Re: Let's celebrate Dlang on D day

[Murilo via Digitalmars-d-announce]

On Wednesday, 12 June 2019 at 00:33:47 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:

On 6/11/2019 5:11 PM, Murilo wrote:
Thanks, I tried it here in my country and people ignored both 
the Dlang event and D Day remembrance. I tried to gather 
everyone in a pub to give a talk but no one came. By the way, 
you are Walter Bright, the father of Dlang, it is such and 
honor to get to talk to you. I think it was a great idea you 
had to create this language, I really like it and I am trying 
to get more people to use it. By the way, you remind me of 
Breaking Bad cause your name sounds very similar to the name 
of the main character, Walter White. Cheers.


Thanks for giving it a try. I appreciate that!

You aren't the first to notice Walter Bright / Walter White!


By the way, Mr. Bright, I would like the cent and ucent data 
types to be implemented soon cause I need them. Would it be 
possible for you to do that?

Re: Let's celebrate Dlang on D day

[Walter Bright via Digitalmars-d-announce]

On 6/11/2019 11:03 PM, Nick Sabalausky (Abscissa) wrote:
My grandfather and *at least* one (to my immediate knowledge) of my great uncles 
were WW2 veterans. For all I know, they could have been D-Day, or any other 
involvement, but nobody in our family would ever know because they made a point 
of never talking about it (hence my uncertainty about how many more there may 
have been). One of them even declined a major award (purple star or metal of 
honor, was never clear on which)...or maybe it was that he was sent one, but 
never acknowledged it...either way, same sentiment.


They're both gone now for unrelated old-age reasons, but from what I've been 
able to piece together, the idea was that their participation was something that 
needed to be done, but should NEVER involve taking pride in - as that would be 
an unethical validation of war and the unspeakable actions that it made 
necessary. (That, and the whole "true heroes don't survive" thing.) Frankly, I 
think that's a rather appropriate attitude to take toward such service.


I understand the sentiment (as much as someone who was never in combat can), and 
respect your uncles for taking that path.

Re: Let's celebrate Dlang on D day

[Nick Sabalausky (Abscissa) via Digitalmars-d-announce]

On 5/25/19 1:03 AM, Walter Bright wrote:

On 5/24/2019 9:00 PM, Mike Franklin wrote:

On Saturday, 25 May 2019 at 03:22:50 UTC, Murilo wrote:
On the 6th of June(6/6) we celebrate the D day on Normandy, but I 
have decided to turn it into our own holiday to celebrate the D 
language.


I'm sure you mean well, but I will be spending D-Day remembering the 
sacrifice of these men: 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normandy_landings#/media/File:Normandy_American_Cemetery_and_Memorial,_June_2012.jpg 



Perhaps you could find a way to use the D language to honor them.


I think it's alright. I was invited to teach a D seminar in Holland a 
few years back around Memorial Day. They were happy to conflate the two 
(it was their idea), and the Dutch revere the sacrifice of the Allies on 
D-Day.


My father was a D-Day veteran, too, and I very much doubt he would have 
been offended by it. My Dutch friends were thrilled to find out my 
father was a vet, and they certainly would have shown him a good time 
had he come along. They even gave me some D-Day gifts.


The D for D-Day thing was all in good fun all around.

When I was a boy nobody cared my father was a vet. Everyone's dad was a 
vet. My neighbor next door was a paratrooper who'd lost his leg. My 
dad's best friend had his face burned off. It was kinda normal.


But in his later years, people started to acknowledge the remaining 
veterans, and my father really enjoyed that. If you are lucky enough to 
know one, tell him thanks. You'll make his day.




Wise words, but I'll add another perspective also worth noting:

My grandfather and *at least* one (to my immediate knowledge) of my 
great uncles were WW2 veterans. For all I know, they could have been 
D-Day, or any other involvement, but nobody in our family would ever 
know because they made a point of never talking about it (hence my 
uncertainty about how many more there may have been). One of them even 
declined a major award (purple star or metal of honor, was never clear 
on which)...or maybe it was that he was sent one, but never acknowledged 
it...either way, same sentiment.


They're both gone now for unrelated old-age reasons, but from what I've 
been able to piece together, the idea was that their participation was 
something that needed to be done, but should NEVER involve taking pride 
in - as that would be an unethical validation of war and the unspeakable 
actions that it made necessary. (That, and the whole "true heroes don't 
survive" thing.) Frankly, I think that's a rather appropriate attitude 
to take toward such service.

Re: Let's celebrate Dlang on D day

[Walter Bright via Digitalmars-d-announce]

On 6/11/2019 5:11 PM, Murilo wrote:
Thanks, I tried it here in my country and people ignored both the Dlang event 
and D Day remembrance. I tried to gather everyone in a pub to give a talk but no 
one came. By the way, you are Walter Bright, the father of Dlang, it is such and 
honor to get to talk to you. I think it was a great idea you had to create this 
language, I really like it and I am trying to get more people to use it. By the 
way, you remind me of Breaking Bad cause your name sounds very similar to the 
name of the main character, Walter White. Cheers.


Thanks for giving it a try. I appreciate that!

You aren't the first to notice Walter Bright / Walter White!

Re: Let's celebrate Dlang on D day

[Murilo via Digitalmars-d-announce]

On Saturday, 25 May 2019 at 05:03:40 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:

On 5/24/2019 9:00 PM, Mike Franklin wrote:

On Saturday, 25 May 2019 at 03:22:50 UTC, Murilo wrote:
On the 6th of June(6/6) we celebrate the D day on Normandy, 
but I have decided to turn it into our own holiday to 
celebrate the D language.


I'm sure you mean well, but I will be spending D-Day 
remembering the sacrifice of these men: 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normandy_landings#/media/File:Normandy_American_Cemetery_and_Memorial,_June_2012.jpg



Perhaps you could find a way to use the D language to honor 
them.


I think it's alright. I was invited to teach a D seminar in 
Holland a few years back around Memorial Day. They were happy 
to conflate the two (it was their idea), and the Dutch revere 
the sacrifice of the Allies on D-Day.


My father was a D-Day veteran, too, and I very much doubt he 
would have been offended by it. My Dutch friends were thrilled 
to find out my father was a vet, and they certainly would have 
shown him a good time had he come along. They even gave me some 
D-Day gifts.


The D for D-Day thing was all in good fun all around.

When I was a boy nobody cared my father was a vet. Everyone's 
dad was a vet. My neighbor next door was a paratrooper who'd 
lost his leg. My dad's best friend had his face burned off. It 
was kinda normal.


But in his later years, people started to acknowledge the 
remaining veterans, and my father really enjoyed that. If you 
are lucky enough to know one, tell him thanks. You'll make his 
day.


Thanks, I tried it here in my country and people ignored both the 
Dlang event and D Day remembrance. I tried to gather everyone in 
a pub to give a talk but no one came. By the way, you are Walter 
Bright, the father of Dlang, it is such and honor to get to talk 
to you. I think it was a great idea you had to create this 
language, I really like it and I am trying to get more people to 
use it. By the way, you remind me of Breaking Bad cause your name 
sounds very similar to the name of the main character, Walter 
White. Cheers.

Re: Let's celebrate Dlang on D day

[Mike Franklin via Digitalmars-d-announce]

On Saturday, 25 May 2019 at 21:56:57 UTC, Murilo wrote:


Sorry people


It's ok.  I know you meant well, and we're happy to have people 
in this community so passionate about D.


Mike

Re: Let's celebrate Dlang on D day

[Walter Bright via Digitalmars-d-announce]

This is getting way off topic, guys.

Re: Let's celebrate Dlang on D day

[Ola Fosheim Grøstad via Digitalmars-d-announce]

On Monday, 27 May 2019 at 05:34:55 UTC, Nick Sabalausky 
(Abscissa) wrote:
I suspect our closest hope may lie with something like this: 
 
Although, even that only seems a mere "step in the right 
direction", rather than a solution...(Under it,


It is hard to tell. IKEA is a foundation, it's creator insists 
that it is real, others might say that it is so for taxation 
reasons. Certainly for profit, yet has some social profile by not 
being "snobbish".


Here in Norway the COOP has become quite big over the years, but 
they are very much for profit, although are technically owned by 
their customers.


In the US you have FSF though, which totally changed the software 
industry in the 90s with the GPL. Granted BSD has since then 
gained ground, but I don't think that would have happened without 
the GPL to the same extent. I think the GPL created some sort of 
competition for attention in the software sector? GCC also 
totally undercut commercial compilers…


Kinda funny. (Unless you are a compiler publisher…)


the US: Anything that doesn't directly facilitate "money is 
power, might makes right" just gets labeled "communist" or 
"socialist" and rejected outright by the nationalist rednecks 
we've been overrun by ever since 9/11. (Go figure, they attack


Well, there was a lot of brainwashing on both sides during the 
cold war (until to 1990). It takes time for it to fade away, 
although the younger US generation that I see in youtube comment 
fields appears to be openminded?



had. Figures, coming from the same fine folks who brought the 
world such hits as "Puritanism", "Witch Trials" and "Shorten a


I think our situation is better when smaller parties get a say. 
When there is two big parties that switch roles then they become 
too smug, when a big party has to beg a small party for support 
then they become more humble…


But I guess parliamentarism would be difficult to establish in 
the US as the constitution seems to be revered by many as holy.

Re: Let's celebrate Dlang on D day

[Basile B. via Digitalmars-d-announce]

On Saturday, 25 May 2019 at 03:22:50 UTC, Murilo wrote:
On the 6th of June(6/6) we celebrate the D day on Normandy, but 
I have decided to turn it into our own holiday to celebrate the 
D language. So on this day please take the time to tell the 
world about this language and to invite more people into our 
community. I will try to give some talks at universities in 
order to get the attention of the people. I suggest you all do 
similar stuff. In the Dlang facebook group 
https://www.facebook.com/groups/662119670846705/ which has 
already reached 135 members, we will be doing lots of fun 
stuff. Please show up and join the group to participate. I will 
try to turn this into an actual holiday. I hope you can all 
help me out.


I dont think it's a good idea. One of mine grandpa served in the 
french Marine when they destroyed the ships at Toulon. The other 
went from algeria, from a spanish colony, to here...

This D day idea is completly stupid.

Re: Let's celebrate Dlang on D day

[Nick Sabalausky (Abscissa) via Digitalmars-d-announce]

On 5/26/19 9:16 PM, Ola Fosheim Grøstad wrote:

On Monday, 27 May 2019 at 00:56:50 UTC, Nick Sabalausky (Abscissa) wrote:
in defense against the benign. So congrats those pretending to be 
anti-Nazi while utilizing that to build the NEXT new fundamentalist 
regime.


I have to admit that I do use gmail, but I wonder if it is healthy that 
NSA have access to basically all letters exchanged by millions or 
billions of people across the globe…


But then… gmail is so convenient…

Convenience and a lack of principles is our weakness as a society. And 
we are all guilty at one level or another.
I run my own mail server, but I'll admit that has more to do with my own 
unique approach to spam prevention, and my dislike of webmail 
interfaces, than it does anything else. (And I do have gmail as a backup 
in case of server failure.)


No argument here, I'm just as guilty of the occasional sacrifice of 
principles for convenience as any other normally-headstrong brd (I 
didn't used to be...but then my 20's ended, and most of my 30's, and 
wouldn't you know...I ran out of my double-dose of teenage angst ;) Just 
wanna get by now, like any stereotypical late-30-something... ;) )


It's extremely difficult in modern society to stick to principles that 
matter. It really does put you at a notable disadvantage, which, I 
imagine, is why most people never even give it a second thought to begin 
with.


At least in the US, I've become convinced this is (at least in large 
part) a fundamental, inseparable, consequence of the legal guidelines 
ruling corporate entities (namely, the fact that profit is, by law, 
*required* to be a corporation's top priority).


I suspect our closest hope may lie with something like this: 
 Although, 
even that only seems a mere "step in the right direction", rather than a 
solution...(Under it, ethical/societal matters to be weighed must be 
spelled out during incorporation, otherwise they're still not legally 
permitted to be considered in decision-making, and there's apparently no 
requirement for even having any such clauses at all). But anything 
*better* than that (or even full-50-state-deployment as-is) is unlikely 
to ever happen in the US: Anything that doesn't directly facilitate 
"money is power, might makes right" just gets labeled "communist" or 
"socialist" and rejected outright by the nationalist rednecks we've been 
overrun by ever since 9/11. (Go figure, they attack us...and we respond 
by throwing away any credibility we ever had. Figures, coming from the 
same fine folks who brought the world such hits as "Puritanism", "Witch 
Trials" and "Shorten a War by Nuking Civilians - But Still Claim The 
Moral High-Ground")

Re: Let's celebrate Dlang on D day

[Ola Fosheim Grøstad via Digitalmars-d-announce]

On Monday, 27 May 2019 at 00:56:50 UTC, Nick Sabalausky 
(Abscissa) wrote:
in defense against the benign. So congrats those pretending to 
be anti-Nazi while utilizing that to build the NEXT new 
fundamentalist regime.


I have to admit that I do use gmail, but I wonder if it is 
healthy that NSA have access to basically all letters exchanged 
by millions or billions of people across the globe…


But then… gmail is so convenient…

Convenience and a lack of principles is our weakness as a 
society. And we are all guilty at one level or another.

Re: Let's celebrate Dlang on D day

[Nick Sabalausky (Abscissa) via Digitalmars-d-announce]

On 5/26/19 8:42 PM, Ola Fosheim Grøstad wrote:

On Monday, 27 May 2019 at 00:12:51 UTC, Nick Sabalausky (Abscissa) wrote:
Don't know about Europe, but here in the US, an unfortunate part of 
the basic culture is that people tend to spend their entire lives here 
going around LOOKING for reasons to be offended, and by golly, they 
WILL be CERTAIN to find it whether it exists or not.


Keep in mind that we in Europe still have a memory in society of nazi 
boots walking in our streets, ripping people out of their beds and 
sending them to concentration camps.


And we know there are some people in our society that are willing to 
pick up that ideology. A small group perhaps, but there is a 
subconscious fear that those will rise again in a new shape or form. It 
wasn't only Germans that were nazis, they were everywhere. They were 
among our own people too.


Here in the US we already have *leaders* with more or less that very 
same...I'm going to call it a mal-ideology. So, we're not in such 
terribly different boats. Arguably, US is closer to a repeat of that 
right now. Heck, look at the new "Federal ID" and modern TSA - it's 
basically 1930's "traveling papers" all over again, and just like then, 
everyone's too pumped full of nationalism bull ("U..S..A!..U..S..A!..") 
and scapegoat-searching to notice.


Further still, that same Nazi, or ISIS, or whatever other evil 
fundamentalist mal-ideology ALL stems directly from getting all bent out 
of shape over what's benign and setting as sacred cows in defense 
against the benign. So congrats those pretending to be anti-Nazi while 
utilizing that to build the NEXT new fundamentalist regime.

Re: Let's celebrate Dlang on D day

[Ola Fosheim Grøstad via Digitalmars-d-announce]

On Monday, 27 May 2019 at 00:12:51 UTC, Nick Sabalausky 
(Abscissa) wrote:
Don't know about Europe, but here in the US, an unfortunate 
part of the basic culture is that people tend to spend their 
entire lives here going around LOOKING for reasons to be 
offended, and by golly, they WILL be CERTAIN to find it whether 
it exists or not.


Keep in mind that we in Europe still have a memory in society of 
nazi boots walking in our streets, ripping people out of their 
beds and sending them to concentration camps.


And we know there are some people in our society that are willing 
to pick up that ideology. A small group perhaps, but there is a 
subconscious fear that those will rise again in a new shape or 
form. It wasn't only Germans that were nazis, they were 
everywhere. They were among our own people too.


So, demanding respect for those memorial days is also a way to 
reject anyone who would play with that ideology in our own time.

Re: Let's celebrate Dlang on D day

[Nick Sabalausky (Abscissa) via Digitalmars-d-announce]

On 5/25/19 5:56 PM, Murilo wrote:


Sorry people, I did not mean to disregard the heros of D Day. It is 
because I am latin american and here nobody cares about the second WW 
cause we didn't participate much. I didn't know that in the US you 
people had all of that respect for D Day.


Don't know about Europe, but here in the US, an unfortunate part of the 
basic culture is that people tend to spend their entire lives here going 
around LOOKING for reasons to be offended, and by golly, they WILL be 
CERTAIN to find it whether it exists or not.

Re: Let's celebrate Dlang on D day

[An American in Paris via Digitalmars-d-announce]

On Saturday, 25 May 2019 at 23:11:15 UTC, Russel Winder wrote:
It's not just the USA, D-Day is a very big deal in the UK and 
France.


D-Day it's Christmas day in France. When you get gifts.

Re: [OT] Let's celebrate Dlang on D day

[Les De Ridder via Digitalmars-d-announce]

On Saturday, 25 May 2019 at 23:11:15 UTC, Russel Winder wrote:
It's not just the USA, D-Day is a very big deal in the UK and 
France. I suspect also The Netherlands and Belgium, and 
probably other places in western Europe, including Germany.


Here in Belgium it gets some media attention, but people who 
aren't
(close relatives of) D-Day veterans don't generally actively 
celebrate

it.

Re: Let's celebrate Dlang on D day

[Russel Winder via Digitalmars-d-announce]

On Sat, 2019-05-25 at 21:56 +, Murilo via Digitalmars-d-announce
wrote:
[…]
> 
> Sorry people, I did not mean to disregard the heros of D Day. It 
> is because I am latin american and here nobody cares about the 
> second WW cause we didn't participate much. I didn't know that in 
> the US you people had all of that respect for D Day.

It's not just the USA, D-Day is a very big deal in the UK and France. I
suspect also The Netherlands and Belgium, and probably other places in
western Europe, including Germany.

Having said that, I believe there will be no problem hanging a D
programming language marketing activity on the D-Day celebrations if
the intention is to progress activities that help soldiers and/or
victims associated with the D-Day landing, or indeed anyone indirectly
associated with the landings. 

The issue here is to be subtle and sympathetic/empathetic.

-- 
Russel.
===
Dr Russel Winder  t: +44 20 7585 2200
41 Buckmaster Roadm: +44 7770 465 077
London SW11 1EN, UK   w: www.russel.org.uk



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Re: Let's celebrate Dlang on D day

[Murilo via Digitalmars-d-announce]

On Saturday, 25 May 2019 at 09:27:48 UTC, NaN wrote:

On Saturday, 25 May 2019 at 03:22:50 UTC, Murilo wrote:
On the 6th of June(6/6) we celebrate the D day on Normandy, 
but I have decided to turn it into our own holiday to 
celebrate the D language. So on this day please take the time 
to tell the world about this language and to invite more 
people into our community. I will try to give some talks at 
universities in order to get the attention of the people. I 
suggest you all do similar stuff. In the Dlang facebook group 
https://www.facebook.com/groups/662119670846705/ which has 
already reached 135 members, we will be doing lots of fun 
stuff. Please show up and join the group to participate. I 
will try to turn this into an actual holiday. I hope you can 
all help me out.


It's one thing if your doing something D related and want to 
pay your respects to D-Day remembrance because it happens to be 
on the same day. But dont do it the other way around, dont 
hijack D-Day remembrance to push DLang.


Sorry people, I did not mean to disregard the heros of D Day. It 
is because I am latin american and here nobody cares about the 
second WW cause we didn't participate much. I didn't know that in 
the US you people had all of that respect for D Day.

Re: Let's celebrate Dlang on D day

[NaN via Digitalmars-d-announce]

On Saturday, 25 May 2019 at 03:22:50 UTC, Murilo wrote:
On the 6th of June(6/6) we celebrate the D day on Normandy, but 
I have decided to turn it into our own holiday to celebrate the 
D language. So on this day please take the time to tell the 
world about this language and to invite more people into our 
community. I will try to give some talks at universities in 
order to get the attention of the people. I suggest you all do 
similar stuff. In the Dlang facebook group 
https://www.facebook.com/groups/662119670846705/ which has 
already reached 135 members, we will be doing lots of fun 
stuff. Please show up and join the group to participate. I will 
try to turn this into an actual holiday. I hope you can all 
help me out.


It's one thing if your doing something D related and want to pay 
your respects to D-Day remembrance because it happens to be on 
the same day. But dont do it the other way around, dont hijack 
D-Day remembrance to push DLang.

Re: Let's celebrate Dlang on D day

[Walter Bright via Digitalmars-d-announce]

It's still a good idea, however, to acknowledge the real D-Day veterans on any 
event on D-Day.

Re: Let's celebrate Dlang on D day

[Walter Bright via Digitalmars-d-announce]

On 5/24/2019 9:00 PM, Mike Franklin wrote:

On Saturday, 25 May 2019 at 03:22:50 UTC, Murilo wrote:
On the 6th of June(6/6) we celebrate the D day on Normandy, but I have decided 
to turn it into our own holiday to celebrate the D language.


I'm sure you mean well, but I will be spending D-Day remembering the sacrifice 
of these men: 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normandy_landings#/media/File:Normandy_American_Cemetery_and_Memorial,_June_2012.jpg 



Perhaps you could find a way to use the D language to honor them.


I think it's alright. I was invited to teach a D seminar in Holland a few years 
back around Memorial Day. They were happy to conflate the two (it was their 
idea), and the Dutch revere the sacrifice of the Allies on D-Day.


My father was a D-Day veteran, too, and I very much doubt he would have been 
offended by it. My Dutch friends were thrilled to find out my father was a vet, 
and they certainly would have shown him a good time had he come along. They even 
gave me some D-Day gifts.


The D for D-Day thing was all in good fun all around.

When I was a boy nobody cared my father was a vet. Everyone's dad was a vet. My 
neighbor next door was a paratrooper who'd lost his leg. My dad's best friend 
had his face burned off. It was kinda normal.


But in his later years, people started to acknowledge the remaining veterans, 
and my father really enjoyed that. If you are lucky enough to know one, tell him 
thanks. You'll make his day.

Re: Let's celebrate Dlang on D day

[Mike Franklin via Digitalmars-d-announce]

On Saturday, 25 May 2019 at 03:22:50 UTC, Murilo wrote:
On the 6th of June(6/6) we celebrate the D day on Normandy, but 
I have decided to turn it into our own holiday to celebrate the 
D language.


I'm sure you mean well, but I will be spending D-Day remembering 
the sacrifice of these men:  
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normandy_landings#/media/File:Normandy_American_Cemetery_and_Memorial,_June_2012.jpg


Perhaps you could find a way to use the D language to honor them.

Mike

Let's celebrate Dlang on D day

[Murilo via Digitalmars-d-announce]

On the 6th of June(6/6) we celebrate the D day on Normandy, but I 
have decided to turn it into our own holiday to celebrate the D 
language. So on this day please take the time to tell the world 
about this language and to invite more people into our community. 
I will try to give some talks at universities in order to get the 
attention of the people. I suggest you all do similar stuff. In 
the Dlang facebook group 
https://www.facebook.com/groups/662119670846705/ which has 
already reached 135 members, we will be doing lots of fun stuff. 
Please show up and join the group to participate. I will try to 
turn this into an actual holiday. I hope you can all help me out.