[digitalradio] Re: ROS Developer will continue to auto-spot despite complaints

[af6it]

Why is it we're still even discussing this? The mode is questionable, the 
quirks are many, the value is dubious, the author a non-ham with a BIG 
attitude, and he controls our computers. (Not mine, glad I never got around to 
downloading) Why should we be his pawns and feed his ego? Best thing we could 
do is simple end the debate, change the subject, and allow ROS to die its 
deserved death by neglect. It didn't have to go that way, but it is what it 
became by choice of the one who engineered it. Laurie & several others 
critiques seem quite valid. So why the ongoing debate? Let it end here & now!

Just my cent worth. 

Stu AF6IT --now SK on the subject

--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, "Laurie, VK3AMA"  wrote:
>
> With this action (or inaction) from Mr ROS and considering all of his 
> past actions/comments it becomes clear (to me) that he has an agenda and 
> Hams are being used as beta-testers to help fulfil his ultimate goal.
> 
> He has shown several times an unwillingness to embrace "Ham Spirit" and 
> "Ham Operating Standards".
> 
> His Agenda? I suspect it is commercial in nature.
> 
> My thoughts.
> 
> de Laurie, VK3AMA
> 
> 
>

Re: [digitalradio] Re : testing confirms ROS,,,,,,,,,,,

[Cortland Richmond]

The distributor being located in Europe, it may be the EU digital privacy 
regulations come into play.


Cortland
KA5S


-Original Message-
>From: raf3151019 
>Sent: Jul 10, 2010 4:56 PM
>To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [digitalradio] Re : testing confirms ROS,,,
>
>Well, would you believe it ! So what happens now ?
>
>Mel G0GQK
>
>
>

AW: [digitalradio] ROS Developer will continue to auto-spot despite complaints

[Siegfried Jackstien]

Just added adif exe to my firewall

No data in no data out

Can use ros now as I have no inet access

Jose does monitor eu traffic via twente . so does the soft send (hidden)
data on the air??? I do not know . but I do not matter about cause I have
absolutely no passwords (except the gmail password used in ros) on my pc . I
do no internet banking so nothing to hide on my pc

Even if the software has a Trojan in it that allows jose to spy on my pc I
would no matter about it cause my pc is clean in any way (nothing to hide)

No cracked software, no stolen mp3 music, nothing but ham-software (99.8%
freeware)

 

Jose made that function only to give ros a kick .. That kick got in his face
(or his back)

So it is time for him to work around that function . user setable, can be
switched off, correct data, no fake qsos .. Should be easy done from him if
he is willing to do

But the comments on his hp shows that he is not willing to switch it off ...
maybe he can work around that the spots are correct

No random texts like there was a qso if there was none etc.

As we all know jose reads all the boards . so:

 

J O S E . I REALLY LIKE THAT MODE BUT CAN YOU PLEASE PAY ATTENTION WHAT THE
USER NEEDS ?!?

 

To get the mode more popular instead of being more and more hated Jose
REALLY should think about all that 

 

I know that otherwise your betatesters will no longer use your software

 

PLEASE (begging on my knees) JOSE DO NOT KILL YOUR SOFT BY YOURSELF

 

As this was the first (for me) to get a 16000km qso I would like that mode
not to be killed

 

Hopefully Jose takes some time (after a cup of tea) stays cool and thinks
about what we need and what we do not need

 

Greetings to all

 

Sigi

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Re: [digitalradio] ROS Developer will continue to auto-spot despite complaints

[Laurie, VK3AMA]

With this action (or inaction) from Mr ROS and considering all of his 
past actions/comments it becomes clear (to me) that he has an agenda and 
Hams are being used as beta-testers to help fulfil his ultimate goal.

He has shown several times an unwillingness to embrace "Ham Spirit" and 
"Ham Operating Standards".

His Agenda? I suspect it is commercial in nature.

My thoughts.

de Laurie, VK3AMA


On 11/07/2010 9:17 AM, Dave Wright wrote:
>
>
> Just goes to show that he reads the boards and keeps track of what is
> going on.
>
> Now, how easy would it be to program a button to disable the function
> with one toggle in the software?  Very easy!  Then he could open it to
> everyone to decide whether they want the reporting or not.   Since he
> won't allow this, and says take it or leave it, one must truly question
> what else it does or can do.
>
> Dave
> K3DCW
>
> On Sat, Jul 10, 2010 at 7:05 PM, Laurie, VK3AMA  > wrote:
>
> from his website
> http://rosmodem.wordpress.com/2010/07/10/ros-and-cluster/
>
> Jose says...
>
>  > ROS uses a system that send reports to the DX Cluster automatically.
>  >
>  > This is useful to know who are listen you and the  system is done
> so as not to saturate the cluster (only send some spot).
>  >
>  > If you are not agree with this function that help to the
> communication, don’t use ROS software.
>
> Interpret that as you want.
>
> de Laurie, VK3AMA
>
>
> 
>
> http://www.obriensweb.com/digispotter.html
> Chat, Skeds, and "Spots" all in one (resize to suit)
>
> Facebook= http://www.facebook.com/pages/digitalradio/123270301037522
>
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>
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> 
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Dave
> K3DCW
> www.k3dcw.net 
>
> "Real radio bounces off of the sky"
>
>
> 




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Re: [digitalradio] ROS Developer will continue to auto-spot despite complaints

[Dave Wright]

Just goes to show that he reads the boards and keeps track of what is going
on.

Now, how easy would it be to program a button to disable the function with
one toggle in the software?  Very easy!  Then he could open it to everyone
to decide whether they want the reporting or not.   Since he won't allow
this, and says take it or leave it, one must truly question what else it
does or can do.

Dave
K3DCW

On Sat, Jul 10, 2010 at 7:05 PM, Laurie, VK3AMA  wrote:

> from his website
> http://rosmodem.wordpress.com/2010/07/10/ros-and-cluster/
>
> Jose says...
>
> > ROS uses a system that send reports to the DX Cluster automatically.
> >
> > This is useful to know who are listen you and the  system is done so as
> not to saturate the cluster (only send some spot).
> >
> > If you are not agree with this function that help to the communication,
> don’t use ROS software.
>
> Interpret that as you want.
>
> de Laurie, VK3AMA
>
>
> 
>
> http://www.obriensweb.com/digispotter.html
> Chat, Skeds, and "Spots" all in one (resize to suit)
>
> Facebook= http://www.facebook.com/pages/digitalradio/123270301037522
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>


-- 
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www.k3dcw.net

"Real radio bounces off of the sky"

[digitalradio] ROS Developer will continue to auto-spot despite complaints

[Laurie, VK3AMA]

from his website
http://rosmodem.wordpress.com/2010/07/10/ros-and-cluster/

Jose says...

> ROS uses a system that send reports to the DX Cluster automatically.
>
> This is useful to know who are listen you and the  system is done so as not 
> to saturate the cluster (only send some spot).
>
> If you are not agree with this function that help to the communication, don’t 
> use ROS software.

Interpret that as you want.

de Laurie, VK3AMA




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Re: [digitalradio] Re : testing confirms ROS,,,,,,,,,,,

[Rik van Riel]

On 07/10/2010 04:56 PM, raf3151019 wrote:
> Well, would you believe it ! So what happens now ?

The first person who warns the ROS users gets banned
for life from the ROS email list? :)

-- 
All rights reversed.

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Testing Confirms ROS Autospot Behaviour

[John Becker, WØJAB]

The other day after making a comment about ROS
I got a note (direct) just saying - 

"makes one wonder what else the program is doing.
 Do you have your banking information on that computer ?"

[digitalradio] Re: Testing Confirms ROS Autospot Behaviour

[graham787]

Julian ,

That's a good  point , But from what I can  gather this  is  Mr Ros > 
http://www.thesauro.com/nietoros/ if so  then  such routines would  perhaps be 
a little dangerous to  implement ? 

I don't  really  know what the  end  game will be .. but  I have the  
perception that 'game'may  be the operative word . 

G . 

--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, "g4ilo"  wrote:
>
> As a (retired) amateur software developer myself I cannot imagine why the 
> developer did it this way instead of letting people pick their own cluster 
> (preferably one located near them) and send their own spots manually. It 
> would have been easier. Connecting to random servers and sending randomly 
> selected text strings is often a hallmark of malware. Perhaps he has 
> developed a clever way of stealing passwords without people realizing it? You 
> know, like those coded messages where the secret text was made from the first 
> letter of every line. I'm not saying it's actually likely but you have to 
> wonder why he has made such a bizarre design decision.
> 
> If nothing else it shows how easy it is to get people to load software on 
> their computer when they have no real idea who the developer is or what the 
> software may be doing.
> 
> Julian, G4ILO
> 
> --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, "Laurie, VK3AMA"  wrote:
> >
> > Yesterday I ran some tests and can confirm that ROS software (Betas 
> > 4.5.7, 4.5.8, 4.6.0 & 4.6.2) is auto-spotting to the cluster without any 
> > control from the op.
> > 
> > ROS has hard-coded the following Clusters and connects to one of these 
> > if possible.
> > 
> > dxc.us6iq.com
> > dxc.ham.hr
> > 9a0dxc.hamradio.hr
> > remo3.renet.ru
> > cluster.sk4bw.net
> > ax25.org
> > sk3w.se
> > sector7.nu
> > sm7gvf.dyndns.org
> > 
> > I setup my internet router to re-route these addresses (and ports) to a 
> > Cluster Node I have setup locally for testing to avoid spotting to the 
> > live Cluster.
> > 
> > Then left the ROS software in RX mode (no TX) monitoring 20M. Over 20 
> > spots were generated over a 2 hour period. Different comment strings 
> > were sent in the spots.
> > 
> > A closer inspection of the internal code of ROS reveals randomising code 
> > (select a random string) and the following hard-coded Cluster spotting 
> > strings.
> > 
> > "tnx ros mode"
> > "73 ROS Mode"
> > "tnx fer ROS QSO"
> > "ROS 599"
> > "ROS 559"
> > "CQ ROS"
> > "CQ ROS Mode"
> > "CQ ROS."
> > "ROS"
> > "ros"
> > "599 ROS Mode"
> > "73, ros mode"
> > "ROS, 73"
> > "tu ROS Mode"
> > "ROS test"
> > "copy ROS Mode - dB"
> > "ROS QSO "
> > "ros mode "
> > "ROS Mode "
> > "599 ROS - dB"
> > "ROS - dB at "
> > "ROS CQ - dB"
> > "ROS. TNX QSO. 73 "
> > 
> > ,  are substitued with the configured settings and  the 
> > received S/N ratio.
> > 
> > Clearly the use of several variations of text, mixing upper- & 
> > lower-case letters, 599 & 559 reports is all designed to make anyone 
> > viewing the Cluster think that these ROS spots are Human generated and 
> > not auto-spot spam.
> > 
> > The ROS developer has NOT documented, in ether the User Guide or FAQ, 
> > this auto-spot advertising facility of his software.
> > 
> > My observations.
> > 
> > de Laurie, VK3AMA
> >
>

[digitalradio] Re: [ROSDIGITALMODEMGROUP] Pirate behavior

[graham787]

Ok Skip 

Yes .. but .. looking at  it  from over here .. Technically the  situation 
looks  a  little  quaint .. 

What  happens between  145 and  220  meg to  enable the  mode ..the  concept  
is the  same . so it  cannot be based on intercept ability ..that only  leaves  
bandwidth ? 

Something must of  driven the  'need'  for the  clause in the  first place ? 
(my licence bans  pulse tx  below 10 GHz .. but  all these  mfsk  systems 
transmit pulses .. long ones , but pulses just the  same) 

How  old is the  FFC  220 meg  rule  on SS  , what  is the  actual  text of the 
 clause ? 

Yes  your  right  and as originally  posted , the frequency allocation is  
randomised by a  PG string added  to the  data , obvious way to  go  really .. 
but 'we' where locked into  psk at the  time … but  data  manipulation  cannot  
be the reason for the 220 clause as  the system may be used over this frequency 
...

I suspect that  in the  mind of the 220  author , spread  spectrum equated to 
high spectrum usage , hence the  high vhf  allocation to  what i assume (in 
those  days) was an experimenters band ?

To quote  from  wiki

Spread" radio signal over a wide frequency range several magnitudes higher than 
minimum requirement. The core principle of spread spectrum is the use of 
noise-like carrier waves, and, as the name implies, bandwidths much wider than 
that required for simple point-to-point communication at the same data rate.

Pure  tone  bursts within a audio channel 500 Hz  , 100 Hz or  50  Hz , do  not 
 quite  compare to   what  is  normally associated with SS ?  ..  May be its  
time  for  some  one to  ask  again ,? ,


G . 

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Testing Confirms ROS Autospot Behaviour

[Dave Wright]

I'm not sure if it still requires it, but many early users gladly gave over
their gmail account passwords (required at the time) to the program without
question, so why would they care (or even know) if it did anything else?



On Sat, Jul 10, 2010 at 5:25 PM, g4ilo  wrote:

>
>
> As a (retired) amateur software developer myself I cannot imagine why the
> developer did it this way instead of letting people pick their own cluster
> (preferably one located near them) and send their own spots manually. It
> would have been easier. Connecting to random servers and sending randomly
> selected text strings is often a hallmark of malware. Perhaps he has
> developed a clever way of stealing passwords without people realizing it?
> You know, like those coded messages where the secret text was made from the
> first letter of every line. I'm not saying it's actually likely but you have
> to wonder why he has made such a bizarre design decision.
>
> If nothing else it shows how easy it is to get people to load software on
> their computer when they have no real idea who the developer is or what the
> software may be doing.
>
> Julian, G4ILO
>
>
> --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com ,
> "Laurie, VK3AMA"  wrote:
> >
> > Yesterday I ran some tests and can confirm that ROS software (Betas
> > 4.5.7, 4.5.8, 4.6.0 & 4.6.2) is auto-spotting to the cluster without any
> > control from the op.
> >
> > ROS has hard-coded the following Clusters and connects to one of these
> > if possible.
> >
> > dxc.us6iq.com
> > dxc.ham.hr
> > 9a0dxc.hamradio.hr
> > remo3.renet.ru
> > cluster.sk4bw.net
> > ax25.org
> > sk3w.se
> > sector7.nu
> > sm7gvf.dyndns.org
> >
> > I setup my internet router to re-route these addresses (and ports) to a
> > Cluster Node I have setup locally for testing to avoid spotting to the
> > live Cluster.
> >
> > Then left the ROS software in RX mode (no TX) monitoring 20M. Over 20
> > spots were generated over a 2 hour period. Different comment strings
> > were sent in the spots.
> >
> > A closer inspection of the internal code of ROS reveals randomising code
> > (select a random string) and the following hard-coded Cluster spotting
> > strings.
> >
> > "tnx ros mode"
> > "73 ROS Mode"
> > "tnx fer ROS QSO"
> > "ROS 599"
> > "ROS 559"
> > "CQ ROS"
> > "CQ ROS Mode"
> > "CQ ROS."
> > "ROS"
> > "ros"
> > "599 ROS Mode"
> > "73, ros mode"
> > "ROS, 73"
> > "tu ROS Mode"
> > "ROS test"
> > "copy ROS Mode - dB"
> > "ROS QSO "
> > "ros mode "
> > "ROS Mode "
> > "599 ROS - dB"
> > "ROS - dB at "
> > "ROS CQ - dB"
> > "ROS. TNX QSO. 73 "
> >
> > ,  are substitued with the configured settings and  the
> > received S/N ratio.
> >
> > Clearly the use of several variations of text, mixing upper- &
> > lower-case letters, 599 & 559 reports is all designed to make anyone
> > viewing the Cluster think that these ROS spots are Human generated and
> > not auto-spot spam.
> >
> > The ROS developer has NOT documented, in ether the User Guide or FAQ,
> > this auto-spot advertising facility of his software.
> >
> > My observations.
> >
> > de Laurie, VK3AMA
> >
>
>  
>



-- 
Dave
K3DCW
www.k3dcw.net

"Real radio bounces off of the sky"

[digitalradio] Re: Testing Confirms ROS Autospot Behaviour

[g4ilo]

As a (retired) amateur software developer myself I cannot imagine why the 
developer did it this way instead of letting people pick their own cluster 
(preferably one located near them) and send their own spots manually. It would 
have been easier. Connecting to random servers and sending randomly selected 
text strings is often a hallmark of malware. Perhaps he has developed a clever 
way of stealing passwords without people realizing it? You know, like those 
coded messages where the secret text was made from the first letter of every 
line. I'm not saying it's actually likely but you have to wonder why he has 
made such a bizarre design decision.

If nothing else it shows how easy it is to get people to load software on their 
computer when they have no real idea who the developer is or what the software 
may be doing.

Julian, G4ILO

--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, "Laurie, VK3AMA"  wrote:
>
> Yesterday I ran some tests and can confirm that ROS software (Betas 
> 4.5.7, 4.5.8, 4.6.0 & 4.6.2) is auto-spotting to the cluster without any 
> control from the op.
> 
> ROS has hard-coded the following Clusters and connects to one of these 
> if possible.
> 
> dxc.us6iq.com
> dxc.ham.hr
> 9a0dxc.hamradio.hr
> remo3.renet.ru
> cluster.sk4bw.net
> ax25.org
> sk3w.se
> sector7.nu
> sm7gvf.dyndns.org
> 
> I setup my internet router to re-route these addresses (and ports) to a 
> Cluster Node I have setup locally for testing to avoid spotting to the 
> live Cluster.
> 
> Then left the ROS software in RX mode (no TX) monitoring 20M. Over 20 
> spots were generated over a 2 hour period. Different comment strings 
> were sent in the spots.
> 
> A closer inspection of the internal code of ROS reveals randomising code 
> (select a random string) and the following hard-coded Cluster spotting 
> strings.
> 
> "tnx ros mode"
> "73 ROS Mode"
> "tnx fer ROS QSO"
> "ROS 599"
> "ROS 559"
> "CQ ROS"
> "CQ ROS Mode"
> "CQ ROS."
> "ROS"
> "ros"
> "599 ROS Mode"
> "73, ros mode"
> "ROS, 73"
> "tu ROS Mode"
> "ROS test"
> "copy ROS Mode - dB"
> "ROS QSO "
> "ros mode "
> "ROS Mode "
> "599 ROS - dB"
> "ROS - dB at "
> "ROS CQ - dB"
> "ROS. TNX QSO. 73 "
> 
> ,  are substitued with the configured settings and  the 
> received S/N ratio.
> 
> Clearly the use of several variations of text, mixing upper- & 
> lower-case letters, 599 & 559 reports is all designed to make anyone 
> viewing the Cluster think that these ROS spots are Human generated and 
> not auto-spot spam.
> 
> The ROS developer has NOT documented, in ether the User Guide or FAQ, 
> this auto-spot advertising facility of his software.
> 
> My observations.
> 
> de Laurie, VK3AMA
>

[digitalradio] Re: ROS are sending data from your PC - banned call list

[pd4u_dares]

As far as I know a BW of 2250Hz is not illegal in the Netherlands, nor is 
spread spectrum. But not sure about that. But I thought a station from OH or 
LA(?) mentioned SS was illegal there when that subject was raised a few months 
ago. That's why the "not merely illegal in US"

--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, rein...@... wrote:
>
> Marc
> 
> I am out of the A, B and C period. Actually there was no C in 1955
> Did not know PD4 was a novice class prefix, but so be it.
> Have to look at VERON or VRZA web sites for clasees .
> 2*1 calls are extra's here.
> 
> But the question was about using 2.5 kHz BW at 14.103! 
> I though you were making the point that this could be illegal in EU. 
> 
> 73 Rein W6SZ
> 
> -Original Message-
> >From: pd4u_dares 
> >Sent: Jul 10, 2010 2:32 PM
> >To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: [digitalradio] Re: ROS are sending data from your PC - banned call 
> >list
> >
> >All PD calls (=novice) are allowed to TX in any mode on 40m/20m/10m on HF. 
> >
> >--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, rein0zn@ wrote:
> >>
> >> Marc,
> >> 
> >> Always like to learn more about think I do not understand.
> >> 
> >> Apart from causing QRM on a occupied frequency ( QRL? ),
> >> you with your PD4 call are allowed to make a contact with SSB
> >> or even AM at 14.003. are you not? 
> >> 
> >> I am talking legally here. there might be new EU rules
> >> gentleman's agreements,suggested voluntary band plans,
> >> you name it. Or am  out of date?
> >> 
> >> 73 Rein W6SZ
> >> 
> >> 
> >> -Original Message-
> >> >From: pd4u_dares 
> >> >Sent: Jul 10, 2010 2:02 AM
> >> >To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
> >> >Subject: [digitalradio] Re: ROS are sending data from your PC - banned 
> >> >call list
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, "Rein A"  wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> 
> >> >> 
> >> >> 
> >> >> 
> >> >> 
> >> >> That could well be the case. Same perhaps for some of his other
> >> >> actions in the past, present and most likely in future.
> >> >> 
> >> >> Then, of course it really does not matter whether is is working or not!
> >> >> 
> >> >
> >> >Indeed. It's about the wide [spread] spectrum used by ROS, that is the 
> >> >basis for QRM an possible illegality [not merely in the US].
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >http://www.obriensweb.com/digispotter.html
> >> >Chat, Skeds, and "Spots" all in one (resize to suit)
> >> >
> >> >Facebook= http://www.facebook.com/pages/digitalradio/123270301037522
> >> >
> >> >Yahoo! Groups Links
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >http://www.obriensweb.com/digispotter.html
> >Chat, Skeds, and "Spots" all in one (resize to suit)
> >
> >Facebook= http://www.facebook.com/pages/digitalradio/123270301037522
> >
> >Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>

[digitalradio] Re : testing confirms ROS,,,,,,,,,,,

[raf3151019]

Well, would you believe it ! So what happens now ?

Mel G0GQK

[digitalradio] Re: ROS Mode

[Alan]

I agree 100 per cent...73..Alan

--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, "Thomas F. Giella NZ4O"  
wrote:
>
> Call me old fashioned but after the way the developer of the ROS mode 
> treated the global amateur radio community, i.e, malice, deceit and
> disrespect earlier in the year I wouldn't use ROS if it "were" legal in the
> U.S.
> 
> Just my .05 cents due to inflation.
> 
> 73 & GUD DX,
> Thomas F. Giella, NZ4O
> Lakeland, FL, USA
> n...@...
> 
> PODXS 070 Club #349
> Feld Hell Club #141
> 30 Meter Digital Group #691
> Digital Modes Club #1243
> WARC Bands Century Club #20
> 
> NZ4O Amateur & SWL Autobiography: http://www.nz4o.org
>

[digitalradio] Re: [ROSDIGITALMODEMGROUP] Pirate behavior

[graham787]

Is this  still  the  case , posted  26/2/2010 ?

>>The FCC did say they "viewed it as spread spectrum", not because of any 
technical inspection by them, but solely upon the documentation presented to 
them, and they qualified THAT by saying they assumed the author knew what he 
had written. << 

Q what  is the  FCC  definition of a  SS signal ? , this  system just uses  a 
little  random digital  noise  to  raise the  minimum s/n ..and like all  
modern qrp  system's , 50 mW of RF and  500 watts  in the  pc ...  but  If its 
ok above 220 the  concept must be 'ok'  , assumedly based on  bandwith grounds 
.. then how  is  translated to  non  use on HF via   standard ssb  filter or 
100 hz/50 Hz notch  for the  eme  and mf modes . 

G .. 

nb : the  MF system uses  64  pre  set  tones and is not the  same as  the  hf 
mode and was  crated after the  initial  post so  has never been comented on or 
 assesed as  such ... way in ?

[digitalradio] Testing Confirms ROS Autospot Behaviour

[Laurie, VK3AMA]

Yesterday I ran some tests and can confirm that ROS software (Betas 
4.5.7, 4.5.8, 4.6.0 & 4.6.2) is auto-spotting to the cluster without any 
control from the op.

ROS has hard-coded the following Clusters and connects to one of these 
if possible.

dxc.us6iq.com
dxc.ham.hr
9a0dxc.hamradio.hr
remo3.renet.ru
cluster.sk4bw.net
ax25.org
sk3w.se
sector7.nu
sm7gvf.dyndns.org

I setup my internet router to re-route these addresses (and ports) to a 
Cluster Node I have setup locally for testing to avoid spotting to the 
live Cluster.

Then left the ROS software in RX mode (no TX) monitoring 20M. Over 20 
spots were generated over a 2 hour period. Different comment strings 
were sent in the spots.

A closer inspection of the internal code of ROS reveals randomising code 
(select a random string) and the following hard-coded Cluster spotting 
strings.

"tnx ros mode"
"73 ROS Mode"
"tnx fer ROS QSO"
"ROS 599"
"ROS 559"
"CQ ROS"
"CQ ROS Mode"
"CQ ROS."
"ROS"
"ros"
"599 ROS Mode"
"73, ros mode"
"ROS, 73"
"tu ROS Mode"
"ROS test"
"copy ROS Mode - dB"
"ROS QSO "
"ros mode "
"ROS Mode "
"599 ROS - dB"
"ROS - dB at "
"ROS CQ - dB"
"ROS. TNX QSO. 73 "

,  are substitued with the configured settings and  the 
received S/N ratio.

Clearly the use of several variations of text, mixing upper- & 
lower-case letters, 599 & 559 reports is all designed to make anyone 
viewing the Cluster think that these ROS spots are Human generated and 
not auto-spot spam.

The ROS developer has NOT documented, in ether the User Guide or FAQ, 
this auto-spot advertising facility of his software.

My observations.

de Laurie, VK3AMA

[digitalradio] ROS Mode

[Thomas F. Giella NZ4O]

Call me old fashioned but after the way the developer of the ROS mode 
treated the global amateur radio community, i.e, malice, deceit and
disrespect earlier in the year I wouldn't use ROS if it "were" legal in the
U.S.

Just my .05 cents due to inflation.

73 & GUD DX,
Thomas F. Giella, NZ4O
Lakeland, FL, USA
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Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS are sending data from your PC - banned call list

[rein0zn]

Marc

I am out of the A, B and C period. Actually there was no C in 1955
Did not know PD4 was a novice class prefix, but so be it.
Have to look at VERON or VRZA web sites for clasees .
2*1 calls are extra's here.

But the question was about using 2.5 kHz BW at 14.103! 
I though you were making the point that this could be illegal in EU. 

73 Rein W6SZ

-Original Message-
>From: pd4u_dares 
>Sent: Jul 10, 2010 2:32 PM
>To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [digitalradio] Re: ROS are sending data from your PC - banned call 
>list
>
>All PD calls (=novice) are allowed to TX in any mode on 40m/20m/10m on HF. 
>
>--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, rein...@... wrote:
>>
>> Marc,
>> 
>> Always like to learn more about think I do not understand.
>> 
>> Apart from causing QRM on a occupied frequency ( QRL? ),
>> you with your PD4 call are allowed to make a contact with SSB
>> or even AM at 14.003. are you not? 
>> 
>> I am talking legally here. there might be new EU rules
>> gentleman's agreements,suggested voluntary band plans,
>> you name it. Or am  out of date?
>> 
>> 73 Rein W6SZ
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> >From: pd4u_dares 
>> >Sent: Jul 10, 2010 2:02 AM
>> >To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
>> >Subject: [digitalradio] Re: ROS are sending data from your PC - banned call 
>> >list
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, "Rein A"  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >> That could well be the case. Same perhaps for some of his other
>> >> actions in the past, present and most likely in future.
>> >> 
>> >> Then, of course it really does not matter whether is is working or not!
>> >> 
>> >
>> >Indeed. It's about the wide [spread] spectrum used by ROS, that is the 
>> >basis for QRM an possible illegality [not merely in the US].
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >http://www.obriensweb.com/digispotter.html
>> >Chat, Skeds, and "Spots" all in one (resize to suit)
>> >
>> >Facebook= http://www.facebook.com/pages/digitalradio/123270301037522
>> >
>> >Yahoo! Groups Links
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>http://www.obriensweb.com/digispotter.html
>Chat, Skeds, and "Spots" all in one (resize to suit)
>
>Facebook= http://www.facebook.com/pages/digitalradio/123270301037522
>
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>
>
>

Re: [digitalradio] Re: [ROSDIGITALMODEMGROUP] Pirate behavior

[rein0zn]

Dear Steinar,

Forgive my stupidity it seems in the cluster etc business.

Let me start with this

   http://jt65.w6cqz.org/receptions.php

I loaded the software,
Configured the software with grid , call etc
Turned on the RB function ( internet reporting )
Report the calls from stations received and their S/N ,time freq offset mode 
and band

It is reporting on received signals and it does not matter or show whether I am
listening or actually making QSO's calling CQ etc,

Of course I selected to do that ( one difference with ROS )

This software repeats the actual messages received "TU Steinar 73 " or "CQ de 
W6SZ DM14" etc.
Other difference. 

Composing this I see now what you are getting at: I do not think he mis used 
your call
sign but he makes it look like you actually are in a QSO.

That is certainly a problem, and you are correct to be upset. 

He should indicate that you are just a receiving station, perhaps thanking you
for providing the service.

In part I am running these services as being a reasonable  sensitive receiving 
station
on the West Coast, thus a service but that is beyond the point.
Its the case for WSJT as well as WSPR



What gets me in this whole circus that we do not seem to be able to get
even Spanish speaking amateurs using ROS, there are many now, to engage
Jose in these matters, and make things clear to him and say we refuse to
use ROS until you correct this, boycott ROS until its done.

I am sure he his sensitive to that

I fully agree with your observations and he should made to understand that this
is absolute unacceptable.

With all these people using ROS in EU and Spain somebody should be able to 
explain that to him and force him to change it.

But then I have tried for months to explain the difference between the FCC and 
the 
ARRL Fruitless.

Still I would like to test ROS as a weak signal mode!.

73 Rein W6SZ








-Original Message-
>From: Steinar Aanesland 
>Sent: Jul 10, 2010 2:22 PM
>To: rosdigitalmodemgr...@yahoogroups.com, * Digitalradio 
>
>Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: [ROSDIGITALMODEMGROUP] Pirate behavior
>
>
>Rein, when I am are reading  "LA5VNA 14115.0 UX1CN tnx fer ROS QSO", I
>am not getting upset, only sad . It doesn't matter if this is a
>"standard message", it is a fake one. Mr. Jose has abused my call sign.
>He is trying to make it look like that I have been in a QSO with UX1CN.
>This is totally unacceptable, but I am not surprised. I am not expecting
>anything else from the Mr. Jose .
>
>la5vna Steinar
>
>
>
>On 10.07.2010 18:36, rein...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
>> Steinar,
>>
>> Your station did not copy ON3JMD with S/N - 23 dB on another frequency 
>> 14.103 - 122 or 115?
>> while ON3JMD was using the ROS Mode ( this is the PR part by Jose ) 
>> It is probably a standard message, I would not get upset about it.
>>
>>   
>
>
>
>
>
>http://www.obriensweb.com/digispotter.html
>Chat, Skeds, and "Spots" all in one (resize to suit)
>
>Facebook= http://www.facebook.com/pages/digitalradio/123270301037522
>
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

[digitalradio] Re: ROS are sending data from your PC - banned call list

[pd4u_dares]

All PD calls (=novice) are allowed to TX in any mode on 40m/20m/10m on HF. 

--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, rein...@... wrote:
>
> Marc,
> 
> Always like to learn more about think I do not understand.
> 
> Apart from causing QRM on a occupied frequency ( QRL? ),
> you with your PD4 call are allowed to make a contact with SSB
> or even AM at 14.003. are you not? 
> 
> I am talking legally here. there might be new EU rules
> gentleman's agreements,suggested voluntary band plans,
> you name it. Or am  out of date?
> 
> 73 Rein W6SZ
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> >From: pd4u_dares 
> >Sent: Jul 10, 2010 2:02 AM
> >To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: [digitalradio] Re: ROS are sending data from your PC - banned call 
> >list
> >
> >
> >
> >--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, "Rein A"  wrote:
> >>
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> That could well be the case. Same perhaps for some of his other
> >> actions in the past, present and most likely in future.
> >> 
> >> Then, of course it really does not matter whether is is working or not!
> >> 
> >
> >Indeed. It's about the wide [spread] spectrum used by ROS, that is the basis 
> >for QRM an possible illegality [not merely in the US].
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >http://www.obriensweb.com/digispotter.html
> >Chat, Skeds, and "Spots" all in one (resize to suit)
> >
> >Facebook= http://www.facebook.com/pages/digitalradio/123270301037522
> >
> >Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>

Re: AW: [digitalradio] Pirate behavior

[Steinar Aanesland]

ROS v4.6.2 Beta.exe

la5vna Steinar



On 10.07.2010 19:52, Siegfried Jackstien wrote:
> Which version?
>
> Sigi
>
>  
>
>
>   

AW: [digitalradio] Re: [ROSDIGITALMODEMGROUP] Pirate behavior

[Siegfried Jackstien]

It is time for jose to think the autospotting over

In the stating of ros it was to make it more popular (tell others that ros
is there and alive)

But now as there are more and more users we do need no autospotting . we
need a spotfunction that work like the user needs them

Only spots of real qsos with no precoded messages but user settable text
(s/n , distance etc. included)

That would be way better

And no hard coded clusters .. Better you can log on you "home-cluster" . so
also user settable

Jose . time for change .

Greetz

Sigi

 

Re: [digitalradio] Re: [ROSDIGITALMODEMGROUP] Pirate behavior

[Steinar Aanesland]

Rein, when I am are reading  "LA5VNA 14115.0 UX1CN tnx fer ROS QSO", I
am not getting upset, only sad . It doesn't matter if this is a
"standard message", it is a fake one. Mr. Jose has abused my call sign.
He is trying to make it look like that I have been in a QSO with UX1CN.
This is totally unacceptable, but I am not surprised. I am not expecting
anything else from the Mr. Jose .

la5vna Steinar



On 10.07.2010 18:36, rein...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
> Steinar,
>
> Your station did not copy ON3JMD with S/N - 23 dB on another frequency 14.103 
> - 122 or 115?
> while ON3JMD was using the ROS Mode ( this is the PR part by Jose ) 
> It is probably a standard message, I would not get upset about it.
>
>   

AW: [digitalradio] Pirate behavior

[Siegfried Jackstien]

Which version?

Sigi

 

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Pirate behavior

[rein0zn]

Julian,

Very good suggestion IMHO 

But,  would he allow every user to report? ( just yoking ) 

73 Rein W6SZ

-Original Message-
>From: g4ilo 
>Sent: Jul 10, 2010 1:00 PM
>To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [digitalradio] Re: Pirate f ROS to repoer
>
>Not only that but I think it should be a manual action to spot a contact to 
>the cluster. It is an abuse of the cluster to spot every contact or station 
>heard. Imagine if everyone did it! I thought the purpose of the cluster was to 
>spot DX. Most of those contacts listed were not DX.
>
>If ROS wants to do something like WSPR or PSK Reporter he should create his 
>own website and have his program send the spots there.
>
>Julian, G4ILO
>
>--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, rein...@... wrote:
>> 
>> I think Jose should tell his users that this is happening and perhaps
>> allow for turning it off and on.
>> 
>
>
>
>
>
>
>http://www.obriensweb.com/digispotter.html
>Chat, Skeds, and "Spots" all in one (resize to suit)
>
>Facebook= http://www.facebook.com/pages/digitalradio/123270301037522
>
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

Re: [digitalradio] VHF Contesting

[Andy obrien]

Skip's observations notwithstanding,   PSK31 and PSK63 are likely the only
modes others  will use  in the VHF Contest.  Using Domino or other better
suited modes may be technically the best thing to do, but you'll get more
points by using PSK.

Andy K3UK

[digitalradio] Re: Pirate behavior

[g4ilo]

Not only that but I think it should be a manual action to spot a contact to the 
cluster. It is an abuse of the cluster to spot every contact or station heard. 
Imagine if everyone did it! I thought the purpose of the cluster was to spot 
DX. Most of those contacts listed were not DX.

If ROS wants to do something like WSPR or PSK Reporter he should create his own 
website and have his program send the spots there.

Julian, G4ILO

--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, rein...@... wrote:
> 
> I think Jose should tell his users that this is happening and perhaps
> allow for turning it off and on.
> 

Re: [digitalradio] Re: [ROSDIGITALMODEMGROUP] Pirate behavior

[Steinar Aanesland]

Hi again

Let me make this simple Rein.

On the cluster I read this :




LA5VNA 14103.0 ON3JMD   copy ROS Mode -23 dB




I have NOT been on 14103 AND I have NOT written "copy ROS Mode -23 dB"

The ROS program PRETEND to be me.

LA5VNA Steinar

 






On 10.07.2010 17:25, Steinar Aanesland wrote:
> Hi  Rein
>
>
> I am not sure what you mean.
> My radio was NOT sending,  only receive when I was out shopping.
>
> The ROS program pretends that I ,in person, am typing this message on
> the cluster.
> This is pirate behavior.So simple is that.
>
> la5vna Steinar
>
>
>
>
> 
>
>
> On 10.07.2010 16:40, rein...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
>>
>> Steinar,
>>
>> I believe you are reporting ( spotting ) stations at  14.112
>>
>> because you are using ROS with your call inserted or not?
>>
>> I do not think this fake or am I wrong?
>>
>> You are not telling us that ROS is not running on your computer
>> and receiver or?
>>
>> 73 Rein W6SZ
>>
>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Steinar Aanesland 
>>> Sent: Jul 10, 2010 9:19 AM
>>> To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, * ROSDIGITALMODEMGROU
> 
>>> Subject: [ROSDIGITALMODEMGROUP] Pirate behavior
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi all
>>>
>>> I've done a little experiment this morning. I left my radio on 14112.0
>>> and went shopping.
>>> When I came back, the ROS software had uploaded this reports to the
> cluster:
>>>
>>>
>>> LA5VNA 14103.0 ON3JMD  copy ROS Mode -23 dB
>>> 1233 10 Jul   Belgium
>>> LA5VNA 14115.0 UX1CN   tnx fer ROS QSO 
>>> 1231 10 Jul   Ukraine
>>> LA5VNA 14112.0 IW7DGY  ROS test
>>> 1228 10 Jul   Italy
>>> LA5VNA 14103.0 LZ1ZJ   CQ ROS  
>>> 1212 10 Jul   Bulgaria
>>> LA5VNA 14115.0 UT3HA   599 ROS Mode
>>> 1207 10 Jul   Ukraine
>>> LA5VNA 14103.0 DG8YFM  ROS CQ -17 dB   
>>> 1122 10 Jul   Germany
>>> LA5VNA 14115.0 EA3AGZ  ros mode
>>> 1059 10 Jul   Spain
>>> LA5VNA 14115.0 SP3HC   ROS test,   
>>> 1049 10 Jul   Poland
>>> LA5VNA 14112.0 EB1MS   ROS, 73 
>>> 1032 10 Jul   Spain
>>> LA5VNA 14115.0 US5VAC  ROS test,   
>>> 1017 10 Jul   Ukraine
>>> LA5VNA 14115.0 EB3JT   tnx ros mode
>>> 0956 10 Jul   Spain
>>>
>>> Not only is it a fake message , the software lies about the frequency
> too.
>>>
>>> This is nothing more then pirate behavior..
>>>
>>> LA5VNA Steinar
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>

Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS are sending data from your PC - banned call list

[rein0zn]

Marc,

Always like to learn more about think I do not understand.

Apart from causing QRM on a occupied frequency ( QRL? ),
you with your PD4 call are allowed to make a contact with SSB
or even AM at 14.003. are you not? 

I am talking legally here. there might be new EU rules
gentleman's agreements,suggested voluntary band plans,
you name it. Or am  out of date?

73 Rein W6SZ


-Original Message-
>From: pd4u_dares 
>Sent: Jul 10, 2010 2:02 AM
>To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [digitalradio] Re: ROS are sending data from your PC - banned call 
>list
>
>
>
>--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, "Rein A"  wrote:
>>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> That could well be the case. Same perhaps for some of his other
>> actions in the past, present and most likely in future.
>> 
>> Then, of course it really does not matter whether is is working or not!
>> 
>
>Indeed. It's about the wide [spread] spectrum used by ROS, that is the basis 
>for QRM an possible illegality [not merely in the US].
>
>
>
>
>
>http://www.obriensweb.com/digispotter.html
>Chat, Skeds, and "Spots" all in one (resize to suit)
>
>Facebook= http://www.facebook.com/pages/digitalradio/123270301037522
>
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

Re: [digitalradio] Re: [ROSDIGITALMODEMGROUP] Pirate behavior

[Steinar Aanesland]

Hi  Rein


I am not sure what you mean.
My radio was NOT sending,  only receive when I was out shopping.

The ROS program pretends that I ,in person, am typing this message on
the cluster.
This is pirate behavior.So simple is that.

la5vna Steinar




 


On 10.07.2010 16:40, rein...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
>
> Steinar,
>
> I believe you are reporting ( spotting ) stations at  14.112
>
> because you are using ROS with your call inserted or not?
>
> I do not think this fake or am I wrong?
>
> You are not telling us that ROS is not running on your computer
> and receiver or?
>
> 73 Rein W6SZ
>
> -Original Message-
>> From: Steinar Aanesland 
>> Sent: Jul 10, 2010 9:19 AM
>> To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, * ROSDIGITALMODEMGROU

>> Subject: [ROSDIGITALMODEMGROUP] Pirate behavior
>>
>>
>> Hi all
>>
>> I've done a little experiment this morning. I left my radio on 14112.0
>> and went shopping.
>> When I came back, the ROS software had uploaded this reports to the
cluster:
>>
>>
>> LA5VNA 14103.0 ON3JMD  copy ROS Mode -23 dB 
>> 1233 10 Jul   Belgium
>> LA5VNA 14115.0 UX1CN   tnx fer ROS QSO  
>> 1231 10 Jul   Ukraine
>> LA5VNA 14112.0 IW7DGY  ROS test 
>> 1228 10 Jul   Italy
>> LA5VNA 14103.0 LZ1ZJ   CQ ROS   
>> 1212 10 Jul   Bulgaria
>> LA5VNA 14115.0 UT3HA   599 ROS Mode 
>> 1207 10 Jul   Ukraine
>> LA5VNA 14103.0 DG8YFM  ROS CQ -17 dB
>> 1122 10 Jul   Germany
>> LA5VNA 14115.0 EA3AGZ  ros mode 
>> 1059 10 Jul   Spain
>> LA5VNA 14115.0 SP3HC   ROS test,
>> 1049 10 Jul   Poland
>> LA5VNA 14112.0 EB1MS   ROS, 73  
>> 1032 10 Jul   Spain
>> LA5VNA 14115.0 US5VAC  ROS test,
>> 1017 10 Jul   Ukraine
>> LA5VNA 14115.0 EB3JT   tnx ros mode 
>> 0956 10 Jul   Spain
>>
>> Not only is it a fake message , the software lies about the frequency
too.
>>
>> This is nothing more then pirate behavior..
>>
>> LA5VNA Steinar
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>>
>>
>
>

[digitalradio] Re: Pirate behavior

[pd4u_dares]

Or try calls like:
SP0T, F1AKE,D0MMY...

--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, rein...@... wrote:
>
> Steinar,
> 
> What you should do perhaps, insert your grid square in the call window
> 
> indicating a receiver in grid square abcdef is reporting hearing AZ5ZA
> etc etc
> 
> That might work
> 
> 73 Rein W6SZ
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> >From: Steinar Aanesland 
> >Sent: Jul 10, 2010 9:19 AM
> >To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, * ROSDIGITALMODEMGROU 
> >
> >Subject: [digitalradio] Pirate behavior
> >
> >
> >Hi all
> >
> >I've done a little experiment this morning. I left my radio on 14112.0
> >and went shopping.
> >When I came back, the ROS software had uploaded this reports to the cluster:
> >
> >
> >LA5VNA 14103.0 ON3JMD  copy ROS Mode -23 dB  
> >1233 10 Jul   Belgium
> >LA5VNA 14115.0 UX1CN   tnx fer ROS QSO   
> >1231 10 Jul   Ukraine
> >LA5VNA 14112.0 IW7DGY  ROS test  
> >1228 10 Jul   Italy
> >LA5VNA 14103.0 LZ1ZJ   CQ ROS
> >1212 10 Jul   Bulgaria
> >LA5VNA 14115.0 UT3HA   599 ROS Mode  
> >1207 10 Jul   Ukraine
> >LA5VNA 14103.0 DG8YFM  ROS CQ -17 dB 
> >1122 10 Jul   Germany
> >LA5VNA 14115.0 EA3AGZ  ros mode  
> >1059 10 Jul   Spain
> >LA5VNA 14115.0 SP3HC   ROS test, 
> >1049 10 Jul   Poland
> >LA5VNA 14112.0 EB1MS   ROS, 73   
> >1032 10 Jul   Spain
> >LA5VNA 14115.0 US5VAC  ROS test, 
> >1017 10 Jul   Ukraine
> >LA5VNA 14115.0 EB3JT   tnx ros mode  
> >0956 10 Jul   Spain
> >
> >Not only is it a fake message , the software lies about the frequency too.
> >
> >This is nothing more then pirate behavior..
> >
> >LA5VNA Steinar
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >http://www.obriensweb.com/digispotter.html
> >Chat, Skeds, and "Spots" all in one (resize to suit)
> >
> >Facebook= http://www.facebook.com/pages/digitalradio/123270301037522
> >
> >Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>

Re: [digitalradio] Pirate behavior

[rein0zn]

Steinar,

What you should do perhaps, insert your grid square in the call window

indicating a receiver in grid square abcdef is reporting hearing AZ5ZA
etc etc

That might work

73 Rein W6SZ


-Original Message-
>From: Steinar Aanesland 
>Sent: Jul 10, 2010 9:19 AM
>To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, * ROSDIGITALMODEMGROU 
>
>Subject: [digitalradio] Pirate behavior
>
>
>Hi all
>
>I've done a little experiment this morning. I left my radio on 14112.0
>and went shopping.
>When I came back, the ROS software had uploaded this reports to the cluster:
>
>
>LA5VNA 14103.0 ON3JMD  copy ROS Mode -23 dB  
>1233 10 Jul   Belgium
>LA5VNA 14115.0 UX1CN   tnx fer ROS QSO   
>1231 10 Jul   Ukraine
>LA5VNA 14112.0 IW7DGY  ROS test  
>1228 10 Jul   Italy
>LA5VNA 14103.0 LZ1ZJ   CQ ROS
>1212 10 Jul   Bulgaria
>LA5VNA 14115.0 UT3HA   599 ROS Mode  
>1207 10 Jul   Ukraine
>LA5VNA 14103.0 DG8YFM  ROS CQ -17 dB 
>1122 10 Jul   Germany
>LA5VNA 14115.0 EA3AGZ  ros mode  
>1059 10 Jul   Spain
>LA5VNA 14115.0 SP3HC   ROS test, 
>1049 10 Jul   Poland
>LA5VNA 14112.0 EB1MS   ROS, 73   
>1032 10 Jul   Spain
>LA5VNA 14115.0 US5VAC  ROS test, 
>1017 10 Jul   Ukraine
>LA5VNA 14115.0 EB3JT   tnx ros mode  
>0956 10 Jul   Spain
>
>Not only is it a fake message , the software lies about the frequency too.
>
>This is nothing more then pirate behavior..
>
>LA5VNA Steinar
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>http://www.obriensweb.com/digispotter.html
>Chat, Skeds, and "Spots" all in one (resize to suit)
>
>Facebook= http://www.facebook.com/pages/digitalradio/123270301037522
>
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

Re: [digitalradio] VHF Contesting

[Mike Liller]

The wonderful thing about our hobby is there are so many different paths to 
take 
and still be a ham.  I once knew a ham in SC that only got his license so he 
could fly large scale RC aircraft on 6 meters but he was still a ham and still 
in the hobby, although he never picked up a mic or pounded a key, or touched a 
keyboard.  Many hams call the digital modes we all love here, "noise".  Over a 
year ago , when I started a VHF/UHF digital MT-200 2KL digital net to train 
ARES/RACES ops, a lot of folks thought we should have been shot for putting 
that 
noise on the repeaters even though we announced what we we doing several times 
during the net. 


Over my last 21 years of being a ham, I have tried lots of facets of the hobby 
and enjoyed them all to some degree including contesting. Contesting is a great 
way for general, and sometines tech. class operators to work DX that usually 
stays in the extra portion of the bands.  I personally don't care for CW,  but 
if that is some other ops favorite mode...to each their own. 

Field day is in its self, is a contest. I can think that nothing can compare to 
public awareness and possibility of recruiting of  new ops like Field Day.  
This 
year, our club held a VE exam during Field Day. Isn't Field Day where you sling 
wire into tress,  in a EMCOMM setting to boot.  There is no better training 
situation than field day for hams.

While I was in the USAF, I spent a year in South Korea in 92-93.  Skip is right 
about hams where English is a second language, being reluctant to carry on long 
QSOs.  Their fear embarrassment is in poor English skills. My year in Korea was 
the greatest ham radio opportunity of my life. Aside from working 100's of 
phone 
patches for the guys on base, I worked a ton of DX.  The local hams invited us 
to their homes, took us on outings, and we invited the to our Airbase and 
cooked 
burgers and dogs for them.  The were gracious, courteous ops that very much 
wanted to learn more English, but it takes a patient slow English speaking 
operator to encourage them to have more than a signal report QSO.

Enjoy the part of ham radio you love but be courteous to other ops and the 
facet 
of the hobby they love.  I know the big contests can dominate the bands, but 
how 
are contesters possibly supposed to know the huge number of nets, scheds etc.. 
on any band?  Usually, most contests exclude the WARC bands, so they are quiet 
for long QSO's. 

73 de Mike
N7NMS





From: Dan Hensley 
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, July 10, 2010 10:02:09 AM
Subject: Re: [digitalradio] VHF Contesting

  
Amateur radio is not for contesting. Amateur radio is not a sport, it is for 
communications. ..meaningful communications. Exchanging signal reports and 
series numbers or such other drivel is not what amateur radio was intended for. 


We need to start getting back to RADIO and COMMUNICATIONS, which when you put 
them together gives us the concept of actually using radio to communicate with 
each other, You contesters want to do this stupid garbage on the radio, then 
you 
need to petition the FCC for contest radio spectrum for which a special license 
would be issued. 


Then, you can exchange all of your meaningless non-communications related 
garbage to your heart's content. You contesters are making us all look bad. How 
about some of you actually getting outside and exercising while using radio the 
correct way? Go hang a wire through some trees and actually have something 
called a conversation. Take your HT with you on a walk and actually get to know 
your fellow local hams, attract others to amateur radio while showing them that 
we actually know how to have conversations. 


I know that the concept of actually having a conversation with people is hard 
for most of you to wrap your mind around, but you should really try it! It 
works! You can actually make a few more friends! A conversation happens when 
two 
people actually spend time together in a social manner while one person talks 
and the other listens, then the one who was listening responds with meaningful 
replies on an actual topic based on everyday reality. 


Friendships happen when two people actually connect. You gotta have human 
connection man! Yes, there are actually people out in the world who would like 
to know you if you just think about more than contesting and actually use some 
social skills. It works just fine when you try! 


Let's put the communications back into radio, and goodwill back into the 
amateur 
meaning of amateur radio, and bring back a focus on elmering so new hams can 
actually learn a technical skill instead of just having books shoved in their 
faces without any incentive to learn. 


--- On Sat, 7/10/10, KH6TY  wrote:


>From: KH6TY 
>Subject: Re: [digitalradio] VHF Contesting
>To: digitalradio@ yahoogroups. com
>Date: Saturday, July 10, 2010, 1:16 PM
>
>
>  
>Greg,
>
>PSK31 is a very narrow signal and unless eve

Re: [digitalradio] Re: [ROSDIGITALMODEMGROUP] Pirate behavior

[rein0zn]

OK Dave, the frequency reporting part is not working, probably minor
computer problem or ?

73 Rein W6SZ


-Original Message-
>From: Dave Wright 
>Sent: Jul 10, 2010 10:46 AM
>To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: [ROSDIGITALMODEMGROUP] Pirate behavior
>
>Yes, he is spotting on 14112but a lot of those spots were on 14115 and 
>14103 which he is not monitoring.
>
>Dave
>K3DCW
>
>
>
>On Jul 10, 2010, at 10:40 AM, rein...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
>
>> 
>> Steinar,
>> 
>> I believe you are reporting ( spotting ) stations at 14.112
>> 
>> because you are using ROS with your call inserted or not?
>> 
>> I do not think this fake or am I wrong?
>> 
>> You are not telling us that ROS is not running on your computer
>> and receiver or?
>> 
>> 73 Rein W6SZ
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> >From: Steinar Aanesland 
>> >Sent: Jul 10, 2010 9:19 AM
>> >To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, * ROSDIGITALMODEMGROU 
>> >
>> >Subject: [ROSDIGITALMODEMGROUP] Pirate behavior
>> >
>> >
>> >Hi all
>> >
>> >I've done a little experiment this morning. I left my radio on 14112.0
>> >and went shopping.
>> >When I came back, the ROS software had uploaded this reports to the cluster:
>> >
>> >
>> >LA5VNA 14103.0 ON3JMD copy ROS Mode -23 dB 
>> >1233 10 Jul Belgium
>> >LA5VNA 14115.0 UX1CN tnx fer ROS QSO 
>> >1231 10 Jul Ukraine
>> >LA5VNA 14112.0 IW7DGY ROS test 
>> >1228 10 Jul Italy
>> >LA5VNA 14103.0 LZ1ZJ CQ ROS 
>> >1212 10 Jul Bulgaria
>> >LA5VNA 14115.0 UT3HA 599 ROS Mode 
>> >1207 10 Jul Ukraine
>> >LA5VNA 14103.0 DG8YFM ROS CQ -17 dB 
>> >1122 10 Jul Germany
>> >LA5VNA 14115.0 EA3AGZ ros mode 
>> >1059 10 Jul Spain
>> >LA5VNA 14115.0 SP3HC ROS test, 
>> >1049 10 Jul Poland
>> >LA5VNA 14112.0 EB1MS ROS, 73 
>> >1032 10 Jul Spain
>> >LA5VNA 14115.0 US5VAC ROS test, 
>> >1017 10 Jul Ukraine
>> >LA5VNA 14115.0 EB3JT tnx ros mode 
>> >0956 10 Jul Spain
>> >
>> >Not only is it a fake message , the software lies about the frequency too.
>> >
>> >This is nothing more then pirate behavior..
>> >
>> >LA5VNA Steinar
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >Yahoo! Groups Links
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> 
>> 
>
>Dave
>K3DCW
>www.k3dcw.net
>

[digitalradio] Reporting Activity

[rein0zn]

The basic question is, I believe:

"Is is possible to insert activity reports that are fake"

via telnet or other means. 

If this is the case, it would allow to direct activity to certain
frequencies or away from frequencies. Enhancing working or preventing
rare DX stations etc etc.

An issue FAR away and BEYOND ROS

73 Rein W6SZ

-Original Message-
>From: Steinar Aanesland 
>Sent: Jul 10, 2010 9:19 AM
>To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, * ROSDIGITALMODEMGROU 
>
>Subject: [digitalradio] Pirate behavior
>
>
>Hi all
>
>I've done a little experiment this morning. I left my radio on 14112.0
>and went shopping.
>When I came back, the ROS software had uploaded this reports to the cluster:
>
>
>LA5VNA 14103.0 ON3JMD  copy ROS Mode -23 dB  
>1233 10 Jul   Belgium
>LA5VNA 14115.0 UX1CN   tnx fer ROS QSO   
>1231 10 Jul   Ukraine
>LA5VNA 14112.0 IW7DGY  ROS test  
>1228 10 Jul   Italy
>LA5VNA 14103.0 LZ1ZJ   CQ ROS
>1212 10 Jul   Bulgaria
>LA5VNA 14115.0 UT3HA   599 ROS Mode  
>1207 10 Jul   Ukraine
>LA5VNA 14103.0 DG8YFM  ROS CQ -17 dB 
>1122 10 Jul   Germany
>LA5VNA 14115.0 EA3AGZ  ros mode  
>1059 10 Jul   Spain
>LA5VNA 14115.0 SP3HC   ROS test, 
>1049 10 Jul   Poland
>LA5VNA 14112.0 EB1MS   ROS, 73   
>1032 10 Jul   Spain
>LA5VNA 14115.0 US5VAC  ROS test, 
>1017 10 Jul   Ukraine
>LA5VNA 14115.0 EB3JT   tnx ros mode  
>0956 10 Jul   Spain
>
>Not only is it a fake message , the software lies about the frequency too.
>
>This is nothing more then pirate behavior..
>
>LA5VNA Steinar
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>http://www.obriensweb.com/digispotter.html
>Chat, Skeds, and "Spots" all in one (resize to suit)
>
>Facebook= http://www.facebook.com/pages/digitalradio/123270301037522
>
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

Re: [digitalradio] Re: [ROSDIGITALMODEMGROUP] Pirate behavior

[Dave Wright]

Yes, he is spotting on 14112but a lot of those spots were on 14115 and 
14103 which he is not monitoring.

Dave
K3DCW



On Jul 10, 2010, at 10:40 AM, rein...@ix.netcom.com wrote:

> 
> Steinar,
> 
> I believe you are reporting ( spotting ) stations at 14.112
> 
> because you are using ROS with your call inserted or not?
> 
> I do not think this fake or am I wrong?
> 
> You are not telling us that ROS is not running on your computer
> and receiver or?
> 
> 73 Rein W6SZ
> 
> -Original Message-
> >From: Steinar Aanesland 
> >Sent: Jul 10, 2010 9:19 AM
> >To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, * ROSDIGITALMODEMGROU 
> >
> >Subject: [ROSDIGITALMODEMGROUP] Pirate behavior
> >
> >
> >Hi all
> >
> >I've done a little experiment this morning. I left my radio on 14112.0
> >and went shopping.
> >When I came back, the ROS software had uploaded this reports to the cluster:
> >
> >
> >LA5VNA 14103.0 ON3JMD copy ROS Mode -23 dB 
> >1233 10 Jul Belgium
> >LA5VNA 14115.0 UX1CN tnx fer ROS QSO 
> >1231 10 Jul Ukraine
> >LA5VNA 14112.0 IW7DGY ROS test 
> >1228 10 Jul Italy
> >LA5VNA 14103.0 LZ1ZJ CQ ROS 
> >1212 10 Jul Bulgaria
> >LA5VNA 14115.0 UT3HA 599 ROS Mode 
> >1207 10 Jul Ukraine
> >LA5VNA 14103.0 DG8YFM ROS CQ -17 dB 
> >1122 10 Jul Germany
> >LA5VNA 14115.0 EA3AGZ ros mode 
> >1059 10 Jul Spain
> >LA5VNA 14115.0 SP3HC ROS test, 
> >1049 10 Jul Poland
> >LA5VNA 14112.0 EB1MS ROS, 73 
> >1032 10 Jul Spain
> >LA5VNA 14115.0 US5VAC ROS test, 
> >1017 10 Jul Ukraine
> >LA5VNA 14115.0 EB3JT tnx ros mode 
> >0956 10 Jul Spain
> >
> >Not only is it a fake message , the software lies about the frequency too.
> >
> >This is nothing more then pirate behavior..
> >
> >LA5VNA Steinar
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> 
> 

Dave
K3DCW
www.k3dcw.net

[digitalradio] Re: [ROSDIGITALMODEMGROUP] Pirate behavior

[rein0zn]

Steinar,

I believe you are reporting ( spotting ) stations at  14.112

because you are using ROS with your call inserted or not?

I do not think this fake or am I wrong?

You are not telling us that ROS is not running on your computer
and receiver or?

73 Rein W6SZ

-Original Message-
>From: Steinar Aanesland 
>Sent: Jul 10, 2010 9:19 AM
>To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, * ROSDIGITALMODEMGROU 
>
>Subject: [ROSDIGITALMODEMGROUP] Pirate behavior
>
>
>Hi all
>
>I've done a little experiment this morning. I left my radio on 14112.0
>and went shopping.
>When I came back, the ROS software had uploaded this reports to the cluster:
>
>
>LA5VNA 14103.0 ON3JMD  copy ROS Mode -23 dB  
>1233 10 Jul   Belgium
>LA5VNA 14115.0 UX1CN   tnx fer ROS QSO   
>1231 10 Jul   Ukraine
>LA5VNA 14112.0 IW7DGY  ROS test  
>1228 10 Jul   Italy
>LA5VNA 14103.0 LZ1ZJ   CQ ROS
>1212 10 Jul   Bulgaria
>LA5VNA 14115.0 UT3HA   599 ROS Mode  
>1207 10 Jul   Ukraine
>LA5VNA 14103.0 DG8YFM  ROS CQ -17 dB 
>1122 10 Jul   Germany
>LA5VNA 14115.0 EA3AGZ  ros mode  
>1059 10 Jul   Spain
>LA5VNA 14115.0 SP3HC   ROS test, 
>1049 10 Jul   Poland
>LA5VNA 14112.0 EB1MS   ROS, 73   
>1032 10 Jul   Spain
>LA5VNA 14115.0 US5VAC  ROS test, 
>1017 10 Jul   Ukraine
>LA5VNA 14115.0 EB3JT   tnx ros mode  
>0956 10 Jul   Spain
>
>Not only is it a fake message , the software lies about the frequency too.
>
>This is nothing more then pirate behavior..
>
>LA5VNA Steinar
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

Re: [digitalradio] Pirate behavior

[rein0zn]

Hello Steinar,


Apart from  you not knowing that this was going on in the background

AND you should have been told, I think

It might be part of modern amateur radio activity.

I think Jose should tell his users that this is happening and perhaps
allow for turning it off and on.

>From my point of view I have no real problem with it. We transmit
in a public medium and should be aware of this. 

Amateur transmissions are not private and have never been, outside
the US the regulators tell us what amateur radio is not. You know
what I am talking about. ( hate talk, politics , religion etc )

The same reporting is probably going on here with my monitoring the WSJT
signals at 14076. 

 http://jt65.w6cqz.org/receptions.php

Now in this case, I have turned on the RB function in order to report
to Joe's RB site ( W4CQZ ) And Joe told me the other day, that he feeds
data into HAMSPOTS.
HAMSPOTS reports receiving data from W4CQZ RB site.

There might be a lot more of that going on, who knows. In my case
I have no problem with it.

I started this all because I was interested in US activity using ROS.
(I know, we are supposed not to talk about this whatever, it IS illegal )
I wanted to know what these calls represent, made up, fake or real.

I contacted one of those amateurs and he told me that he had not been
aware of the legal situation of ROS. 

Well not everybody is an ARRL member. 

Without the insertion of a call in the ROS configuration, this does not
happen. 

I actually think Joe did add this as an enhancement, though it increases
the visibility of ROS of course at the same time

In fact yesterday there were NO US calls visible on HAMSPOTS. 
I noticed that the Twitter had been turned off or something changed

Don't Twitter here!

73 Rein W6SZ






-Original Message-
>From: Steinar Aanesland 
>Sent: Jul 10, 2010 1:19 PM
>To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, * ROSDIGITALMODEMGROU 
>
>Subject: [digitalradio] Pirate behavior
>
>
>Hi all
>
>I've done a little experiment this morning. I left my radio on 14112.0
>and went shopping.
>When I came back, the ROS software had uploaded this reports to the cluster:
>
>
>LA5VNA 14103.0 ON3JMD  copy ROS Mode -23 dB  
>1233 10 Jul   Belgium
>LA5VNA 14115.0 UX1CN   tnx fer ROS QSO   
>1231 10 Jul   Ukraine
>LA5VNA 14112.0 IW7DGY  ROS test  
>1228 10 Jul   Italy
>LA5VNA 14103.0 LZ1ZJ   CQ ROS
>1212 10 Jul   Bulgaria
>LA5VNA 14115.0 UT3HA   599 ROS Mode  
>1207 10 Jul   Ukraine
>LA5VNA 14103.0 DG8YFM  ROS CQ -17 dB 
>1122 10 Jul   Germany
>LA5VNA 14115.0 EA3AGZ  ros mode  
>1059 10 Jul   Spain
>LA5VNA 14115.0 SP3HC   ROS test, 
>1049 10 Jul   Poland
>LA5VNA 14112.0 EB1MS   ROS, 73   
>1032 10 Jul   Spain
>LA5VNA 14115.0 US5VAC  ROS test, 
>1017 10 Jul   Ukraine
>LA5VNA 14115.0 EB3JT   tnx ros mode  
>0956 10 Jul   Spain
>
>Not only is it a fake message , the software lies about the frequency too.
>
>This is nothing more then pirate behavior..
>
>LA5VNA Steinar
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>http://www.obriensweb.com/digispotter.html
>Chat, Skeds, and "Spots" all in one (resize to suit)
>
>Facebook= http://www.facebook.com/pages/digitalradio/123270301037522
>
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

Re: [digitalradio] VHF Contesting

[bruce mallon]

I AGREE !
 
However not all contesters are a PAIN IN THE *## just the few that push others 
out of the way and interfer with daly QSO and nets ..

--- On Sat, 7/10/10, Dan Hensley  wrote:


From: Dan Hensley 
Subject: Re: [digitalradio] VHF Contesting
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, July 10, 2010, 10:02 AM


  







Amateur radio is not for contesting. Amateur radio is not a sport, it is for 
communications. ..meaningful communications. Exchanging signal reports and 
series numbers or such other drivel is not what amateur radio was intended for. 

We need to start getting back to RADIO and COMMUNICATIONS, which when you put 
them together gives us the concept of actually using radio to communicate with 
each other, You contesters want to do this stupid garbage on the radio, then 
you need to petition the FCC for contest radio spectrum for which a special 
license would be issued. 

Then, you can exchange all of your meaningless non-communications related 
garbage to your heart's content. You contesters are making us all look bad. How 
about some of you actually getting outside and exercising while using radio the 
correct way? Go hang a wire through some trees and actually have something 
called a conversation. Take your HT with you on a walk and actually get to know 
your fellow local hams, attract others to amateur radio while showing them that 
we actually know how to have conversations. 

I know that the concept of actually having a conversation with people is hard 
for most of you to wrap your mind around, but you should really try it! It 
works! You can actually make a few more friends! A conversation happens when 
two people actually spend time together in a social manner while one person 
talks and the other listens, then the one who was listening responds with 
meaningful replies on an actual topic based on everyday reality. 

Friendships happen when two people actually connect. You gotta have human 
connection man! Yes, there are actually people out in the world who would like 
to know you if you just think about more than contesting and actually use some 
social skills. It works just fine when you try! 

Let's put the communications back into radio, and goodwill back into the 
amateur meaning of amateur radio, and bring back a focus on elmering so new 
hams can actually learn a technical skill instead of just having books shoved 
in their faces without any incentive to learn. 

--- On Sat, 7/10/10, KH6TY  wrote:


From: KH6TY 
Subject: Re: [digitalradio] VHF Contesting
To: digitalradio@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Saturday, July 10, 2010, 1:16 PM


  

Greg,

PSK31 is a very narrow signal and unless every transceiver has a TCXO, the 
drift may be too much for the AFC to follow. PSK31 is also very subject to 
Doppler distortino. In South Caronina, we use DominoEx 8 or DominoEx4 for 2m, 
but Olivia or Contestia works even better with the mulitpath and  Doppler 
disturbances you often encounter. Contestia 64/1000 has proven to be the very 
best digital mode for UHF and VHF weak signsl and I run a daily schedule using 
that mode on 432.

The problem is that probably nobody else is on any of the digital modes on 2m 
to talk to, but you could arrange some skeds. I suggest you use Contestia 
64/1000 for the best results. Unfortunately, only fldigi currently supports 
Contestia 64/1000, so instead, try Contestia 32/1000 which DM780 and Multipsk 
both support. You will lose 3 dB in S/N, but it will still work pretty well. At 
least it will survive the QSB and Doppler disturbances on VHF.

It would be great to see more people using Contestia on 144 and 432 weak signal 
work. Contestia will copy down to the noise when SSB is no longer able to be 
understood, and, at 30 wpm, is twice as fast as Olivia. You need at least a 
1000 Hz signal bandwidth to fight the Doppler disturbances.

73, Skip KH6TY


On 7/10/2010 7:38 AM, GregCT wrote: 
  

National level. My hopes are high, but i'm not sure if the effort of lugging 
the laptop along and keeping it powered up will be worth the result.. 
Any thoughts, ideas, comments that can you can send my way are appreciated, 
both 'for' and 'against'... and Thank you in advance for all that have any 
input/help advice to contribute

73
Greg
N1KPW









  

Re: [digitalradio] VHF Contesting

[Dan Hensley]

Amateur radio is not for contesting. Amateur radio is not a sport, it is for 
communications...meaningful communications. Exchanging signal reports and 
series numbers or such other drivel is not what amateur radio was intended for. 

We need to start getting back to RADIO and COMMUNICATIONS, which when you put 
them together gives us the concept of actually using radio to communicate with 
each other, You contesters want to do this stupid garbage on the radio, then 
you need to petition the FCC for contest radio spectrum for which a special 
license would be issued. 

Then, you can exchange all of your meaningless non-communications related 
garbage to your heart's content. You contesters are making us all look bad. How 
about some of you actually getting outside and exercising while using radio the 
correct way? Go hang a wire through some trees and actually have something 
called a conversation. Take your HT with you on a walk and actually get to know 
your fellow local hams, attract others to amateur radio while showing them that 
we actually know how to have conversations. 

I know that the concept of actually having a conversation with people is hard 
for most of you to wrap your mind around, but you should really try it! It 
works! You can actually make a few more friends! A conversation happens when 
two people actually spend time together in a social manner while one person 
talks and the other listens, then the one who was listening responds with 
meaningful replies on an actual topic based on everyday reality. 

Friendships happen when two people actually connect. You gotta have human 
connection man! Yes, there are actually people out in the world who would like 
to know you if you just think about more than contesting and actually use some 
social skills. It works just fine when you try! 

Let's put the communications back into radio, and goodwill back into the 
amateur meaning of amateur radio, and bring back a focus on elmering so new 
hams can actually learn a technical skill instead of just having books shoved 
in their faces without any incentive to learn. 

--- On Sat, 7/10/10, KH6TY  wrote:

From: KH6TY 
Subject: Re: [digitalradio] VHF Contesting
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, July 10, 2010, 1:16 PM







 



  



  
  
  



Greg,



PSK31 is a very narrow signal and unless every transceiver has a TCXO,
the drift may be too much for the AFC to follow. PSK31 is also very
subject to Doppler distortino. In South Caronina, we use DominoEx 8 or
DominoEx4 for 2m, but Olivia or Contestia works even better with the
mulitpath and  Doppler disturbances you often encounter. Contestia
64/1000 has proven to be the very best digital mode for UHF and VHF
weak signsl and I run a daily schedule using that mode on 432.



The problem is that probably nobody else is on any of the digital modes
on 2m to talk to, but you could arrange some skeds. I suggest you use
Contestia 64/1000 for the best results. Unfortunately, only fldigi
currently supports Contestia 64/1000, so instead, try Contestia 32/1000
which DM780 and Multipsk both support. You will lose 3 dB in S/N, but
it will still work pretty well. At least it will survive the QSB and
Doppler disturbances on VHF.



It would be great to see more people using Contestia on 144 and 432
weak signal work. Contestia will copy down to the noise when SSB is no
longer able to be understood, and, at 30 wpm, is twice as fast as
Olivia. You need at least a 1000 Hz signal bandwidth to fight the
Doppler disturbances.



73, Skip KH6TY





On 7/10/2010 7:38 AM, GregCT wrote:
 

  
  Hello and Good morning to all,

Just looking for a little advise and guidance here. Next weekend is the
CQ WW VHF Contest, I'm looking forward to setting out and playing in
the contest and I'm thinking of attempting some digital contacts along
with the usual SSB to up the score a bit. I've been having alot of fun
with PSK31 mostly on HF with a spattering of other modes mixed in but
PSK being the most prevelant. I think I would most likely see some PSK
activity on 6m, but don't really know what to expect or look for as far
as modes on the 2m side of things. Would someone operate PSK on that
band or one of the other modes? I'm running HRD with DM780. 

My personal best score in the contest was in 2006 when I earned 1st
place Rover for the New England Division with 8142 points. Due to work
and family commitments, I was not able to enter again until last year,
which also earned me 1st place New England again. I'm hoping that by
adding the weak signal digital modes to the mix that I may "Defend" my
title in this year's contest but also beat my personal best score and
possible make it into the mix of the competition at the National level.
My hopes are high, but i'm not sure if the effort of lugging the laptop
along and keeping it powered up will be worth the result.. 

Any thoughts, ideas, comments that can you can send my way are
appreciated, both 'for' and 

Re: [digitalradio] VHF Contesting

[bruce mallon]

There are lots of people on PSK31 here on 6 meters  and some on 2 meters 
too ... it works for them .

--- On Sat, 7/10/10, GregCT  wrote:


From: GregCT 
Subject: [digitalradio] VHF Contesting
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, July 10, 2010, 7:38 AM


  



Hello and Good morning to all,
Just looking for a little advise and guidance here. Next weekend is the CQ WW 
VHF Contest, I'm looking forward to setting out and playing in the contest and 
I'm thinking of attempting some digital contacts along with the usual SSB to up 
the score a bit. I've been having alot of fun with PSK31 mostly on HF with a 
spattering of other modes mixed in but PSK being the most prevelant. I think I 
would most likely see some PSK activity on 6m, but don't really know what to 
expect or look for as far as modes on the 2m side of things. Would someone 
operate PSK on that band or one of the other modes? I'm running HRD with DM780. 
My personal best score in the contest was in 2006 when I earned 1st place Rover 
for the New England Division with 8142 points. Due to work and family 
commitments, I was not able to enter again until last year, which also earned 
me 1st place New England again. I'm hoping that by adding the weak signal 
digital modes to the mix that I may "Defend" my title in this year's contest 
but also beat my personal best score and possible make it into the mix of the 
competition at the National level. My hopes are high, but i'm not sure if the 
effort of lugging the laptop along and keeping it powered up will be worth the 
result.. 
Any thoughts, ideas, comments that can you can send my way are appreciated, 
both 'for' and 'against'... and Thank you in advance for all that have any 
input/help advice to contribute

73
Greg
N1KPW









  

[digitalradio] Pirate behavior

[Steinar Aanesland]

Hi all

I've done a little experiment this morning. I left my radio on 14112.0
and went shopping.
When I came back, the ROS software had uploaded this reports to the cluster:


LA5VNA 14103.0 ON3JMD  copy ROS Mode -23 dB  
1233 10 Jul   Belgium
LA5VNA 14115.0 UX1CN   tnx fer ROS QSO   
1231 10 Jul   Ukraine
LA5VNA 14112.0 IW7DGY  ROS test  
1228 10 Jul   Italy
LA5VNA 14103.0 LZ1ZJ   CQ ROS
1212 10 Jul   Bulgaria
LA5VNA 14115.0 UT3HA   599 ROS Mode  
1207 10 Jul   Ukraine
LA5VNA 14103.0 DG8YFM  ROS CQ -17 dB 
1122 10 Jul   Germany
LA5VNA 14115.0 EA3AGZ  ros mode  
1059 10 Jul   Spain
LA5VNA 14115.0 SP3HC   ROS test, 
1049 10 Jul   Poland
LA5VNA 14112.0 EB1MS   ROS, 73   
1032 10 Jul   Spain
LA5VNA 14115.0 US5VAC  ROS test, 
1017 10 Jul   Ukraine
LA5VNA 14115.0 EB3JT   tnx ros mode  
0956 10 Jul   Spain

Not only is it a fake message , the software lies about the frequency too.

This is nothing more then pirate behavior..

LA5VNA Steinar

[digitalradio] VHF Contesting

[GregCT]

Hello and Good morning to all,
Just looking for a little advise and guidance here. Next weekend is the CQ 
WW VHF Contest, I'm looking forward to setting out and playing in the contest 
and I'm thinking of attempting some digital contacts along with the usual SSB 
to up the score a bit. I've been having alot of fun with PSK31 mostly on HF 
with a spattering of other modes mixed in but PSK being the most prevelant. I 
think I would most likely see some PSK activity on 6m, but don't really know 
what to expect or look for as far as modes on the 2m side of things. Would 
someone operate PSK on that band or one of the other modes? I'm running HRD 
with DM780. 
 My personal best score in the contest was in 2006 when I earned 1st place 
Rover for the New England Division with 8142 points. Due to work and family 
commitments, I was not able to enter again until last year, which also earned 
me 1st place New England again. I'm hoping that by adding the weak signal 
digital modes to the mix that I may "Defend" my title in this year's contest 
but also beat my personal best score and possible make it into the mix of the 
competition at the National level. My hopes are high, but i'm not sure if the 
effort of lugging the laptop along and keeping it powered up will be worth the 
result.. 
Any thoughts, ideas, comments that can you can send my way are appreciated, 
both 'for' and 'against'... and Thank you in advance for all that have any 
input/help advice to contribute

73
Greg
N1KPW

 

[digitalradio] Re: ROS are sending data from your PC - banned call list

[graham787]

looks like things have  moved on , I have tried a  few of the  call's that  had 
been reported blocked , and all  seem to  work  normally 

Its not the  first  software that had a  barred list the  first was originated 
in the  usa , linked to the  pk232 , thats  free for all  to use  now 

G .. 


--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, "g4ilo"  wrote:
>
> I would not have been confident that there was not a more subtle surprise in 
> the program for those on his list. Given the information revealed here that 
> it sends information to websites I can't control, even if as far as we know 
> they are just DX clusters, I still have no wish to run the program. But thank 
> you for your brave effort in trying it.
> 
> Julian, G4ILO
> 
> --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, "pd4u_dares"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > I entered the call(s) in the config. Unplugged my interface and listened to 
> > the output of my souncard while I pushed the "CQ" button in ROS. The text 
> > "CQ  CQ  de  N1SZ  N1SZ pse k  " appeared in the TX window and when I 
> > pushed PTT... it worked...
> >
>

[digitalradio] Re: ROS are sending data from your PC - banned call list

[g4ilo]

I would not have been confident that there was not a more subtle surprise in 
the program for those on his list. Given the information revealed here that it 
sends information to websites I can't control, even if as far as we know they 
are just DX clusters, I still have no wish to run the program. But thank you 
for your brave effort in trying it.

Julian, G4ILO

--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, "pd4u_dares"  wrote:
>
> 
> I entered the call(s) in the config. Unplugged my interface and listened to 
> the output of my souncard while I pushed the "CQ" button in ROS. The text "CQ 
>  CQ  de  N1SZ  N1SZ pse k  " appeared in the TX window and when I pushed 
> PTT... it worked...
>