RE: [digitalradio] Vista Digital System Navigation for Hardware Setting and Info

[Radiotronic Gizmo]

My first post in this group! --Rick is dead on IMHO.

 

They are essentially  the same with some distinct differences – but I hope
we don’t go through the 98 vs ME  vs XP debates/wars  again – people hate
change and Microsoft doesn’t hate you and want to destroy  your life by
downgrading every edition of their next operating system they spent years
and billions of dollars to develop.

 

The important distinction is 32 bit version vs the 64 bit --  on the 64 bit
side – the driver support is really lagging, so I would stick with the 32
bit because of the backward compatibility of drivers – and speaking of
backwards – it is ALWAYS the ham radio stuff that has problems with the next
gen op sys – Longhorn – the beta version of Vista, has been available to
developers for over 2 ½ years – so they could develop their software and
drivers and have them all ready for vista release…. People on the commercial
side with bucks to bet on – took the hint and got ready.

 

But – enough of that – what I have done,  is something interesting that some
folks might try – download the FREE copy of virtual PC 2007 from Microsoft.
Run XP  AND VISTA  AND LINUX all at  the same time on the same computer –
and any variation thereof.   It’s very easy to set up ,  and it is fun.  Y
ou can have an xp window, and vista window open just like app windows. 

 

If you have the inclination or time – play with that – I did because I had a
bunch of Edgport (now digi) USB to serial converter boxes for my radios –
and they wouldn’t release a vista driver for ever  (they now do).  So I
first decided to keep the computer at XP , then said to hell with it, and
put in virtual 2007 .

 

I tried VMWare also – it works just about the same -- - either way, virtual
computing is the nex-gen technology-  might as well get used to it, and sigh
when everyone else is ‘forced to’. 

 

It really is incredibly easy to install, and use – and it is free – and you
can have your cake and eat it too - - have XP and Vista (and unix)  --
running on the same computer – they are just different ‘vitrual machines’
that run in their own windows.

 

Cheers

 

 

 

From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Rick
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2007 5:02 PM
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Vista Digital System Navigation for Hardware
Setting and Info

 

I am a bit surprised at the comments about Vista vs. XP. I have two 
computers in my shack that are side by side with a KVM switch so I can 
access either of them from my main control point. I mostly use XP for 
backward compatibility since all amateur radio programs that I use will 
run on XP without crashing or having any incompatibilities. I run XP 
because almost all new computers here in the U.S. come with Vista. In 
fact, I overheard a conversation at a BestBuy store where the customer 
(an elderly woman obviously fearful of incompatibility issues) wanted XP 
rather than Vista but the clerk said they no longer had any machines 
that they could get with XP. He recommended they look at their web site 
and consider switching to MAC if she did not want to go with Vista. I 
wonder if she realized what that meant in terms of incompatibility:(

Vista is pretty much XP with some window dressing and increased 
security, and unfortunately some decreased practical use for the end 
user due to the DRM issues. However, that does not affect amateur radio 
programs. Thus far I have been repeatedly surprised how well Vista works 
after hearing all the horror stories about how bad it would be. It runs 
most of the ham software that I use (DX Lab suite of programs, Multipsk, 
Ham Radio Deluxe with the Digital Master 780 digital program), and runs 
any of my normal programs which are primarily FLOSS (Free/Libre/Open 
Source Software) which include the Open Office suite, Thunderbird 
e-mail. Firefox browser, MediaMonkey library/catalog/player system that 
can handle open standards such as FLAC and of course ogg vorbis, Google 
Earth, Adobe Reader, and AVG Anti Virus. Some exceptions might be the 
virtual stuff, but after trying some of that with XP, I have decided it 
is probably not going to work for me anyway.

73,

Rick, KV9U

WD8ARZ Comcast wrote:
 Navigating can be such a pain when going from xp to vista. Both worlds 
 have there plus and minus properties and I am not advocating or 
 bashing either. Just happen to use em and other operating systems, and 
 I am glad to share that experience.
 

 

RE: [digitalradio] Re: CQ CH?

[Radiotronic Gizmo]

I really don't want to start a CW vs anything war here - really I DON'T..
but you are dead wrong on CW - it is faster to talk with CW than with voice
and you can QSK - that is what is was invented for.Tnx es c u l om es 73

 

 

From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of kv9u
Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 9:48 AM
To: =SMTP:digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: CQ CH?

 

I used to wonder about this, but I think that much of this is related to 
the nature of the mode. One of the main reasons that CW and digital tend 
to have fewer disagreements is that it is not as easy to have the 
quicker back and forth ability you have on voice modes. You also don't 
get the cues of the other persons voice timbre and nuances.

What is a strong viewpoint to some is normal to others, and we see 
that on any internet group as well. Only it can be even worse, because 
even though the slower speeds on radio do allow for faster back and 
forth exchanges. I had that last night with a ham who was very 
frustrated with 141A in Multipsk because we could not connect in FAE. I 
was surprised how angry he got in a matter of minutes of frustration.

With analog voice, you can talk back and forth many times faster than 
you can on keyboard or CW modes and you accelerate interaction. Most 
people are probably similar to my speed of around 40 wpm or so for 
keyboarding which is a fraction of the speed of talking. Also, most CW 
and digital contacts tend to be more superficial and short.

And another thing about digital is that you can not have several 
stations transmitting on the same station at the same time like you can 
with analog voice and CW. So you don't get the snide comments from 
others like you will get on voice and even CW. I was listening to the 
tests the other day from the hams using WinDRM and it was similar to AM 
phone with the longer transmissions of a roundtable discussion. Of 
course with weaker stations, you get nothing:(

73,

Rick, KV9U

Simon Brown wrote:
 I agree - listening to SSB can really turn one off Ham Radio for good, 
 I don't think I've ever seen an argument on digital modes.
 
 Simon Brown, HB9DRV

 - Original Message -
 *From:* Joe Serocki mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
mailto:joeserocki%40gmail.com 
 
 Want to reinforce this? Listen to the loonies on 75 Phone, 14.275,
 etc. The TRY to find someone on any rant on a digital mode. I
 doubt you could find one, much less one who sits there complaining
 how the government is not giving him enough of a handout!


 

RE: [digitalradio] Re: CQ CH?

[Radiotronic Gizmo]

Well, my point was that  you can't include cw as a digital mode - using q
sigs and shorthand you can knock out 10 qsos in the time it takes one on
sideband.  You can whistle it, tap it on a table, use a flashlight, tap two
wires together, etc.

You don't need a friggin computer to communicate at high speed.

 

From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of bruce mallon
Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 2:27 PM
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: CQ CH?

 

Rick ...

99% of us took the code and don't use it. BUT that
said nothing wrong with thoes who are GOOD at and
enjoy the mode  I myself love lissing to the guys
zipping along at 12-20 wpm even if i can only copy a
few letters in a row  It's a neet mode and VERY
good when you have to pull things out of the noise
 Sometimes people just think old is not any good
... and to many CW is a old useless mode .

Bruce
On 6 since 66

Your comment 
Like most things, there are always some extreme
examples that you could point to, but 99% of us are
not going to be doing QRQ CW. It took tremendous work
for me to even pass the 20 wpm CW test at the FCC
years ago. And not many hams today even know Morse
code at any speed, much less at QRQ speeds.

__
Be a PS3 game guru.
Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games.
http://videogames.yahoo.com/platform?platform=120121

 

RE: [digitalradio] Re: CQ CH?

[Radiotronic Gizmo]

I agree - you can spot the keyboarders on cw immediately - they spell
everything out like they were typing into a computer.

Boring - if you are keyboarding on cw and your QSO disappears - its cause
you chased him off.

 

I am not going to listen to I LIVE OVER IN THE SOUTH SIDE OF CHICAGO - THE
WEATHER HERE IS OK BUT A LITTLE ON THE COLD SIDE. WHAT KIND OF RIG ARE YOU
USING?

When a QTH  Chicago - wx cold - rig hr knwd - how?  K

Would do it.

(in about 1/10th the time).

 

 

From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of kv9u
Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 7:31 PM
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: CQ CH?

 

Bruce and group members,

I am not suggesting in any way that only 1% of hams use CW. I am talking 
about QRQ CW where you are having a near real time conversation. It 
seems to me that you have to get up around 30 or 35 wpm or more to even 
approach that point from what I have seen. One of the big equalizers is 
the use of the short forms on CW.

Did you ever notice that on digital modes, most of us type in the full 
text and do not tend to use the short forms (fer, es, ?, wid, tt, etc.) 
which are used quite a bit by savvy operators? The one difference (just 
like digital keyboarding) is when the CW operator is using a keyboard 
rather than a keyer. It seems that there is more of a tendency to spell 
it out in full. With the keyboard (perfectly sent code) I sometimes will 
use a computer to follow along.

You do have a fairly substantial number of CW contesters, although the 
exchanges are fairly standardized and it may be a bit different from a 
longer chat.

My normal code speed is very comfortable around 15 to 18 wpm, but I 
consider it to be fairly slow code. I will QRS though for anyone. If I 
try and get up around 25, I start missing too many characters as I have 
never learned to copy in my head and see the letters spell the words. 
There are a few exceptions with common words and certain syllables such 
as the ing which stands out for me.

Isn't it just fantastic that most rigs now come with built-in keyers? 
That is so slick compared to having YAB (Yet Another Box) to connect up 
between the key paddle and the rig:) I even figure out a way to connect 
my Bencher paddle to either my Ten Tec Argonaut V or my ICOM rig with 
one cable for the ICOM, and an 1/8 stereo to 1/4 stereo female jack 
for the Argo, and then it coincidentally works with a straight key with 
the Argo without any wiring changes:)

73,

Rick, KV9U

bruce mallon wrote:
 Rick ...

 99% of us took the code and don't use it. BUT that
 said nothing wrong with thoes who are GOOD at and
 enjoy the mode  I myself love lissing to the guys
 zipping along at 12-20 wpm even if i can only copy a
 few letters in a row  It's a neet mode and VERY
 good when you have to pull things out of the noise
  Sometimes people just think old is not any good
 ... and to many CW is a old useless mode .

 Bruce
 On 6 since 66

 Your comment 
 Like most things, there are always some extreme
 examples that you could point to, but 99% of us are
 not going to be doing QRQ CW. It took tremendous work
 for me to even pass the 20 wpm CW test at the FCC
 years ago. And not many hams today even know Morse
 code at any speed, much less at QRQ speeds.

 

 

RE: [digitalradio] Re: CQ CH?

[Radiotronic Gizmo]

Roger roger and QSL - but we were talking about ham radio QSOs

 

From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Les Warriner
Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 7:57 PM
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [digitalradio] Re: CQ CH?

 

And if you are describing an incident where a tornado has touched down you
can certainly make sure that the people in the emergency operations center
know exactly what you are talking - sorry keying - about and the location
abbreviated.  We learned the hard way in Korea and Viet Nam spell it out -
even on CW and it takes forever to do so.  Mistakes cost lives in many
situations.

At 04:51 PM 3/21/2007, you wrote:

I agree - you can spot the keyboarders on cw immediately - they spell
everything out like they were typing into a computer.

Boring - if you are keyboarding on cw and your QSO disappears - its cause
you chased him off.

 

I am not going to listen to I LIVE OVER IN THE SOUTH SIDE OF CHICAGO - THE
WEATHER HERE IS OK BUT A LITTLE ON THE COLD SIDE. WHAT KIND OF RIG ARE YOU
USING?

When a QTH  Chicago - wx cold - rig hr knwd - how?  K

Would do it.

(in about 1/10th the time).

 

 

From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [ mailto:digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
mailto:digitalradio@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of kv9u
Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 7:31 PM
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: CQ CH?

 

Bruce and group members,

I am not suggesting in any way that only 1% of hams use CW. I am talking 
about QRQ CW where you are having a near real time conversation. It 
seems to me that you have to get up around 30 or 35 wpm or more to even 
approach that point from what I have seen. One of the big equalizers is 
the use of the short forms on CW.

Did you ever notice that on digital modes, most of us type in the full 
text and do not tend to use the short forms (fer, es, ?, wid, tt, etc.) 
which are used quite a bit by savvy operators? The one difference (just 
like digital keyboarding) is when the CW operator is using a keyboard 
rather than a keyer. It seems that there is more of a tendency to spell 
it out in full. With the keyboard (perfectly sent code) I sometimes will 
use a computer to follow along.

You do have a fairly substantial number of CW contesters, although the 
exchanges are fairly standardized and it may be a bit different from a 
longer chat.

My normal code speed is very comfortable around 15 to 18 wpm, but I 
consider it to be fairly slow code. I will QRS though for anyone. If I 
try and get up around 25, I start missing too many characters as I have 
never learned to copy in my head and see the letters spell the words. 
There are a few exceptions with common words and certain syllables such 
as the ing which stands out for me.

Isn't it just fantastic that most rigs now come with built-in keyers? 
That is so slick compared to having YAB (Yet Another Box) to connect up 
between the key paddle and the rig:) I even figure out a way to connect 
my Bencher paddle to either my Ten Tec Argonaut V or my ICOM rig with 
one cable for the ICOM, and an 1/8 stereo to 1/4 stereo female jack 
for the Argo, and then it coincidentally works with a straight key with 
the Argo without any wiring changes:)

73,

Rick, KV9U

bruce mallon wrote:
 Rick ...

 99% of us took the code and don't use it. BUT that
 said nothing wrong with thoes who are GOOD at and
 enjoy the mode  I myself love lissing to the guys
 zipping along at 12-20 wpm even if i can only copy a
 few letters in a row  It's a neet mode and VERY
 good when you have to pull things out of the noise
  Sometimes people just think old is not any good
 ... and to many CW is a old useless mode .

 Bruce
 On 6 since 66

 Your comment 
 Like most things, there are always some extreme
 examples that you could point to, but 99% of us are
 not going to be doing QRQ CW. It took tremendous work
 for me to even pass the 20 wpm CW test at the FCC
 years ago. And not many hams today even know Morse
 code at any speed, much less at QRQ speeds.

 

 

RE: [digitalradio] FSK versus AFSK in BARTG ??????

[Radiotronic Gizmo]

The pk232 connection to the FSK port on the TS870s  ‘out of the box’  runs
the tones inverted too.  You have to either re-invert them with a radio menu
selection or flip em on the pk232 side with “TXREV ON” 

 

 

 

From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Robert Chudek - K0RC
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 11:51 PM
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [digitalradio] FSK versus AFSK in BARTG ??

 

Andy,

 

There should be no detectable difference between an AFSK and FSK signal on
the receiving end. Are you sure your tones were correct on FSK? The symptom
you describe sounds like you may have been transmitting reversed tones.
There is a menu setting to flip the polarity of the FSK keying in the
Kenwood. Give this a try. I have heard several stations that were upside
down during this contest.

 

73 de Bob - KØRC in MN

 

 

- Original Message - 

From: Andrew O'Brien mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]  

To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com 

Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 10:25 PM

Subject: [digitalradio] FSK versus AFSK in BARTG ??

 

After several years of doing RTTY via AFSK, I thought I would use the
BARTG RTTY contest this weekend to practice my FSK skills with the
new radio.

I was surprised that I was not being heard so well. I know the band
is fairly poor but stations that I could hear fairly well would not
respond to me, they often called CQ CQ after I called them. My
antenna situation is not the best but I am used to being heard after a
few tries. I did work some stations but much less than I am used to,
I tried 40, 80 and 20M.

Tonight, I tried again...just trying a few east coast stations, none
were running pile-ups. Same result. many endlessly calling CQ and
apparently not hearing my 100 watts of FSK.

So, I switched to sound card AFSK and gave a call, first attempt the
station came back to me. Another station then answered me on the
second attempt. I switched back to FSK on the same band and antenna
and very few responded.

I'm new to FSK operations, is there something fundamental that I am
missing? I am making sure I am transmitting on the same freq as I am
receiving. I have made sure I have high tone selected properly. I
set FSK for 100 watts with moderate amount of ALC showing. I set AFSK
for 70 watts and NO ALC.

It may still be just band conditions but I am wondering...

-- 
Andy K3UK
Skype Me : callto://andyobrien73
www.obriensweb.com

 

RE: [digitalradio] Falling into the Vista trap

[Radiotronic Gizmo]

I am running vista on my office computer and laptop and love it.

 

I am NOT running it on this computer because it DIGI doesn’t have drivers
for their edgeport  usb/rs232 devices – which I use  to control all my
radios.  When and IF they do,

I will covert back to Vista on this computer  (or when I find a sub for
USB to RS232 for 8 ports).

 

EVERY few months I try some version of LINUX and always back it out – to
date, NO LIVE CD has come up ‘clean’ and recognized all the devices on my
computer.

 

I have dug in and tried manual loading, etc.. but in the end – give up,
through myself down on my knees and bow west to Mr Bill and thank him for a
truly universal operating system.

 

That ought to bring out the unix vs ms wars – and just to ‘qual’ my
statements – my first two computers were wirewrapped z-80 2 mhz systems,
hand written bios’s  , with 8” floppys,

My first HDD was a whopping 40meg that I had to write the bios for in 1986
--  and I refused to go to the PC (and abandon my S-100 ‘super machine –
with hacked DR Dos’ ) until

The 80286 came out.

 

I have been programming in C since 1979 when the K*R book was the only
reference (and called them for h elp).   

 

SO if I get frustrated with linux – I bet others do to and are embarrassed
or don’t care to discuss it – there are better things to spend time on than
beating linux to death to make it do something.

 

( I even ran a unix shell on the VAX 11/780 using VMS for a few years – and
gave up  1980-83).

 

Bah.

 

Rig-expert for the Olivia modes,  telpac/wl2k, sound card programming is
better time spent, for me.

 

I don’t want to start a flame war,  I respect the Unix/Linux guru’s out
there, and I do depend on them – my two sons are them.  They keep my server
going that is installed at a level 3 pop –without them it would go down and
never come up.

 

I am speaking for MY preferences  J   I get enough flaming at home.

 

 

Cheers es happy digi

 

Rick W4RP / AAR4WJ

 

 

 

From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of DuBose Walt Civ AETC CONS/LGCA
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2007 9:57 AM
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [digitalradio] Falling into the Vista trap

 

Another reason for not falling for Vista...
http://www.desktoplinux.com/articles/AT9727687530.html

So why not give Linux a try? Start with the Puppy Linux Live CD with fldigi 
and other W1HKJ programs pre-installed (http://www.w1hkj.com/Fldigi.html
download flpuppy-1.30.iso). They load the live Puppy Linux amn Fldigi and
then if you want more, perhaps load Debian or Ubuntu or Kbuntu. Also, you
might find OPenOffice more to your liking than MS Office.

If you are already using your current MS OS to work digital sound card
modes, you sholdn't have to make any changes to run Fldigi with the Flpuppy
Live CD. Just one note, there is an Icon on the Puppy desktop that is called
conncetions or network connection(s) Run that applications to configure
you network.

73 and GL in the Contest OM.

Walt/K5YFW

-Original Message-
From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com mailto:digitalradio%40yahoogroups.com 
[mailto:digitalradio@yahoogroups.com mailto:digitalradio%40yahoogroups.com
]On Behalf Of Andrew O'Brien
Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 11:57 PM
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com mailto:digitalradio%40yahoogroups.com 
Subject: [digitalradio] Falling into the Vista trap

While not radio related, I thought I would share this BBC News article...

Falling into the Vista trap
By Tim Weber
Business editor, BBC News website

Microsoft promises to wow people who are upgrading from Windows XP to
its new operating system, but with the joys of Windows Vista comes
plenty of pain.

Computers look complicated, but are easy to upgrade

I know, I know, I'm a sucker for technology.

The shiny new Vista disk was sitting on my desk, and I just couldn't
resist giving it a try.

Even though I fell for Vista's promise - more security and certainly
much more fun than tired old Windows XP - I tried not to be stupid.

I knew my four-year-old PC might have trouble coping with Vista, not
least because of its wheezing graphics card.

When I bought it, my Dell Dimension 8200 was fairly state-of-the-art
(a few stats for the experts: Pentium 4 processor running at 2GHz,
384MB of RAM, a 64MB graphics card, and a Creative SB Live audio
card).

Since then I had added memory (to 768MB), a second hard disk, extra
USB ports and a Wifi card.

A blunt message

But this was probably not enough, so I downloaded Microsoft's Vista
Upgrade Advisor.

Out with the old, in with the new computer memory

Microsoft's message was blunt but useful: Yes, my computer could
happily run Vista, but it would need a few crutches and new body
parts. Step-by-step instructions told me how to avoid problems:

Get a new graphics card with at least 128MB memory;
download new software for the Linksys Wifi network card, to sync my
PDA with Outlook and to make good use of my multimedia keyboard;
download the 

RE: [digitalradio] Falling into the Vista trap

[Radiotronic Gizmo]

You are absolutely right, and the funny thing is – back in the ‘old days’
with 64K and 2MHz processors, we did Word processing, spreadsheets, and
databases ( Wordstar, m80, dbase2) and here we are – zillion more times
processing power and graphical interfaces, etc.. and we are still primarily
doing the same thing.

 

I am not sure of the actual progress made J but I do love playing with the
technology (and it pays well too)

 

Cheers

 

 

From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Joe Ivey
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2007 7:56 PM
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Falling into the Vista trap

 

Rick,

 

Software is just like anything else. What ever the operator like and does
the job he wants is what is best for him. There are pro and cons about
everything out there. I use Windows myself and am very happy with it. I have
tried some of those live cd's and just didn't like them. They may well be
better for someone but not for me.

 

In 1990 I had a job of writing training manual for a manufacturing plant. We
started out using Word Perfect for DOS. Some time later yhe plant changed
over to windows. I also had to make the change. Then came MS word, again I
had to change. I didn't like to have to change but had no choice. I didn't
like Windows, but after a couple of months I loved it.

 

I have had my share of problems through the years with Windows also but sure
as heck don't want to got back to DOS. So I think you see where I am coming
from. Some people just do not like Linux, DOS or Windows. I say whatever the
person like then that is best for him.

 

My 2 pennies worth.

 

Joe

W4JSI

 

 

- Original Message - 

From: Radiotronic Gizmo mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]  

To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com 

Sent: Friday, March 02, 2007 9:35 AM

Subject: RE: [digitalradio] Falling into the Vista trap

 

I am running vista on my office computer and laptop and love it.

I am NOT running it on this computer because it DIGI doesn’t have drivers
for their edgeport  usb/rs232 devices – which I use  to control all my
radios.  When and IF they do,

I will covert back to Vista on this computer  (or when I find a sub for
USB to RS232 for 8 ports).

EVERY few months I try some version of LINUX and always back it out – to
date, NO LIVE CD has come up ‘clean’ and recognized all the devices on my
computer.

I have dug in and tried manual loading, etc.. but in the end – give up,
through myself down on my knees and bow west to Mr Bill and thank him for a
truly universal operating system.

That ought to bring out the unix vs ms wars – and just to ‘qual’ my
statements – my first two computers were wirewrapped z-80 2 mhz systems,
hand written bios’s  , with 8” floppys,

My first HDD was a whopping 40meg that I had to write the bios for in 1986
--  and I refused to go to the PC (and abandon my S-100 ‘super machine –
with hacked DR Dos’ ) until

The 80286 came out.

I have been programming in C since 1979 when the K*R book was the only
reference (and called them for h elp).   

SO if I get frustrated with linux – I bet others do to and are embarrassed
or don’t care to discuss it – there are better things to spend time on than
beating linux to death to make it do something.

( I even ran a unix shell on the VAX 11/780 using VMS for a few years – and
gave up  1980-83).

Bah.

Rig-expert for the Olivia modes,  telpac/wl2k, sound card programming is
better time spent, for me.

I don’t want to start a flame war,  I respect the Unix/Linux guru’s out
there, and I do depend on them – my two sons are them.  They keep my server
going that is installed at a level 3 pop –without them it would go down and
never come up.

I am speaking for MY preferences  J   I get enough flaming at home.

Cheers es happy digi

Rick W4RP / AAR4WJ

From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of DuBose Walt Civ AETC CONS/LGCA
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2007 9:57 AM
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [digitalradio] Falling into the Vista trap

Another reason for not falling for Vista...
http://www.desktoplinux.com/articles/AT9727687530.html

So why not give Linux a try? Start with the Puppy Linux Live CD with fldigi 
and other W1HKJ programs pre-installed (http://www.w1hkj.com/Fldigi.html
download flpuppy-1.30.iso). They load the live Puppy Linux amn Fldigi and
then if you want more, perhaps load Debian or Ubuntu or Kbuntu. Also, you
might find OPenOffice more to your liking than MS Office.

If you are already using your current MS OS to work digital sound card
modes, you sholdn't have to make any changes to run Fldigi with the Flpuppy
Live CD. Just one note, there is an Icon on the Puppy desktop that is called
conncetions or network connection(s) Run that applications to configure
you network.

73 and GL in the Contest OM.

Walt/K5YFW

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