[digitalradio] Is It OK To Be A Lid During Digital Contests?

2006-09-28 Thread expeditionradio
> John w0jab wrote:  
> But one must remember that on a contest weekend
> it's pretty much all agreements are off. Ever try to get
> a PSK  or RTTY signal on the air in a CW weekend...  

Hi John,

QST, CQ Amateur Radio Magazine, and some ham organisations promote
top-scoring DX contesting as the 'pinnacle of excellence in ham radio
operation'. 

But, contesting is known for "King of the Mountain" lid-like 
behavior, where little signals are trampled by big signals, and 
the general result is unfortunately, not operating excellence. 

Until recently, most DX contests have used primarily the legacy modes
CW, SSB, and RTTY. But now we see an increase in PSK and other new
Digital signals being used in contests.

I wonder if we should carry the traditional contesting tactics into
the new culture of Digital contesting? 

Does "lid chaos" deserve a place in our digital future: 
ignoring bandplans, 
transmitting on IARU beacons, 
frequency fights,
QRMing each other, 
splattering broad signals, and 
no safe-haven frequency area in each band for non-contesters? 

Or should we forge a more civilised digital contesting ethos?

Bonnie Crystal KQ6XA

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[digitalradio] Soundcard digital voice (WinDRM).

2006-09-28 Thread Andrew O'Brien
While I trying to get my first digital voice QSO, I did some reading on the
WinDRM Google group.  I found this post, and it appears to be the type of
info that most rookies will struggle with.  So, I am reporting it here just
in case anyone is interested in trying DV.
Andy K3UK

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This is how I transmit digital voice with one soundcard.

1 - I have my soundcard wav out audio connected to my desktop speakers (My
speakers have a push button ON/OFF) and my Westmountain rigblaster though Y
connector.
The rigblaster is connected to the Mic in of my FT847.
The WinDRM provides a serial line now that you can connect to a relay to
turn off the speaker audio on transmission.
But I currently use the pushbutton on the front of the speaker.

2 - I have the audio from the radio's line-out jack on the back of the radio
to the soundcards line in though a matching transformer.

3 - I have a desktop mic (You know one of those white computer mics) plugged
into the mic-in of the sound card.

As you can see that's pretty much the same as the psk31 setup.

Now to use the WinDRM Software.

1 - I went into WinDRM/Soundcard/Mixer settings.
2 - Selected Line-In on RX
3 - Selected Microphone on TX

The above settings lets WinDRM control the Recording Mixer devices on
transmit and receive.

Now to the part that most people seem to have a big problem when using a
single soundcard.

Windows provides 2 sets of Mixer controls.
1 - Playback controls
2 - Recording Controls

Lets 1st talk about the Playback controls
All playback devices need to be muted but WAV(Wav out) and PlayControl

The WAV out and Play Contol provide the WinDRM transmitted audio to the
radio.
It also provides the decoded Audio playback from the DRM  Digital voice
received signal.

Now, Lets talk about the Windows Recording controls.
The only 2 devices that will be used in recording controls are the Lin-In
and Mic-In.
WinDRM controls these 2 devices.  So you should not have to add any check
marks or activate these devices yourself.

If for some reason you have other recording devices active.  You are going
to have to uncheck those devices.

Note:  If you are using a program such as Total Recorder".  You are going to
have to go back and select the Windows Soundcard driver instead of "Total
Recorders Driver" and again make sure none of the recording mixer devices
are checked other then the lin-in on receive or mic-in on transmit.

Now the way the program works to receive the Digital Voice.

Stations A transmits his voice by:

1 - Mute the computer speaker by pushing the button on the speaker or may be
(done automatic by serial port).
2 - Click on the TX Voice button and begin speaking into the Mic.
3 - The WinDRM dispaly window should change showing your voice peaks with a
red line at the top.
You may need to adjust you recording control mic-in slide while you are
speaking to get the voice peaks between half and 3/4 up to the red line.

Station B
1 - Should now be decoding the audio if the STATE lites are all lited (Black
dot in all State Indicators).
If WinDRM has selected the correct input audio device in recording controls
mixer pannel connected to the radio and the only devices un-muted in the
playback are the WAV and Playback controls.
If you are hearing the loud rush of the Radio's audio.  Then you did not
mute line-in under the playback mixer.
The loud rore of the radio audio pretty much over poweres the D/V audio and
you will not hear it.

If you are hearing Station A's D/V but in the background you are also
hearing a lound rush of audio.
Then station A number one did not mute his speakers at the time of
transmission or he too did not mute all the controls under playback but the
WAV and Play devices or he has more then one device selected under playback
controls.

Note:I'ver been using the term "Play Control device" for playback mixer.
 Sometimes this is called "Master".

Once you are receiving audio.  You can clean up the pops a little and make
it sound a little bit better by
going into the WinDRM RX settings and select filter.  This brings the audio
very close to telephone quality.

Well Mark.
You're probably very confused now.  If not or if you would like to try some
D/V.
You can find Mel K0PFX,  Jason N1SU or myself playing with D/V most days
between 17:00 and 19:00 UTC on 14.236 kHz.
We rather play D/V then send pictures.

73
Ron KA2HZO


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[digitalradio] Re: WinDRM voice tonight anyone?

2006-09-28 Thread Ed Hekman
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, "Andrew O'Brien" 
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>
> I am interested in trying my first digital voice QSO, using WINDRM, 
anyone
> want to also try it tonight ?

I just discovered WinDRM tonight and would like to try it but I don't 
get home until after 7PM PDST.  I will listen around 7290 - 7299 in 
the evenings the next few nights.

You can usually contact me on EchoLink when I am in the shack.

Ed
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Re: [digitalradio] Re: WinDRM voice tonight anyone?

2006-09-28 Thread Andrew O'Brien
Ed.  I will give you a shout on Echolink.  I may also try it with my
neighbour who is also a ham (we should have a good signal to noise
ratio!) .   I heard no signals last night , did you?

Andy K3UK


On 9/28/06, Ed Hekman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>
>
>
>
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> --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, "Andrew O'Brien"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > I am interested in trying my first digital voice QSO, using WINDRM,
> anyone
> > want to also try it tonight ?
>
> I just discovered WinDRM tonight and would like to try it but I don't
> get home until after 7PM PDST. I will listen around 7290 - 7299 in
> the evenings the next few nights.
>
> You can usually contact me on EchoLink when I am in the shack.
>
> Ed
> WB6YTE
>


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[digitalradio] PSKMail Live cd distro

2006-09-28 Thread Per
Hi,

A new experimental version of a live cd for PSKMail is
now available. This cd allows "any" pc to boot a
working linux system that is ready for use as a
PSKMail client.
What OS is on your harddisk is of no relevance, you
dont even need a HD for this to work. For hardware
requirements please read on.

Bear in mind that this is an experimental distro and
as such there may be issues and surprising "features"
in there.

The cd is based upon Mandriva 2006 and more info
regarding hardware requirements can be found on their
website here:
http://www.mandriva.com/community/mandrivaone

The distro contains a whole lot of stuff, some of it
is:
PSKMail, client for pskmail system
gMFSK, multimode HF terminal (PSK31, 63, MT63, MFSK
etc)
tlf, for logging
kde 3.4, firefox and evolution etc.

The live distro is avaliable at:
http://www.crusefalk.se/psklive.htm

73 de Per, sm0rwo


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Re: [digitalradio] Re: WinDRM voice tonight anyone?

2006-09-28 Thread KV9U
I also did not hear any digital signals up at 7.296 USB. I did transmit 
some test signals as it appears you can send a text message and also if 
you are able to copy and lock on a transmitting station, you can see 
their call sign and other parameters.

73,

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Andrew O'Brien wrote:

>Ed.  I will give you a shout on Echolink.  I may also try it with my
>neighbour who is also a ham (we should have a good signal to noise
>ratio!) .   I heard no signals last night , did you?
>
>Andy K3UK
>
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Re: [digitalradio] Is It OK To Be A Lid During Digital Contests?

2006-09-28 Thread kd4e
> I wonder if we should carry the traditional contesting tactics into
> the new culture of Digital contesting? 
> Or should we forge a more civilised digital contesting ethos?

If it is a *contest* digital modes will be used
by *contesters* and they will follow the same
win-at-any-price methodology because it is
about proving their superiority, not about the
best interest of the Ham fraternity.

It is not that contesters are not fine Hams otherwise,
it is that contests trigger a Machiavellian mindset
wherein which it becomes non-contact warfare where
almost anything goes.

Absent enforced regulations it is magical thinking
to imagine that in the heat of a contest that
contesters will behave other than as they always have.

*If* contest sponsors set more strict rules and
*if* there are OO's who issue citations and *if*
contest sponsors delete points for citations then
*perhaps* things might change.

The probability of all of that is a little like
getting politicians to stop running mostly negative
ads.  They work so there is no incentive.

IMHO, YMMV ...

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Re: [digitalradio] Is It OK To Be A Lid During Digital Contests?

2006-09-28 Thread Bill Turner
ORIGINAL MESSAGE:

On Thu, 28 Sep 2006 08:22:10 -, "expeditionradio"
 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>Or should we forge a more civilised digital contesting ethos?

 REPLY FOLLOWS 

By "we", if you mean yourself, myself and the members of this
reflector, the answer is no, simply because we can not do it.

The one and only way to improve contester's ethical behavior on the
air is for the contest sponsors to publicly disqualify violators. So
far, they have all been *extremely* reluctant to do so. I'm not sure
why this is, but it is.

I suggest writing or emailing the contest sponsors demanding
enforcement of violations. In the case of ARRL-sponsored contests,
write your division director and let him know that you vote and you
will remember how he responded. Encourage your friends to do the same.

Nothing else will do.

Bill, W6WRT



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[digitalradio] Re: WinDRM voice tonight anyone?

2006-09-28 Thread Ed Hekman
Andy,

I didn't hear any signals last night either.  After I wrote that 
post I realized that EchoLink uses one of the sound cards required 
for WinDRM.  It will take a few minutes to set up another USB sound 
card for EchoLink tonight.

How is the evening propagation on 40M?  If we don't connect tonight 
or tomorrow night, we can try 14.238 MHz on Saturday.

Ed
WB6YTE

--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, "Andrew O'Brien" 
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> Ed.  I will give you a shout on Echolink.  I may also try it with 
my
> neighbour who is also a ham (we should have a good signal to noise
> ratio!) .   I heard no signals last night , did you?
> 
> Andy K3UK







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[digitalradio] Is WinDRM a good name?

2006-09-28 Thread Bill Turner
I personally have no objections to "WinDRM", but I know Microsoft is
fanatical about the use of "Windows" or anything close to it. As you
may recall, LogWindows was forced to change its name, as was Lindows,
the Linux distro.

"DRM" is used by Microsoft extensively to mean Digital Rights
Management. Whether that acronym is copyrighted or not I don't know,
but the combination "WinDRM" is just asking for trouble from their
lawyers, IMO. 

Remember who we're dealing with here. They don't play nice. :-)

Bill, W6WRT




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Re: [digitalradio] Is WinDRM a good name?

2006-09-28 Thread Jose A. Amador
Bill Turner wrote:

>  I personally have no objections to "WinDRM", but I know Microsoft is
>  fanatical about the use of "Windows" or anything close to it. As you
>  may recall, LogWindows was forced to change its name, as was Lindows,
>  the Linux distro.
>
>  "DRM" is used by Microsoft extensively to mean Digital Rights
>  Management. Whether that acronym is copyrighted or not I don't know,
>  but the combination "WinDRM" is just asking for trouble from their
>  lawyers, IMO.
>
>  Remember who we're dealing with here. They don't play nice. :-)
>
>  Bill, W6WRT

I have had the same "gut feeling" about that name. Windows Commander 
also changed
its name to Total Commander for the same reasons outlined above.

DRM doesn't bother me. It is backed by the ITU and if sombody else had
the bad luck of creating an acronim of local significance fighting 
against another
globally acknowledged of previous appearance, it is his problem. The 
origin of
DRM can be demonstrated in its right, previous meaning. It is an ETSI 
standard.

(it may be a bit difficult in the US, where the idea of AM digital radio 
is tied with
IBOC and not with DRM)

I would strip the Win prefix and use, say, Ham, and create HamDRM as 
mode designator
(could be as well the name of the daughter of the creator or the name of 
his beloved puppy).

Hamlib libraries are well known in the Linux world. The free software 
DRM receiver uses them.

For fairness, I would say HamDRM, which sounds to me as more "platform 
independent".

YMMV.

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Re: [digitalradio] Is WinDRM a good name?

2006-09-28 Thread KV9U
The names of HamDream and HamDrm are somewhat taken already, since 
HamDream was a modified implementation of the DRM (Digital Radio 
Mondiale) Dream program. The developer of Ham Dream was Cesco, HB9TLK, 
who later developed WinDrm and discontinued HamDream.

He also developed HamDrm (not the same as HamDream) which is a DLL 
"engine" of WinDrm, that can work with a GUI frontend.

I believe that Roland, PY4ZBZ, added that to the RDFT based DIGTRX but 
did not include the ability to use the voice. Another program that uses 
the HamDrm engine is HamPal.

DRM is now an acronym for two terms, Digital Radio Mondiale and Digital 
Rights Management so you need to consider the context in which the 
acronym is used to determine its meaning.

73,

Rick, KV9U


DLL program by Cesco HB9TLK


Jose A. Amador wrote:

>I have had the same "gut feeling" about that name. Windows Commander 
>also changed
>its name to Total Commander for the same reasons outlined above.
>
>DRM doesn't bother me. It is backed by the ITU and if sombody else had
>the bad luck of creating an acronim of local significance fighting 
>against another
>globally acknowledged of previous appearance, it is his problem. The 
>origin of
>DRM can be demonstrated in its right, previous meaning. It is an ETSI 
>standard.
>
>(it may be a bit difficult in the US, where the idea of AM digital radio 
>is tied with
>IBOC and not with DRM)
>
>I would strip the Win prefix and use, say, Ham, and create HamDRM as 
>mode designator
>(could be as well the name of the daughter of the creator or the name of 
>his beloved puppy).
>
>Hamlib libraries are well known in the Linux world. The free software 
>DRM receiver uses them.
>
>For fairness, I would say HamDRM, which sounds to me as more "platform 
>independent".
>
>YMMV.
>
>73 de Jose, CO2JA
>
>  
>



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Re: [digitalradio] Re: WinDRM voice tonight anyone?

2006-09-28 Thread Andrew O'Brien
I just got home for the evening. so can test for the next 3-4 hours if
anyone is interested.  I am on 7296 but may occasionally check 14236.  40M
sound fair tonight.

Andy K3UK


On 9/28/06, Ed Hekman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>   Andy,
>
> I didn't hear any signals last night either. After I wrote that
> post I realized that EchoLink uses one of the sound cards required
> for WinDRM. It will take a few minutes to set up another USB sound
> card for EchoLink tonight.
>
> How is the evening propagation on 40M? If we don't connect tonight
> or tomorrow night, we can try 14.238 MHz on Saturday.
>
> Ed
> WB6YTE
>
> --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com ,
> "Andrew O'Brien"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Ed. I will give you a shout on Echolink. I may also try it with
> my
> > neighbour who is also a ham (we should have a good signal to noise
> > ratio!) . I heard no signals last night , did you?
> >
> > Andy K3UK
>
> 
>



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[digitalradio] 7300 ?

2006-09-28 Thread Andrew O'Brien
Anyone know what the strong ( S9 here) signal is on 7300 .  Perhaps a
broadcast station DRM ?

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[digitalradio] WinDRM freqs

2006-09-28 Thread Andrew O'Brien
6. What frequencies do others use WinDRM?


This varies from country to country but essentially these are the most
popular frequencies, USB, VFO dial frequency:


3.733 (LSB), 3.857 (7AM EST Mon-Sat), 7.173, 7.228 and 7.290 to 7.299,
14.236, 14.255, 18.1625, 21.370.
The online finder at http://n1su.us/windrm_online.html is a good way to
find each other on the bands.


Weekends typically are the best days to find activity.



>From the WinDRM website.


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[digitalradio] Re: WinDRM freqs

2006-09-28 Thread Andrew O'Brien
I guess 7296 was the wrong place to listen, no wonder I heard no one!



On 9/28/06, Andrew O'Brien <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 6. What frequencies do others use WinDRM?
>
>
> This varies from country to country but essentially these are the most
> popular frequencies, USB, VFO dial frequency:
>
>
> 3.733 (LSB), 3.857 (7AM EST Mon-Sat), 7.173, 7.228 and 7.290 to 7.299,
> 14.236, 14.255, 18.1625, 21.370.
> The online finder at http://n1su.us/windrm_online.html is a good way to
> find each other on the bands.
>
>
> Weekends typically are the best days to find activity.
>
>
>
> From the WinDRM website.
>
>
> Also use the K3UK cluster for skeds telnet://cluster.dynalias.org
> --
>
>
>
> Andy K3UK
> Skype Me :  callto://andyobrien73
> www.obriensweb.com
> www.myspace.com/k3uk
>


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[digitalradio] First DRM reception, sort of

2006-09-28 Thread Andrew O'Brien





I have heard no digital voice signals thus far  but I 
did capture this on 14233...
 
 

 
A data, versus voice,  transmission from KB6QEX with 
SNR of 11.5.
 
 
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[digitalradio] DRM ACQ message

2006-09-28 Thread Andrew O'Brien





I received this on 7163
 
 

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[digitalradio] Re: First DRM reception, sort of

2006-09-28 Thread Ed Hekman
Andy,

14233 is used for HamPal DRM pictures.  I have copied several 
pictures there over the past few weeks but the success rate of 
HamPal without using the BSR is very low.  I am looking forward to 
trying WinDRM for voice - haven't heard anything on 40M yet.

Ed

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> I have heard no digital voice signals thus far  but I did capture 
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> A data, versus voice,  transmission from KB6QEX with SNR of 11.5.
> 
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