Re: D on GDC announced on reddit
Le 07/10/2011 17:49, Trass3r a écrit : Hell, they didn't even know about clang even though they were progressive enough to use C++0x. I once had a university professor who openly admitted C was the only language he knew - and yet he didn't even understand how C's null-terminated strings work. So he didn't really even know that one language. Had a workmate who apparently was real good at using C for microprocessor programming. But he didn't have the slightest clue about how C++ works and what OOP overhead really means. And when I used Lua to create a small conversion script (which was only needed cause the legacy code was crap, hardcoded paths and the like) that even turned into some kind of running gag. I don't need to say that nobody had ever heard of it nor was anyone willing to try it out before judging. You can do function pointer in C and thus, do OOP manually. He probably already did that without really knowing this is OOP.
Re: D on GDC announced on reddit
On Fri, 07 Oct 2011 17:11:45 +0200, Nick Sabalausky a@a.a wrote: Trass3r u...@known.com wrote in message news:op.v2ze74ma3ncmek@enigma... Now D is also quite cool, I would just like for the language compilers to be a bit more stable. They have been vastly improving, really. Currently I do have more sucess proposing C++11 based solutions as Go or D based ones, on the type of corporate environment I work in. That's not D's or Go's fault. Most guys especially in bigger corporations are plain ignorant and wear blinders. Strangely that even applies to universities. Not real surprising. Universities can be *enormously* ignorant and conceited. (Community colleges too...my god, some of the flaming egos and politics around there are mind-boggling, especially considering it's *just* a CC...) Hell, they didn't even know about clang even though they were progressive enough to use C++0x. I once had a university professor who openly admitted C was the only language he knew - and yet he didn't even understand how C's null-terminated strings work. So he didn't really even know that one language. I helped a friend with some assignments from a professor who wrote absolutely unreadable code, and who taught students to use int[101] to allocate 100 ints, because he couldn't grasp indexing from 0 to 99. I also really liked the assignment where we were told of a mythical processor that would multiply 2 NxN matrices in O(N^4) time. -- Simen
Re: D on GDC announced on reddit
Simen Kjaeraas Wrote: On Fri, 07 Oct 2011 17:11:45 +0200, Nick Sabalausky a@a.a wrote: Trass3r u...@known.com wrote in message news:op.v2ze74ma3ncmek@enigma... Now D is also quite cool, I would just like for the language compilers to be a bit more stable. They have been vastly improving, really. Currently I do have more sucess proposing C++11 based solutions as Go or D based ones, on the type of corporate environment I work in. That's not D's or Go's fault. Most guys especially in bigger corporations are plain ignorant and wear blinders. Strangely that even applies to universities. Not real surprising. Universities can be *enormously* ignorant and conceited. (Community colleges too...my god, some of the flaming egos and politics around there are mind-boggling, especially considering it's *just* a CC...) Hell, they didn't even know about clang even though they were progressive enough to use C++0x. I once had a university professor who openly admitted C was the only language he knew - and yet he didn't even understand how C's null-terminated strings work. So he didn't really even know that one language. I helped a friend with some assignments from a professor who wrote absolutely unreadable code, and who taught students to use int[101] to allocate 100 ints, because he couldn't grasp indexing from 0 to 99. I also really liked the assignment where we were told of a mythical processor that would multiply 2 NxN matrices in O(N^4) time. -- Simen Those who know, work with it. Those who don't know, teach it.
Re: D on GDC announced on reddit
On 10.10.2011 22:35, Simen Kjaeraas wrote: On Fri, 07 Oct 2011 17:11:45 +0200, Nick Sabalausky a@a.a wrote: Trass3r u...@known.com wrote in message news:op.v2ze74ma3ncmek@enigma... Now D is also quite cool, I would just like for the language compilers to be a bit more stable. They have been vastly improving, really. Currently I do have more sucess proposing C++11 based solutions as Go or D based ones, on the type of corporate environment I work in. That's not D's or Go's fault. Most guys especially in bigger corporations are plain ignorant and wear blinders. Strangely that even applies to universities. Not real surprising. Universities can be *enormously* ignorant and conceited. (Community colleges too...my god, some of the flaming egos and politics around there are mind-boggling, especially considering it's *just* a CC...) Hell, they didn't even know about clang even though they were progressive enough to use C++0x. I once had a university professor who openly admitted C was the only language he knew - and yet he didn't even understand how C's null-terminated strings work. So he didn't really even know that one language. I helped a friend with some assignments from a professor who wrote absolutely unreadable code, and who taught students to use int[101] to allocate 100 ints, because he couldn't grasp indexing from 0 to 99. I also really liked the assignment where we were told of a mythical processor that would multiply 2 NxN matrices in O(N^4) time. Wow.. Looking forward to start my CS degree next year... :)
Re: D on GDC announced on reddit
On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 4:04 PM, Bane branimir.milosavlje...@gmail.com wrote: Simen Kjaeraas Wrote: On Fri, 07 Oct 2011 17:11:45 +0200, Nick Sabalausky a@a.a wrote: Trass3r u...@known.com wrote in message news:op.v2ze74ma3ncmek@enigma... Now D is also quite cool, I would just like for the language compilers to be a bit more stable. They have been vastly improving, really. Currently I do have more sucess proposing C++11 based solutions as Go or D based ones, on the type of corporate environment I work in. That's not D's or Go's fault. Most guys especially in bigger corporations are plain ignorant and wear blinders. Strangely that even applies to universities. Not real surprising. Universities can be *enormously* ignorant and conceited. (Community colleges too...my god, some of the flaming egos and politics around there are mind-boggling, especially considering it's *just* a CC...) Hell, they didn't even know about clang even though they were progressive enough to use C++0x. I once had a university professor who openly admitted C was the only language he knew - and yet he didn't even understand how C's null-terminated strings work. So he didn't really even know that one language. I helped a friend with some assignments from a professor who wrote absolutely unreadable code, and who taught students to use int[101] to allocate 100 ints, because he couldn't grasp indexing from 0 to 99. I also really liked the assignment where we were told of a mythical processor that would multiply 2 NxN matrices in O(N^4) time. -- Simen Those who know, work with it. Those who don't know, teach it. I'm at a research university, and I haven't really had this problem at all. I've had a professor teach us his commandments of multithreaded programming who admitted he used to be a bit of a hypocrite according to his own rules, but that's about it. I even have one professor who just came back from a one year sabbatical in which he worked at a startup.
Re: D on GDC announced on reddit
I like Go's simplicity and somehow I am attracted to it due to the some of its Oberon influences. Now, everyone with a proper computer science background will immediatly see that all the features that are sold as Go unique features, are already available for long time in other languages, only not in C or to a certain extent C++. Go might eventually become a nice C sucessor, but it will never be able to replace C++, Java, D, or any other current languages that offer much better programming abstractions. -- Paulo Jesse Phillips jessekphillip...@gmail.com wrote in message news:j6nh24$2deh$1...@digitalmars.com... Andrei Alexandrescu Wrote: http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/l3tk5/merging_in_the_gnu_d_language_compiler_to_gcc/ Andrei I like your comment about being in 1981. If I'm not mistaken, what he describes in this http://youtu.be/HxaD_trXwRE?t=7m55s is that toString is a Unique addition to Go.
Re: D on GDC announced on reddit
== Quote from Andrei Alexandrescu (seewebsiteforem...@erdani.org)'s article http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/l3tk5/merging_in_the_gnu_d_language_compiler_to_gcc/ Andrei Cool beans. Iain
Re: D on GDC announced on reddit
On 10/6/2011 9:39 PM, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/l3tk5/merging_in_the_gnu_d_language_compiler_to_gcc/ On Hacker News too: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3083125
Re: D on GDC announced on reddit
Am 07.10.2011, 11:27 Uhr, schrieb Walter Bright newshou...@digitalmars.com: On 10/6/2011 9:39 PM, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/l3tk5/merging_in_the_gnu_d_language_compiler_to_gcc/ On Hacker News too: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3083125 And again they immediately start with the Go vs. D discussions.
Re: D on GDC announced on reddit
That will always happen. My self I think that Go is a better C and D a better C++. It remains to be seen how much they will be able to take from C and C++. Personaly I have been spending most of the time with Go, because of its similarity with Oberon. It brings back some good memories. Now D is also quite cool, I would just like for the language compilers to be a bit more stable. Currently I do have more sucess proposing C++11 based solutions as Go or D based ones, on the type of corporate environment I work in. Anyway, nice work! Trass3r u...@known.com wrote in message news:op.v2zd1eb43ncmek@enigma... Am 07.10.2011, 11:27 Uhr, schrieb Walter Bright newshou...@digitalmars.com: On 10/6/2011 9:39 PM, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/l3tk5/merging_in_the_gnu_d_language_compiler_to_gcc/ On Hacker News too: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3083125 And again they immediately start with the Go vs. D discussions.
Re: D on GDC announced on reddit
Now D is also quite cool, I would just like for the language compilers to be a bit more stable. They have been vastly improving, really. Currently I do have more sucess proposing C++11 based solutions as Go or D based ones, on the type of corporate environment I work in. That's not D's or Go's fault. Most guys especially in bigger corporations are plain ignorant and wear blinders. Strangely that even applies to universities. Hell, they didn't even know about clang even though they were progressive enough to use C++0x.
Re: D on GDC announced on reddit
Trass3r u...@known.com wrote in message news:op.v2ze74ma3ncmek@enigma... Now D is also quite cool, I would just like for the language compilers to be a bit more stable. They have been vastly improving, really. Currently I do have more sucess proposing C++11 based solutions as Go or D based ones, on the type of corporate environment I work in. That's not D's or Go's fault. Most guys especially in bigger corporations are plain ignorant and wear blinders. Strangely that even applies to universities. Not real surprising. Universities can be *enormously* ignorant and conceited. (Community colleges too...my god, some of the flaming egos and politics around there are mind-boggling, especially considering it's *just* a CC...) Hell, they didn't even know about clang even though they were progressive enough to use C++0x. I once had a university professor who openly admitted C was the only language he knew - and yet he didn't even understand how C's null-terminated strings work. So he didn't really even know that one language.
Re: D on GDC announced on reddit
Hell, they didn't even know about clang even though they were progressive enough to use C++0x. I once had a university professor who openly admitted C was the only language he knew - and yet he didn't even understand how C's null-terminated strings work. So he didn't really even know that one language. Had a workmate who apparently was real good at using C for microprocessor programming. But he didn't have the slightest clue about how C++ works and what OOP overhead really means. And when I used Lua to create a small conversion script (which was only needed cause the legacy code was crap, hardcoded paths and the like) that even turned into some kind of running gag. I don't need to say that nobody had ever heard of it nor was anyone willing to try it out before judging.
Re: D on GDC announced on reddit
Andrei Alexandrescu Wrote: http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/l3tk5/merging_in_the_gnu_d_language_compiler_to_gcc/ Andrei I like your comment about being in 1981. If I'm not mistaken, what he describes in this http://youtu.be/HxaD_trXwRE?t=7m55s is that toString is a Unique addition to Go.
D on GDC announced on reddit
http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/l3tk5/merging_in_the_gnu_d_language_compiler_to_gcc/ Andrei
