Re: [digitalradio] Gray Areas of USA Ham Radio Regulations and Rules
I was trying to do some RTTY QSOs last night, on 40, and everytime I found a clear freq, started transmitting a CQ, some South American QRM on SSB came up right on top of me. Tuning around I found at least a dozen Spanish QSOs between 7.050 and 7.01. They are authorized there, and be damn if they arent going to use it, no matter how much QRM it causes others. Now, I know the rest of the world HAS to use that portion for SSB, but Region 2 does NOT. They go there for a couple of reasons: Less QRM from stateside stations above 7.1, and to keep stateside stations from calling them. They were NOT trying to DX, so any place above 7.1 would have worked (of course avoiding short wave broadcast). That was the same problem I had, constantly when I lived in Venezuela - some YL and her cronies geting right on 7.025 and chatting away, from three blocks away, blocking an important CW freq, every night. They could have gone anyplace on the band, up to 7.3Mhz, including smack dab on top of any SWBC station and not had to worry about interference - but chose not to. Danny Douglas N7DC ex WN5QMX ET2US WA5UKR ET3USA SV0WPP VS6DD N7DC/YV5 G5CTB all DX 2-6 years each . QSL LOTW-buro- direct As courtesy I upload to eQSL but if you use that - also pls upload to LOTW or hard card. moderator [EMAIL PROTECTED] moderator http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DXandTalk - Original Message - From: "Dave Ingram" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2007 2:31 AM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Gray Areas of USA Ham Radio Regulations and Rules > Danny Douglas wrote: > > I certainly have MY doubts that many hams would live the "goodie" life if > > there were no regulations. Just take a look where there ARE regulations; > > the US highways, and see how many Americans pay attention to the law. Yes, > > the majority would try to do so, but the minority, and I mean a large > > minority at that, would NOT. If everyone lived the golden rule, that is the > > only law that would be needed. > > I think one difference is that it is harder to get an amateur radio licence > than it is to get a drivers licence :-) The drivers licence is seen as a > right, so it can't be too hard. > > The comments people are making regarding the crowded bands in the US is > interesting. Tuning around 40m last night, between 7050 and 7100 there were > four conversations that I could hear. These were VK5, VK3 and VK2 loud and > clear in VK4 with a 6m squid pole antenna. > > Plenty of room for digital to squeeze in. > > I can't quite fathom the 1.5kW outputs that the US permits too. 400W here, and > that requires some skill I believe. I say this having not pushed out more the > 50W on 2m and 5W on anything else. > > Australia's restrictions on methods of operating rather than modes of > operating are frustrating though. No phone patches, IRLP only recently etc. I > enjoyed using a full duplex phone patch in ZL in the early 90s. Cellphones > were not common and it was a good way of checking in when hiking (even 150km > from the patch). > > I guess each country has its quirks. It just adds to the challenge of DX. > > > 73s, > Dave. > -- > David Ingram (VK4TDI/ZL3TDI) > Brisbane, Queensland, Australia > http://www.ingramtech.com/ > MGRS: 56J MQ 991583Grid Square: QG62lm > > > > > Announce your digital presence via our DX Cluster telnet://cluster.dynalias.org > > Our other groups: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dxlist/ > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/contesting > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wnyar > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Omnibus97 > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.15/728 - Release Date: 3/20/2007 8:07 AM > >
Re: [digitalradio] Gray Areas of USA Ham Radio Regulations and Rules
Danny Douglas wrote: > I certainly have MY doubts that many hams would live the "goodie" life if > there were no regulations. Just take a look where there ARE regulations; > the US highways, and see how many Americans pay attention to the law. Yes, > the majority would try to do so, but the minority, and I mean a large > minority at that, would NOT. If everyone lived the golden rule, that is the > only law that would be needed. I think one difference is that it is harder to get an amateur radio licence than it is to get a drivers licence :-) The drivers licence is seen as a right, so it can't be too hard. The comments people are making regarding the crowded bands in the US is interesting. Tuning around 40m last night, between 7050 and 7100 there were four conversations that I could hear. These were VK5, VK3 and VK2 loud and clear in VK4 with a 6m squid pole antenna. Plenty of room for digital to squeeze in. I can't quite fathom the 1.5kW outputs that the US permits too. 400W here, and that requires some skill I believe. I say this having not pushed out more the 50W on 2m and 5W on anything else. Australia's restrictions on methods of operating rather than modes of operating are frustrating though. No phone patches, IRLP only recently etc. I enjoyed using a full duplex phone patch in ZL in the early 90s. Cellphones were not common and it was a good way of checking in when hiking (even 150km from the patch). I guess each country has its quirks. It just adds to the challenge of DX. 73s, Dave. -- David Ingram (VK4TDI/ZL3TDI) Brisbane, Queensland, Australia http://www.ingramtech.com/ MGRS: 56J MQ 991583Grid Square: QG62lm
Re: [digitalradio] Gray Areas of USA Ham Radio Regulations and Rules
I certainly have MY doubts that many hams would live the "goodie" life if there were no regulations. Just take a look where there ARE regulations; the US highways, and see how many Americans pay attention to the law. Yes, the majority would try to do so, but the minority, and I mean a large minority at that, would NOT. If everyone lived the golden rule, that is the only law that would be needed. But we can certainly see THAT is not the case, in any aspect of life. Mandantory separation of incompatable modes, wherin one would negatively impact on others only makes good sense. If not - then you have mayhem - and dont tell me how good that works in countries that have no regulations. I have been there - done that, and there is nothing like having a squawk group talking on a CW DX freq, interfering with every contest, DX Contact, etc,. night after night. My wife, the non ham, said it exactly - "Why not just move to another freq" And my response is - that is NOT where the DX is. Even where there are sub-bands, different contries have different sets, making them useless for DX. Danny Douglas N7DC ex WN5QMX ET2US WA5UKR ET3USA SV0WPP VS6DD N7DC/YV5 G5CTB all DX 2-6 years each . QSL LOTW-buro- direct As courtesy I upload to eQSL but if you use that - also pls upload to LOTW or hard card. moderator [EMAIL PROTECTED] moderator http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DXandTalk - Original Message - From: "John Champa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 8:20 PM Subject: RE: [digitalradio] Gray Areas of USA Ham Radio Regulations and Rules > Dave, > > You have made some good points about US hams having too many regs. > We seem to have this incestuous love affair with regs, or at least seem > to think we lack the ability to perform as good operators without them. > > It has an impact on our performance and perspective, too! Please note > that most Amateur Radio digital radio software comes out of Europe and > other areas when the regs are simple: Keep it within the band edges! > > 73, > John > K8OCL > > Original Message Follows > From: Dave Ingram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com > To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [digitalradio] Gray Areas of USA Ham Radio Regulations and Rules > Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 23:06:17 +1000 > > Brad wrote: > > It is not surprising Bonnie, but it is INCREDIBLY boring. You guys have > > way too many rules, and the surprising thing is that so many hams seem > > to think that the problems can be solved by introducing yet more! > > I agree with this, and would like to suggest that when discussing something > as > specific as the USA band plan, that the subjects be tagged as such. The rest > of the world, or Zone 2, for that matter is not regulated in the same way. > We > each have our 'special' rules and regs. > > I find it strange however that the modes are regulated by the government. > I've > only operated in VK and ZL and as long as the transmission is within the > band > limits and ITU regs are respected (for things like beacons and satellite) > anything goes. Band plans have been developed as agreements on polite > operating rather than restrictive regulation. > > I believe that the posters who suggested that it was the role of amateur > radio > to push the technology and to experiment with new modes/encoding hit the > nail > on the head. Once we've had the fun testing it the commercial guys can then > go > and use it. The power of modern PCs gives DSP power to the amateur, so let's > all have some fun and play with the different options. > > > Regards, > David. > -- > David Ingram (VK4TDI) > Brisbane, Queensland, Australia > http://www.ingramtech.com/ > MGRS: 56J MQ 991583Grid Square: QG62lm > > > > > > > Announce your digital presence via our DX Cluster telnet://cluster.dynalias.org > > Our other groups: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dxlist/ > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/contesting > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wnyar > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Omnibus97 > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.14/727 - Release Date: 3/19/2007 11:49 AM > >
RE: [digitalradio] Gray Areas of USA Ham Radio Regulations and Rules
Dave, You have made some good points about US hams having too many regs. We seem to have this incestuous love affair with regs, or at least seem to think we lack the ability to perform as good operators without them. It has an impact on our performance and perspective, too! Please note that most Amateur Radio digital radio software comes out of Europe and other areas when the regs are simple: Keep it within the band edges! 73, John K8OCL Original Message Follows From: Dave Ingram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: [digitalradio] Gray Areas of USA Ham Radio Regulations and Rules Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 23:06:17 +1000 Brad wrote: > It is not surprising Bonnie, but it is INCREDIBLY boring. You guys have > way too many rules, and the surprising thing is that so many hams seem > to think that the problems can be solved by introducing yet more! I agree with this, and would like to suggest that when discussing something as specific as the USA band plan, that the subjects be tagged as such. The rest of the world, or Zone 2, for that matter is not regulated in the same way. We each have our 'special' rules and regs. I find it strange however that the modes are regulated by the government. I've only operated in VK and ZL and as long as the transmission is within the band limits and ITU regs are respected (for things like beacons and satellite) anything goes. Band plans have been developed as agreements on polite operating rather than restrictive regulation. I believe that the posters who suggested that it was the role of amateur radio to push the technology and to experiment with new modes/encoding hit the nail on the head. Once we've had the fun testing it the commercial guys can then go and use it. The power of modern PCs gives DSP power to the amateur, so let's all have some fun and play with the different options. Regards, David. -- David Ingram (VK4TDI) Brisbane, Queensland, Australia http://www.ingramtech.com/ MGRS: 56J MQ 991583Grid Square: QG62lm
[digitalradio] Gray Areas of USA Ham Radio Regulations and Rules
Brad wrote: > It is not surprising Bonnie, but it is INCREDIBLY boring. You guys have > way too many rules, and the surprising thing is that so many hams seem > to think that the problems can be solved by introducing yet more! I agree with this, and would like to suggest that when discussing something as specific as the USA band plan, that the subjects be tagged as such. The rest of the world, or Zone 2, for that matter is not regulated in the same way. We each have our 'special' rules and regs. I find it strange however that the modes are regulated by the government. I've only operated in VK and ZL and as long as the transmission is within the band limits and ITU regs are respected (for things like beacons and satellite) anything goes. Band plans have been developed as agreements on polite operating rather than restrictive regulation. I believe that the posters who suggested that it was the role of amateur radio to push the technology and to experiment with new modes/encoding hit the nail on the head. Once we've had the fun testing it the commercial guys can then go and use it. The power of modern PCs gives DSP power to the amateur, so let's all have some fun and play with the different options. Regards, David. -- David Ingram (VK4TDI) Brisbane, Queensland, Australia http://www.ingramtech.com/ MGRS: 56J MQ 991583Grid Square: QG62lm
