
> all you
> > read the TJC item on this topic.
> >
> > > For me is the stable sip feature (even without gui) decisive.
> >
> > Then I strongly suggest using a different device than a Jolla phone.
> >
> > > I have no firewall or something like what can block SIP,
> CSipSimple works
> > > on that device but there are other problems.
> >
> > That's an Android application, different can of worms and
> brokenness.
> >
> >
> > SIP was on Jolla's roadmap, but was never delivered. I expect it got
> > dropped, but nobody bothered to update their public roadmap. It
> is not a
> > feature that would generate value for Jolla in the form of
> operator or
> > manufacturer deals, so I don't expect them to bother.
>
> Seems the strategy is like by android and apple.
> I thought jola orients itself something else and supports independent
> services. We have already very good devices from Apple, Android
> and nobody
> need an half ready device with the same only profit strategy.
>
> I bought this device to check the current situation and what i see
> i  wonder:
>
> Jola supports Facebook, Twitter, Google accounts but it don't support
> SIP, GPG (Mail or XMPP,  what I is rely necessary to be different and
> independent).
>
> All what I need are basic things like: SIP, PGP, Calendar, Todos and
> possibility to sync my data with own servers and that's not
> given.  If i need
> facebook  or Twitter I'm going buy android or apple devices.
>
> > If you need SIP
> > urgently, as you say, get a different device, as there is no
> promise and
> > no outlook on a change in situation.
>
> I' have other phone and SIP is on PC. This discussion is more ge
>
> > Please note that I don't think talking about platform features
> and user
> > problems is on topic here. So let's EOD. If there's any change
> you'll
> > see it in the TJC item.
>
> I tried here because i hoped to get some updates in this case.
>
> Regards
> Vladislav
>
> > Thomas
>

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Thomas

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Re: [SailfishDevel] Sip on Jola Phone

2015-11-14 Thread Vladislav Vorobiev 
Hi,

On Thursday 12 November 2015 17:25:19 Thomas B. Rücker wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> On 11/09/2015 06:03 PM, Vladislav Vorobiev wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > I setup my phone like this
> > https://together.jolla.com/question/415/sip-voip-native-integration/ and
> > it seems to work. The Phone is ringing (display stay black) but I can
> > answer if i activate the screen with the button.
> 
> Sounds about right.
> 
> > The microphone from jolla phone works and caller hears me but I can't hear
> > the caller.
> 
> If the situation is still the same as before, apply the ALSA trick and
> try holding the phone upside down.

You mean this?

[stream]
exe = voicecall-manager
group = call

or something else?

> > So it's not usable
> 
> Correct, but that should not have been a surprise to you. After all you
> read the TJC item on this topic.
> 
> > For me is the stable sip feature (even without gui) decisive.
> 
> Then I strongly suggest using a different device than a Jolla phone.
> 
> > I have no firewall or something like what can block SIP, CSipSimple works
> > on that device but there are other problems.
> 
> That's an Android application, different can of worms and brokenness.
> 
> 
> SIP was on Jolla's roadmap, but was never delivered. I expect it got
> dropped, but nobody bothered to update their public roadmap. It is not a
> feature that would generate value for Jolla in the form of operator or
> manufacturer deals, so I don't expect them to bother. 

Seems the strategy is like by android and apple. 
I thought jola orients itself something else and supports independent 
services. We have already very good devices from Apple, Android and nobody 
need an half ready device with the same only profit strategy.
 
I bought this device to check the current situation and what i see i  wonder:

Jola supports Facebook, Twitter, Google accounts but it don't support 
SIP, GPG (Mail or XMPP,  what I is rely necessary to be different and 
independent).

All what I need are basic things like: SIP, PGP, Calendar, Todos and 
possibility to sync my data with own servers and that's not given.  If i need 
facebook  or Twitter I'm going buy android or apple devices.

> If you need SIP
> urgently, as you say, get a different device, as there is no promise and
> no outlook on a change in situation.

I' have other phone and SIP is on PC. This discussion is more ge

> Please note that I don't think talking about platform features and user
> problems is on topic here. So let's EOD. If there's any change you'll
> see it in the TJC item.

I tried here because i hoped to get some updates in this case.

Regards
Vladislav

> Thomas
> 
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Re: [SailfishDevel] Sip on Jola Phone

2015-11-12 Thread Aleksi Suomalainen 
You can try jolla-settings-accounts-extensions-sip package on 2.0.0.10 but
I'm not sure it works right now.

On Fri, Nov 13, 2015 at 6:32 AM, Lorn Potter  wrote:

> On 13/11/2015 3:25 am, Thomas B. Rücker wrote:
> > Hi,
>
> >
> > SIP was on Jolla's roadmap, but was never delivered. I expect it got
> > dropped, but nobody bothered to update their public roadmap. It is not a
> > feature that would generate value for Jolla in the form of operator or
> > manufacturer deals, so I don't expect them to bother. If you need SIP
> > urgently, as you say, get a different device, as there is no promise and
> > no outlook on a change in situation.
> >
> > Please note that I don't think talking about platform features and user
> > problems is on topic here. So let's EOD. If there's any change you'll
> > see it in the TJC item.
>
> SIP is still on the Jolla roadmap, although I am not aware of the
> current status. I think it's a matter of priorities.
>
>
>
>
> --
> Lorn Potter
> Sensors / Connectivity
> Jolla / llornkcor technologies
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Re: [SailfishDevel] Sip on Jola Phone

2015-11-12 Thread Lorn Potter 
On 13/11/2015 3:25 am, Thomas B. Rücker wrote:
> Hi,

>
> SIP was on Jolla's roadmap, but was never delivered. I expect it got
> dropped, but nobody bothered to update their public roadmap. It is not a
> feature that would generate value for Jolla in the form of operator or
> manufacturer deals, so I don't expect them to bother. If you need SIP
> urgently, as you say, get a different device, as there is no promise and
> no outlook on a change in situation.
>
> Please note that I don't think talking about platform features and user
> problems is on topic here. So let's EOD. If there's any change you'll
> see it in the TJC item.

SIP is still on the Jolla roadmap, although I am not aware of the 
current status. I think it's a matter of priorities.




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Sensors / Connectivity
Jolla / llornkcor technologies
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Re: [SailfishDevel] Sip on Jola Phone

2015-11-12 Thread Thomas B . Rücker 
Hi,

On 11/09/2015 06:03 PM, Vladislav Vorobiev wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I setup my phone like this 
> https://together.jolla.com/question/415/sip-voip-native-integration/ 
> and it seems to work. The Phone is ringing (display stay black) but I can 
> answer if i activate the screen with the button.

Sounds about right.


> The microphone from jolla phone works and caller hears me but I can't hear 
> the 
> caller.

If the situation is still the same as before, apply the ALSA trick and
try holding the phone upside down.


> So it's not usable

Correct, but that should not have been a surprise to you. After all you
read the TJC item on this topic.


> For me is the stable sip feature (even without gui) decisive.

Then I strongly suggest using a different device than a Jolla phone.


> I have no firewall or something like what can block SIP, CSipSimple works on 
> that device but there are other problems.

That's an Android application, different can of worms and brokenness.


SIP was on Jolla's roadmap, but was never delivered. I expect it got
dropped, but nobody bothered to update their public roadmap. It is not a
feature that would generate value for Jolla in the form of operator or
manufacturer deals, so I don't expect them to bother. If you need SIP
urgently, as you say, get a different device, as there is no promise and
no outlook on a change in situation.

Please note that I don't think talking about platform features and user
problems is on topic here. So let's EOD. If there's any change you'll
see it in the TJC item.

Thomas

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