Re: [digitalradio] Boot discs for emcomm/ham radio
Bob Donnell wrote: 30 years seems a stretch - since I think Linux first saw the light of the Internet in about 1992. Let's see - 30 years ago - that's just after people started pirating paper tapes of Microsoft Basic... grin In the sense that Linux is Unix, it does go back 30 years or more. There are bit's and pieces of VMS and Unix buried in Windows. Some clearly identified and settled out of court. Others copied implemented in a way that had Digital or ATT used software patents like modern companies do would be in violation. The main designers of Windows NT (which the core engine moved into consumer windows at W2K) were key VMS architects recruited from Digital. Software patents IP were not handled the same way then, and if that had occurred under current ground rules it would have required licensing or bloody lawsuits. Even pre-windows, there are bit's and pieces of IBM Digital code which were copied/implemented in MS LanManager. Again, some settled out of court, some tolerated in the name of interoperation. What we now consider MSFT networking (SMB) was really an IBM invention, and was implemented on other OS's prior to MSFT implementing in DOS and later windows. And once implemented was not licensed cleanly. This whole topic is an area that has some pretty clear history documentation. To the point that the majority of perceived MSFT innovations were actually acquisitions, licensed or outright copied from others. There have been innovations done by MSFT, just not the volume or same ones that folks typically think of. Have fun, Alan km4ba
RE: [digitalradio] Boot discs for emcomm/ham radio
30 years seems a stretch - since I think Linux first saw the light of the Internet in about 1992. Let's see - 30 years ago - that's just after people started pirating paper tapes of Microsoft Basic... grin 73, Bob, KD7NM -Original Message- From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:digitalra...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Simon (HB9DRV) Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 9:54 AM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Boot discs for emcomm/ham radio - Original Message - From: Steinar Aanesland saa...@broadpark.no Rick, I think Windoze is some sort of Lunix clone In the history of Windows there is some Linux - about 30 years ago or so. It's a long and involved story, not suited for this mailing list. Simon Brown, HB9DRV www.ham-radio-deluxe.com Announce your digital presence via our Interactive Sked Pages at http://www.obriensweb.com/sked Recommended digital mode software: Winwarbler, FLDIGI, DM780, or Multipsk Logging Software: DXKeeper or Ham Radio Deluxe. Yahoo! Groups Links
[digitalradio] Boot discs for emcomm/ham radio
I had a PC problem last night and Windows would not load. I was able to get on the Internet and active in digital modes within a few short minutes by booting a CD that contained Fldigi via Linux. This simple way of getting on the air when a HD crashes of Windows fails made me wonder if there is a Windows CD somewhere that we can boot and it also contains a browser, digital mode software, etc? The CD that Dave and Skip made available for FL-digi sure helped me. Andy K3UK
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Just keep a memory stick with a Windows installation. These are now so cheap they make a good solution for netbook-portable. Simon Brown, HB9DRV www.ham-radio-deluxe.com - Original Message - From: Andrew O'Brien k3uka...@gmail.com I had a PC problem last night and Windows would not load. I was able to get on the Internet and active in digital modes within a few short minutes by booting a CD that contained Fldigi via Linux. This simple way of getting on the air when a HD crashes of Windows fails made me wonder if there is a Windows CD somewhere that we can boot and it also contains a browser, digital mode software, etc?
Re: [digitalradio] Boot discs for emcomm/ham radio
I also would be interested as to booting windoze from a memory stick like a live cd of Linux. It takes so long for me to re install everything should I have a system wide crash. Just to get back back onto win XP pro I have to load XP home first and then all of XP Pro. With that and all the driver disks etc and whatever else you loose in the process it can take a good day at least just to get back to a blank windoze system with everything working. My Laptop which I just got (Vista) gave the option to make a recovery disk set (4 DVD's!) which took the best part of 4 - 5 hours to create. That's a lot of data even for a memory stick and I dread the day I have to use them. ---Original Message--- From: Simon \(HB9DRV\) Date: 11/06/2009 14:18:21 To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Boot discs for emcomm/ham radio Just keep a memory stick with a Windows installation. These are now so cheap they make a good solution for netbook-portable. Simon Brown, HB9DRV www.ham-radio-deluxe.com - Original Message - From: Andrew O'Brien k3uka...@gmail.com I had a PC problem last night and Windows would not load. I was able to get on the Internet and active in digital modes within a few short minutes by booting a CD that contained Fldigi via Linux. This simple way of getting on the air when a HD crashes of Windows fails made me wonder if there is a Windows CD somewhere that we can boot and it also contains a browser, digital mode software, etc? newimage.jpg
Re: [digitalradio] Boot discs for emcomm/ham radio
Products such as Image for Windows/Image for Linux will let you create an image of your disk on CD/DVD/Network Drive. If your drive crashes or just gets really trashed with a virus you can do a bare metal restore to a new drive. No reinstallation needed for Windows, Linux, or any of your applications. http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/index.htm The software is not free but it is reasonably priced. Especially when compared to sitting and feeding install disks to a PC and rebooting it many times is the option. I have relegated an old PC to being a file server for our two computers. 500GB, 750GB, and even 1 TeraByte drives are pretty cheap these days. There isn't really a good reason to not have disk images and backups of anything that's worth much of your time. Tim, N9PUZ Toby Burnett wrote: I also would be interested as to booting windoze from a memory stick like a live cd of Linux. It takes so long for me to re install everything should I have a system wide crash. Just to get back back onto win XP pro I have to load XP home first and then all of XP Pro. With that and all the driver disks etc and whatever else you loose in the process it can take a good day at least just to get back to a blank windoze system with everything working. My Laptop which I just got (Vista) gave the option to make a recovery disk set (4 DVD's!) which took the best part of 4 - 5 hours to create. That's a lot of data even for a memory stick and I dread the day I have to use them.
RE: [digitalradio] Boot discs for emcomm/ham radio
Actually, I find recovering from a crash with a bare install to be beneficial. It gets rid of all the junk that builds up over a year or so. One thing that helps is I copy all install CDs to a hard drive. (Actually they are in a version control system - Subversion - if you know what one of those is.) With them on a hard drive the install goes faster and I don't have to get everything installed all at once. I just add things back as I need them. - 73 - Rud Merriam K5RUD ARES AEC Montgomery County, TX http://TheHamNetwork.net http://thehamnetwork.net/ -Original Message- From: Toby Burnett [mailto:ruff...@hebrides.net] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 8:29 AM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Boot discs for emcomm/ham radio I also would be interested as to booting windoze from a memory stick like a live cd of Linux. It takes so long for me to re install everything should I have a system wide crash. Just to get back back onto win XP pro I have to load XP home first and then all of XP Pro. With that and all the driver disks etc and whatever else you loose in the process it can take a good day at least just to get back to a blank windoze system with everything working. My Laptop which I just got (Vista) gave the option to make a recovery disk set (4 DVD's!) which took the best part of 4 - 5 hours to create. That's a lot of data even for a memory stick and I dread the day I have to use them. ---Original Message--- From: Simon \(HB9DRV\) mailto:simon.br...@kns.ch Date: 11/06/2009 14:18:21 To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Boot discs for emcomm/ham radio Just keep a memory stick with a Windows installation. These are now so cheap they make a good solution for netbook-portable. Simon Brown, HB9DRV www.ham-radio-deluxe.com - Original Message - From: Andrew O'Brien k3uka...@gmail. mailto:k3ukandy%40gmail.com com I had a PC problem last night and Windows would not load. I was able to get on the Internet and active in digital modes within a few short minutes by booting a CD that contained Fldigi via Linux. This simple way of getting on the air when a HD crashes of Windows fails made me wonder if there is a Windows CD somewhere that we can boot and it also contains a browser, digital mode software, etc? newimage.jpg
RE: [digitalradio] Boot discs for emcomm/ham radio
Don't get me wrong, I agree that it can be quite refreshing to have a default factory system. But For example I was doing a re-install on Xmas eve last year and that was a pain. An imaging program to back up to a flash drive or external hard disk like the other chap said. Looks like the way to go. At least then you could back it up once all of your software was in, logs and radio software, bookmarks, tools, e-mail addresses etc and THEN back up. I should try something like that now as my Ahem system appears to be working fine at the moment. What size do these image programs make the image? Do they really work in the event of total system failure? It is a rather old PC here also and I think doing anything like this is going to cripple it. Sorry to high jack the thread but seems a good topic for all of us. Toby ---Original Message--- From: Rud Merriam Date: 11/06/2009 15:31:56 To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [digitalradio] Boot discs for emcomm/ham radio Actually, I find recovering from a crash with a bare install to be beneficial. It gets rid of all the junk that builds up over a year or so. One thing that helps is I copy all install CDs to a hard drive. (Actually they are in a version control system - Subversion - if you know what one of those is.) With them on a hard drive the install goes faster and I don't have to get everything installed all at once. I just add things back as I need them. - 73 - Rud Merriam K5RUD ARES AEC Montgomery County, TX http://TheHamNetwork.net -Original Message- From: Toby Burnett [mailto:ruff...@hebrides.net] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 8:29 AM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Boot discs for emcomm/ham radio I also would be interested as to booting windoze from a memory stick like a live cd of Linux. It takes so long for me to re install everything should I have a system wide crash. Just to get back back onto win XP pro I have to load XP home first and then all of XP Pro. With that and all the driver disks etc and whatever else you loose in the process it can take a good day at least just to get back to a blank windoze system with everything working. My Laptop which I just got (Vista) gave the option to make a recovery disk set (4 DVD's!) which took the best part of 4 - 5 hours to create. That's a lot of data even for a memory stick and I dread the day I have to use them. ---Original Message--- From: Simon \(HB9DRV\) Date: 11/06/2009 14:18:21 To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Boot discs for emcomm/ham radio Just keep a memory stick with a Windows installation. These are now so cheap they make a good solution for netbook-portable. Simon Brown, HB9DRV www.ham-radio-deluxe.com - Original Message - From: Andrew O'Brien k3uka...@gmail.com I had a PC problem last night and Windows would not load. I was able to get on the Internet and active in digital modes within a few short minutes by booting a CD that contained Fldigi via Linux. This simple way of getting on the air when a HD crashes of Windows fails made me wonder if there is a Windows CD somewhere that we can boot and it also contains a browser, digital mode software, etc? newimage.jpg
Re: [digitalradio] Boot discs for emcomm/ham radio
I use Linux and MS Windows XP and Vista here in the shack with a KVM switch. I have never used Windoze, but I see some hams claim they know about it. Linux can be fairly easy to reload, but that is only if it supports your equipment. For many years this was not possible for my computers/monitor until Ubuntu/Kubuntu 9.04, which I consider to be an OK OS. Maybe not as good as Vista, which has been the overall best OS that I have used over a 20+ year period, but rating on OS depends upon your requirements and what you value. Linux has some features that I favor over MS (probably more secure, much lighter and responsive on older machines, etc.). But realistically, what is most importantly for most of us is that MS OS's natively run the programs that most of us want to use and Linux can not do that as well, sometimes not at all. The one program I mainly run on the Linux computer is the PSKmail_server which can only run on Linux. If I did not use that, then it would be difficult to justify having multiple OS's since it greatly complicates things. (Other than the hobby aspect, which I feel is legitimate, even if not that practical). Since an increasing number of programs are cross platform and run well on either OS, there is less of a compelling reason to move to Linux. One exception might be the netbooks. No matter what MS claims, even with Windows 7, lightweight Linux variants will run much better on those low powered computers. If fact I have read that MS would like to characterize netbooks as low powered computers rather than netbooks because they know their OS's can not be tailored as well for that environment. I have reloaded Vista several times due to playing around with Linux and damaging the MBR (and not knowing much about fixing it, HI), and it is much easier and surprisingly fast compared with previous MS reloads. And by the way, I always reload any MS product after a BSOD. Of course, I have actually never seen a BSOD for years and years even though some claim they have this happen regularly, HI. If the seller of the PC did not include full back ups of the OS, my solution to your concern about reloading is to be sure to make a backup disk with the necessary drivers. I agree that it can be very difficult to get the right drivers, but once you do, I have found future reloads are relatively simple. Good luck with your computing. 73, Rick, KV9U Toby Burnett wrote: I also would be interested as to booting windoze from a memory stick like a live cd of Linux. It takes so long for me to re install everything should I have a system wide crash. Just to get back back onto win XP pro I have to load XP home first and then all of XP Pro. With that and all the driver disks etc and whatever else you loose in the process it can take a good day at least just to get back to a blank windoze system with everything working. My Laptop which I just got (Vista) gave the option to make a recovery disk set (4 DVD's!) which took the best part of 4 - 5 hours to create. That's a lot of data even for a memory stick and I dread the day I have to use them.
Re: [digitalradio] Boot discs for emcomm/ham radio
Toby Burnett wrote: What size do these image programs make the image? Do they really work in the event of total system failure? It is a rather old PC here also and I think doing anything like this is going to cripple it. Sorry to high jack the thread but seems a good topic for all of us. The image is compressed by default but essentially holds all of the information on the original disk drive plus some info it needs about the backup, etc. You can opt for no compression (faster) or more compression (saves space, slower) but I have only used the default compression option. Earlier this week at work I made an image of a 40GB drive that had about 30GB used. The image size on the file server is 17GB. It took around an hour to create the image. In general the disk images are good for restoring broken or infected hard drives. When you change motherboards or go to an entire new system the image you've saved is not set up to work with different motherboard chip sets, network interfaces, video, etc. I have not tried it but would be surprised if it worked. Tim, N9PUZ
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Thanks Tim, All good Info. I have a 200GB hard disk on this machine, but most of that is music and videos, also it is divided, so I guess I could make an image of the main partition. I may well give it a go. Thanks for the advise and info guys. Toby. ---Original Message--- From: Tim N9PUZ Date: 11/06/2009 16:11:13 To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Boot discs for emcomm/ham radio Toby Burnett wrote: What size do these image programs make the image? Do they really work in the event of total system failure? It is a rather old PC here also and I think doing anything like this is going to cripple it. Sorry to high jack the thread but seems a good topic for all of us. The image is compressed by default but essentially holds all of the information on the original disk drive plus some info it needs about the backup, etc. You can opt for no compression (faster) or more compression (saves space, slower) but I have only used the default compression option. Earlier this week at work I made an image of a 40GB drive that had about 30GB used. The image size on the file server is 17GB. It took around an hour to create the image. In general the disk images are good for restoring broken or infected hard drives. When you change motherboards or go to an entire new system the image you've saved is not set up to work with different motherboard chip sets, network interfaces, video, etc. I have not tried it but would be surprised if it worked. Tim, N9PUZ newimage.jpg
Re: [digitalradio] Boot discs for emcomm/ham radio
Rick, I think Windoze is some sort of Lunix clone 73 de LA5VNA Steinar Rick W wrote: I use Linux and MS Windows XP and Vista here in the shack with a KVM switch. I have never used Windoze, but I see some hams claim they know about it.
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Lol Very funny Sorry I have a friend that is a Linux fanatic and always call's MS Windows just Windoze. Then again when you see the speed of his Linux box you understand why. I have dabbled a bit in Linux over the years (on the same hard disk and had problems trying to update, lost MBR) etc etc. Main reason I don't use it all the time on this PC (my office one as the OH now uses the vista laptop) is A: I have yet to be able to set up my wireless network (I have a specialist radio broadband as I live in a remote area and I need this to work or I would have to cable through and this is just not viable) and also for the software I use for work, including MS Office, I used to use open office before this job LOL. Anyway, on a side note. I use FLdigi and have flarq for windows etc. I love FLdigi. ANother thing. What would be the chances of getting a wireless connection between the vista laptop and a Linux machine.. I can't even get file sharing to work at the moment between XP / Vista. ICS is about as far as I have got. Toby MM0TOB ---Original Message--- From: Steinar Aanesland Date: 11/06/2009 17:22:31 To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Boot discs for emcomm/ham radio Rick, I think Windoze is some sort of Lunix clone 73 de LA5VNA Steinar Rick W wrote: I use Linux and MS Windows XP and Vista here in the shack with a KVM switch. I have never used Windoze, but I see some hams claim they know about it. newimage.jpg
