Re: [Dhis2-devs] [Dhis2-users] Looking for Human Resource System to integrate with DHIS

[gerald thomas]

I had use ihris and it is good. If you want help with it I am willing to
help.

On Aug 26, 2016 6:46 PM, "Laura E. Lincks" 
wrote:

> We are looking for a simple Human Resources tool to integrate with a DHIS
> aggregate database. Little is known of the needs of the HRIS, but for now
> it needs to track personnel details and groups of personnel will need to be
> associated with various programs in a separate DHIS aggregate database. An
> Open Source HRIS is preferable.
>
> In searching for tools I have come across the following:
> HRHIS in Tanzania developed by the
> HISP-TZ/University of Dar es Salaam
> iHRIS  developed by global Capacity Project.​
>
> I was wondering if anyone had any knowledge of or experience with these
> packages or if there were other applications that could be of use to us?
>
> Thanks in advance to anyone with leads or information.
>
> *Laura E. Lincks*
> Database Manager/Developer
> ICAP - Columbia University
> Mailman School of Public Health
> 60 Haven Ave, Floor B1
> New York, NY 10032
> Tel: 212 304 7132
>
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Re: [Dhis2-devs] [Dhis2-users] Looking for Human Resource System to integrate with DHIS

[wanjala pepela]

If iHRIS is updated regularly at district/sub-county levels (quarterly) it is 
more reliable and using DSL you could import aggregated data into DHIS2 and 
overlay the indicators; However, major subsystems of HIS i.e. HRH, Finance, 
equipment logistics ( health products and technologies)  infrastructure are 
weak and not updated;
A paradigm shift for this need be cultivated among the health information 
managers to collect from all the health information sources and use DHIS2 as 
the main aggregate system;
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meunit...@gmail.com "HealthInformation Management - Making a World of 
Difference” 

  From: Laura E. Lincks 
 To: DHIS Users ; DHIS 2 Developers list 
 
 Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 9:31 PM
 Subject: [Dhis2-users] Looking for Human Resource System to integrate with DHIS
   
We are looking for a simple Human Resources tool to integrate with a DHIS 
aggregate database. Little is known of the needs of the HRIS, but for now it 
needs to track personnel details and groups of personnel will need to be 
associated with various programs in a separate DHIS aggregate database. An Open 
Source HRIS is preferable.
In searching for tools I have come across the following:HRHIS in Tanzania 
developed by the HISP-TZ/University of Dar es SalaamiHRIS developed by global 
Capacity Project.​
I was wondering if anyone had any knowledge of or experience with these 
packages or if there were other applications that could be of use to us?
Thanks in advance to anyone with leads or information.
Laura E. Lincks
Database Manager/Developer
ICAP -Columbia University
Mailman School of Public Health
60 Haven Ave, Floor B1
New York, NY 10032
Tel: 212 304 7132

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Re: [Dhis2-devs] [Dhis2-users] Looking for Human Resource System to integrate with DHIS

[Calle Hedberg]

Laura,

The two main HRIS component designs "within" DHIS2 are the HRHIS in
Tanzania and another in Vietnam (John Lewis or Morten will be able to tell
you more about that one).

South Africa is currently using a customised Tracker app for managing
Community Service and Internships (around 10,000 graduates are applying for
internship or Community Service posts per annum).

We are also working on a "core" workforce registry tightly integrated with
DHIS2. By "core" I mean it will only deal with actual HR resources
including position, what they are licensed/authorised to do, and contact
details. Things like continuous education, bursaries, payroll, etc are
processed/managed by other systems. A major advantage of tight integration
will be the ability to use DHIS2 communication and messages + user
registration to communicate directly with health workers - in particular
since health workers increasingly will be interacting directly with DHIS2
on a daily basis through (daily) capturing of routine data, disease
notifications, various Tracker apps (browser or Android), etc.

Your basic requirements seem very similar: your primary need is to track
the workforce as an INPUT RESOURCE to health service delivery, and not to
track salaries and CVs and health insurance and employment history and a
bunch of other "personal" things. So you need to know WHO they are, where
they actually work and with what (in what position), what they are able to
do (mostly this relates to formal/legal practice licensing etc, but it
could be expanded to include specialist knowledge about certain diseases
etc), and how to contact them.

Regards
Calle

On 26 August 2016 at 21:56, gerald thomas  wrote:

> I had use ihris and it is good. If you want help with it I am willing to
> help.
>
> On Aug 26, 2016 6:46 PM, "Laura E. Lincks" 
> wrote:
>
>> We are looking for a simple Human Resources tool to integrate with a DHIS
>> aggregate database. Little is known of the needs of the HRIS, but for now
>> it needs to track personnel details and groups of personnel will need to be
>> associated with various programs in a separate DHIS aggregate database. An
>> Open Source HRIS is preferable.
>>
>> In searching for tools I have come across the following:
>> HRHIS in Tanzania developed by the
>> HISP-TZ/University of Dar es Salaam
>> iHRIS  developed by global Capacity Project.​
>>
>> I was wondering if anyone had any knowledge of or experience with these
>> packages or if there were other applications that could be of use to us?
>>
>> Thanks in advance to anyone with leads or information.
>>
>> *Laura E. Lincks*
>> Database Manager/Developer
>> ICAP - Columbia University
>> Mailman School of Public Health
>> 60 Haven Ave, Floor B1
>> New York, NY 10032
>> Tel: 212 304 7132
>>
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Re: [Dhis2-devs] [Dhis2-users] Looking for Human Resource System to integrate with DHIS

[Carl Leitner]

Dear Laura,

I help to oversee the iHRIS software.  We have done a lot of work 

 on integrating  
iHRIS to DHIS2, including reporting HRH indicators into DHIS2.   

Please let me introduce you to John Liebhardt, our iHRIS community manager.  We 
would be happy to have a conversation with you early next week about your need.

Cheers,
-carl
Assoc. Director, Digital Health 
IntraHealth International

Skype: litlfred_intra
Google: litlf...@gmail.com


> On Aug 26, 2016, at 2:31 PM, Laura E. Lincks  
> wrote:
> 
> We are looking for a simple Human Resources tool to integrate with a DHIS 
> aggregate database. Little is known of the needs of the HRIS, but for now it 
> needs to track personnel details and groups of personnel will need to be 
> associated with various programs in a separate DHIS aggregate database. An 
> Open Source HRIS is preferable.
> 
> In searching for tools I have come across the following:
> HRHIS  in Tanzania developed by the 
> HISP-TZ/University of Dar es Salaam
> iHRIS  developed by global Capacity Project.​
> 
> I was wondering if anyone had any knowledge of or experience with these 
> packages or if there were other applications that could be of use to us?
> 
> Thanks in advance to anyone with leads or information.
> 
> Laura E. Lincks <>
> Database Manager/Developer
> ICAP - Columbia University
> Mailman School of Public Health
> 60 Haven Ave, Floor B1
> New York, NY 10032
> Tel: 212 304 7132
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Re: [Dhis2-devs] [Dhis2-users] Looking for Human Resource System to integrate with DHIS

[Arthur Heywood]

Calle
In Zambia we are also looking to set up what you call a "core" Human
Resource HMIS ... mainly to do some "Bottleneck analysis" for our MDGi
districts ...

Are we able to use a beta version and see what we are able to adapt it to
our needs (same people being called different professional jobs  etc)  and
then feed back into the development process interesting to know how far
you have progressed?

Cheers
a

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Zappa)*
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On 26 August 2016 at 23:08, Calle Hedberg  wrote:

> Laura,
>
> The two main HRIS component designs "within" DHIS2 are the HRHIS in
> Tanzania and another in Vietnam (John Lewis or Morten will be able to tell
> you more about that one).
>
> South Africa is currently using a customised Tracker app for managing
> Community Service and Internships (around 10,000 graduates are applying for
> internship or Community Service posts per annum).
>
> We are also working on a "core" workforce registry tightly integrated with
> DHIS2. By "core" I mean it will only deal with actual HR resources
> including position, what they are licensed/authorised to do, and contact
> details. Things like continuous education, bursaries, payroll, etc are
> processed/managed by other systems. A major advantage of tight integration
> will be the ability to use DHIS2 communication and messages + user
> registration to communicate directly with health workers - in particular
> since health workers increasingly will be interacting directly with DHIS2
> on a daily basis through (daily) capturing of routine data, disease
> notifications, various Tracker apps (browser or Android), etc.
>
> Your basic requirements seem very similar: your primary need is to track
> the workforce as an INPUT RESOURCE to health service delivery, and not to
> track salaries and CVs and health insurance and employment history and a
> bunch of other "personal" things. So you need to know WHO they are, where
> they actually work and with what (in what position), what they are able to
> do (mostly this relates to formal/legal practice licensing etc, but it
> could be expanded to include specialist knowledge about certain diseases
> etc), and how to contact them.
>
> Regards
> Calle
>
> On 26 August 2016 at 21:56, gerald thomas  wrote:
>
>> I had use ihris and it is good. If you want help with it I am willing to
>> help.
>>
>> On Aug 26, 2016 6:46 PM, "Laura E. Lincks" > u> wrote:
>>
>>> We are looking for a simple Human Resources tool to integrate with a
>>> DHIS aggregate database. Little is known of the needs of the HRIS, but for
>>> now it needs to track personnel details and groups of personnel will need
>>> to be associated with various programs in a separate DHIS aggregate
>>> database. An Open Source HRIS is preferable.
>>>
>>> In searching for tools I have come across the following:
>>> HRHIS in Tanzania developed by the
>>> HISP-TZ/University of Dar es Salaam
>>> iHRIS  developed by global Capacity Project.​
>>>
>>> I was wondering if anyone had any knowledge of or experience with these
>>> packages or if there were other applications that could be of use to us?
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance to anyone with leads or information.
>>>
>>> *Laura E. Lincks*
>>> Database Manager/Developer
>>> ICAP - Columbia University
>>> Mailman School of Public Health
>>> 60 Haven Ave, Floor B1
>>> New York, NY 10032
>>> Tel: 212 304 7132
>>>
>>> ___
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>
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>
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Re: [Dhis2-devs] [Dhis2-users] Looking for Human Resource System to integrate with DHIS

[Calle Hedberg]

Arthur,

I'm not directly involved with the HRIS work using DHIS, my current focus
is on a fully integrated disease surveillance system. Will find out and get
back to you.

Regards
Calle

On 4 October 2016 at 15:15, Arthur Heywood  wrote:

> Calle
> In Zambia we are also looking to set up what you call a "core" Human
> Resource HMIS ... mainly to do some "Bottleneck analysis" for our MDGi
> districts ...
>
> Are we able to use a beta version and see what we are able to adapt it to
> our needs (same people being called different professional jobs  etc)  and
> then feed back into the development process interesting to know how far
> you have progressed?
>
> Cheers
> a
>
> *Without deviation from the norm, there can be no progress*** *(Frank
> Zappa)*
> *Skype* arthur_heywood_za
> Tanzania* +255-773669393 OR +255 673150252
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 26 August 2016 at 23:08, Calle Hedberg  wrote:
>
>> Laura,
>>
>> The two main HRIS component designs "within" DHIS2 are the HRHIS in
>> Tanzania and another in Vietnam (John Lewis or Morten will be able to tell
>> you more about that one).
>>
>> South Africa is currently using a customised Tracker app for managing
>> Community Service and Internships (around 10,000 graduates are applying for
>> internship or Community Service posts per annum).
>>
>> We are also working on a "core" workforce registry tightly integrated
>> with DHIS2. By "core" I mean it will only deal with actual HR resources
>> including position, what they are licensed/authorised to do, and contact
>> details. Things like continuous education, bursaries, payroll, etc are
>> processed/managed by other systems. A major advantage of tight integration
>> will be the ability to use DHIS2 communication and messages + user
>> registration to communicate directly with health workers - in particular
>> since health workers increasingly will be interacting directly with DHIS2
>> on a daily basis through (daily) capturing of routine data, disease
>> notifications, various Tracker apps (browser or Android), etc.
>>
>> Your basic requirements seem very similar: your primary need is to track
>> the workforce as an INPUT RESOURCE to health service delivery, and not to
>> track salaries and CVs and health insurance and employment history and a
>> bunch of other "personal" things. So you need to know WHO they are, where
>> they actually work and with what (in what position), what they are able to
>> do (mostly this relates to formal/legal practice licensing etc, but it
>> could be expanded to include specialist knowledge about certain diseases
>> etc), and how to contact them.
>>
>> Regards
>> Calle
>>
>> On 26 August 2016 at 21:56, gerald thomas  wrote:
>>
>>> I had use ihris and it is good. If you want help with it I am willing to
>>> help.
>>>
>>> On Aug 26, 2016 6:46 PM, "Laura E. Lincks" <
>>> laura.lin...@icap.columbia.edu> wrote:
>>>
 We are looking for a simple Human Resources tool to integrate with a
 DHIS aggregate database. Little is known of the needs of the HRIS, but for
 now it needs to track personnel details and groups of personnel will need
 to be associated with various programs in a separate DHIS aggregate
 database. An Open Source HRIS is preferable.

 In searching for tools I have come across the following:
 HRHIS in Tanzania developed by
 the HISP-TZ/University of Dar es Salaam
 iHRIS  developed by global Capacity Project.​

 I was wondering if anyone had any knowledge of or experience with these
 packages or if there were other applications that could be of use to us?

 Thanks in advance to anyone with leads or information.

 *Laura E. Lincks*
 Database Manager/Developer
 ICAP - Columbia University
 Mailman School of Public Health
 60 Haven Ave, Floor B1
 New York, NY 10032
 Tel: 212 304 7132

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>>
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>>
>> 46D Alma Road, 7700 Rosebank, SOUTH AFRICA
>>
>> Tel/fax (home): +27-21-685-6472
>>
>> Cell: +27-82-853-5352
>>
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>>
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>>
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Re: [Dhis2-devs] [Dhis2-users] Looking for Human Resource System to integrate with DHIS

[Juma Lungo]

Hi Arthur,
I would recommend iHRIS.
It has many features, integrates nicely with DHIS2, implemented in many 
countries and it is being supported by an active community working closely with 
DHIS2 developers.
Lungo


  From: Calle Hedberg 
 To: Arthur Heywood  
Cc: dhis2-users ; dhis2-devs 
; gerald thomas ; 
Seleman Ally 
 Sent: Tuesday, October 4, 2016 10:20 PM
 Subject: Re: [Dhis2-devs] [Dhis2-users] Looking for Human Resource System to 
integrate with DHIS
   
Arthur,
I'm not directly involved with the HRIS work using DHIS, my current focus is on 
a fully integrated disease surveillance system. Will find out and get back to 
you.
Regards
Calle
On 4 October 2016 at 15:15, Arthur Heywood  wrote:

Calle In Zambia we are also looking to set up what you call a "core" Human 
Resource HMIS ... mainly to do some "Bottleneck analysis" for our MDGi 
districts ...
Are we able to use a beta version and see what we are able to adapt it to our 
needs (same people being called different professional jobs  etc)  and then 
feed back into the development process interesting to know how far you have 
progressed?
Cheersa
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On 26 August 2016 at 23:08, Calle Hedberg  wrote:

Laura,
The two main HRIS component designs "within" DHIS2 are the HRHIS in Tanzania 
and another in Vietnam (John Lewis or Morten will be able to tell you more 
about that one). 
South Africa is currently using a customised Tracker app for managing Community 
Service and Internships (around 10,000 graduates are applying for internship or 
Community Service posts per annum). 
We are also working on a "core" workforce registry tightly integrated with 
DHIS2. By "core" I mean it will only deal with actual HR resources including 
position, what they are licensed/authorised to do, and contact details. Things 
like continuous education, bursaries, payroll, etc are processed/managed by 
other systems. A major advantage of tight integration will be the ability to 
use DHIS2 communication and messages + user registration to communicate 
directly with health workers - in particular since health workers increasingly 
will be interacting directly with DHIS2 on a daily basis through (daily) 
capturing of routine data, disease notifications, various Tracker apps (browser 
or Android), etc.
Your basic requirements seem very similar: your primary need is to track the 
workforce as an INPUT RESOURCE to health service delivery, and not to track 
salaries and CVs and health insurance and employment history and a bunch of 
other "personal" things. So you need to know WHO they are, where they actually 
work and with what (in what position), what they are able to do (mostly this 
relates to formal/legal practice licensing etc, but it could be expanded to 
include specialist knowledge about certain diseases etc), and how to contact 
them.
RegardsCalle
On 26 August 2016 at 21:56, gerald thomas  wrote:

I had use ihris and it is good. If you want help with it I am willing to help.
On Aug 26, 2016 6:46 PM, "Laura E. Lincks"  
wrote:

We are looking for a simple Human Resources tool to integrate with a DHIS 
aggregate database. Little is known of the needs of the HRIS, but for now it 
needs to track personnel details and groups of personnel will need to be 
associated with various programs in a separate DHIS aggregate database. An Open 
Source HRIS is preferable.
In searching for tools I have come across the following:HRHIS in Tanzania 
developed by the HISP-TZ/University of Dar es SalaamiHRIS developed by global 
Capacity Project.​
I was wondering if anyone had any knowledge of or experience with these 
packages or if there were other applications that could be of use to us?
Thanks in advance to anyone with leads or information.
Laura E. Lincks
Database Manager/Developer
ICAP -Columbia University
Mailman School of Public Health
60 Haven Ave, Floor B1
New York, NY 10032
Tel: 212 304 7132

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[David Muturi]

Hi Laura,
I was part of the team that rolled out iHRIS manage in Kenya while working
for the capacity Project, afterwards I worked with the MOH HIS team in
managing dhis2 thus got a technical view of both worlds. I provided
technical assistance last year that enabled the iHRIS manage to send
monthly summaries to the MOH dhis2 system.
rgds
David

2016-09-02 16:23 GMT+03:00 Carl Leitner :

> Dear Laura,
>
> I help to oversee the iHRIS software.  We have done a lot of work
> 
>  on integrating
>  iHRIS to
> DHIS2, including reporting HRH indicators into DHIS2.
>
> Please let me introduce you to John Liebhardt, our iHRIS community
> manager.  We would be happy to have a conversation with you early next week
> about your need.
>
> Cheers,
> -carl
> Assoc. Director, Digital Health
> IntraHealth International
>
> Skype: litlfred_intra
> Google: litlf...@gmail.com
>
>
> On Aug 26, 2016, at 2:31 PM, Laura E. Lincks  edu> wrote:
>
> We are looking for a simple Human Resources tool to integrate with a DHIS
> aggregate database. Little is known of the needs of the HRIS, but for now
> it needs to track personnel details and groups of personnel will need to be
> associated with various programs in a separate DHIS aggregate database. An
> Open Source HRIS is preferable.
>
> In searching for tools I have come across the following:
> HRHIS in Tanzania developed by the
> HISP-TZ/University of Dar es Salaam
> iHRIS  developed by global Capacity Project.​
>
> I was wondering if anyone had any knowledge of or experience with these
> packages or if there were other applications that could be of use to us?
>
> Thanks in advance to anyone with leads or information.
>
> *Laura E. Lincks*
> Database Manager/Developer
> ICAP - Columbia University
> Mailman School of Public Health
> 60 Haven Ave, Floor B1
> New York, NY 10032
> Tel: 212 304 7132
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Re: [Dhis2-devs] [Dhis2-users] Looking for Human Resource System to integrate with DHIS

[wanjala pepela]

Yes, for counties that are running the system is working well though need be 
integrated into the DHIS2 to get the aggregate information;
Otherwise David has worked in supporting the DHIS2 in Kenya and he is more 
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  From: David Muturi 
 To: Carl Leitner  
Cc: DHIS Users ; John Liebhardt 
; Carl Leitner ; DHIS 2 
Developers list 
 Sent: Wednesday, October 5, 2016 2:25 PM
 Subject: Re: [Dhis2-users] Looking for Human Resource System to integrate with 
DHIS
   
Hi Laura,I was part of the team that rolled out iHRIS manage in Kenya while 
working for the capacity Project, afterwards I worked with the MOH HIS team in 
managing dhis2 thus got a technical view of both worlds. I provided technical 
assistance last year that enabled the iHRIS manage to send monthly summaries to 
the MOH dhis2 system.rgdsDavid
2016-09-02 16:23 GMT+03:00 Carl Leitner :

Dear Laura,
I help to oversee the iHRIS software.  We have done a lot of work on 
integrating iHRIS to DHIS2, including reporting HRH indicators into DHIS2.   
Please let me introduce you to John Liebhardt, our iHRIS community manager.  We 
would be happy to have a conversation with you early next week about your need.
Cheers,-carlAssoc. Director, Digital Health IntraHealth International
Skype: litlfred_intraGoogle: litlf...@gmail.com


On Aug 26, 2016, at 2:31 PM, Laura E. Lincks  
wrote:
We are looking for a simple Human Resources tool to integrate with a DHIS 
aggregate database. Little is known of the needs of the HRIS, but for now it 
needs to track personnel details and groups of personnel will need to be 
associated with various programs in a separate DHIS aggregate database. An Open 
Source HRIS is preferable.
In searching for tools I have come across the following:HRHIS in Tanzania 
developed by the HISP-TZ/University of Dar es SalaamiHRIS developed by global 
Capacity Project.​
I was wondering if anyone had any knowledge of or experience with these 
packages or if there were other applications that could be of use to us?
Thanks in advance to anyone with leads or information.
Laura E. Lincks
Database Manager/Developer
ICAP -Columbia University
Mailman School of Public Health
60 Haven Ave, Floor B1
New York, NY 10032
Tel: 212 304 7132
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Re: [Dhis2-devs] [Dhis2-users] Looking for Human Resource System to integrate with DHIS

[Carl Leitner]

Hey Arthur,
Let me know if you would like to talk about this.  If you are keen on doing 
everything in DHSI2 (rather than an separate HRIS system, such as iHRIS) then 
there are some existing standard data models for health worker information that 
it would be good to model your data elements after.   

Are you looking more for the aggregate number of HWs or do you need information 
on the HWs themselves?
Cheers,
-carl



> On Oct 4, 2016, at 4:20 PM, Calle Hedberg  wrote:
> 
> Arthur,
> 
> I'm not directly involved with the HRIS work using DHIS, my current focus is 
> on a fully integrated disease surveillance system. Will find out and get back 
> to you.
> 
> Regards
> Calle
> 
> On 4 October 2016 at 15:15, Arthur Heywood  > wrote:
> Calle 
> In Zambia we are also looking to set up what you call a "core" Human Resource 
> HMIS ... mainly to do some "Bottleneck analysis" for our MDGi districts ...
> 
> Are we able to use a beta version and see what we are able to adapt it to our 
> needs (same people being called different professional jobs  etc)  and then 
> feed back into the development process interesting to know how far you 
> have progressed?
> 
> Cheers
> a
> 
> **Without deviation from the norm, there can be no progress* *(Frank Zappa)
> *Skype* arthur_heywood_za
> Tanzania* +255-773669393  OR +255 673150252 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 26 August 2016 at 23:08, Calle Hedberg  > wrote:
> Laura,
> 
> The two main HRIS component designs "within" DHIS2 are the HRHIS in Tanzania 
> and another in Vietnam (John Lewis or Morten will be able to tell you more 
> about that one). 
> 
> South Africa is currently using a customised Tracker app for managing 
> Community Service and Internships (around 10,000 graduates are applying for 
> internship or Community Service posts per annum). 
> 
> We are also working on a "core" workforce registry tightly integrated with 
> DHIS2. By "core" I mean it will only deal with actual HR resources including 
> position, what they are licensed/authorised to do, and contact details. 
> Things like continuous education, bursaries, payroll, etc are 
> processed/managed by other systems. A major advantage of tight integration 
> will be the ability to use DHIS2 communication and messages + user 
> registration to communicate directly with health workers - in particular 
> since health workers increasingly will be interacting directly with DHIS2 on 
> a daily basis through (daily) capturing of routine data, disease 
> notifications, various Tracker apps (browser or Android), etc.
> 
> Your basic requirements seem very similar: your primary need is to track the 
> workforce as an INPUT RESOURCE to health service delivery, and not to track 
> salaries and CVs and health insurance and employment history and a bunch of 
> other "personal" things. So you need to know WHO they are, where they 
> actually work and with what (in what position), what they are able to do 
> (mostly this relates to formal/legal practice licensing etc, but it could be 
> expanded to include specialist knowledge about certain diseases etc), and how 
> to contact them.
> 
> Regards
> Calle
> 
> On 26 August 2016 at 21:56, gerald thomas  > wrote:
> I had use ihris and it is good. If you want help with it I am willing to help.
> 
> 
> On Aug 26, 2016 6:46 PM, "Laura E. Lincks"  > wrote:
> We are looking for a simple Human Resources tool to integrate with a DHIS 
> aggregate database. Little is known of the needs of the HRIS, but for now it 
> needs to track personnel details and groups of personnel will need to be 
> associated with various programs in a separate DHIS aggregate database. An 
> Open Source HRIS is preferable.
> 
> In searching for tools I have come across the following:
> HRHIS  in Tanzania developed by the 
> HISP-TZ/University of Dar es Salaam
> iHRIS  developed by global Capacity Project.​
> 
> I was wondering if anyone had any knowledge of or experience with these 
> packages or if there were other applications that could be of use to us?
> 
> Thanks in advance to anyone with leads or information.
> 
> Laura E. Lincks <>
> Database Manager/Developer
> ICAP - Columbia University
> Mailman School of Public Health
> 60 Haven Ave, Floor B1
> New York, NY 10032
> Tel: 212 304 7132 
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Re: [Dhis2-devs] [Dhis2-users] Looking for Human Resource System to integrate with DHIS

[Sean Broomhead]

Hello Arthur - this is an interesting prospect. I'll explore with Calle and
the NDoH folk to see what they feel comfortable with.

Regards,
Sean

On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 3:15 PM, Arthur Heywood 
wrote:

> Calle
> In Zambia we are also looking to set up what you call a "core" Human
> Resource HMIS ... mainly to do some "Bottleneck analysis" for our MDGi
> districts ...
>
> Are we able to use a beta version and see what we are able to adapt it to
> our needs (same people being called different professional jobs  etc)  and
> then feed back into the development process interesting to know how far
> you have progressed?
>
> Cheers
> a
>
> *Without deviation from the norm, there can be no progress*** *(Frank
> Zappa)*
> *Skype* arthur_heywood_za
> Tanzania* +255-773669393 OR +255 673150252
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 26 August 2016 at 23:08, Calle Hedberg  wrote:
>
>> Laura,
>>
>> The two main HRIS component designs "within" DHIS2 are the HRHIS in
>> Tanzania and another in Vietnam (John Lewis or Morten will be able to tell
>> you more about that one).
>>
>> South Africa is currently using a customised Tracker app for managing
>> Community Service and Internships (around 10,000 graduates are applying for
>> internship or Community Service posts per annum).
>>
>> We are also working on a "core" workforce registry tightly integrated
>> with DHIS2. By "core" I mean it will only deal with actual HR resources
>> including position, what they are licensed/authorised to do, and contact
>> details. Things like continuous education, bursaries, payroll, etc are
>> processed/managed by other systems. A major advantage of tight integration
>> will be the ability to use DHIS2 communication and messages + user
>> registration to communicate directly with health workers - in particular
>> since health workers increasingly will be interacting directly with DHIS2
>> on a daily basis through (daily) capturing of routine data, disease
>> notifications, various Tracker apps (browser or Android), etc.
>>
>> Your basic requirements seem very similar: your primary need is to track
>> the workforce as an INPUT RESOURCE to health service delivery, and not to
>> track salaries and CVs and health insurance and employment history and a
>> bunch of other "personal" things. So you need to know WHO they are, where
>> they actually work and with what (in what position), what they are able to
>> do (mostly this relates to formal/legal practice licensing etc, but it
>> could be expanded to include specialist knowledge about certain diseases
>> etc), and how to contact them.
>>
>> Regards
>> Calle
>>
>> On 26 August 2016 at 21:56, gerald thomas  wrote:
>>
>>> I had use ihris and it is good. If you want help with it I am willing to
>>> help.
>>>
>>> On Aug 26, 2016 6:46 PM, "Laura E. Lincks" <
>>> laura.lin...@icap.columbia.edu> wrote:
>>>
 We are looking for a simple Human Resources tool to integrate with a
 DHIS aggregate database. Little is known of the needs of the HRIS, but for
 now it needs to track personnel details and groups of personnel will need
 to be associated with various programs in a separate DHIS aggregate
 database. An Open Source HRIS is preferable.

 In searching for tools I have come across the following:
 HRHIS in Tanzania developed by
 the HISP-TZ/University of Dar es Salaam
 iHRIS  developed by global Capacity Project.​

 I was wondering if anyone had any knowledge of or experience with these
 packages or if there were other applications that could be of use to us?

 Thanks in advance to anyone with leads or information.

 *Laura E. Lincks*
 Database Manager/Developer
 ICAP - Columbia University
 Mailman School of Public Health
 60 Haven Ave, Floor B1
 New York, NY 10032
 Tel: 212 304 7132

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Re: [Dhis2-devs] [Dhis2-users] Looking for Human Resource System to integrate with DHIS

[Arthur Heywood]

Lungo
Good to hear from you ... long time no see
Thanks for this  can you tell me where we have a SUCCESSFUL
implementation where one can actually get IHRIS data through DHIS and make
integrated indicators, use IHRIS indicators for Bottleneck analysis etc

Regards
Arthur

*Without deviation from the norm, there can be no progress*** *(Frank
Zappa)*
*Skype* arthur_heywood_za
Tanzania* +255-773669393 OR +255 673150252









On 5 October 2016 at 06:54, Juma Lungo  wrote:

> Hi Arthur,
>
> I would recommend iHRIS.
>
> It has many features, integrates nicely with DHIS2, implemented in many
> countries and it is being supported by an active community working closely
> with DHIS2 developers.
>
> Lungo
>
>
> --
> *From:* Calle Hedberg 
> *To:* Arthur Heywood 
> *Cc:* dhis2-users ; dhis2-devs <
> dhis2-devs@lists.launchpad.net>; gerald thomas ;
> Seleman Ally 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 4, 2016 10:20 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Dhis2-devs] [Dhis2-users] Looking for Human Resource
> System to integrate with DHIS
>
> Arthur,
>
> I'm not directly involved with the HRIS work using DHIS, my current focus
> is on a fully integrated disease surveillance system. Will find out and get
> back to you.
>
> Regards
> Calle
>
> On 4 October 2016 at 15:15, Arthur Heywood 
> wrote:
>
> Calle
> In Zambia we are also looking to set up what you call a "core" Human
> Resource HMIS ... mainly to do some "Bottleneck analysis" for our MDGi
> districts ...
>
> Are we able to use a beta version and see what we are able to adapt it to
> our needs (same people being called different professional jobs  etc)  and
> then feed back into the development process interesting to know how far
> you have progressed?
>
> Cheers
> a
>
> *Without deviation from the norm, there can be no progress*** *(Frank
> Zappa)*
> *Skype* arthur_heywood_za
> Tanzania* +255-773669393 OR +255 673150252
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 26 August 2016 at 23:08, Calle Hedberg  wrote:
>
> Laura,
>
> The two main HRIS component designs "within" DHIS2 are the HRHIS in
> Tanzania and another in Vietnam (John Lewis or Morten will be able to tell
> you more about that one).
>
> South Africa is currently using a customised Tracker app for managing
> Community Service and Internships (around 10,000 graduates are applying for
> internship or Community Service posts per annum).
>
> We are also working on a "core" workforce registry tightly integrated with
> DHIS2. By "core" I mean it will only deal with actual HR resources
> including position, what they are licensed/authorised to do, and contact
> details. Things like continuous education, bursaries, payroll, etc are
> processed/managed by other systems. A major advantage of tight integration
> will be the ability to use DHIS2 communication and messages + user
> registration to communicate directly with health workers - in particular
> since health workers increasingly will be interacting directly with DHIS2
> on a daily basis through (daily) capturing of routine data, disease
> notifications, various Tracker apps (browser or Android), etc.
>
> Your basic requirements seem very similar: your primary need is to track
> the workforce as an INPUT RESOURCE to health service delivery, and not to
> track salaries and CVs and health insurance and employment history and a
> bunch of other "personal" things. So you need to know WHO they are, where
> they actually work and with what (in what position), what they are able to
> do (mostly this relates to formal/legal practice licensing etc, but it
> could be expanded to include specialist knowledge about certain diseases
> etc), and how to contact them.
>
> Regards
> Calle
>
> On 26 August 2016 at 21:56, gerald thomas  wrote:
>
> I had use ihris and it is good. If you want help with it I am willing to
> help.
>
> On Aug 26, 2016 6:46 PM, "Laura E. Lincks"  u > wrote:
>
> We are looking for a simple Human Resources tool to integrate with a DHIS
> aggregate database. Little is known of the needs of the HRIS, but for now
> it needs to track personnel details and groups of personnel will need to be
> associated with various programs in a separate DHIS aggregate database. An
> Open Source HRIS is preferable.
>
> In searching for tools I have come across the following:
> HRHIS <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HRHIS>in Tanzania developed by the
> HISP-TZ/University of Dar es Salaam
> iHRIS <http://www.ihris.org/> developed by global Capacity Project.​
>
> I was wondering if anyone had any knowledge of or experience with these
> packages o

Re: [Dhis2-devs] [Dhis2-users] Looking for Human Resource System to integrate with DHIS

[Arthur Heywood]

Carl
We do not need detailed data  what was described as "core HRHIS" is
more than good enough  aggregate data with no details so that we can do
workload indicators, Bottleneck analysis etc within DHIS, using imported
data
I would really like to see this in practice somewhere  any ideas where
this integration is actually working already?

Regards
Arthur

*Without deviation from the norm, there can be no progress*** *(Frank
Zappa)*
*Skype* arthur_heywood_za
Tanzania* +255-773669393 OR +255 673150252









On 5 October 2016 at 14:56, Carl Leitner  wrote:

> Hey Arthur,
> Let me know if you would like to talk about this.  If you are keen on
> doing everything in DHSI2 (rather than an separate HRIS system, such as
> iHRIS) then there are some existing standard data models for health worker
> information that it would be good to model your data elements after.
>
> Are you looking more for the aggregate number of HWs or do you need
> information on the HWs themselves?
> Cheers,
> -carl
>
>
>
> On Oct 4, 2016, at 4:20 PM, Calle Hedberg  wrote:
>
> Arthur,
>
> I'm not directly involved with the HRIS work using DHIS, my current focus
> is on a fully integrated disease surveillance system. Will find out and get
> back to you.
>
> Regards
> Calle
>
> On 4 October 2016 at 15:15, Arthur Heywood 
> wrote:
>
>> Calle
>> In Zambia we are also looking to set up what you call a "core" Human
>> Resource HMIS ... mainly to do some "Bottleneck analysis" for our MDGi
>> districts ...
>>
>> Are we able to use a beta version and see what we are able to adapt it to
>> our needs (same people being called different professional jobs  etc)  and
>> then feed back into the development process interesting to know how far
>> you have progressed?
>>
>> Cheers
>> a
>>
>> *Without deviation from the norm, there can be no progress***
>> *(Frank Zappa)*
>> *Skype* arthur_heywood_za
>> Tanzania* +255-773669393 OR +255 673150252
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 26 August 2016 at 23:08, Calle Hedberg 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Laura,
>>>
>>> The two main HRIS component designs "within" DHIS2 are the HRHIS in
>>> Tanzania and another in Vietnam (John Lewis or Morten will be able to tell
>>> you more about that one).
>>>
>>> South Africa is currently using a customised Tracker app for managing
>>> Community Service and Internships (around 10,000 graduates are applying for
>>> internship or Community Service posts per annum).
>>>
>>> We are also working on a "core" workforce registry tightly integrated
>>> with DHIS2. By "core" I mean it will only deal with actual HR resources
>>> including position, what they are licensed/authorised to do, and contact
>>> details. Things like continuous education, bursaries, payroll, etc are
>>> processed/managed by other systems. A major advantage of tight integration
>>> will be the ability to use DHIS2 communication and messages + user
>>> registration to communicate directly with health workers - in particular
>>> since health workers increasingly will be interacting directly with DHIS2
>>> on a daily basis through (daily) capturing of routine data, disease
>>> notifications, various Tracker apps (browser or Android), etc.
>>>
>>> Your basic requirements seem very similar: your primary need is to track
>>> the workforce as an INPUT RESOURCE to health service delivery, and not to
>>> track salaries and CVs and health insurance and employment history and a
>>> bunch of other "personal" things. So you need to know WHO they are, where
>>> they actually work and with what (in what position), what they are able to
>>> do (mostly this relates to formal/legal practice licensing etc, but it
>>> could be expanded to include specialist knowledge about certain diseases
>>> etc), and how to contact them.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Calle
>>>
>>> On 26 August 2016 at 21:56, gerald thomas  wrote:
>>>
 I had use ihris and it is good. If you want help with it I am willing
 to help.

 On Aug 26, 2016 6:46 PM, "Laura E. Lincks" <
 laura.lin...@icap.columbia.edu> wrote:

> We are looking for a simple Human Resources tool to integrate with a
> DHIS aggregate database. Little is known of the needs of the HRIS, but for
> now it needs to track personnel details and groups of personnel will need
> to be associated with various programs in a separate DHIS aggregate
> database. An Open Source HRIS is preferable.
>
> In searching for tools I have come across the following:
> HRHIS in Tanzania developed by
> the HISP-TZ/University of Dar es Salaam
> iHRIS  developed by global Capacity Project.​
>
> I was wondering if anyone had any knowledge of or experience with
> these packages or if there were other applications that could be of use to
> us?
>
> Thanks in advance to anyone with leads or information.
>
> *Laura E. Lincks*
> Database Manager/Developer
> ICAP - Columb

Re: [Dhis2-devs] [Dhis2-users] Looking for Human Resource System to integrate with DHIS

[Bob Jolliffe]

Hi Arthur

Carl will probably be able to point you to various cases where this
has been done with dhis2 and ihris.  I am familiar with examples from
Zanzibar, Kenya and Rwanda which sort of worked but none of which
could fairly be described as successful in the sense of sustained use
as far as I know.

I think the main tricky bit to get right is the harmonization of
health facilities in the two systems not just as one off, but with
processes to keep them harmonized.  You might only have 20 indicators
of interest but you have 1000s of facilities.  As soon as the orgunits
start diverging the interoperability starts falling apart.  I think
there was also some interesting work done in Bihar on this problem.

One conventionasl "wisdom" that has done the rounds over the past few
years is that a separate facility registry is the solution to this.  I
am less sure.  In practice you now find that whereas before the
problem was harmonizing between 2 systems, now it becomes more complex
because you have 3 :-)  Add more with LMIS etc ..

So 2 alternative approaches emerge:
1. retreat to dhis2 and try and do everything there - sometimes this
sort of works for many things (which is better than most), but it has
obvious limits and I don't believe can serve as the basis of long term
strategy to solve all problems
2.  insist that any system that sends data to dhis2 treats dhis2 as
the authoritative source of facility registry data.  If only they
would :-)  Unfortunately dhis2 view of the
physical/geographic/administrative world of the health system can
diverge sometimes significantly from that of an HRIS system - think of
MOH employees at offices not involved in health service delivery for
example.  So there are local arrangements and understandings to be
made, but in general I think this path holds the most potential,

In practice I think we have to concede the problems have been unsolved
for now.  Unless someone can point me otherwise.  The challenge seems
on the surface to be technically fairly trivial,  But beneath lurk
demons.

Cheers
Bob

On 8 October 2016 at 07:13, Arthur Heywood  wrote:
> Lungo
> Good to hear from you ... long time no see
> Thanks for this  can you tell me where we have a SUCCESSFUL
> implementation where one can actually get IHRIS data through DHIS and make
> integrated indicators, use IHRIS indicators for Bottleneck analysis etc
>
> Regards
> Arthur
>
> **Without deviation from the norm, there can be no progress* *(Frank Zappa)
> *Skype* arthur_heywood_za
> Tanzania* +255-773669393 OR +255 673150252
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 5 October 2016 at 06:54, Juma Lungo  wrote:
>>
>> Hi Arthur,
>>
>> I would recommend iHRIS.
>>
>> It has many features, integrates nicely with DHIS2, implemented in many
>> countries and it is being supported by an active community working closely
>> with DHIS2 developers.
>>
>> Lungo
>>
>>
>> 
>> From: Calle Hedberg 
>> To: Arthur Heywood 
>> Cc: dhis2-users ; dhis2-devs
>> ; gerald thomas ;
>> Seleman Ally 
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 4, 2016 10:20 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Dhis2-devs] [Dhis2-users] Looking for Human Resource System
>> to integrate with DHIS
>>
>> Arthur,
>>
>> I'm not directly involved with the HRIS work using DHIS, my current focus
>> is on a fully integrated disease surveillance system. Will find out and get
>> back to you.
>>
>> Regards
>> Calle
>>
>> On 4 October 2016 at 15:15, Arthur Heywood 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Calle
>> In Zambia we are also looking to set up what you call a "core" Human
>> Resource HMIS ... mainly to do some "Bottleneck analysis" for our MDGi
>> districts ...
>>
>> Are we able to use a beta version and see what we are able to adapt it to
>> our needs (same people being called different professional jobs  etc)  and
>> then feed back into the development process interesting to know how far
>> you have progressed?
>>
>> Cheers
>> a
>>
>> **Without deviation from the norm, there can be no progress* *(Frank
>> Zappa)
>> *Skype* arthur_heywood_za
>> Tanzania* +255-773669393 OR +255 673150252
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 26 August 2016 at 23:08, Calle Hedberg  wrote:
>>
>> Laura,
>>
>> The two main HRIS component designs "within" DHIS2 are the HRHIS in
>> Tanzania and another in Vietnam (John Lewis or Morten will be able to tell
>> you more about that one).
>>
>> South Africa is currently using a customised Tracker app for managing
>> Community Service and Internships (around

Re: [Dhis2-devs] [Dhis2-users] Looking for Human Resource System to integrate with DHIS

[gerald thomas]

Hi all,
In Sierra Leone we successfully deployed both applications and it was a
success but we had an intermediary connection which is the facility
register, which is this case helps us to synchronize the facility list
between both applications. Normally, iHRIS gives the full background
information of staff within each facilities which can be useful for
analysis during disease outbreak or even as part an indicator.
Furthermore, our iHRIS was empowered using mHERO, which is two-way SMS
connection between iHRIS and health workers. They could update their
profile in iHRIS or receive alter of outbreak or even medical instructions
from their leads.

On Oct 8, 2016 5:45 AM, "Bob Jolliffe"  wrote:

> Hi Arthur
>
> Carl will probably be able to point you to various cases where this
> has been done with dhis2 and ihris.  I am familiar with examples from
> Zanzibar, Kenya and Rwanda which sort of worked but none of which
> could fairly be described as successful in the sense of sustained use
> as far as I know.
>
> I think the main tricky bit to get right is the harmonization of
> health facilities in the two systems not just as one off, but with
> processes to keep them harmonized.  You might only have 20 indicators
> of interest but you have 1000s of facilities.  As soon as the orgunits
> start diverging the interoperability starts falling apart.  I think
> there was also some interesting work done in Bihar on this problem.
>
> One conventionasl "wisdom" that has done the rounds over the past few
> years is that a separate facility registry is the solution to this.  I
> am less sure.  In practice you now find that whereas before the
> problem was harmonizing between 2 systems, now it becomes more complex
> because you have 3 :-)  Add more with LMIS etc ..
>
> So 2 alternative approaches emerge:
> 1. retreat to dhis2 and try and do everything there - sometimes this
> sort of works for many things (which is better than most), but it has
> obvious limits and I don't believe can serve as the basis of long term
> strategy to solve all problems
> 2.  insist that any system that sends data to dhis2 treats dhis2 as
> the authoritative source of facility registry data.  If only they
> would :-)  Unfortunately dhis2 view of the
> physical/geographic/administrative world of the health system can
> diverge sometimes significantly from that of an HRIS system - think of
> MOH employees at offices not involved in health service delivery for
> example.  So there are local arrangements and understandings to be
> made, but in general I think this path holds the most potential,
>
> In practice I think we have to concede the problems have been unsolved
> for now.  Unless someone can point me otherwise.  The challenge seems
> on the surface to be technically fairly trivial,  But beneath lurk
> demons.
>
> Cheers
> Bob
>
> On 8 October 2016 at 07:13, Arthur Heywood 
> wrote:
> > Lungo
> > Good to hear from you ... long time no see
> > Thanks for this  can you tell me where we have a SUCCESSFUL
> > implementation where one can actually get IHRIS data through DHIS and
> make
> > integrated indicators, use IHRIS indicators for Bottleneck analysis etc
> >
> > Regards
> > Arthur
> >
> > **Without deviation from the norm, there can be no progress* *(Frank
> Zappa)
> > *Skype* arthur_heywood_za
> > Tanzania* +255-773669393 OR +255 673150252
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 5 October 2016 at 06:54, Juma Lungo  wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi Arthur,
> >>
> >> I would recommend iHRIS.
> >>
> >> It has many features, integrates nicely with DHIS2, implemented in many
> >> countries and it is being supported by an active community working
> closely
> >> with DHIS2 developers.
> >>
> >> Lungo
> >>
> >>
> >> 
> >> From: Calle Hedberg 
> >> To: Arthur Heywood 
> >> Cc: dhis2-users ; dhis2-devs
> >> ; gerald thomas  >;
> >> Seleman Ally 
> >> Sent: Tuesday, October 4, 2016 10:20 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [Dhis2-devs] [Dhis2-users] Looking for Human Resource
> System
> >> to integrate with DHIS
> >>
> >> Arthur,
> >>
> >> I'm not directly involved with the HRIS work using DHIS, my current
> focus
> >> is on a fully integrated disease surveillance system. Will find out and
> get
> >> back to you.
> >>
> >> Regards
> >> Calle
> >>
> >> On 4 October 2016 at 15:15, Arthur Heywood 
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> C

Re: [Dhis2-devs] [Dhis2-users] Looking for Human Resource System to integrate with DHIS

[Juma Lungo]

Dear Arthur,
Bob has said it all. To integrate health systems, the culprit is the facility 
list. As the list evolve, the integration die automatically. 

Facility registry is the way to go. Making both, the DHIS2 and iHRIS 
referencing an external database of the facility makes the integration 
permanent. Both, DHIS2 and iHRIS can easily be configured to learn facility 
attributes from external database easier. 

See Gerald's case study from Sierra Leone. It is our shining case study.

One thing you need to take note is, even though right now you are looking for a 
minimum functions for a HR system, the moment you implement demands will 
increase. This is where iHRIS is the best option.
Best regards,

Lungo


  From: Bob Jolliffe 
 To: Arthur Heywood  
Cc: Juma Lungo ; dhis2-users 
; "calle.hedb...@gmail.com" 
; dhis2-devs 
 Sent: Saturday, October 8, 2016 7:45 AM
 Subject: Re: [Dhis2-users] [Dhis2-devs] Looking for Human Resource System to 
integrate with DHIS
   
Hi Arthur

Carl will probably be able to point you to various cases where this
has been done with dhis2 and ihris.  I am familiar with examples from
Zanzibar, Kenya and Rwanda which sort of worked but none of which
could fairly be described as successful in the sense of sustained use
as far as I know.

I think the main tricky bit to get right is the harmonization of
health facilities in the two systems not just as one off, but with
processes to keep them harmonized.  You might only have 20 indicators
of interest but you have 1000s of facilities.  As soon as the orgunits
start diverging the interoperability starts falling apart.  I think
there was also some interesting work done in Bihar on this problem.

One conventionasl "wisdom" that has done the rounds over the past few
years is that a separate facility registry is the solution to this.  I
am less sure.  In practice you now find that whereas before the
problem was harmonizing between 2 systems, now it becomes more complex
because you have 3 :-)  Add more with LMIS etc ..

So 2 alternative approaches emerge:
1. retreat to dhis2 and try and do everything there - sometimes this
sort of works for many things (which is better than most), but it has
obvious limits and I don't believe can serve as the basis of long term
strategy to solve all problems
2.  insist that any system that sends data to dhis2 treats dhis2 as
the authoritative source of facility registry data.  If only they
would :-)  Unfortunately dhis2 view of the
physical/geographic/administrative world of the health system can
diverge sometimes significantly from that of an HRIS system - think of
MOH employees at offices not involved in health service delivery for
example.  So there are local arrangements and understandings to be
made, but in general I think this path holds the most potential,

In practice I think we have to concede the problems have been unsolved
for now.  Unless someone can point me otherwise.  The challenge seems
on the surface to be technically fairly trivial,  But beneath lurk
demons.

Cheers
Bob

On 8 October 2016 at 07:13, Arthur Heywood  wrote:
> Lungo
> Good to hear from you ... long time no see
> Thanks for this  can you tell me where we have a SUCCESSFUL
> implementation where one can actually get IHRIS data through DHIS and make
> integrated indicators, use IHRIS indicators for Bottleneck analysis etc
>
> Regards
> Arthur
>
> **Without deviation from the norm, there can be no progress* *(Frank Zappa)
> *Skype* arthur_heywood_za
> Tanzania* +255-773669393 OR +255 673150252
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 5 October 2016 at 06:54, Juma Lungo  wrote:
>>
>> Hi Arthur,
>>
>> I would recommend iHRIS.
>>
>> It has many features, integrates nicely with DHIS2, implemented in many
>> countries and it is being supported by an active community working closely
>> with DHIS2 developers.
>>
>> Lungo
>>
>>
>> 
>> From: Calle Hedberg 
>> To: Arthur Heywood 
>> Cc: dhis2-users ; dhis2-devs
>> ; gerald thomas ;
>> Seleman Ally 
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 4, 2016 10:20 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Dhis2-devs] [Dhis2-users] Looking for Human Resource System
>> to integrate with DHIS
>>
>> Arthur,
>>
>> I'm not directly involved with the HRIS work using DHIS, my current focus
>> is on a fully integrated disease surveillance system. Will find out and get
>> back to you.
>>
>> Regards
>> Calle
>>
>> On 4 October 2016 at 15:15, Arthur Heywood 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Calle
>> In Zambia we are also looking to set up what you call a "core" Human
>> Resource HMIS ... mainly to do some "Bottleneck analysis" for our MDGi
>> districts ...
>>
>> Are we able to use a beta

Re: [Dhis2-devs] [Dhis2-users] Looking for Human Resource System to integrate with DHIS

[Bob Jolliffe]

Hi Lungo

Not quite what I said.  It is early days for the SL shining case study
but well worth watching.

Cheers
Bob

On 8 October 2016 at 11:29, Juma Lungo  wrote:
> Dear Arthur,
>
> Bob has said it all. To integrate health systems, the culprit is the
> facility list. As the list evolve, the integration die automatically.
>
> Facility registry is the way to go. Making both, the DHIS2 and iHRIS
> referencing an external database of the facility makes the integration
> permanent. Both, DHIS2 and iHRIS can easily be configured to learn facility
> attributes from external database easier.
>
> See Gerald's case study from Sierra Leone. It is our shining case study.
>
> One thing you need to take note is, even though right now you are looking
> for a minimum functions for a HR system, the moment you implement demands
> will increase. This is where iHRIS is the best option.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Lungo
>
>
> 
> From: Bob Jolliffe 
> To: Arthur Heywood 
> Cc: Juma Lungo ; dhis2-users
> ; "calle.hedb...@gmail.com"
> ; dhis2-devs 
> Sent: Saturday, October 8, 2016 7:45 AM
> Subject: Re: [Dhis2-users] [Dhis2-devs] Looking for Human Resource System to
> integrate with DHIS
>
> Hi Arthur
>
> Carl will probably be able to point you to various cases where this
> has been done with dhis2 and ihris.  I am familiar with examples from
> Zanzibar, Kenya and Rwanda which sort of worked but none of which
> could fairly be described as successful in the sense of sustained use
> as far as I know.
>
> I think the main tricky bit to get right is the harmonization of
> health facilities in the two systems not just as one off, but with
> processes to keep them harmonized.  You might only have 20 indicators
> of interest but you have 1000s of facilities.  As soon as the orgunits
> start diverging the interoperability starts falling apart.  I think
> there was also some interesting work done in Bihar on this problem.
>
> One conventionasl "wisdom" that has done the rounds over the past few
> years is that a separate facility registry is the solution to this.  I
> am less sure.  In practice you now find that whereas before the
> problem was harmonizing between 2 systems, now it becomes more complex
> because you have 3 :-)  Add more with LMIS etc ..
>
> So 2 alternative approaches emerge:
> 1. retreat to dhis2 and try and do everything there - sometimes this
> sort of works for many things (which is better than most), but it has
> obvious limits and I don't believe can serve as the basis of long term
> strategy to solve all problems
> 2.  insist that any system that sends data to dhis2 treats dhis2 as
> the authoritative source of facility registry data.  If only they
> would :-)  Unfortunately dhis2 view of the
> physical/geographic/administrative world of the health system can
> diverge sometimes significantly from that of an HRIS system - think of
> MOH employees at offices not involved in health service delivery for
> example.  So there are local arrangements and understandings to be
> made, but in general I think this path holds the most potential,
>
> In practice I think we have to concede the problems have been unsolved
> for now.  Unless someone can point me otherwise.  The challenge seems
> on the surface to be technically fairly trivial,  But beneath lurk
> demons.
>
> Cheers
> Bob
>
> On 8 October 2016 at 07:13, Arthur Heywood  wrote:
>> Lungo
>> Good to hear from you ... long time no see
>> Thanks for this  can you tell me where we have a SUCCESSFUL
>> implementation where one can actually get IHRIS data through DHIS and make
>> integrated indicators, use IHRIS indicators for Bottleneck analysis etc
>>
>> Regards
>> Arthur
>>
>> **Without deviation from the norm, there can be no progress* *(Frank
>> Zappa)
>> *Skype* arthur_heywood_za
>> Tanzania* +255-773669393 OR +255 673150252
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 5 October 2016 at 06:54, Juma Lungo  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Arthur,
>>>
>>> I would recommend iHRIS.
>>>
>>> It has many features, integrates nicely with DHIS2, implemented in many
>>> countries and it is being supported by an active community working
>>> closely
>>> with DHIS2 developers.
>>>
>>> Lungo
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>> From: Calle Hedberg 
>>> To: Arthur Heywood 
>>> Cc: dhis2-users ; dhis2-devs
>>> ; gerald thomas ;
>>> Seleman Ally 
>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 4, 2016 10:20 PM
>>>

Re: [Dhis2-devs] [Dhis2-users] Looking for Human Resource System to integrate with DHIS

[Kayode Odusote]

Dear Bob,

Getting back to what you said, why can't offices in the Ministry be
included in the DHIS2 facility list?  They are also service centres
though they are offering administrative services and should need
monitoring as well.

Kayode


On 10/8/16, Bob Jolliffe  wrote:
> Hi Lungo
>
> Not quite what I said.  It is early days for the SL shining case study
> but well worth watching.
>
> Cheers
> Bob
>
> On 8 October 2016 at 11:29, Juma Lungo  wrote:
>> Dear Arthur,
>>
>> Bob has said it all. To integrate health systems, the culprit is the
>> facility list. As the list evolve, the integration die automatically.
>>
>> Facility registry is the way to go. Making both, the DHIS2 and iHRIS
>> referencing an external database of the facility makes the integration
>> permanent. Both, DHIS2 and iHRIS can easily be configured to learn
>> facility
>> attributes from external database easier.
>>
>> See Gerald's case study from Sierra Leone. It is our shining case study.
>>
>> One thing you need to take note is, even though right now you are looking
>> for a minimum functions for a HR system, the moment you implement demands
>> will increase. This is where iHRIS is the best option.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Lungo
>>
>>
>> 
>> From: Bob Jolliffe 
>> To: Arthur Heywood 
>> Cc: Juma Lungo ; dhis2-users
>> ; "calle.hedb...@gmail.com"
>> ; dhis2-devs 
>> Sent: Saturday, October 8, 2016 7:45 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Dhis2-users] [Dhis2-devs] Looking for Human Resource System
>> to
>> integrate with DHIS
>>
>> Hi Arthur
>>
>> Carl will probably be able to point you to various cases where this
>> has been done with dhis2 and ihris.  I am familiar with examples from
>> Zanzibar, Kenya and Rwanda which sort of worked but none of which
>> could fairly be described as successful in the sense of sustained use
>> as far as I know.
>>
>> I think the main tricky bit to get right is the harmonization of
>> health facilities in the two systems not just as one off, but with
>> processes to keep them harmonized.  You might only have 20 indicators
>> of interest but you have 1000s of facilities.  As soon as the orgunits
>> start diverging the interoperability starts falling apart.  I think
>> there was also some interesting work done in Bihar on this problem.
>>
>> One conventionasl "wisdom" that has done the rounds over the past few
>> years is that a separate facility registry is the solution to this.  I
>> am less sure.  In practice you now find that whereas before the
>> problem was harmonizing between 2 systems, now it becomes more complex
>> because you have 3 :-)  Add more with LMIS etc ..
>>
>> So 2 alternative approaches emerge:
>> 1. retreat to dhis2 and try and do everything there - sometimes this
>> sort of works for many things (which is better than most), but it has
>> obvious limits and I don't believe can serve as the basis of long term
>> strategy to solve all problems
>> 2.  insist that any system that sends data to dhis2 treats dhis2 as
>> the authoritative source of facility registry data.  If only they
>> would :-)  Unfortunately dhis2 view of the
>> physical/geographic/administrative world of the health system can
>> diverge sometimes significantly from that of an HRIS system - think of
>> MOH employees at offices not involved in health service delivery for
>> example.  So there are local arrangements and understandings to be
>> made, but in general I think this path holds the most potential,
>>
>> In practice I think we have to concede the problems have been unsolved
>> for now.  Unless someone can point me otherwise.  The challenge seems
>> on the surface to be technically fairly trivial,  But beneath lurk
>> demons.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Bob
>>
>> On 8 October 2016 at 07:13, Arthur Heywood 
>> wrote:
>>> Lungo
>>> Good to hear from you ... long time no see
>>> Thanks for this  can you tell me where we have a SUCCESSFUL
>>> implementation where one can actually get IHRIS data through DHIS and
>>> make
>>> integrated indicators, use IHRIS indicators for Bottleneck analysis etc
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Arthur
>>>
>>> **Without deviation from the norm, there can be no progress* *(Frank
>>> Zappa)
>>> *Skype* arthur_heywood_za
>>> Tanzania* +255-773669393 OR +255 673150252
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
&

Re: [Dhis2-devs] [Dhis2-users] Looking for Human Resource System to integrate with DHIS

[Bob Jolliffe]

t;
>>> Cheers
>>> Bob
>>>
>>> On 8 October 2016 at 07:13, Arthur Heywood 
>>> wrote:
>>>> Lungo
>>>> Good to hear from you ... long time no see
>>>> Thanks for this  can you tell me where we have a SUCCESSFUL
>>>> implementation where one can actually get IHRIS data through DHIS and
>>>> make
>>>> integrated indicators, use IHRIS indicators for Bottleneck analysis etc
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>> Arthur
>>>>
>>>> **Without deviation from the norm, there can be no progress* *(Frank
>>>> Zappa)
>>>> *Skype* arthur_heywood_za
>>>> Tanzania* +255-773669393 OR +255 673150252
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 5 October 2016 at 06:54, Juma Lungo  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Arthur,
>>>>>
>>>>> I would recommend iHRIS.
>>>>>
>>>>> It has many features, integrates nicely with DHIS2, implemented in many
>>>>> countries and it is being supported by an active community working
>>>>> closely
>>>>> with DHIS2 developers.
>>>>>
>>>>> Lungo
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 
>>>>> From: Calle Hedberg 
>>>>> To: Arthur Heywood 
>>>>> Cc: dhis2-users ; dhis2-devs
>>>>> ; gerald thomas
>>>>> ;
>>>>> Seleman Ally 
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 4, 2016 10:20 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Dhis2-devs] [Dhis2-users] Looking for Human Resource
>>>>> System
>>>>> to integrate with DHIS
>>>>>
>>>>> Arthur,
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not directly involved with the HRIS work using DHIS, my current
>>>>> focus
>>>>> is on a fully integrated disease surveillance system. Will find out and
>>>>> get
>>>>> back to you.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards
>>>>> Calle
>>>>>
>>>>> On 4 October 2016 at 15:15, Arthur Heywood 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Calle
>>>>> In Zambia we are also looking to set up what you call a "core" Human
>>>>> Resource HMIS ... mainly to do some "Bottleneck analysis" for our MDGi
>>>>> districts ...
>>>>>
>>>>> Are we able to use a beta version and see what we are able to adapt it
>>>>> to
>>>>> our needs (same people being called different professional jobs  etc)
>>>>> and
>>>>> then feed back into the development process interesting to know how
>>>>> far
>>>>> you have progressed?
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers
>>>>> a
>>>>>
>>>>> **Without deviation from the norm, there can be no progress* *(Frank
>>>>> Zappa)
>>>>> *Skype* arthur_heywood_za
>>>>> Tanzania* +255-773669393 OR +255 673150252
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 26 August 2016 at 23:08, Calle Hedberg 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Laura,
>>>>>
>>>>> The two main HRIS component designs "within" DHIS2 are the HRHIS in
>>>>> Tanzania and another in Vietnam (John Lewis or Morten will be able to
>>>>> tell
>>>>> you more about that one).
>>>>>
>>>>> South Africa is currently using a customised Tracker app for managing
>>>>> Community Service and Internships (around 10,000 graduates are applying
>>>>> for
>>>>> internship or Community Service posts per annum).
>>>>>
>>>>> We are also working on a "core" workforce registry tightly integrated
>>>>> with
>>>>> DHIS2. By "core" I mean it will only deal with actual HR resources
>>>>> including
>>>>> position, what they are licensed/authorised to do, and contact details.
>>>>> Things like continuous education, bursaries, payroll, etc are
>>>>> processed/managed by other systems. A major advantage of tight
>>>

Re: [Dhis2-devs] [Dhis2-users] Looking for Human Resource System to integrate with DHIS

[Carl Leitner]

e 20 indicators
>>>> of interest but you have 1000s of facilities.  As soon as the orgunits
>>>> start diverging the interoperability starts falling apart.  I think
>>>> there was also some interesting work done in Bihar on this problem.
>>>> 
>>>> One conventionasl "wisdom" that has done the rounds over the past few
>>>> years is that a separate facility registry is the solution to this.  I
>>>> am less sure.  In practice you now find that whereas before the
>>>> problem was harmonizing between 2 systems, now it becomes more complex
>>>> because you have 3 :-)  Add more with LMIS etc ..
>>>> 
>>>> So 2 alternative approaches emerge:
>>>> 1. retreat to dhis2 and try and do everything there - sometimes this
>>>> sort of works for many things (which is better than most), but it has
>>>> obvious limits and I don't believe can serve as the basis of long term
>>>> strategy to solve all problems
>>>> 2.  insist that any system that sends data to dhis2 treats dhis2 as
>>>> the authoritative source of facility registry data.  If only they
>>>> would :-)  Unfortunately dhis2 view of the
>>>> physical/geographic/administrative world of the health system can
>>>> diverge sometimes significantly from that of an HRIS system - think of
>>>> MOH employees at offices not involved in health service delivery for
>>>> example.  So there are local arrangements and understandings to be
>>>> made, but in general I think this path holds the most potential,
>>>> 
>>>> In practice I think we have to concede the problems have been unsolved
>>>> for now.  Unless someone can point me otherwise.  The challenge seems
>>>> on the surface to be technically fairly trivial,  But beneath lurk
>>>> demons.
>>>> 
>>>> Cheers
>>>> Bob
>>>> 
>>>> On 8 October 2016 at 07:13, Arthur Heywood 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> Lungo
>>>>> Good to hear from you ... long time no see
>>>>> Thanks for this  can you tell me where we have a SUCCESSFUL
>>>>> implementation where one can actually get IHRIS data through DHIS and
>>>>> make
>>>>> integrated indicators, use IHRIS indicators for Bottleneck analysis etc
>>>>> 
>>>>> Regards
>>>>> Arthur
>>>>> 
>>>>> **Without deviation from the norm, there can be no progress* *(Frank
>>>>> Zappa)
>>>>> *Skype* arthur_heywood_za
>>>>> Tanzania* +255-773669393 OR +255 673150252
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 5 October 2016 at 06:54, Juma Lungo  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi Arthur,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I would recommend iHRIS.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> It has many features, integrates nicely with DHIS2, implemented in many
>>>>>> countries and it is being supported by an active community working
>>>>>> closely
>>>>>> with DHIS2 developers.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Lungo
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> From: Calle Hedberg 
>>>>>> To: Arthur Heywood 
>>>>>> Cc: dhis2-users ; dhis2-devs
>>>>>> ; gerald thomas
>>>>>> ;
>>>>>> Seleman Ally 
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 4, 2016 10:20 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Dhis2-devs] [Dhis2-users] Looking for Human Resource
>>>>>> System
>>>>>> to integrate with DHIS
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Arthur,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I'm not directly involved with the HRIS work using DHIS, my current
>>>>>> focus
>>>>>> is on a fully integrated disease surveillance system. Will find out and
>>>>>> get
>>>>>> back to you.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>> Calle
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 4 October 2016 at 15:15, Arthur Heywood 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Calle
>>>>>> In Zambia we are also looking to se

Re: [Dhis2-devs] [Dhis2-users] Looking for Human Resource System to integrate with DHIS

[Arthur Heywood]

;
> One thing you need to take note is, even though right now you are looking
> for a minimum functions for a HR system, the moment you implement demands
> will increase. This is where iHRIS is the best option.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Lungo
>
>
> 
> From: Bob Jolliffe  >
> To: Arthur Heywood  >
> Cc: Juma Lungo  >; dhis2-users
>  >; "
> calle.hedb...@gmail.com
> "
>  >; dhis2-devs <
> dhis2-devs@lists.launchpad.net
> >
> Sent: Saturday, October 8, 2016 7:45 AM
> Subject: Re: [Dhis2-users] [Dhis2-devs] Looking for Human Resource System
> to
> integrate with DHIS
>
> Hi Arthur
>
> Carl will probably be able to point you to various cases where this
> has been done with dhis2 and ihris.  I am familiar with examples from
> Zanzibar, Kenya and Rwanda which sort of worked but none of which
> could fairly be described as successful in the sense of sustained use
> as far as I know.
>
> I think the main tricky bit to get right is the harmonization of
> health facilities in the two systems not just as one off, but with
> processes to keep them harmonized.  You might only have 20 indicators
> of interest but you have 1000s of facilities.  As soon as the orgunits
> start diverging the interoperability starts falling apart.  I think
> there was also some interesting work done in Bihar on this problem.
>
> One conventionasl "wisdom" that has done the rounds over the past few
> years is that a separate facility registry is the solution to this.  I
> am less sure.  In practice you now find that whereas before the
> problem was harmonizing between 2 systems, now it becomes more complex
> because you have 3 :-)  Add more with LMIS etc ..
>
> So 2 alternative approaches emerge:
> 1. retreat to dhis2 and try and do everything there - sometimes this
> sort of works for many things (which is better than most), but it has
> obvious limits and I don't believe can serve as the basis of long term
> strategy to solve all problems
> 2.  insist that any system that sends data to dhis2 treats dhis2 as
> the authoritative source of facility registry data.  If only they
> would :-)  Unfortunately dhis2 view of the
> physical/geographic/administrative world of the health system can
> diverge sometimes significantly from that of an HRIS system - think of
> MOH employees at offices not involved in health service delivery for
> example.  So there are local arrangements and understandings to be
> made, but in general I think this path holds the most potential,
>
> In practice I think we have to concede the problems have been unsolved
> for now.  Unless someone can point me otherwise.  The challenge seems
> on the surface to be technically fairly trivial,  But beneath lurk
> demons.
>
> Cheers
> Bob
>
> On 8 October 2016 at 07:13, Arthur Heywood  >
> wrote:
>
> Lungo
> Good to hear from you ... long time no see
> Thanks for this  can you tell me where we have a SUCCESSFUL
> implementation where one can actually get IHRIS data through DHIS and
> make
> integrated indicators, use IHRIS indicators for Bottleneck analysis etc
>
> Regards
> Arthur
>
> **Without deviation from the norm, there can be no progress* *(Frank
> Zappa)
> *Skype* arthur_heywood_za
> Tanzania* +255-773669393 OR +255 673150252
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 5 October 2016 at 06:54, Juma Lungo  > wrote:
>
>
> Hi Arthur,
>
> I would recommend iHRIS.
>
> It has many features, integrates nicely with DHIS2, implemented in many
> countries and it is being supported by an active community working
> closely
> with DHIS2 developers.
>
> Lungo
>
>
> 
> From: Calle Hedberg  >
> To: Arthur Heywood  >
> Cc: dhis2-users  >;
> dhis2-devs
>  >; gerald
> thomas
>  >;
> Seleman Ally  >
> Sent: Tuesday, October 4, 2016 10:20 PM
> Subject: Re: [Dhis2-devs] [Dhis2-users] Looking for Human Resource
> System
> to integrate with DHIS
>
> Arthur,
>
> I'm not directly involved with the HRIS work using DHIS, my current
> focus
> is on a fully integrated disease surveillance system. Will find out and
> get
> back to you.
>
> Regards
> Calle
>
> On 4 October 2016 at 15:15, Arthur Heywood  >
> wrote:
>
> Calle
> In Zambia we are also looking to set up what you call a "core" Human
> Resource HMIS ... mainly to do some "Bottleneck analysis" for our MDGi
> districts ...
>
> Are we able to use a beta version and see what we are able to adapt it
> to
> our needs (same people being called different professional jobs  etc)
> and
> 

Re: [Dhis2-devs] [Dhis2-users] Looking for Human Resource System to integrate with DHIS

[gerald thomas]

Raphael,
Please share

On 10/11/16, Raphael Pundo  wrote:
> All,
> In case on is interested, Kenya has integrated the iHRIS (Aggregate Data)
> with DHIS2 using  the Master Facility List Code as the Primary Key. I can
> provide more info
>
> Regards
> Raphael
>
> On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 8:49 AM, Arthur Heywood 
> wrote:
>
>> Prosper
>> good to know .
>> BUT
>> On the other hand, this is a great example of not thinking about USE of
>> data . UNICEF is  proposing bottleneck analysis that needs HR data
>> ...
>> yet there is no  automatically  genersted quality / usable HR data in one
>> place ..
>>
>> Sounds like we need to quickly sit down and start to get aggregated data
>> directly out of IHRIS so we can make bottleneck analysis . I hope
>> this
>> January workshop will provide this opportunity
>>
>> Cheers
>> A
>>
>> On Saturday, 8 October 2016, Prosper BT  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Arthur,
>>>
>>> For bottleneck analysis using HR indicators/data element, HISP Uganda
>>> with UNICEF support use aggregate HR DHIS2 dataset, we have not managed
>>> to
>>> integrate iHRS data yet.
>>>
>>> [image: Inline image 1]
>>>
>>> On Sat, Oct 8, 2016 at 8:17 AM, Arthur Heywood 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Carl
 We do not need detailed data  what was described as "core HRHIS" is
 more than good enough  aggregate data with no details so that we can
 do
 workload indicators, Bottleneck analysis etc within DHIS, using
 imported
 data
 I would really like to see this in practice somewhere  any ideas
 where this integration is actually working already?

 Regards
 Arthur

 *Without deviation from the norm, there can be no progress***
 *(Frank Zappa)*
 *Skype* arthur_heywood_za
 Tanzania* +255-773669393 OR +255 673150252









 On 5 October 2016 at 14:56, Carl Leitner  wrote:

> Hey Arthur,
> Let me know if you would like to talk about this.  If you are keen on
> doing everything in DHSI2 (rather than an separate HRIS system, such
> as
> iHRIS) then there are some existing standard data models for health
> worker
> information that it would be good to model your data elements after.
>
> Are you looking more for the aggregate number of HWs or do you need
> information on the HWs themselves?
> Cheers,
> -carl
>
>
>
> On Oct 4, 2016, at 4:20 PM, Calle Hedberg 
> wrote:
>
> Arthur,
>
> I'm not directly involved with the HRIS work using DHIS, my current
> focus is on a fully integrated disease surveillance system. Will find
> out
> and get back to you.
>
> Regards
> Calle
>
> On 4 October 2016 at 15:15, Arthur Heywood 
> wrote:
>
>> Calle
>> In Zambia we are also looking to set up what you call a "core" Human
>> Resource HMIS ... mainly to do some "Bottleneck analysis" for our
>> MDGi
>> districts ...
>>
>> Are we able to use a beta version and see what we are able to adapt
>> it
>> to our needs (same people being called different professional jobs
>> etc)
>>  and then feed back into the development process interesting to
>> know
>> how far you have progressed?
>>
>> Cheers
>> a
>>
>> *Without deviation from the norm, there can be no progress***
>> *(Frank Zappa)*
>> *Skype* arthur_heywood_za
>> Tanzania* +255-773669393 OR +255 673150252
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 26 August 2016 at 23:08, Calle Hedberg 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Laura,
>>>
>>> The two main HRIS component designs "within" DHIS2 are the HRHIS in
>>> Tanzania and another in Vietnam (John Lewis or Morten will be able to
>>> tell
>>> you more about that one).
>>>
>>> South Africa is currently using a customised Tracker app for
>>> managing
>>> Community Service and Internships (around 10,000 graduates are
>>> applying for
>>> internship or Community Service posts per annum).
>>>
>>> We are also working on a "core" workforce registry tightly
>>> integrated
>>> with DHIS2. By "core" I mean it will only deal with actual HR
>>> resources
>>> including position, what they are licensed/authorised to do, and
>>> contact
>>> details. Things like continuous education, bursaries, payroll, etc
>>> are
>>> processed/managed by other systems. A major advantage of tight
>>> integration
>>> will be the ability to use DHIS2 communication and messages + user
>>> registration to communicate directly with health workers - in
>>> particular
>>> since health workers increasingly will be interacting directly with
>>> DHIS2
>>> on a daily basis through (daily) capturing of routine data, disease
>>> notifications, various Tracker apps (browser or Android), etc.
>>>
>>> Your basic requireme

Re: [Dhis2-devs] [Dhis2-users] Looking for Human Resource System to integrate with DHIS

[Carl Leitner]

This may be of interest as you consider HRH indicators:

http://www.capacityplus.org/files/resources/HRH_Indicator_Compendium.pdf 

Cheers,
-carl



> On Oct 11, 2016, at 7:38 AM, Raphael Pundo  wrote:
> 
> Dear Arthur,
> 
> Below are some of responses:
> 
> do you have a set of indicators using HR data within the DHIS2 ? 
> Yes we a set of HR Indicators in the DHIS that are being tracked. Similarly, 
> there are HR/Service delivery indicators
> are you able to do bottleneck analysis for UNICEF? 
> So far, there had NOT been any request from UNICEF on bottleneck analysis
> If yes, where do you source the commodity data ?
> Regards,
> Raphael
> 
> 
> On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 1:04 PM, Arthur Heywood  > wrote:
> Raphael 
> This is a good best practice that you are using a shared facility list and 
> then have the two softwares talking to each other .. 
> My next question is about what you (and other countries) are DOING with the 
> combined HR and DHIS data once you have got the technology talking?... 
> do you have a set of indicators using HR data within the DHIS2 ? 
> are you able to do bottleneck analysis for UNICEF? 
> If yes, where do you source the commodity data ?
> Anyone with some implementation cases using HR data ??
> workload... SA 
> ??? 
> Regards 
> Arthur
> On Tuesday, 11 October 2016, Raphael Pundo  > wrote:
> All,
> In case on is interested, Kenya has integrated the iHRIS (Aggregate Data) 
> with DHIS2 using  the Master Facility List Code as the Primary Key. I can 
> provide more info 
> 
> Regards
> Raphael
> 
> On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 8:49 AM, Arthur Heywood > 
> wrote:
> Prosper 
> good to know . 
> BUT 
> On the other hand, this is a great example of not thinking about USE of data 
> . UNICEF is  proposing bottleneck analysis that needs HR data ... yet 
> there is no  automatically  genersted quality / usable HR data in one place 
> .. 
> 
> Sounds like we need to quickly sit down and start to get aggregated data 
> directly out of IHRIS so we can make bottleneck analysis . I hope this 
> January workshop will provide this opportunity 
> 
> Cheers
> A
> 
> On Saturday, 8 October 2016, Prosper BT > wrote:
> Hi Arthur,
> 
> For bottleneck analysis using HR indicators/data element, HISP Uganda with 
> UNICEF support use aggregate HR DHIS2 dataset, we have not managed to 
> integrate iHRS data yet.
> 
> 
> 
> On Sat, Oct 8, 2016 at 8:17 AM, Arthur Heywood > 
> wrote:
> Carl 
> We do not need detailed data  what was described as "core HRHIS" is more 
> than good enough  aggregate data with no details so that we can do 
> workload indicators, Bottleneck analysis etc within DHIS, using imported data 
> I would really like to see this in practice somewhere  any ideas where 
> this integration is actually working already?
> 
> Regards
> Arthur
> 
> **Without deviation from the norm, there can be no progress* *(Frank Zappa)
> *Skype* arthur_heywood_za
> Tanzania* +255-773669393  OR +255 673150252 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 5 October 2016 at 14:56, Carl Leitner > wrote:
> Hey Arthur,
> Let me know if you would like to talk about this.  If you are keen on doing 
> everything in DHSI2 (rather than an separate HRIS system, such as iHRIS) then 
> there are some existing standard data models for health worker information 
> that it would be good to model your data elements after.   
> 
> Are you looking more for the aggregate number of HWs or do you need 
> information on the HWs themselves?
> Cheers,
> -carl
> 
> 
> 
>> On Oct 4, 2016, at 4:20 PM, Calle Hedberg > wrote:
>> 
>> Arthur,
>> 
>> I'm not directly involved with the HRIS work using DHIS, my current focus is 
>> on a fully integrated disease surveillance system. Will find out and get 
>> back to you.
>> 
>> Regards
>> Calle
>> 
>> On 4 October 2016 at 15:15, Arthur Heywood > 
>> wrote:
>> Calle 
>> In Zambia we are also looking to set up what you call a "core" Human 
>> Resource HMIS ... mainly to do some "Bottleneck analysis" for our MDGi 
>> districts ...
>> 
>> Are we able to use a beta version and see what we are able to adapt it to 
>> our needs (same people being called different professional jobs  etc)  and 
>> then feed back into the development process interesting to know how far 
>> you have progressed?
>> 
>> Cheers
>> a
>> 
>> **Without deviation from the norm, there can be no progress* *(Frank Zappa)
>> *Skype* arthur_heywood_za
>> Tanzania* +255-773669393  OR +255 673150252 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 26 August 2016 at 23:08, Calle Hedberg > wrote:
>> Laura,
>> 
>> The two main HRIS component designs "within" DHIS2 are the HRHIS in Tanzania 
>> and another in Vietnam (John Lewis or Morten will be able to tell you more 
>> about that one). 
>> 
>> South Africa is currently using a customised Tracker app for managing 
>> Community S

Re: [Dhis2-devs] [Dhis2-users] Looking for Human Resource System to integrate with DHIS

[Carl Leitner]

I think Wnajala is referring to the following:
  http://www.who.int/hrh/statistics/Health_workers_classification.pdf 

it is a subset of the ISCO-08 codes.

There is some more discussion on this here:
   
http://www.capacityplus.org/files/resources/establishing-using-data-standards-health-workforce-information-systems.pdf
 



Note that these classifications are automatically in iHRIS and the MOH can map 
their job/cadre classifications to these quite easily. 
   
Cheers,
-carl



> On Oct 11, 2016, at 2:27 AM, Arthur Heywood  wrote:
> 
> Wanjala 
> VERY good start for a standard list 
> Can you share it with us please 
> Regards
> Arthur
> 
> On Tuesday, 11 October 2016, wanjala pepela  > wrote:
> iHRIS always have detailed information and personalized information that are 
> confidential but what is required for exchange is aggregated information; # 
> are ideal, May be countries need to share  common cadres of staff available 
> or my recommendation is to use the WHO- recommended 16 main cadres to collect 
> which will be useful for analysis;
>  
> PEPELA WANJALA
> MINISTRY OF HEALTH HEADQUARTERS
> HEALTH SECTOR MONITORING & EVALUATION - AMRO- KENYA CHAIRMAN
> AFYA HOUSE, LG 37
> P.O BOX 30016, NAIROBI, KENYA
> TEL: +254 (020) 2717077 EXT 45097
> CELL: +254 (0) 722375633 
> EMAIL: wanjal...@yahoo.com 
> , wanjal...@gmail.com 
> 
> h...@health.go.ke 
> , meunit...@gmail.com 
> 
>  "HealthInformation Management - Making a World of Difference”
>  
> 
> 
> From: Arthur Heywood  >
> To: Prosper BT  > 
> Cc: dhis2-users  >; Calle 
> Hedberg  >; dhis2-devs 
>  >
> Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 8:49 AM
> Subject: [Dhis2-users] Looking for Human Resource System to integrate with
> DHIS
> 
> Prosper 
> good to know . 
> BUT 
> On the other hand, this is a great example of not thinking about USE of data 
> . UNICEF is  proposing bottleneck analysis that needs HR data ... yet 
> there is no  automatically  genersted quality / usable HR data in one place 
> .. 
> 
> Sounds like we need to quickly sit down and start to get aggregated data 
> directly out of IHRIS so we can make bottleneck analysis . I hope this 
> January workshop will provide this opportunity 
> 
> Cheers
> A
> 
> On Saturday, 8 October 2016, Prosper BT > wrote:
> Hi Arthur,
> 
> For bottleneck analysis using HR indicators/data element, HISP Uganda with 
> UNICEF support use aggregate HR DHIS2 dataset, we have not managed to 
> integrate iHRS data yet.
> 
> 
> 
> On Sat, Oct 8, 2016 at 8:17 AM, Arthur Heywood > 
> wrote:
> Carl 
> We do not need detailed data  what was described as "core HRHIS" is more 
> than good enough  aggregate data with no details so that we can do 
> workload indicators, Bottleneck analysis etc within DHIS, using imported data 
> I would really like to see this in practice somewhere  any ideas where 
> this integration is actually working already?
> 
> Regards
> Arthur
> 
> **Without deviation from the norm, there can be no progress* *(Frank Zappa)
> *Skype* arthur_heywood_za
> Tanzania* +255-773669393 <> OR +255 673150252 <>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 5 October 2016 at 14:56, Carl Leitner > wrote:
> Hey Arthur,
> Let me know if you would like to talk about this.  If you are keen on doing 
> everything in DHSI2 (rather than an separate HRIS system, such as iHRIS) then 
> there are some existing standard data models for health worker information 
> that it would be good to model your data elements after.   
> 
> Are you looking more for the aggregate number of HWs or do you need 
> information on the HWs themselves?
> Cheers,
> -carl
> 
> 
> 
>> On Oct 4, 2016, at 4:20 PM, Calle Hedberg > wrote:
>> 
>> Arthur,
>> 
>> I'm not directly involved with the HRIS work using DHIS, my current focus is 
>> on a fully integrated disease surveillance system. Will find out and get 
>> back to you.
>> 
>> Regards
>> Calle
>> 
>> On 4 October 2016 at 15:15, Arthur Heywood > 
>> wrote:
>> Calle 
>> In Zambia we are also looking to set up what you call a "core" Human 
>> Resource HMIS ... mainly to do some "Bottleneck analysis" for our MDGi 
>> districts ...
>> 
>> Are we able to use a beta version and see what we are able to adapt it to 
>> our needs (same people being called different professional jobs  etc)  and 
>> then feed back into the development process interesting to know how far 
>> you have progressed?
>> 
>> Cheers
>> a
>> 
>> **Without deviation from the norm, there can be no progress* *(Frank Zappa)
>> *Skype* arthur_heywood_za
>> Tanzania* +255-773669393 <> OR +255 673150252 <>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 26 August 2016 at 23:08, Calle Hedberg > wrote:
>> Laura,
>> 
>> The two main HRIS component designs "within" DHIS2 are the HRHIS in Tanzani

Re: [Dhis2-devs] [Dhis2-users] Looking for Human Resource System to integrate with DHIS

[Arthur Heywood]

Carl
this is a good start  we will obviously only need a fraction of these
indicators, but the ones we use should conform to the standards and formats
outlined here

Cheers
A

*Without deviation from the norm, there can be no progress*** *(Frank
Zappa)*
*Skype* arthur_heywood_za
Tanzania* +255-773669393 OR +255 673150252









On 14 October 2016 at 21:28, Carl Leitner  wrote:

> This may be of interest as you consider HRH indicators:
> http://www.capacityplus.org/files/resources/HRH_Indicator_Compendium.pdf
> Cheers,
> -carl
>
>
>
> On Oct 11, 2016, at 7:38 AM, Raphael Pundo  wrote:
>
> Dear Arthur,
>
> Below are some of responses:
>
>
>- do you have a set of indicators using HR data within the DHIS2 ?
>
> Yes we a set of HR Indicators in the DHIS that are being tracked.
> Similarly, there are HR/Service delivery indicators
>
>- are you able to do bottleneck analysis for UNICEF?
>
> So far, there had NOT been any request from UNICEF on bottleneck analysis
>
>- If yes, where do you source the commodity data ?
>
> Regards,
> Raphael
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 1:04 PM, Arthur Heywood 
> wrote:
>
>> Raphael
>> This is a good best practice that you are using a shared facility list
>> and then have the two softwares talking to each other ..
>> My next question is about what you (and other countries) are DOING with
>> the combined HR and DHIS data once you have got the technology talking?...
>>
>>- do you have a set of indicators using HR data within the DHIS2 ?
>>- are you able to do bottleneck analysis for UNICEF?
>>- If yes, where do you source the commodity data ?
>>
>> Anyone with some implementation cases using HR data ??
>>
>>- workload... SA
>>- ???
>>
>> Regards
>> Arthur
>> On Tuesday, 11 October 2016, Raphael Pundo  wrote:
>>
>>> All,
>>> In case on is interested, Kenya has integrated the iHRIS (Aggregate
>>> Data) with DHIS2 using  the Master Facility List Code as the Primary Key. I
>>> can provide more info
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Raphael
>>>
>>> On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 8:49 AM, Arthur Heywood >> > wrote:
>>>
 Prosper
 good to know .
 BUT
 On the other hand, this is a great example of not thinking about USE of
 data . UNICEF is  proposing bottleneck analysis that needs HR data ...
 yet there is no  automatically  genersted quality / usable HR data in one
 place ..

 Sounds like we need to quickly sit down and start to get aggregated
 data directly out of IHRIS so we can make bottleneck analysis . I hope
 this January workshop will provide this opportunity

 Cheers
 A

 On Saturday, 8 October 2016, Prosper BT  wrote:

> Hi Arthur,
>
> For bottleneck analysis using HR indicators/data element, HISP Uganda
> with UNICEF support use aggregate HR DHIS2 dataset, we have not managed to
> integrate iHRS data yet.
>
> 
>
> On Sat, Oct 8, 2016 at 8:17 AM, Arthur Heywood <
> arthurheyw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Carl
>> We do not need detailed data  what was described as "core HRHIS"
>> is more than good enough  aggregate data with no details so that we 
>> can
>> do workload indicators, Bottleneck analysis etc within DHIS, using 
>> imported
>> data
>> I would really like to see this in practice somewhere  any ideas
>> where this integration is actually working already?
>>
>> Regards
>> Arthur
>>
>> *Without deviation from the norm, there can be no progress***
>> *(Frank Zappa)*
>> *Skype* arthur_heywood_za
>> Tanzania* +255-773669393 OR +255 673150252
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 5 October 2016 at 14:56, Carl Leitner 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Arthur,
>>> Let me know if you would like to talk about this.  If you are keen
>>> on doing everything in DHSI2 (rather than an separate HRIS system, such 
>>> as
>>> iHRIS) then there are some existing standard data models for health 
>>> worker
>>> information that it would be good to model your data elements after.
>>>
>>> Are you looking more for the aggregate number of HWs or do you need
>>> information on the HWs themselves?
>>> Cheers,
>>> -carl
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Oct 4, 2016, at 4:20 PM, Calle Hedberg 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Arthur,
>>>
>>> I'm not directly involved with the HRIS work using DHIS, my current
>>> focus is on a fully integrated disease surveillance system. Will find 
>>> out
>>> and get back to you.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Calle
>>>
>>> On 4 October 2016 at 15:15, Arthur Heywood 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Calle
 In Zambia we are also looking to set up what you call a "core"
 Human Resource HMIS ... mainly to do some "Bottleneck analysis" for our
 MDGi districts ...

 Are we able to use a beta version

Re: [Dhis2-devs] [Dhis2-users] Looking for Human Resource System to integrate with DHIS

[Arthur Heywood]

Carl
again a good list of HR categories and good for a HR database to follow
As far as I know, the main emphasis of the Bottleneck analysis is on
professional staff  so these will be the main ones we will need to
import into DHIS2

Regards
Arthur

*Without deviation from the norm, there can be no progress*** *(Frank
Zappa)*
*Skype* arthur_heywood_za
Tanzania* +255-773669393 OR +255 673150252









On 14 October 2016 at 21:33, Carl Leitner  wrote:

> I think Wnajala is referring to the following:
>   http://www.who.int/hrh/statistics/Health_workers_classification.pdf
> it is a subset of the ISCO-08 codes.
>
> There is some more discussion on this here:
>http://www.capacityplus.org/files/resources/establishing-
> using-data-standards-health-workforce-information-systems.pdf
>
>
> Note that these classifications are automatically in iHRIS and the MOH can
> map their job/cadre classifications to these quite easily.
>
> Cheers,
> -carl
>
>
>
> On Oct 11, 2016, at 2:27 AM, Arthur Heywood 
> wrote:
>
> Wanjala 
> VERY good start for a standard list
> Can you share it with us please
> Regards
> Arthur
>
> On Tuesday, 11 October 2016, wanjala pepela  wrote:
>
>> iHRIS always have detailed information and personalized information that
>> are confidential but what is required for exchange is aggregated
>> information; # are ideal, May be countries need to share  common cadres of
>> staff available or my recommendation is to use the WHO- recommended 16 main
>> cadres to collect which will be useful for analysis;
>>
>> PEPELA WANJALA
>> *MINISTRY OF HEALTH HEADQUARTERS*
>> *HEALTH SECTOR MONITORING & EVALUATION - AMRO- KENYA CHAIRMAN*
>> *AFYA HOUSE, LG 37*
>> *P.O BOX 30016, NAIROBI, KENYA*
>> *TEL: +254 (020) 2717077 EXT 45097
>> <%2B254%20%28020%29%202717077%20EXT%2045097>*
>> *CELL: +254 (0) 722375633 <%2B254%20%280%29%20722375633> *
>> *EMAIL: wanjal...@yahoo.com, wanjal...@gmail.com*
>> *h...@health.go.ke, *meunit...@gmail.com
>>  *"HealthInformation Management - Making a World of Difference”*
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> *From:* Arthur Heywood 
>> *To:* Prosper BT 
>> *Cc:* dhis2-users ; Calle Hedberg <
>> calle.hedb...@gmail.com>; dhis2-devs 
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 11, 2016 8:49 AM
>> *Subject:* [Dhis2-users] Looking for Human Resource System to integrate
>> with DHIS
>>
>> Prosper
>> good to know .
>> BUT
>> On the other hand, this is a great example of not thinking about USE of
>> data . UNICEF is  proposing bottleneck analysis that needs HR data ...
>> yet there is no  automatically  genersted quality / usable HR data in one
>> place ..
>>
>> Sounds like we need to quickly sit down and start to get aggregated data
>> directly out of IHRIS so we can make bottleneck analysis . I hope this
>> January workshop will provide this opportunity
>>
>> Cheers
>> A
>>
>> On Saturday, 8 October 2016, Prosper BT  wrote:
>>
>> Hi Arthur,
>>
>> For bottleneck analysis using HR indicators/data element, HISP Uganda
>> with UNICEF support use aggregate HR DHIS2 dataset, we have not managed to
>> integrate iHRS data yet.
>>
>> 
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 8, 2016 at 8:17 AM, Arthur Heywood 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Carl
>> We do not need detailed data  what was described as "core HRHIS" is
>> more than good enough  aggregate data with no details so that we can do
>> workload indicators, Bottleneck analysis etc within DHIS, using imported
>> data
>> I would really like to see this in practice somewhere  any ideas
>> where this integration is actually working already?
>>
>> Regards
>> Arthur
>>
>> *Without deviation from the norm, there can be no progress***
>> *(Frank Zappa)*
>> *Skype* arthur_heywood_za
>> Tanzania* +255-773669393 OR +255 673150252
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>> On 5 October 2016 at 14:56, Carl Leitner  wrote:
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>> Hey Arthur,
>> Let me know if you would like to talk about this.  If you are keen on
>> doing everything in DHSI2 (rather than an separate HRIS system, such as
>> iHRIS) then there are some existing standard data models for health worker
>> information that it would be good to model your data elements after.
>>
>> Are you looking more for the aggregate number of HWs or do you need
>> information on the HWs themselves?
>> Cheers,
>> -carl
>>
>>
>>
>> On Oct 4, 2016, at 4:20 PM, Calle Hedberg 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Arthur,
>>
>> I'm not directly involved with the HRIS work using DHIS, my current focus
>> is on a fully integrated disease surveillance system. Will find out and get
>> back to you.
>>
>> Regards
>> Calle
>>
>> On 4 October 2016 at 15:15, Arthur Heywood 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Calle
>> In Zambia we are also looking to set up what you call a "core" Human
>> Resource HMIS ... mainly to do some "Bottleneck analysis" for our MDGi
>> districts ...
>>
>> Are we able to use a beta version and see what we are able to adapt it to
>> our needs (same people being called different professional jobs  etc)  and
>> then feed back into the development pr

Re: [Dhis2-devs] [Dhis2-users] Looking for Human Resource System to integrate with DHIS

[Carl Leitner]

One of the difficulties in getting iHRIS->DHIS2 reporting done is getting the 
UIDs of the right indicators (and disaggreagators).  Perhaps it would be nice 
to have WHO indicators easily installable to DHIS2 with fixed UIDs and 
disaggregated by gender.  

I know it’s not quite the intention for the apps, but perhaps we can do 
something with an app to install the metadata and perhaps a few sample graphs?

Cheers,
-carl



> On Oct 15, 2016, at 1:52 AM, Arthur Heywood  wrote:
> 
> Carl 
> again a good list of HR categories and good for a HR database to follow 
> As far as I know, the main emphasis of the Bottleneck analysis is on 
> professional staff  so these will be the main ones we will need to import 
> into DHIS2 
> 
> Regards
> Arthur
> 
> **Without deviation from the norm, there can be no progress* *(Frank Zappa)
> *Skype* arthur_heywood_za
> Tanzania* +255-773669393 OR +255 673150252
> 
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> On 14 October 2016 at 21:33, Carl Leitner  > wrote:
> I think Wnajala is referring to the following:
>   http://www.who.int/hrh/statistics/Health_workers_classification.pdf 
> 
> it is a subset of the ISCO-08 codes.
> 
> There is some more discussion on this here:
>
> http://www.capacityplus.org/files/resources/establishing-using-data-standards-health-workforce-information-systems.pdf
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> Note that these classifications are automatically in iHRIS and the MOH can 
> map their job/cadre classifications to these quite easily. 
>
> Cheers,
> -carl
> 
> 
> 
>> On Oct 11, 2016, at 2:27 AM, Arthur Heywood > > wrote:
>> 
>> Wanjala 
>> VERY good start for a standard list 
>> Can you share it with us please 
>> Regards
>> Arthur
>> 
>> On Tuesday, 11 October 2016, wanjala pepela > > wrote:
>> iHRIS always have detailed information and personalized information that are 
>> confidential but what is required for exchange is aggregated information; # 
>> are ideal, May be countries need to share  common cadres of staff available 
>> or my recommendation is to use the WHO- recommended 16 main cadres to 
>> collect which will be useful for analysis;
>>  
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>> 
>> From: Arthur Heywood >
>> To: Prosper BT > 
>> Cc: dhis2-users >; Calle Hedberg 
>> >; dhis2-devs >
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 8:49 AM
>> Subject: [Dhis2-users] Looking for Human Resource System to integrate with   
>> DHIS
>> 
>> Prosper 
>> good to know . 
>> BUT 
>> On the other hand, this is a great example of not thinking about USE of data 
>> . UNICEF is  proposing bottleneck analysis that needs HR data ... yet 
>> there is no  automatically  genersted quality / usable HR data in one place 
>> .. 
>> 
>> Sounds like we need to quickly sit down and start to get aggregated data 
>> directly out of IHRIS so we can make bottleneck analysis . I hope this 
>> January workshop will provide this opportunity 
>> 
>> Cheers
>> A
>> 
>> On Saturday, 8 October 2016, Prosper BT > wrote:
>> Hi Arthur,
>> 
>> For bottleneck analysis using HR indicators/data element, HISP Uganda with 
>> UNICEF support use aggregate HR DHIS2 dataset, we have not managed to 
>> integrate iHRS data yet.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Sat, Oct 8, 2016 at 8:17 AM, Arthur Heywood > 
>> wrote:
>> Carl 
>> We do not need detailed data  what was described as "core HRHIS" is more 
>> than good enough  aggregate data with no details so that we can do 
>> workload indicators, Bottleneck analysis etc within DHIS, using imported 
>> data 
>> I would really like to see this in practice somewhere  any ideas where 
>> this integration is actually working already?
>> 
>> Regards
>> Arthur
>> 
>> **Without deviation from the norm, there can be no progress* *(Frank Zappa)
>> *Skype* arthur_heywood_za
>> Tanzania* +255-773669393 <> OR +255 673150252 <>
>> 
>> 
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>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 5 October 2016 at 14:56, Carl Leitner > wrote:
>> Hey Arthur,
>> Let me know if you would like to talk about this.  If you are keen on doing 
>> everything in DHSI2 (rather than an separate HRIS system, such as iHRIS) 
>> then there are some existing standard data models for health worker 
>> information that it would be good to model your data elements after.   
>> 
>> Are you looking more for the aggregate number of HWs or do you need 
>> information on