Re: [digitalradio] Psk Mail Help someone!!

[Per]

Hi Alan,

Please join the pskmail mailing list, much better signal/noise ratio there ;-). 
Its at http://www.freelists.org/list/pskmail

I cannot be certain what your problem is but please make sure you are using 
10.148 as center frequency, that could mean 10.147 and usb on the dial and 1000 
Hz cursor/offset in fldigi. That way the psk will land on 10.148 and most 
servers use sharp filters so frequency setting is very important. Most servers 
use PSK250 now but have a look at the wiki where servers list how they are 
working: http://pskmail.wikispaces.com

73 de Per, sm0rwo





From: Alan Wilson 
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, April 3, 2009 1:39:44 AM
Subject: [digitalradio] Psk Mail Help someone!!


Hi, and tnx fer reading this. I got linux puppy live cd up and going with 
PSKMail. I have Fldigi configured, now how do I do pskmail? I've been listening 
10.148 and heard some sigs, couldn't decode them. Could someone please take me 
by the hand and help me get this going. I believe the concept is good and we 
need a few us hams to try it...73, Alan (Victor, MT USA DN26wj)


   


  

Re: [digitalradio] Newbie question

[Jose A. Amador]

deadgoose38 wrote:
> Hear a digital signal -- maybe 8+ tones. Starts with a low one, then
> shifts to series of single ones at a higher frequency, then returns
> to the "base tone."  What am I listening to?  

JT65

> Will DM780 decode it?

No, that I know.

> If not, what?  

WSJT, MultiPSK

73,

Jose, CO2JA

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RE: [digitalradio] Re: Strange signal on 30M

[John Bradley]

jamming from Cuba ?  give me a break!!! Think it is interference from all
the Maple Syrup being produced in eastern Canada. Also we had a very cold
winter 

up here,,, there were piles of RF under my antennas and it is starting to
melt and vaporize. 

 

What was the date yesterday?

 

John

VE5MU

 

 

From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:digitalra...@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Andy
Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 7:17 PM
To: RFI - Contesting.com
Cc: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [digitalradio] Re: Strange signal on 30M

 

I haven't heard this ... but I saw some notes on other email lists over the
last couple of days about a bunch of strange new signals popping up here and
there, and the concensus seems to be that they might be jamming signals from
Cuba.

Andy

Re: [digitalradio] The usual OS Flame war thread....

[Jose A. Amador]

Per wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I know, I've not always kept my mouth shut either but it never leads to 
> any good in the end.
> As we are hams we should have an antenna flame war instead ;-) (I like 
> verticals ;-))
> 
> 73 de Per, sm0rwo

Agreed 8-)

73,

Jose, CO2JA
Linux User # 91155
http://counter.li.org



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[digitalradio] Re: Strange signal on 30M

[Andy]

I haven't heard this ... but I saw some notes on other email lists over the
last couple of days about a bunch of strange new signals popping up here and
there, and the concensus seems to be that they might be jamming signals from
Cuba.

Andy

Re: [digitalradio] There really is no flame war from my perspective OT OT OT OT TO

[Chuck Mayfield]

So, is this discussion off topic or what?  This must be the 50th time 
that I have had to delete this same discussion.  What say you give it a 
rest?

Please?

Chuck AA5J

Rick W wrote:
>
> Hi Stelios,
>
> The reason you may not have heard from others with their difficulties
> with Linux, is that they there are few who have even tried and those who
> have may not talk about it. I take the middle path, where I see the
> value of both OS's, but the value of Microsoft is still very large, at
> least here in the U.S. As Andy can tell you, I had a lot of trouble for
> several years with Linux not able to run my 22" Samsung SyncMaster
> 225BW, particularly with my higher end AMD/Nvidia HP computer. I have
> been able to run openSolaris from a live disk, not that I would plan to
> move toward that OS, HI.
>
> They always tell you to make sure that you try the live disk so
> everything can be checked out to work properly. Then when it does not,
> they tell you to install the OS and do the various configurations,
> downloads of software, etc. to get it to work. Most people have no
> interest in doing that and never will. I have spent many, many hundreds
> of hours with Linux, partly because I was going to figure this out and
> get it to work. It has been quite expensive compared with Microsoft
> products because of books and some commercial software that I have
> bought to try and get a better understanding. But after considerable
> interfacing with support groups and even to the point of getting a
> commercial product sent to me from the company, I could not match
> Microsoft. I eventually realized that if techy types like me are having
> this much trouble, it just is not going to go anywhere with average
> users, and that includes ham users too, if they can't get something to
> work well. Not just getting by, but with good usability.
>
> More recently I have tried live disks of Mandriva One 2009, Ubuntu 8-10,
> openSUSE, fedora 10,and others and found that although I could get the
> resolution correct for the monitor from some (not all), on my lower end
> emachines computer (2.4 GHz/512 Meg RAM), the font rendering of all
> Linux that I have seen thus far is inferior to WinXP and Vista. And I
> have also found that Vista is better than WinXP. Some will outright deny
> it, but I have had some agree that, yes Linux is not quite as good with
> font rendering, but that doesn't bother them because they want the
> freedom from MS, etc. I don't have any problem with MS at all as long as
> the product works well and supports what I am doing with computers.
>
> I have a brother who is an administrator for a well known University
> system and he runs many Linux and MS servers and has no problem with
> either. When I mention the desktop, he laughs and says that he would
> never use Linux for that, although he might use Apple Mac OSX.
>
> For me, (not others perhaps, but for me), if I switch to another OS,
> there has to be a reason other than I hate someone. It just has to work
> as well as what I am currently using and have additional advantages.
> Linux may have advantages in terms of viruses and malware, however a
> prudent person will still run security software on any system. But most
> all the programs that people like to use on Linux, which are generally
> free as in beer and free as in speech, are also available on Microsoft
> OS's too. For casual users who need mostly the web and an office suite,
> they could use Firefox and Open Office on either platform. For those who
> have specialty interests, especially ham radio, then MS has the edge
> since the best ham software is often only available on Microsoft OS's.
> Sometimes the only software.
>
> Since Microsoft OS's are typically pre-installed on computers here in
> the U.S., I don't see any change coming soon where you would buy a
> computer without an OS. Even the eeePC which Linux had a lock on the
> market for many months, is now mostly MS. If it can not beat MS on that
> platform, when will it? I see Linux gaining momentum in developing
> nations and since they make up the majority of the world's population,
> that has to eventually cause the tide to shift toward Linux. But that
> could be a decade or two away here in the U.S?
>
> For PSKmail, my expectation is that you need a sort of "critical mass"
> of users. That can not happen here without running the client on
> Microsoft OS's. Even then there are competing systems depending upon
> what you want for capabilities. Even for those who are Linux averse, it
> is not unreasonable that someone who wants to run a server could get
> that to work. I know that I could do it, as at one time I had fldigi
> running under Linux. (It did take quite a bit of effort and tremendous
> help from Dave, W1HKJ who is simply outstanding with his support).
>
> One area that you mention with the use of ARM based computing, or other
> low cost, low power systems, has to be the strongest value of Linux at
> this time. It can scale u

Re: [digitalradio] Newbie question

[Tom Burke]

could be mfsk 

tom burke
  - Original Message - 
  From: deadgoose38 
  To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 6:13 PM
  Subject: [digitalradio] Newbie question


  Hear a digital signal -- maybe 8+ tones. Starts with a low one, then shifts 
to series of single ones at a higher frequency, then returns to the "base 
tone." What am I listening to? Will DM780 decode it? If not, what? Seems pretty 
common on both 40 and 20 meters.

  /paul W3FIS


  

[digitalradio] There really is no flame war from my perspective

[Rick W]

Hi Stelios,

The reason you may not have heard from others with their difficulties 
with Linux, is that they there are few who have even tried and those who 
have may not talk about it. I take the middle path, where I see the 
value of both OS's, but the value of Microsoft is still very large, at 
least here in the U.S. As Andy can tell you, I had a lot of trouble for 
several years with Linux not able to run my 22" Samsung SyncMaster 
225BW, particularly with my higher end AMD/Nvidia HP computer. I have 
been able to run openSolaris from a live disk, not that I would plan to 
move toward that OS, HI.

They always tell you to make sure that you try the live disk so 
everything can be checked out to work properly. Then when it does not, 
they tell you to install the OS and do the various configurations, 
downloads of software, etc. to get it to work. Most people have no 
interest in doing that and never will. I have spent many, many hundreds 
of hours with Linux, partly because I was going to figure this out and 
get it to work. It has been quite expensive compared with Microsoft 
products because of books and some commercial software that I have 
bought to try and get a better understanding. But after considerable 
interfacing with support groups and even to the point of getting a 
commercial product sent to me from the company, I could not match 
Microsoft. I eventually realized that if techy types like me are having 
this much trouble, it just is not going to go anywhere with average 
users, and that includes ham users too, if they can't get something to 
work well. Not just getting by, but with good usability.

More recently I have tried live disks of Mandriva One 2009, Ubuntu 8-10, 
openSUSE, fedora 10,and others and found that although I could get the 
resolution correct for the monitor from some (not all), on my lower end 
emachines computer (2.4 GHz/512 Meg RAM), the font rendering of all 
Linux that I have seen thus far is inferior to WinXP and Vista. And I 
have also found that Vista is better than WinXP. Some will outright deny 
it, but I have had some agree that, yes Linux is not quite as good with 
font rendering, but that doesn't bother them because they want the 
freedom from MS, etc. I don't have any problem with MS at all as long as 
the product works well and supports what I am doing with computers.

I have a brother who is an administrator for a well known University 
system and he runs many Linux and MS servers and has no problem with 
either. When I mention the desktop, he laughs and says that he would 
never use Linux for that, although he might use Apple Mac OSX.

For me, (not others perhaps, but for me), if I switch to another OS, 
there has to be a reason other than I hate someone. It just has to work 
as well as what I am currently using and have additional advantages. 
Linux may have advantages in terms of viruses and malware, however a 
prudent person will still run security software on any system. But most 
all the programs that people like to use on Linux, which are generally 
free as in beer and free as in speech, are also available on Microsoft 
OS's too.  For casual users who need mostly the web and an office suite, 
they could use Firefox and Open Office on either platform. For those who 
have specialty interests, especially ham radio, then MS has the edge 
since the best ham software is often only available on Microsoft OS's. 
Sometimes the only software.

Since Microsoft OS's are typically pre-installed on computers here in 
the U.S., I don't see any change coming soon where you would buy a 
computer without an OS. Even the eeePC which Linux had a lock on the 
market for many months, is now mostly MS. If it can not beat MS on that 
platform, when will it? I see Linux gaining momentum in developing 
nations and since they make up the majority of the world's population, 
that has to eventually cause the tide to shift toward Linux. But that 
could be a decade or two away here in the U.S?

For PSKmail, my expectation is that you need a sort of "critical mass" 
of users. That can not happen here without running the client on 
Microsoft OS's. Even then there are competing systems depending upon 
what you want for capabilities. Even for those who are Linux averse, it 
is not unreasonable that someone who wants to run a server could get 
that to work. I know that I could do it, as at one time I had fldigi 
running under Linux. (It did take quite a bit of effort and tremendous 
help from Dave, W1HKJ who is simply outstanding with his support).

One area that you mention with the use of ARM based computing, or other 
low cost, low power systems, has to be the strongest value of Linux at 
this time. It can scale up or down as needed and Microsoft can not match 
it on the low end.

It will prove to be very interesting to see how things play out. Maybe 
by the end of this year we will have a better idea of the direction?

73,

Rick, KV9U


Stelios Bounanos wrote:
>
>
> Rick, I must sa

[digitalradio] Psk Mail Help someone!!

[Alan Wilson]

Hi, and tnx fer reading this. I got linux puppy live cd up and going with 
PSKMail. I have Fldigi configured, now how do I do pskmail? I've been listening 
10.148 and heard some sigs, couldn't decode them. Could someone please take me 
by the hand and help me get this going. I believe the concept is good and we 
need a few us hams to try it...73, Alan (Victor, MT USA DN26wj)

[digitalradio] Re: popular software

[deadgoose38]

For ease of use (been doing digital stuff for maybe 6 months now), HRD/DM780 
seems to be a very workable combination. I admit to having only done BPSK-31, 
Olivia (2 version), and FeldHell at this time.

/paul W3FIS

[digitalradio] Newbie question

[deadgoose38]

Hear a digital signal -- maybe 8+ tones. Starts with a low one, then shifts to 
series of single ones at a higher frequency, then returns to the "base tone."  
What am I listening to?  Will DM780 decode it? If not, what?  Seems pretty 
common on both 40 and 20 meters.

/paul W3FIS

Re: [digitalradio] The usual OS Flame war thread....

[Per]

Hi,

I know, I've not always kept my mouth shut either but it never leads to any 
good in the end.
As we are hams we should have an antenna flame war instead ;-) (I like 
verticals ;-))

73 de Per, sm0rwo






From: José A. Amador 
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2009 8:56:52 PM
Subject: Re: [digitalradio] The usual OS Flame war thread



Per,

I use BOTH.

I just meant a joke, because "the dark side of the force is always lurking"

I did not mean to hurt anyone, and I do operate on the air as well, 
perhaps not as much as I would like.

73,

Jose CO2JA

Per escribió:
> These threads just do not end. Pse just use what you like and stop bad 
> mouthing all the other systems.
> I only use linux but I'm not going to tell you that windows and macs 
> suck, if you like any of those then good for you. Have some fun on the 
> air instead.
>
> 73 de Per, sm0rwo
>

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Re: [digitalradio] The usual OS Flame war thread....

[Stelios Bounanos]

> On Thu, 02 Apr 2009 10:41:46 -0500, Rick W  said:

[...]

> Needless to say I won't even respond the the impertinent comments by Hal 
> since they are basically an attack on the intelligence and abilities of 
> most computer users rather than on any merits. Those of us who have 
> tried different OS's, some for decades, find good and bad in each OS, 
> but the bottom line is which one has the most practical value right 
> now.  While most here in the U.S. overwhelmingly choose Microsoft, there 
> are a modest, but increasing number, who like Mac. Linux is still very 
> small. Much, much smaller than I expected by now. I have spent a LOT of 
> time with Linux and have been surprisingly disappointed. And I did not 
> expect to be.

Rick, I must say that I can't remember the last time I heard of someone
who has tried so hard and for so long and has been as disappointed as
you.  Is your hardware not supported?  Are there problems with the
software?  Have you asked on the forums or mailing lists?  Filed bug
reports or feature requests?

Q: When will Linux be ready for me?
A: Sooner if you help.

BTW, users "overwhelmingly choose" the preinstalled OS.


Back on topic... there seem to be around a dozen pskmail servers on HF
in Europe; apparently sufficient for pskmail's (increasing) userbase.
How many would you need in North America?  I think that whatever the
answer may be, there must be enough hams there who either use Linux
already, or aren't afraid they might get the Linux cooties :-)

As a case in point, I count just less than 1000 unique callsigns in the
list of IRLP nodes in the U.S.  This tells me that Linux isn't going to
be an obstacle to pskmail adoption in the U.S. or anywhere else.
Particularly if someone comes up with some kind of pskmail appliance,
e.g. a low-cost ARM-based device such as the ones I mentioned earlier.


73,
Stelios, M0GLD.

Re: [digitalradio] PSKMail Windows server?

[Dennis Smith]

Food? Are you sure, last time I checked it was recycled rubber with a 
soya type base.

Dennis Smith
M1DLG
Barely human, mostly penguin.

Hal wrote:
>   I understand the Golden Arches sell more "food" than any other
> restaurant too...
>   

Re: [digitalradio] The usual OS Flame war thread....

[José A. Amador]

Per,

I use BOTH.

I just meant a joke, because "the dark side of the force is always lurking"

I did not mean to hurt anyone, and I do operate on the air as well, 
perhaps not as much as I would like.

73,

Jose CO2JA



Per escribió:
> These threads just do not end. Pse just use what you like and stop bad 
> mouthing all the other systems.
> I only use linux but I'm not going to tell you that windows and macs 
> suck, if you like any of those then good for you. Have some fun on the 
> air instead.
>
> 73 de Per, sm0rwo
>


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Re: [digitalradio] PSKMail Windows server?

[Howard Brown]

Hi Hal,

Sometimes I am tempted to reply this way too.  Mostly I try to keep comments 
positive about Linux and trust that M$ will eventually offend their clients 
enough that they will reconsider.

My favorite distro is Ubuntu 8.04 LTS.  

There was a time when hams considered themselves more technical.  In those days 
Linux was popular in the ham community. Now that Linux is so much easier, hams 
should try it again.

73,
Howard K5HB





From: Hal 
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2009 8:32:19 AM
Subject: Re: [digitalradio] PSKMail Windows server?


On 04-01, Rick W wrote:
> 
> Linux has not been very successful here in the U.S. with most ham 
> computer users. 

I understand the Golden Arches sell more "food" than any other
restaurant too...

> Even the ones who are very techy, such as myself, find 
> it mediocre as an operating system. 

That's interesting. . Consider the common denominator? ?

>Several of my ham friends have tried 
> it over the years too and abandoned it. A nearby ham, who is very tech 
> oriented decided a few months ago that he was going to really get into 
> Linux, until he really tried it and realized it just was not going to 
> work for him and he is an electronics engineer.

So...

> That has been the case 
> with most other hams I know and some of us, myself included, really, 
> really, wanted to like the OS, even with its shortcomings.

What shortcomings except comments like yours??

> But it just 
> has not been very practical at this point because like so many things in 
> life, the trade-offs are too great:(

Because too many refuse to think??

Just my 0.02 worth.. :^)..

-- 

Vy 73 de Hal--W8MCHUNIX-GNU/Linux - Slackware 11.0, 2.4.33.3
.

   

RE: [digitalradio] The usual OS Flame war thread....

[Scott Gillis N3UJJ]

I second the motion…

 

For the record I use Linux & Windows, each has strengths and weaknesses.

 

 

Scott Gillis N3UJJ 
  My Hamshack
  My Current Location
  My Amateur Weather Station

 

Most folks are about as happy as they make up their minds to be.
~Abraham Lincoln~

482955

 

 

 

From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:digitalra...@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Per
Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 10:29
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [digitalradio] The usual OS Flame war thread

 

These threads just do not end. Pse just use what you like and stop bad
mouthing all the other systems.
I only use linux but I'm not going to tell you that windows and macs suck,
if you like any of those then good for you. Have some fun on the air
instead.

73 de Per, sm0rwo



 

  _  

From: José A. Amador 
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2009 4:18:22 PM
Subject: Re: [digitalradio] PSKMail Windows server?


Once upon a time, in a very distant galaxy, there was an ace pilot named 
Anakin Skywalker...

> > Linux has not been very successful here in the U.S. with most ham
> > computer users.
> > But it just has not been very practical at this point because like
> > so many things in life, the trade-offs are too great:(
>
> Because too many refuse to think??
>

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Educación Energética
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...Por una cultura energética sustentable
www.ciercuba. com 

 



<>

Re: [digitalradio] The usual OS Flame war thread....

[Rick W]

I agree, Per, but like anything in life, there are tradeoffs. Some don't 
want to admit that, but some of us thankfully understand it well. It is 
curious that it is relatively rare for the Microsoft users to say 
derogatory comments about Linux. I  can not say the same for the more 
extreme Linux users, and some perhaps not so extreme:(

Needless to say I won't even respond the the impertinent comments by Hal 
since they are basically an attack on the intelligence and abilities of 
most computer users rather than on any merits. Those of us who have 
tried different OS's, some for decades, find good and bad in each OS, 
but the bottom line is which one has the most practical value right 
now.  While most here in the U.S. overwhelmingly choose Microsoft, there 
are a modest, but increasing number, who like Mac. Linux is still very 
small. Much, much smaller than I expected by now. I have spent a LOT of 
time with Linux and have been surprisingly disappointed. And I did not 
expect to be.

It is a very good thing to have open minded discussions about the value 
of different OS's for ham use and how one can help you do something that 
is not possible in another. Otherwise, no one would ever look at 
anything other than what they now use. It is no different than which 
digital program to use. They all have strong and weak points, but some 
will be a better "fit" for an individual ham.

73,

Rick, KV9U



Per wrote:
> These threads just do not end. Pse just use what you like and stop bad 
> mouthing all the other systems.
> I only use linux but I'm not going to tell you that windows and macs 
> suck, if you like any of those then good for you. Have some fun on the 
> air instead.
>
> 73 de Per, sm0rwo
>
>
>
> 
> *From:* José A. Amador 
> *To:* digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 2, 2009 4:18:22 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [digitalradio] PSKMail Windows server?
>
>
> Once upon a time, in a very distant galaxy, there was an ace pilot named
> Anakin Skywalker...
>
> > > Linux has not been very successful here in the U.S. with most ham
> > > computer users.
> > > But it just has not been very practical at this point because like
> > > so many things in life, the trade-offs are too great:(
> >
> > Because too many refuse to think??
> >
>
> VI Conferencia Internacional de Energía Renovable, Ahorro de Energía y 
> Educación Energética
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>
>
>
>
> 
> 
>
>
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[digitalradio] The usual OS Flame war thread....

[Per]

These threads just do not end. Pse just use what you like and stop bad mouthing 
all the other systems.
I only use linux but I'm not going to tell you that windows and macs suck, if 
you like any of those then good for you. Have some fun on the air instead.

73 de Per, sm0rwo







From: José A. Amador 
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2009 4:18:22 PM
Subject: Re: [digitalradio] PSKMail Windows server?



Once upon a time, in a very distant galaxy, there was an ace pilot named 
Anakin Skywalker...

> > Linux has not been very successful here in the U.S. with most ham
> > computer users.
> > But it just has not been very practical at this point because like
> > so many things in life, the trade-offs are too great:(
>
>  Because too many refuse to think??
>

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Re: [digitalradio] PSKMail Windows server?

[José A. Amador]

Once upon a time, in a very distant galaxy, there was an ace pilot named 
Anakin Skywalker...

> > Linux has not been very successful here in the U.S. with most ham
> > computer users.
> > But it just has not been very practical at this point because like
> > so many things in life, the trade-offs are too great:(
>
>  Because too many refuse to think??
>

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Re: [digitalradio] PSKMail Windows server?

[Hal]

On 04-01, Rick W wrote:
> 
> Linux has not been very successful here in the U.S. with most ham 
> computer users. 

I understand the Golden Arches sell more "food" than any other
restaurant too...



> Even the ones who are very techy, such as myself, find 
> it mediocre as an operating system. 

That's interesting.. Consider the common denominator??



>Several of my ham friends have tried 
> it over the years too and abandoned it. A nearby ham, who is very tech 
> oriented decided a few months ago that he was going to really get into 
> Linux, until he really tried it and realized it just was not going to 
> work for him and he is an electronics engineer.

So...



> That has been the case 
> with most other hams I know and some of us, myself included, really, 
> really, wanted to like the OS, even with its shortcomings.

What shortcomings except comments like yours??



> But it just 
> has not been very practical at this point because like so many things in 
> life, the trade-offs are too great:(

Because too many refuse to think??

Just my 0.02 worth.. :^)..

-- 

Vy 73 de Hal--W8MCHUNIX-GNU/Linux - Slackware 11.0, 2.4.33.3
.

[digitalradio] Re: PROPOSED RULE MAKING AND ORDER

[marc]

> Include $29.95 for shipping and handling payable to: Administrator
>

This is the part I do not understand...
Or is the money thrown in a waste basket in DC?

Re: [digitalradio] PROPOSED RULE MAKING AND ORDER

[Toby Burnett]

Very good!!! 
If only everything in life were as simple!! 
 
---Original Message--- 
 
From: Bruce mallon 
Date: 02/04/2009 10:33:50 
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: Re: [digitalradio] PROPOSED RULE MAKING AND ORDER 
 
IT IS ABOUT TIME .. 
 
I was beginning to understand some of them . 
 
 
 
--- On Wed, 4/1/09, "John Becker, WØJAB"  wrote: 
 
 
From: "John Becker, WØJAB"  
Subject: [digitalradio] PROPOSED RULE MAKING AND ORDER 
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com 
Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 10:41 PM 
 
 
 
 
NOTICE OF PROPOSED RULE MAKING AND ORDER 
Adopted: April 1 2009 
Comment Date: 60 days after publication in the Federal Register 
Reply Comment Date: 75 days after publication in the Federal Register 
By the Commission: Notice of Proposed Rule making 
 
1000. A: No radio system owner, or radio system operator, or person or 
Persons acting on the direction, or suggestion, or supervision, of any radio

System owner, or radio system operator, may try, attempt to try, or make or 
Make any attempt to try, to comprehend or understand, any or all, in whole 
Or in part, of the herein mentioned Federal Communication Commission 
Regulations, except as authorized by the Administrator or an agent appointed

By, or under the supervision of, the Administrator. 
 
1000. B: If any radio system owner, or radio system operator, or group of 
Associated radio system owners or radio system operators, becomes aware of, 
Or realizes, or detects, or discovers, or finds, that he, or she, or they, 
Are, or have been beginning to, or are about to understand the Federal 
Communication Commission Rules or Regulations or any of its provisions, (he)

(she) (they) must immediately, within three (3) days of such discovery or 
Awareness, notify, in writing, the Administrator. 
 
1000. C: Upon receipt of any such above notice of impending comprehension, 
The Administrator shall promptly cause said Federal Communication Commission

Rules and/or Regulations to be rewritten in such a form and manner as to 
Completely and totally eliminate any further possibility of comprehension by

Any radio system owner, or radio system operator, or person or persons 
Acting on the direction, or suggestion, or supervision, of any radio system 
Owner or radio system operator. 
 
1000. D: The Administrator may, at his or her option, require any radio 
System owner, or radio system operator, or person or persons acting on the 
Direction, or suggestion, or supervision, of any radio system owner, or 
Radio system operator, who commit(s), or attempt(s) to commit, or exhibit(s)

Any propensity to commit, the offense of understanding or comprehending the 
Federal Communication Commission Rules and/or Regulations, or any part 
Thereof, to attend courses of remedial instruction in said Rules and/or 
Regulations, until such time as said radio system owner, or radio system 
Operator, or person or persons acting on the direction, or suggestion, or 
Supervision, of radio system owner, or radio system operator, demonstrate 
That they are no longer capable of exhibiting any comprehension or 
Understanding of anything. 
 
Comment period: Persons wishing to comment upon said NPRM have until April 
19, 2009 to send in comments regarding the above NPRM to the aforementioned 
Agency, in triple quadruplicate, typed, certified, registered, no carbons, 
Initialed and notarized with a photo identification authorized by the 
Homeland Security Agency, including original radio system license or 
Licenses, medical certificate, three letters of recommendation from 
Employer, police chief and FBI signifying no felony or misdemeanor 
Convictions, poor work habits or personal disgusting habits which would 
Offend the Administrator, including but not limited to: smoking, drinking, 
Profanity, watching R rated movies, owning cable TV, non-church attendance, 
Voting independent, listening to rap music, joining trade associations, 
Speaking to attorneys, or talking snippy to anyone in Gettysburg. 
 
Send comments to: 
Administrator 
Federal Communications Commission 
Docket #: 24857-23.45. 3562.A5PU. (6)b 
Attn: Past Due Comments 
125 E SW St. NW, E, S 
Big Gray Building 
Third Floor, Second Door on Right 
Desk 4, In-Basket 7 
Near Wastebasket 99-8877 
Washington, D.C. 20591 
Include $29.95 for shipping and handling payable to: Administrator 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Re: [digitalradio] PROPOSED RULE MAKING AND ORDER

[Brent Gourley]

the FAA version became final decades ago...

KE4MZ, Brent
Dothan, AL
bg...@comcast.net
www.wb4zpi.org

No trees were destroyed in the sending of this contaminant-free message.
However, we do concede a significant number of electrons may have been 
inconvenienced.
  - Original Message - 
  From: bruce mallon 
  To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 4:33 AM
  Subject: Re: [digitalradio] PROPOSED RULE MAKING AND ORDER


IT IS ABOUT TIME ..

I was beginning to understand some of them .



--- On Wed, 4/1/09, "John Becker, WØJAB"  wrote:


  From: "John Becker, WØJAB" 
  Subject: [digitalradio] PROPOSED RULE MAKING AND ORDER
  To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
  Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 10:41 PM




  NOTICE OF PROPOSED RULE MAKING AND ORDER
  Adopted: April 1 2009
  Comment Date: 60 days after publication in the Federal Register
  Reply Comment Date: 75 days after publication in the Federal Register
  By the Commission: Notice of Proposed Rule making

  1000. A: No radio system owner, or radio system operator, or person or
  persons acting on the direction, or suggestion, or supervision, of 
any radio
  system owner, or radio system operator, may try, attempt to try, or 
make or
  make any attempt to try, to comprehend or understand, any or all, in 
whole
  or in part, of the herein mentioned Federal Communication Commission
  Regulations, except as authorized by the Administrator or an agent 
appointed
  by, or under the supervision of, the Administrator.

  1000. B: If any radio system owner, or radio system operator, or 
group of
  associated radio system owners or radio system operators, becomes 
aware of,
  or realizes, or detects, or discovers, or finds, that he, or she, or 
they,
  are, or have been beginning to, or are about to understand the Federal
  Communication Commission Rules or Regulations or any of its 
provisions, (he)
  (she) (they) must immediately, within three (3) days of such 
discovery or
  awareness, notify, in writing, the Administrator.

  1000. C: Upon receipt of any such above notice of impending 
comprehension,
  the Administrator shall promptly cause said Federal Communication 
Commission
  Rules and/or Regulations to be rewritten in such a form and manner as 
to
  completely and totally eliminate any further possibility of 
comprehension by
  any radio system owner, or radio system operator, or person or persons
  acting on the direction, or suggestion, or supervision, of any radio 
system
  owner or radio system operator.

  1000. D: The Administrator may, at his or her option, require any 
radio
  system owner, or radio system operator, or person or persons acting 
on the
  direction, or suggestion, or supervision, of any radio system owner, 
or
  radio system operator, who commit(s), or attempt(s) to commit, or 
exhibit(s)
  any propensity to commit, the offense of understanding or 
comprehending the
  Federal Communication Commission Rules and/or Regulations, or any part
  thereof, to attend courses of remedial instruction in said Rules 
and/or
  Regulations, until such time as said radio system owner, or radio 
system
  operator, or person or persons acting on the direction, or 
suggestion, or
  supervision, of radio system owner, or radio system operator, 
demonstrate
  that they are no longer capable of exhibiting any comprehension or
  understanding of anything.

  Comment period: Persons wishing to comment upon said NPRM have until 
April
  19, 2009 to send in comments regarding the above NPRM to the 
aforementioned
  agency, in triple quadruplicate, typed, certified, registered, no 
carbons,
  initialed and notarized with a photo identification authorized by the
  Homeland Security Agency, including original radio system license or
  licenses, medical certificate, three letters of recommendation from
  employer, police chief and FBI signifying no felony or misdemeanor
  convictions, poor work habits or personal disgusting habits which 
would
  offend the Administrator, including but not limited to: smoking, 
drinking,
  profanity, watching R rated movies, owning cable TV, non-church 
attendance,
  voting independent, listening to rap music, joining trade 
associations,
  speaking to attorneys, or talking snippy to anyone in Gettysburg.

  Send comments to:
  Administrator
  Federal Communications Commission
  Docket #: 24857-23.45. 3562.A5PU. (6)b
  Attn: Past Due Comments
  125 E SW St. NW, E, S
  Big Gray Building

Re: [digitalradio] PROPOSED RULE MAKING AND ORDER

[bruce mallon]

IT IS ABOUT TIME ..
 
I was beginning to understand some of them .
 


--- On Wed, 4/1/09, "John Becker, WØJAB"  wrote:


From: "John Becker, WØJAB" 
Subject: [digitalradio] PROPOSED RULE MAKING AND ORDER
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 10:41 PM








NOTICE OF PROPOSED RULE MAKING AND ORDER
Adopted: April 1 2009
Comment Date: 60 days after publication in the Federal Register
Reply Comment Date: 75 days after publication in the Federal Register
By the Commission: Notice of Proposed Rule making

1000. A: No radio system owner, or radio system operator, or person or
persons acting on the direction, or suggestion, or supervision, of any radio
system owner, or radio system operator, may try, attempt to try, or make or
make any attempt to try, to comprehend or understand, any or all, in whole
or in part, of the herein mentioned Federal Communication Commission
Regulations, except as authorized by the Administrator or an agent appointed
by, or under the supervision of, the Administrator.

1000. B: If any radio system owner, or radio system operator, or group of
associated radio system owners or radio system operators, becomes aware of,
or realizes, or detects, or discovers, or finds, that he, or she, or they,
are, or have been beginning to, or are about to understand the Federal
Communication Commission Rules or Regulations or any of its provisions, (he)
(she) (they) must immediately, within three (3) days of such discovery or
awareness, notify, in writing, the Administrator.

1000. C: Upon receipt of any such above notice of impending comprehension,
the Administrator shall promptly cause said Federal Communication Commission
Rules and/or Regulations to be rewritten in such a form and manner as to
completely and totally eliminate any further possibility of comprehension by
any radio system owner, or radio system operator, or person or persons
acting on the direction, or suggestion, or supervision, of any radio system
owner or radio system operator.

1000. D: The Administrator may, at his or her option, require any radio
system owner, or radio system operator, or person or persons acting on the
direction, or suggestion, or supervision, of any radio system owner, or
radio system operator, who commit(s), or attempt(s) to commit, or exhibit(s)
any propensity to commit, the offense of understanding or comprehending the
Federal Communication Commission Rules and/or Regulations, or any part
thereof, to attend courses of remedial instruction in said Rules and/or
Regulations, until such time as said radio system owner, or radio system
operator, or person or persons acting on the direction, or suggestion, or
supervision, of radio system owner, or radio system operator, demonstrate
that they are no longer capable of exhibiting any comprehension or
understanding of anything.

Comment period: Persons wishing to comment upon said NPRM have until April
19, 2009 to send in comments regarding the above NPRM to the aforementioned
agency, in triple quadruplicate, typed, certified, registered, no carbons,
initialed and notarized with a photo identification authorized by the
Homeland Security Agency, including original radio system license or
licenses, medical certificate, three letters of recommendation from
employer, police chief and FBI signifying no felony or misdemeanor
convictions, poor work habits or personal disgusting habits which would
offend the Administrator, including but not limited to: smoking, drinking,
profanity, watching R rated movies, owning cable TV, non-church attendance,
voting independent, listening to rap music, joining trade associations,
speaking to attorneys, or talking snippy to anyone in Gettysburg.

Send comments to:
Administrator
Federal Communications Commission
Docket #: 24857-23.45. 3562.A5PU. (6)b
Attn: Past Due Comments
125 E SW St. NW, E, S
Big Gray Building
Third Floor, Second Door on Right
Desk 4, In-Basket 7
Near Wastebasket 99-8877
Washington, D.C. 20591
Include $29.95 for shipping and handling payable to: Administrator