Re: [digitalradio] ARRL forwarding tagged as spam.
Assuming that spam filtering is automatically based on content is very naive; accusing someone of trying to restrict what you read based on that assumption is silly. I run my own mail server that has one of the most restrictive mail filters on the planet, and not one iota of the filters is based on content (except that no executables are allowed as raw attachments). Such filters are based on protocol violations that spammers never care about, but serious system administrators do. As a result (for example), my mail filters reject sales material from Sun Microsystems (until I added the sales group's mail server to the white list), while technical eMail from the technical side of the house gets through just fine. Does my filter occasionally reject eMail I want? Certainly, but that's due to the inept mail administrators at the sending company. I just whitelist such companies (usually my customers) and move on. Now, it's true that some spam filters use content to make a decision, but assuming that the ARRL uses such a filter may be incorrect. Most spam filters run at the mail server level do NOT filter on content, and those that DO filter on content, are filtering more on historical patterns of patently criminal behavior than innocent content. If you want to receive eMail from criminal organizations, that's your business, but I think the ARRL is correct in assuming that most amateurs don't. After all, the service IS optional !!! Assuming that those who are most against spam don't care about USPS junk mail is also completely erroneous. You are right about Microsoft, but that seems more like an off-topic rant (as does the rest of your message). Change eMail providers and move on. Sincerely, Dean On 2005-10-05 16:14, Harv Nelson wrote: Hi Andy Below, a copy of an Email I sent to Barry J. Shelley, N1VXY, Chief Financial Officer and Business Manager, ARRL, Inc. on September 1 ... just a day or two after they announced their new "service". Seems my apprehension was well grounded. Harv === My note to Barry J. Shelley, N1VXY, Chief Financial Officer and Business Manager, ARRL, Inc Dear Mr. Shelley In the past, I have dropped service from several ISP's precisely because of the filters they applied to my inbound mail and which you intend to use now. The problem is this: One man's SPAM is another man's political correspondence. Since I am a "left-winger", a "freethinker", an avowed and confirmed atheist, and a HAM, t'boot, I receive a goodly volume of email that other folks might consider offensive. Yet, I consider most of it to be thought provoking, "issue oriented", and insightful. Since the "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" address is a simple forwarding service, it is doubtful there will be any opportunity for me to "tune" the filters applied to my inbound mail. My "GMail" account, to which your forwarding service is directed, provides those filters that are tuneable to my specific needs. On the rare occasions when I do use "POP" mail, I have my own filters installed locally. And, they all function quite well. Thank you! I have no need for you, or anyone else, to monitor the kind of mail I receive, or its source ... to decide what is fit for me to read and what is not. I am an adult ... 63 years old. I am more offended by your efforts to shelter me and shield me from what YOU deem to be an offensive message, than I am by any explicit language or political invective that message may contain. I am more offended by your efforts to shield me from "viagra" and "boob job" ads, than I am by their content. I am more offended by your effort to shield me from the Nigerian "free money" offers, than I am by the idiot who sent me the message. (In fact, these money offers give me more of a hard-on than the Viagra! :-) I can do all this for myself. I have a "delete" key. Thank you ... but, again, NO! Thank you! Why is it that people will yell so loudly over what they perceive to be "SPAM" in their email, and then walk 1/2 mile to their RFD postal mailbox, carry home an arm load of "Junk Mail" which they toss in the trash ... without a whimper ... when the expense and effort entailed in its delivery is exponentially greater than that expended on SPAM? As to virus protections: Much of this problem is engendered by organizations, such as the ARRL, when they actively promote the Micro$oft computing monoculture by proclaiming in their advertisements for CD's, etc., that "Windows 98, or better is required" ... even when said CD contains nothing more than text or ".pdf" files, all easily readable with "Open Source" systems such as Linux and BSD. The ARRL could make a tremendous contribution to both the Ham Radio AND computing communities by promoting Open Source systems with the same effort and energy they give to promoting the Micro$oft monolith. Time for HAMs (at very least) to get off the M$ tit! T
Re: [digitalradio] ARRL forwarding tagged as spam. (a bit OT)
On 10/6/05, John Becker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Good points Harv. But I fail to see why anyone would use such an address as their primary email address. Matter of personal choice ... I have other addresses I use for other purposes. My ISP (sitting across the room from me) is set up in such a way that if I alter my return address in any way from what it is the ISP will kick it right back to me without sending it out. The point of my note to ARRL was that filtering control had been usurped and no chance given to tune the filters to individual needs. There is also many many ISP's and IP address that are " blocked " from this ISP for to reason of spaming. As part of my personal spam control I block *ALL* mail coming direct from any web based email service ( yahoo, hotmail, gmail) Including ARRL dot net and the list goes on Reason, 99.999% of these on line have an email account and address with their ISP Again, you PERSONALLY have control of YOUR filters. That is as it should be. The [EMAIL PROTECTED] does NOT allow this option. It is imposed by fiat from a club functionary ... a corporate interdict ... having no recourse or appeal. It may soon be the law of the land that you CAN NOT alter your return address... That will stop a lot of spam as well as hate mail. One mans "spam" is another guys commercial message. Hate mail in one mans eyes, is a love note in the eyes of another. We are all adults with logically reasoning minds (I hope). I'm willing to let you make those "spam"/"investment lead" and "hate mail"/"love note" decisions for yourself ... if you will allow me the same privilege. You have a delete key. Use it. You now know how to build your own rules for your own filters and firewalls. Share them with folks of like mind. But, don't impose them on me without giving me, at very least, the option to opt out. Making something "illegal" seldom stops the activity. It often encourages, and in some cases, even promotes those same activities. Sorry guys for being off topic Why? Sometimes the opportunity to share thoughts arises in unexpected places. John, WØJAB 73 Harv, AI9NL The K3UK DIGITAL MODES SPOTTING CLUSTER AT telnet://208.15.25.196/ More info at http:///www.obriensweb.com YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "digitalradio" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. The K3UK DIGITAL MODES SPOTTING CLUSTER AT telnet://208.15.25.196/ More info at http:///www.obriensweb.com SPONSORED LINKS Hobby and craft supply Craft hobby Hobbies and crafts Ham radio YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "digitalradio" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [digitalradio] Fw: [chip64] Hw about a Chip Weekend
Rick, I've only had a few QSO's with Chip, but I think it will find a niche. One major obstacle is the polar ionosphere and Chip seeems to do as well as MFSK and Olivia in that respect. Chip128 is especially good through Moe Wheatley's canned simulation for high-latitude conditions, but I guess there's no substitute for real-world testing. I suppose the selective fading and QRN found on 80 meters shows that MFSK, Olivia has an edge over Chip, but there may be other scenarios where Chip has an edge -- only time will tell. Compared to PSK31, Throb and MT63, Chip certainly does a better job through a simulated polar ionosphere. 73 Tony KT2Q - Original Message - From: Rick Williams To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 6:27 PM Subject: RE: [digitalradio] Fw: [chip64] Hw about a Chip Weekend Could some one explain the advantage of CHIP 64 over other modes? Thus far I have found, along with others that have worked with the mode, nothing to differentiate it. It does not work as well as MFSK16 on difficult/noisy paths such as nighttime 80 meters. Are there cases where it does perform better than existing digital modes? KV9U -Original Message-From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Andrew J. O'BrienSent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 17:20To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.comSubject: [digitalradio] Fw: [chip64] Hw about a Chip Weekend - Original Message - From: Stan To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 5:14 PM Subject: [chip64] Hw about a Chip Weekend I would like to proposed a Chip64 weekend. It would give us a chance to try out the software and meet each other.I would like to suggest Oct 15 - Oct 16Frequencies - 7070 ? 14077 ? 3583 ? 10134 ?Nothing firm about the dates or frequencies I am just throwing them out for other to consider. Stan AK0B The K3UK DIGITAL MODES SPOTTING CLUSTER AT telnet://208.15.25.196/ More info at http:///www.obriensweb.com YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "digitalradio" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[digitalradio] ARRL forwarding tagged as spam. (a bit OT)
Good points Harv. But I fail to see why anyone would use such an address as their primary email address. My ISP (sitting across the room from me) is set up in such a way that if I alter my return address in any way from what it is the ISP will kick it right back to me without sending it out. There is also many many ISP's and IP address that are " blocked " from this ISP for to reason of spaming. As part of my personal spam control I block *ALL* mail coming direct from any web based email service ( yahoo, hotmail, gmail) Including ARRL dot net and the list goes on Reason, 99.999% of these on line have an email account and address with their ISP It may soon be the law of the land that you CAN NOT alter your return address... That will stop a lot of spam as well as hate mail. Sorry guys for being off topic John, WØJAB Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/ELTolB/TM ~-> The K3UK DIGITAL MODES SPOTTING CLUSTER AT telnet://208.15.25.196/ More info at http:///www.obriensweb.com Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [digitalradio] olivia/chirp beacon
You can use data up to 3.750 on 80 meters, at least here in the states. - Original Message - From: Leigh L Klotz, Jr. To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 5:40 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] olivia/chirp beacon How about the upper end of 80m? It is a wasteland jsust waiting to be used. There is plenty of it even if you avoid 3675-3735 in case a Tech wants to get on CW.> somewhere around 1804/3582/7089 would No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.9/118 - Release Date: 10/3/2005 The K3UK DIGITAL MODES SPOTTING CLUSTER AT telnet://208.15.25.196/ More info at http:///www.obriensweb.com SPONSORED LINKS Hobby and craft supply Craft hobby Hobbies and crafts Ham radio YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "digitalradio" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [digitalradio] ARRL forwarding tagged as spam.
Hi Andy Below, a copy of an Email I sent to Barry J. Shelley, N1VXY, Chief Financial Officer and Business Manager, ARRL, Inc. on September 1 ... just a day or two after they announced their new "service". Seems my apprehension was well grounded. Harv === My note to Barry J. Shelley, N1VXY, Chief Financial Officer and Business Manager, ARRL, Inc Dear Mr. Shelley In the past, I have dropped service from several ISP's precisely because of the filters they applied to my inbound mail and which you intend to use now. The problem is this: One man's SPAM is another man's political correspondence. Since I am a "left-winger", a "freethinker", an avowed and confirmed atheist, and a HAM, t'boot, I receive a goodly volume of email that other folks might consider offensive. Yet, I consider most of it to be thought provoking, "issue oriented", and insightful. Since the "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" address is a simple forwarding service, it is doubtful there will be any opportunity for me to "tune" the filters applied to my inbound mail. My "GMail" account, to which your forwarding service is directed, provides those filters that are tuneable to my specific needs. On the rare occasions when I do use "POP" mail, I have my own filters installed locally. And, they all function quite well. Thank you! I have no need for you, or anyone else, to monitor the kind of mail I receive, or its source ... to decide what is fit for me to read and what is not. I am an adult ... 63 years old. I am more offended by your efforts to shelter me and shield me from what YOU deem to be an offensive message, than I am by any explicit language or political invective that message may contain. I am more offended by your efforts to shield me from "viagra" and "boob job" ads, than I am by their content. I am more offended by your effort to shield me from the Nigerian "free money" offers, than I am by the idiot who sent me the message. (In fact, these money offers give me more of a hard-on than the Viagra! :-) I can do all this for myself. I have a "delete" key. Thank you ... but, again, NO! Thank you! Why is it that people will yell so loudly over what they perceive to be "SPAM" in their email, and then walk 1/2 mile to their RFD postal mailbox, carry home an arm load of "Junk Mail" which they toss in the trash ... without a whimper ... when the expense and effort entailed in its delivery is exponentially greater than that expended on SPAM? As to virus protections: Much of this problem is engendered by organizations, such as the ARRL, when they actively promote the Micro$oft computing monoculture by proclaiming in their advertisements for CD's, etc., that "Windows 98, or better is required" ... even when said CD contains nothing more than text or ".pdf" files, all easily readable with "Open Source" systems such as Linux and BSD. The ARRL could make a tremendous contribution to both the Ham Radio AND computing communities by promoting Open Source systems with the same effort and energy they give to promoting the Micro$oft monolith. Time for HAMs (at very least) to get off the M$ tit! Thanks for the opportunity to vent ... once again 73 Harv Nelson, AI9NL Washburn, Wisconsin http://hamshack-hack.sourceforge.net/ PS: Just had an opportunity open and read some of my "Junk Mail" ... Thanks so much for sharing my membership and other personal information with the "US Bank National Association ND" of Fargo, ND! What frequency do those guys use for their nets? Hopefully, they won't sell my email addresses. That might make additional filtering of my emails necessary. HN On 10/5/05, Andrew J. O'Brien <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: We have found that some of the people that use email addresses supplied by the ARRL, e.g. [EMAIL PROTECTED] , ( an email forwarding service) are not getting some messages. Seems that the ARRL new anti-spam program is tagging a lot of things a spam when in fact it's not. Those of you that use the ARRL address to subscribe to this and simlilar lists, might want to make sure your email is being forwarded correctly. Andy and John Moderators. The K3UK DIGITAL MODES SPOTTING CLUSTER AT telnet://208.15.25.196/ More info at http:///www.obriensweb.com YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "digitalradio" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. The K3UK DIGITAL MODES SPOTTING CLUSTER AT telnet://208.15.25.196/ More info at http:///www.obriensweb.com SPONSORED LINKS Hobby and craft supply Craft hobby Hobbies and crafts Ham radio
[digitalradio] Re: Olivia announcement page
Maybe you stirred up the nest, Rich. The W6RK site has spots now from several stations dated 10/04/05. But not much activity for awhile before today. Maybe we're doing more listening than posting..? 73's All Steve KE8PA --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, "rich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > There is another Digimode only "spotter". > http://data.w6rk.com > > Was very active at one time but when I looked there this a.m. hadn't > been a post in a month or so. > 73 > Rich K2TFT Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/ELTolB/TM ~-> The K3UK DIGITAL MODES SPOTTING CLUSTER AT telnet://208.15.25.196/ More info at http:///www.obriensweb.com Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[digitalradio] ARRL forwarding tagged as spam.
We have found that some of the people that use email addresses supplied by the ARRL, e.g. [EMAIL PROTECTED] , ( an email forwarding service) are not getting some messages. Seems that the ARRL new anti-spam program is tagging a lot of things a spam when in fact it's not. Those of you that use the ARRL address to subscribe to this and simlilar lists, might want to make sure your email is being forwarded correctly. Andy and John Moderators. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/ELTolB/TM ~-> The K3UK DIGITAL MODES SPOTTING CLUSTER AT telnet://208.15.25.196/ More info at http:///www.obriensweb.com Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [digitalradio] Fw: [chip64] Hw about a Chip Weekend
Could some one explain the advantage of CHIP 64 over other modes? Thus far I have found, along with others that have worked with the mode, nothing to differentiate it. It does not work as well as MFSK16 on difficult/noisy paths such as nighttime 80 meters. Are there cases where it does perform better than existing digital modes? KV9U -Original Message-From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Andrew J. O'BrienSent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 17:20To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.comSubject: [digitalradio] Fw: [chip64] Hw about a Chip Weekend - Original Message - From: Stan To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 5:14 PM Subject: [chip64] Hw about a Chip Weekend I would like to proposed a Chip64 weekend. It would give us a chance to try out the software and meet each other.I would like to suggest Oct 15 - Oct 16Frequencies - 7070 ? 14077 ? 3583 ? 10134 ?Nothing firm about the dates or frequencies I am just throwing them out for other to consider. Stan AK0B The K3UK DIGITAL MODES SPOTTING CLUSTER AT telnet://208.15.25.196/ More info at http:///www.obriensweb.com SPONSORED LINKS Hobby and craft supply Craft hobby Hobbies and crafts Ham radio YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "digitalradio" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[digitalradio] Fw: [chip64] Hw about a Chip Weekend
- Original Message - From: Stan To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 5:14 PM Subject: [chip64] Hw about a Chip Weekend I would like to proposed a Chip64 weekend. It would give us a chance to try out the software and meet each other.I would like to suggest Oct 15 - Oct 16Frequencies - 7070 ? 14077 ? 3583 ? 10134 ?Nothing firm about the dates or frequencies I am just throwing them out for other to consider. Stan AK0B The K3UK DIGITAL MODES SPOTTING CLUSTER AT telnet://208.15.25.196/ More info at http:///www.obriensweb.com YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "digitalradio" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [digitalradio] olivia/chirp beacon
How about the upper end of 80m? It is a wasteland jsust waiting to be used. There is plenty of it even if you avoid 3675-3735 in case a Tech wants to get on CW. > somewhere around 1804/3582/7089 would Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/ELTolB/TM ~-> The K3UK DIGITAL MODES SPOTTING CLUSTER AT telnet://208.15.25.196/ More info at http:///www.obriensweb.com Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[digitalradio] olivia/chirp beacon
a non legal thought its not gonna be much of a mode test, if you are on a dead band...6/10 if you are in attendance, then why not just call cq a bunch. text: cq cq cq (mode) test transmission. please qrx or send e-mail to ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) AR don't think this will break any laws, and you don't have to use qrp if you don't want to. and of course any mode u run will be no wider than ssb. somewhere around 1804/3582/7089 would probably acceptable. david/wd4kpd looking to reply. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/ELTolB/TM ~-> The K3UK DIGITAL MODES SPOTTING CLUSTER AT telnet://208.15.25.196/ More info at http:///www.obriensweb.com Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[digitalradio] Re Stream
Hello Nino, I use your Stream V.1.1 program, which is nice. Because the MFSK16 mode in general is not always easy to tune, I think it would help stations receiving me if my Idle Tone at the beginning of each transmission was a bit longer than the 1 second default. Perhaps two or three seconds long to give the other guy more time to click on to it. I believe it needs a password to alter the setting Could you please send it to me so that I can change it? Incidentally, congratulations on your CHIP64 Program It has many nice features, and everyone is trying it out ! Many Thanks 73 Bernard Spencer G3SMW Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/ELTolB/TM ~-> The K3UK DIGITAL MODES SPOTTING CLUSTER AT telnet://208.15.25.196/ More info at http:///www.obriensweb.com Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
